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Man Invents Alternative To Cooking Gas

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the human-invention-will-find-a-way dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Gazan resident Abed Ar-Rahman has revealed what he is claiming as an alternative to cooking gas that he developed since Israel has prevented deliveries of cooking gas to Gaza. He invented a device using chemical substances available in Gaza, which burn when mixed and brought into contact with oxygen. The first component is a metal filter that controls the interaction between 40% of the oxygen in the surrounding air, the inflammable substance and some other substances."

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Jews (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237637)

Now he just needs to find a way to get the land back that the jews stole from his people.

obvious answer (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237725)

He can always gas them.

Re:obvious answer (4, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238075)

Ok it's in poor taste admittedly but speaking as a jew even I found that hilarious.

Re:obvious answer (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238127)

Of course you find it hilarious, it's like a redneck american finding it hilarious when an arab is killed. If your people couldn't pull the jew card and get off scot-free for their everything misdeed they may actually have to suffer consequences for once. I doubt that will happen anytime soon, but Travis Bickle said it best, "Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets."

Land ownership (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238081)

Of course, the idea of a particular person owning a particular piece of land is a bit crazy to begin with.

Alternate heat sources (3, Interesting)

pwizard2 (920421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237643)

What about Calcium Oxide (CaO), which yields quite a bit of heat when exposed to water?

All you have to do to get CaO is burn limestone, which people have been doing since antiquity.

Re:Alternate heat sources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237697)

And we could use more CaO to burn more rock and then we could cook anything for free! ...
*BOOO*

In this house we observe the laws of thermodynamics, bro!

Re:Alternate heat sources (1)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238113)

That doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics. What happens to the rock you're burning? It's not as if you could continue forever; you're limited by the amount of fuel you have.

Re:Alternate heat sources (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237773)

LOL, how exactly do you expect them to burn limestone without a heat source?

You know, cause that's like the problem they are trying to solve... Finding a heat source and all.

Re:Alternate heat sources (1)

dmrobbin (560931) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237815)

somebody needs a table top cold fusion reactor

Re:Alternate heat sources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238133)

because then you get Calcium Hydroxide, which is not nice at all

i smell bull... (5, Insightful)

iocat (572367) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237645)

From TFA:

The first component is a metal filter that controls the interaction between 40% of the oxygen in the surrounding air, the inflammable substance and some other substances. He refused to reveal the exact substances used, fearing that they will not be allowed into the Gaza Strip.
The second part of his invention is an electronic board that regulates the percentage of air and oxygen entering into the appliance, and the third component is an air pump using electrical power.
The metal cannister could be refilled with the inflammable substance for no more than 40 NIS, which would make the home cooking device functional for up to 40 days, according to Farajallah.

This would be neat if true -- a garbage disposal sized obvject providing 40 days of cooking gas for 40 NIS, but just reading alerts every single "perpetual motion" bullshit detector in my head -- the 40% figure, the secret ingredients, etc.

Re:i smell bull... (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237785)

His circumstances are tougher than usual for the genre; but this guy absolutely screams "quack". Secret ingredients, somewhat dubious technobabble(though that could be a translation artifact), flirtation with thermodynamic implausibility...

Re:i smell bull... (1)

carlzum (832868) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238137)

From the article:

He refused to reveal the exact substances used, fearing that they will not be allowed into the Gaza Strip.

I'm not sure if he's full of it, or if his process uses substances just as objectionable to border security as cooking gas. Let's face it, Israel will figure out what the secret ingredients are, so I'm not sure what this is going solve. Maybe he's just trying to protect his invention until it's in production.

Re:i smell bull... (2, Informative)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237825)

It might be as simple as an acetylene generator and optimized burners, where the transported "fuel" is actually calcium carbide and the cooker would mix it with local water to generate the actual cooking gas. I imagine it would be very difficult to make that work in practice, but some similar clever chemistry could allow an apparently benign (and unblockaded) material to be used for fuel.

A 40-day supply does sound like a bit much, though.

