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Breaking Down the Dropping Parts Cost for Sony's PS3

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the wait-until-it's-all-one-chip dept.

PlayStation (Games) 302

will_die writes "The people at iSuppli have taken apart an October 2008 version of the PlayStation 3 to create a bill of materials, along with providing a comparison to original PS3. The article provides information about the changes Sony has made. One of the big ones was that the hardware has gone from costing $690.23 to the current price of $448.73. This was done using a combination of removing parts (currently 2,820 vs. the original 4,048), cutting the cost of the CPU ($46.46 vs. $64.40), and cutting the cost of the graphics processor to $58.01 from $83.17."

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asdf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26270451)

frist psot!

Re:asdf (4, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270525)

cutting the cost of the CPU ($46.46 vs. $64.40), and cutting the cost of the graphic processor to $46.46 from $64.40.

Whoa, so the Cell processor IS the graphics processor? Yo dawg, I heard you like to compute so I put a processor in your processor!

Re:asdf (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271009)

The cell can be used for a variety of graphics purposes.

One common use is transforming a skeleton and associated vertex attributes.

It's good at doing anything where there's a streaming data, i.e. like the aforementioned vertex attributes as skeleton influences weights.

Re:asdf (4, Interesting)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271629)

It's good at doing anything where there's a streaming data

When we discussed the Cell processor in my super computing class, the verdict was it required streaming data to be fully utilized since each of the SPUs each had too little cache.

Perhaps it would have been wiser to instead only have 3 SPUs (+1 PPU) with a little more power and caching each instead of the 7 SPUs. As it stands, it is a problem that is stumping many PhDs.

Re:asdf (1, Funny)

JickL (1398643) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271635)

*woooosh*

lame (0)

Bobtree (105901) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270495)

The game console business models are very well understood. How is this news?

Re:lame (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26270709)

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Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer. Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.' As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly. And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com]! Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.cx] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org]. To quote from the article linked: 'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?' Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too? We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.cx] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.cx] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda. Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them. In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.cx] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do. Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.cx] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.cx] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.cx] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm. And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece. The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically. The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no /opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life. More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man. Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags! Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.cx] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.cx] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] [eff.org] [eff.org]. The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.cx] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com]. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache! The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.cx] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named. And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting. To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.' FEEDBACK What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet. You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.cx] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years! you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org], Slashdot Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org]. ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com]. Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org], Slashdot Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever! dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org]. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation. Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stilproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher. And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org], Slashdot Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.' One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.cx] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.cx] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.' And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know? Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org], Slashdot Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.cx] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years. That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here. However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.) In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations. Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org]. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'??? If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom! It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment. As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe. I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com]. Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot What the fuck? I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot Well bugger me! ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot Fuck right off! IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org], which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com]. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com], but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy. Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.cx] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about. Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Re:lame (5, Funny)

not already in use (972294) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271887)

Let's all take a moment to apologize to Bobtree for his wasted time clicking on this news story.

Sorry Bobtree.

Sony needs to... (5, Insightful)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270503)

It still precludes them from selling at $299, which is where marketing data is suggesting they need to go to compete against Xbox.

PS3 is being outsold by a good margin month to month, which means market share is dwindling (although objectively there are more PS3s in the world, which makes the equation for game developers shift) - and they seem to be losing developer mind share, as evidenced by the fact that there are few games that are PS3 exclusive. Most importantly and shockingly, Microsoft is getting Japanese game developers to come over to Xbox, where that model simply didn't exist in the PS2 days.

Sony needs about 4-5 more Metal Gear Solid like titles, and they really need to work out the bugs with online play. I don't use my PS3 online, but from what I am to understand, it's not even close to Xbox live.

Re:Sony needs to... (5, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270675)

They still need to make money.
If you sell at a loss you don't make it up in volume, you just create a larger loss. I am not sure why people in slashdot never think of this concept that a for profit company kinda needs to make profit. Selling at a loss doesn't create profit. Sony is better off trying to prove that the Play Station is worth the cost, vs. selling at a loss. Even if they don't make #1 seller for the PS 3 they will make money from their units sold. And perhaps the PS 4 can get back.

Re:Sony needs to... (3, Insightful)

repvik (96666) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270769)

They can still make money by selling the console at a loss. They just need to sell enough PS3s to create a large enough market for games.

Re:Sony needs to... (3, Insightful)

tilandal (1004811) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271055)

It is a myth that you can sell consoles for a large loss and make up for that in games. No console has ever had an attach rate high enough to take a $150 loss on each unit and still make money. This is not even factoring in shipping, support, development and operating expenses.

Re:Sony needs to... (4, Insightful)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271361)

That is slightly modified for Sony and the PS3 as it pretty much won them the format war for HD video.

I don't know how you'd begin to calculate what that is/will be "worth" to them. Plus there are additional revenue streams these days (ie online purchases) that don't effect attach rate but could bring a lot of profit.

That said I think the Nintendo model makes a lot more sense.

Re:Sony needs to... (3, Insightful)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271443)

Consoles are a tricky thing. If they sold every PS3 at a decent profit margin then very few would sell and that in turn would lead to less games being developed. My guess is that they have a curve of cost vs. sales price. Originally they sell them at a loss to get them out there with the understanding that over time their input costs will drop and they'll eventually be on the positive side of the curve. Look at the PS2. They sell for $100 now I think. I'd be curious to see how much one of those actually costs to make now. At this point their profit margin on a single PS2 is probably pretty high.

Re:Sony needs to... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271183)

Well lets assume that that Sony will get $10 per game. That means you will need 12 games per unit on the average. At $50+ per game most people will not get that many games on average. That is why the tech bubble popped in the 90s, All you tech guys never realize how much everything costs to make a profit. There are a slew of tiny costs that add up. Selling at a loss in hopes of raising demand is risky and more often then not fails.

Re:Sony needs to... (1)

Hooya (518216) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271255)

> All you tech guys never realize...

Tell that to Bill Gates. He's selling the XBox you know. You non-tech-guys might have a thing or two to teach that tech guy.

Re:Sony needs to... (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271089)

Which is why they are now trying to make the PS3 into the "everything machine".

Re:Sony needs to... (1)

x_MeRLiN_x (935994) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270695)

although objectively there are more PS3s in the world

Objectively? Are the numbers from VG Chartz [vgchartz.com] skewed?

Re:Sony needs to... (5, Interesting)

F-3582 (996772) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270809)

No. GPLDAN just used the word the wrong way. What he really meant was that while the absolute number of PS3s sold to customers are going up - more people buying than returning - the relative numbers (=market share) goes down, because the competitors keep outselling it.

What I'd like to know is the real install base of the three consoles. You know, not every Xbox360 sold is actually going to a new customer due to a so-called RROD phenomenon. Is there any good data to clear that up?

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271449)

You know, not every Xbox360 sold is actually going to a new customer due to a so-called RROD phenomenon.

Actually, since MS increased the warranty period to 3 years for RROD specific failures, I doubt many new sales are going to replace failed units.

Re:Sony needs to... (1)

haystor (102186) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270983)

He's saying there is a greater number of PS3's than before. This means a larger market for PS3 developers (larger than last years PS3 market).

He's not saying there are more PS3's than the other consoles.