Re:i smell bull... (4, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238005)

This would be neat if true --

I want to know how much oxygen is being consumed here, what toxins are being pumped out.

Carbon Monoxide comes first to mind.

I want to know what makes this unknown chemical mixture safe to use and store in the home.

I want to know about clearances, surface temperatures. I want to know how easily you can tip this thing over. The risk of accidental burns and fires.

Available in Gaza (5, Funny)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237659)

You know what they have a lot of in Gaza which will burn nice and hot? Solid state rocket fuel.

Re:Available in Gaza (1)

SlashThat (859697) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237709)

Yep... Probably the technology was originally used in Kassam missiles.

Re:Available in Gaza (1, Troll)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237903)

You know what they have a lot of in Gaza which will burn nice and hot? Solid state rocket fuel.

C'mon ... really ... think about this rationally. What's more important? Feeding your people? Or blowing up the flower-gardens of Zionist Pig-Dogs? Let's not get our priorities confused here!

Re:Available in Gaza (0, Troll)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237939)

Obviously for them it's killing Jews, launching rockets and killing their own children in that order. Followed by cooking supplies. If you look at today's news, you'd see that while attempting to launch rockets at Israel again(probably at Sderot), they managed to kill their own children.

I expect to be modded down, the sad thing is they care more for killing Jews, then they do about feeding themselves.

Re:Available in Gaza (-1, Flamebait)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237993)

You should be modded down, if there were a idiot mod. Do you seriously think rocket fuel is readily available for everyone on Gaza? That everyone on Gaza fires rockets at Israelis? Stop watching fucking Fox News and grow a brain, idiot.

Re:Available in Gaza (3, Insightful)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238043)

Do you seriously think rocket fuel is readily available for everyone on Gaza? That everyone on Gaza fires rockets at Israelis?

When 84% of Palestinians polled [nytimes.com] support the cold-blooded murder of unarmed Jewish students, you'll have to excuse me if I don't get much comfort from the fact that not all of them are launching rockets.

As for the rest of your comment, you should certainly be modded "flamebait", which means I probably should be taking the time to respond to you.

Then again, you should probably be modded "funny", since I always get a kick out of morons who run around yelling:

"LOLz U wahtc FOX NOOZ, STFU STOOPID N00B!!!11!".

It seems to be a good rule of thumb that the more loudly someone proclaims their disdain for FOX, the more likely they are to be a complete imbecile.

Re:Available in Gaza (3, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238143)

The current legitimately elected government of the Palestinian people have certain clues to their motives in their charter:

"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying." (article 32)

"The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!" (article 7)

The palestinians have made their motives towards the jews, all jews, absolutely clear ever since they got the hell out of dodge so that the muslim nations nearby (read: just about everything else over there) could push the jews into the sea.

Re:Available in Gaza (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238045)

You should be modded down, if there were a idiot mod. Do you seriously think rocket fuel is readily available for everyone on Gaza? That everyone on Gaza fires rockets at Israelis? Stop watching fucking Fox News and grow a brain, idiot.

Actually the rocket fuel IS readily available since it is a mixture of sugar and fertilizer(potassium nitrate).

Re:Available in Gaza (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238067)

parent++

Re:Available in Gaza (3, Insightful)

Duhavid (677874) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238165)

"Them". Say "some of 'them'", and you are on to something. Or do you maintain that each and every resident of Gaza all hate Israelis with all their breath? This article puts the lie to that notion, this one guy made a stove instead of a rocket.

And Israel has a blockade where aluminum and cooking gas ( from the article ) are not allowed in or in low supply. This punishes the "live and let live" types far more than the violent militant ones, *and* gives backing to any "the Israelis hate you, see what they are doing to you?" kind of rhetoric. ( Yes, that blockade is in reaction to violence from Arabs against Israelis, but A: this will lead to hatred, not a limitation to violence and B: the violence is in reaction ( as they see it ) to the occupation of their lands ).

Flamebait Summary (-1, Flamebait)

MSTCrow5429 (642744) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237663)

Israel has not "prevented deliveries of cooking gas to Gaza." If you look at a map of the Gaza Strip, you will see its entire length is bordered by the Mediterranean Sea. Shipments can and do enter the Gaza Strip from this route.

Re:Flamebait Summary (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237695)

Flamebait for sure.

The entire coastline of Gaza is barricaded by Israel, and has been so for a very long time. Not only that, but anything coming into or going out of Gaza, whether by land or sea, is controlled by Israel. (The only exception to this would be things smuggled back and forth via tunnels, etc., between Gaza and Egypt.

Re:Flamebait Summary (3, Informative)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237717)

Just because you border the sea, doesn't mean FedEx delivers. Be serious.

It's widely known Palestine is considered slightly more than a 4th world nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza [wikipedia.org] (just look for the words "import materials")

While I suffer some shame at resorting to wikipedia, no other sources are given as much credit, on /., to being impartial and correct. Neither of which, wikipedia, deserves. If you could point out somewhere this is contradicted, I would be very interested.

Re:Flamebait Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237943)

What the fuck is a fourth world nation? The First World refers to America and it's Cold War allies. The Second World refers to the Soviet Union and its allies. The Third World refers to everyone else.

Re:Flamebait Summary (-1, Troll)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237985)

A fourth world nation is a polity that isn't even a proper nation. It's like those tribes living out in the South American jungles who barely even recognize that the rest of the world exists, or in this case the Palestinian fuckheads who don't realize that they associated themselves with a band of cutthroats and murderers who turned out to be the losing side and now whine about it and attempt to kill as many innocents as possible, as if this will somehow improve their situation.

Re:Flamebait Summary (2, Insightful)

jd.schmidt (919212) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237727)

Hmmm... I am 100% certain that deliveries by sea are restricted by Isreal also. Come to think if it, I am 100% certain Isreal security forces can even prevent fishermen from going out.

I am sure that some shipments are allowed into Gaza, but I am also sure that the difficulty of doing so (both in and out, they have to sell stuff to buy stuff you know) is causing shortages.

Re:Flamebait Summary (1)

jd.schmidt (919212) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237745)

And sorry for the dyslexia.

Re:Flamebait Summary (1, Flamebait)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237895)

Hmmm... I am 100% certain that deliveries by sea are restricted by Isreal also.

Well, maybe if they'd stop launching rockets into Israel [xinhuanet.com] and join the civilized nations of the World they'd be able to trade with the rest of the World.

Re:Flamebait Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237923)

You don't think maybe the launching of rockets has a little something to do with the fact that Israel has displaced its former inhabitants, or the fact that there's absolutely no justification for its having been established at that particular location in the first place?

Re:Flamebait Summary (0, Troll)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237963)

or the fact that there's absolutely no justification for its having been established at that particular location in the first place?

Take it up with the UN. The UN created Israel as I recall. The Arabs have done their worst and she's still around. Don't blame me if you can't win on the battlefield.

Re:Flamebait Summary (1)

mi (197448) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238009)

Take it up with the UN. The UN created Israel as I recall.

Does not stop Israel-bashers from demanding, that: "Israel respect UN-resolutions". That the country's enemies refuse to accept this very first resolution on the subject is rarely noticed.

Re:Flamebait Summary (1)

TheMiddleRoad (1153113) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238161)

Brilliant! Never heard that one.

Re:Flamebait Summary (1)

sleigher (961421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238035)

I can only think of the phrase "you brought a knife to a gun fight" after reading your post.

Re:Flamebait Summary (4, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237731)

Israel regularly blockades Gaza ports, so the statement is true...

(IsraelNN.com) The Israeli Navy Monday morning blocked a Libyan ship trying to challenge Israeli sovereignty over Gaza coastal waters by landing at Gaza with 3,000 tons of food and medicine. The Foreign Ministry confirmed that it stopped the ship around dawn and that no force was necessary. "The Navy warned the ship that it was approaching prohibited waters and it decided to turn back," Foreign Ministry spokesman Yossi Levi said.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128625 [israelnationalnews.com]

In late August, two boats arrived in Gaza despite Israeli threats to stop them. Israeli Foreign Ministry officials said at the time that there had been a last-minute decision to let the boats through to avoid a public relations debacle at sea, and not to play into the hands of people they described as provocateurs. This time, too, Israeli officials had stated that the boat would not be allowed to reach Gaza, and that the Free Gaza trips would not become routine. Yet the boat was allowed to proceed without hindrance once again. "It was decided at the highest levels to allow them to enter," said Yigal Palmor, an Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, without further explanation.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/29/mideast/mideast.php [iht.com]

Dignity, a small boat carrying activists, was allowed to sail into Gaza on Tuesday, less than a week after the navy stopped a Libyan cargo ship from entering the Palestinian port and after police prevented a group of Israeli Arabs from embarking for the Strip from Jaffa. Palestinian fishermen welcome... Palestinian fishermen welcome a boat carrying members of a previous activist ship, upon its arrival at Gaza port earlier this month. The boat left Cyprus on Monday night, and was organized by the Free Gaza Movement, which has successfully sailed three ships into the Strip in recent months.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1228728125788 [jpost.com]

If Israel doesn't want you moving goods into Gaza, you are going to find it very difficult to do so...

Yes it has (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237733)

"Palestinian witnesses said Thursday that Israeli aircraft had dropped leaflets on southern Gaza Strip, warning to destroy underground smuggling tunnels that extend out to Egypt. ...

Israel imposed a blockade on the Gaza Strip in June 2007 after Islamic Hamas movement seized control of the territory. ...

The tunnels are used to smuggle a long list of products, starting from fuel and cooking gas to mobile phones."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-12/25/content_10559193.htm [xinhuanet.com]

Re:Yes it has (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237885)

In other news, man invents leaflet-burning stove.

Remember kids! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237665)

--interaction between 40% of the oxygen in the surrounding air, the inflammable substance and some other substances."

Inflammable means flammable!

Oppression (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237667)

If the palestinians weren't being oppressed brutally with Nazi-like tactics, this article would not exist. Israel commits human rights crimes on a daily basis that get covered up by a zionist-friendly media.

Re:Oppression (2, Insightful)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237701)

Just make sure not to mention the daily rocket and mortar attacks that Hamas perpetrates on the Israelis on a daily basis, or else people might not take you seriously.

Re:Oppression (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237723)

Which came first?

Re:Oppression (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237789)

Who's on first?

Re:Oppression (2)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238085)

The egyptians, jordanians and syrians who assured the palestinians that they would kick israels ass, and then failed miserably to do so.

Re:Oppression (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237811)

If you're going to starve them to death through blockades in retaliation for rocket attacks, why don't you just go in and militarily wipe the territory clean. It would be faster and you'd more evenly hurt the civilians and the militants, rather than mostly the civilians as they're doing now.

Re:Oppression (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238093)

Because then the UN would whine about it. Nt to mention that the US would cut off aid. Really it's more the latter that's kept them from doing anything than the former.

Re:Oppression (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238117)

Wow, a story about an inventor who has come up with a solution to cooking food without cooking gas. Yet you claim that they are being starved to death? What a waste of time and effort! If only those people could get their priorities right - murder Jews or cook nonexistent food, hmmmm. As to your military question I'm going to go with it's because the Israelis are not nazis. Or, uh, muslim terrorist.

Re:Oppression (1)

Subverted (1436551) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238169)

...why don't you just go in and militarily wipe the territory clean. It would be faster and you'd more evenly hurt the civilians and the militants, rather than mostly the civilians as they're doing now.

I think the point is to put the *innocent* people in a position where they will force out the militants...Something otherwise not possible with a sort of clean sweep military operation(something that would also draw far more international complaint than the blockade). So, not only would the Israelis look bad, they would look worse than Hamas...

Re:Oppression (2, Insightful)

PixetaledPikachu (1007305) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238103)

If Israel (and US) wanted to be serious, why don't start by respecting the result of the Palestinian election, and acknowledge that hamas won it. They have tried your way, but you turn your head away.

Re:Oppression (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238119)

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

wait, wrong question.

What came first, the occupation or the resistance?

Re:Oppression (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237847)

so where are the gas chambers? Where are the ovens? Where are the concentration camps with regular deliveries of more live bodies and the extinguishing of same?

I find it appalling that supporters of the 'palestinians' play down the real genocides such as the Holocaust, or Armenian genocide, or Darfur, and like to use Nazi symbolism to paint one side in a conflict as being in the wrong. The Nazis were atrocious, and committed atrocities. As did the Turks, as are the islamists in Darfur. There is no genocide going on in or around Israel. There is no apartheid in Israel. On the other hand, Egypt, Jordan, 'palestine', Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Lybia are all judenrein [wikipedia.org] . Saudi Arabia specifically mandates on religion, and actively oppresses all others within its borders. Coptic Christians are treated as second class citizens in Egypt, where apartheid is active, and in force. Syria killed off large groups of its minorities under previous governments, as did Iraq. Yet Israel, which has never done any of this, not even close, is labeled genocidal, Nazi-like, and apartheid. Israel, where arab citizens are full citizens, in the Kenesset (government), in the army, throughout society. Israel, where arabs have more rights than in any arab country.

The conflict with the 'palestinians' is one of an unfinished war of independence. The UN let 5 arab nations invade the day after Israel was founded and recognized. Israel accepted the UN plan which the 'palestinians' rejected. The 'palestinians' could have had the 2nd arab state in mandatory palestine, Jordan being the first, in 1949 had they not rejected the partition plan. They chose war instead.

What we see today is simply a continuation of this one war that was never allowed to run to completion, with one party accepting defeat. It is well past time to allow this to occur.

Until then. Israelis' will continued to act to defend their nation and people against terror, from the people who brought terror into all our collective mindset.

Re:Oppression (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237867)

Your use of quotes around Palestinian speaks for itself.

The summary has as much information as the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237671)

This article contains no information but to me it looks just like a gas cylinder with a regulator you'd use on a BBQ.

This is inconceivable (2, Funny)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237675)

I can't imagine cooking without gas.
Heating food without gas? I just can't fathom this.

Re:This is inconceivable (1)

koutbo6 (1134545) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237677)

ever used an electric cook top?

Re:This is inconceivable (1)

JDevers (83155) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237729)

You need a tune-up on your sarcasm meter...

Re:This is inconceivable (1)

koutbo6 (1134545) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237877)

omg .. one slip and I get 3 responses in a matter of minutes :)
I don't know whether to be happy or curl up in a dark corner

Re:This is inconceivable (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237735)

Whoooosh...

Re:This is inconceivable (1)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237793)

Or you know, like a fire.

inflammable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237681)

Not flammable?

Wow, such bias (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237683)

They don't seem to have too much trouble getting weapons to use against Israel.

To mimic the obvious political bent of the summary, I guess it's too bad Israel can't invent an alternative way to live, like this guy invented an alternative to gas, since the Arabs in Gaza have prevented them from living normal lives.

I have a wild idea: stop trying to kill Israelis, and they won't impose such strict security restrictions. Oh, wait, I forgot. Killing Jews is (still) OK.

Re:Wow, such bias (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237783)

http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp [btselem.org]

Four Palestinians are killed for every dead Israeli. If this isn't systematic genocide and Gaza isn't a ghetto for Arabs then please enlighten me.

Re:Wow, such bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237919)

well, those arabs sure multiply faster than rabbits

Re:Wow, such bias (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238111)

Systematic genocide would require relatively equal distribution in death statistics. Instead the palestinian death statistics are confined almost exclusively to males age 13 and higher. Unlike the israeli statistics with show a much more normal distribution among gender and age, almost as if someone was attempting to commit genocide and just failed cause they suck at it.

Re:Wow, such bias (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238153)

Since when did genocide have such an even ratio of fatalities? Did 2.4 million Nazis die as a result of the Holocaust? (note: Holocaust, not WWII)

Re:Wow, such bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237851)

Yeah who will think of poor Israel with 75% of its military budget handed out by the US?

Oh wait, I forgot. Treating Jews as equal with everyone else is tantamount to gross anti-Semitism. They must be compensated forever because one time the world wasn't fair to some people that identified themselves by the same moniker.

Re:Wow, such bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238023)

Yeah. smuggling one or two backpack sized rockets is the same as providing a whole landscape with life necessities.

Not to mention: The Gaza strip blockade is a fact. No political leaning in mentioning that fact.

Afraid to reveal the secret ingredient? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237687)

He refused to reveal the exact substances used, fearing that they will not be allowed into the Gaza Strip.

Possibly because the "militants" are using the same thing to make rockets to fire at Israel?

Lots of "substances" (1)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237689)

I wonder what these 'substances' that are so abundant in Gaza are normally used for.

He could have used dung as well (4, Informative)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237719)

While I congratulate him for his invention, he could have used dung from the millions of sheep and camels in the region to make biogas. As a matter of fact these folks are already doing it. [youtube.com]

I hear waste from humans works too. The trouble with it being the stench and the potential for Hepatitis A spread.

man discovers stuff burns! (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237747)

what the hell is so amazing about this that it's news worthy? so something other than gas burns. big deal. "He refused to reveal the exact substances used, fearing that they will not be allowed into the Gaza Strip. " - that just screams bullshit.

Re:man discovers stuff burns! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237805)

Yup, just a few thousand years more of societal evolution and the region may be fit to join modern civilization.

Re:man discovers stuff burns! (1)

Gabest (852807) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237845)

Not just screams bullshit, it might be bullshit, that he burns.

The secret ingredient: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237755)

charcoal.

Why bother with gas? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237771)

I'm very skeptical of this (due to the complete lack of details). That said, here is what jumped out at me from the article (emphasis mine):

The second part of his invention is an electronic board that regulates the percentage of air and oxygen entering into the appliance, and the third component is an air pump using electrical power.

Why not just cook with the electricity in the first place? Either the electricity in the area is reliable enough that you could, or it's not stable in which case this device won't operate. Is the electricity just too expensive?

It's perfectly possible to cook with electricity. I do it every day. I don't have any gas appliances at my place. There is the standard electric cook top (like a hot plate, or most electric stoves), then there is induction cook tops which are supposed to be much better.

I realize cooking with electricity is not ideal (I'd prefer gas to the electric burners I have, although I might change my mind with an induction cook top), but it would work.

Besides, if this thing is real and sells, don't you think that Israel would get their hands on one stop shipments of whatever chemicals it uses, or at least slow them (if they are common enough) pushing the price way up? If a government is trying to stop you, switching off one substance to another one won't fix your problem. The government will just make the second thing hard to get.

Re:Why bother with gas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237819)

There's a slight difference in the energy needed for electronic controls and electric cooking, though. The former can easily be done on batteries or puny solar cells.

Re:Why bother with gas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237883)

There might not be the capacity to support widespread use of electric stoves. A decent sized heating element is going to use a lot more power than a fan, which sounds like what this device uses. And it would be reliant on a reliable power grid, too. A fan could be run off an old car battery, which could be recharged when power is available. A hotplate would drain a car battery in minutes.

That being said, I'm not sure how this guy's invention is that useful. If it's as complicated as it sounds like, Israel shouldn't have too much trouble restricting it at least as well as cooking gas. And there's plenty of other ways to cook without gas. People have been cooking with fire since as long as cooking has existed, although you'd still need something to burn, whether it's gas, wood, oil, coal, dried crap, etc. Solar might be a good idea, given the climate.

Re:Why bother with gas? (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237901)

Because a hot plate requires an order of magnitude or two more electrical power than the pump does?

WTF ISRAEL? (4, Interesting)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237839)

...he faced many difficulties in obtaining specific metals such as aluminum that are not allowed into Gaza

Re:WTF ISRAEL? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237865)

I guess they're worried that they'll use that aluminum and convert a shanty town into a nuke refinery.

[/sarcasm]

Re:WTF ISRAEL? (3, Insightful)

mi (197448) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237905)

I guess they're worried that they'll use that aluminum and convert a shanty town into a nuke refinery.

Or a Quassam-rocket. One of those just killed two sisters aged 12 and 5 [yahoo.com] .

Re:WTF ISRAEL? (2, Informative)

willy_me (212994) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237913)

I believe the aluminum is used for rocket fuel. Once upon a time the British learned first hand that Al burns...

Re:WTF ISRAEL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238015)

and burns, and burns, and burns...

Re:WTF ISRAEL? (2, Funny)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238089)

Once upon a time the British learned first hand that Al burns...

Please, continue.
What did Al Burns [facebook.com] do?

Re:WTF ISRAEL? (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237937)

Just a guess here, but they're probably worried about rocket production. Rockets made with aluminum tend to have a much higher range than ones made with heavier metals.

From wikipedia: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237955)

"Aluminium alloys form vital components of aircraft and rockets as a result of their high strength-to-weight ratio"

and

"Powdered aluminium is used in paint, and in pyrotechnics such as solid rocket fuels and thermite."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#Applications [wikipedia.org]

How useful is this? (3, Funny)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237869)

Unless it's appreciably easier to get aluminum than it is to get cooking gas...

He added that he spent 3,000 Jordanian dinars developing the device, and stressed that he faced many difficulties in obtaining specific metals such as aluminum that are not allowed into Gaza.

Oh, wait...

Sounds plausable... (4, Interesting)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237871)

Sounds like it might be a form of the Fischer-Tropsch [wikipedia.org] process, a catalyzed chemical reaction in which synthesis gas (syngas), a mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen, is converted into liquid hydrocarbons of various forms. You don't have to end up with liquid products. The catalysts are the things that would be the hardest to get in the Gaza area. You need electricity to run the process, but only intermediatly, to build up the product. The Germans made a lot of progress on this during WWII when their access to petro-products was cut off, yet the demand for POL was still high. The feedstock could be almost any organic material that can be volatilized, not necessiarily syngas, but the catalysts needed and the temperatures/pressures are a booger to work out.

About flamebait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237891)

Never has the "flamebait" label seemed more appropriate....

But can you make rockets from it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237977)

To make this really take off (pun?) you need to find a way to continue killing innocent Jews. Then they would embrace it fully.

New fuel, but no metal to build it?? (1)

dos4who (564592) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238017)

FTA "he faced many difficulties in obtaining specific metals such as aluminum that are not allowed into Gaza."

So... he has an alternate fuel source, and a new invention to cook with, but no means to mass-produce the new invention because you can't import aluminum into Gaza??? Where's the breakthrough?

Man *Is* Alternative to Cooking Gas (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238025)

The day after a Christmas dinner, most guys are producers of lots and lots of bio-gas.

Or you could take a man or two, put them in a vacuum-sealed vessel, and boil off the hydrocarbons. Sort of like a "reverse gas chamber". If you don't want to be inhuman, use politicians - even PETA won't complain ...

air is 20.9% oxygen not 40% (2, Interesting)

cpinetree (1137549) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238047)

unless I am reading this wrong the air in gaza would be great for a nitrox dive to 99 feet for 50 minutes.

News flash! (1)

jawboot (1001542) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238097)

Man in Gaza smuggles cooking gas for lucrative "Secret Herbs and Spices" invention.

Yes it's a wonderful bomb... oh... I mean... stove (-1, Flamebait)

DrBuzzo (913503) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238147)

Yes yes, this chemical produces enough heat to cook many dirty infidel jews.... uh... I mean... uh... cook many hot meals... We hope that this bomb... uh... stove will even be exported to destroy America... oh... did I say? No, I mean to be sold in America. Yes, I gave one to my son to strap to his back... uh.. in case he wants to cook some food.

Yes yes... praise our religion of peace!



Oh I know I know... I'm so ignorant to think a Muslim would ever want to blow something up. Right.. Iran wants peaceful nuclear energy and those guys who were taking pilot lessons just wanted to learn to fly airplanes for fun. Sure...
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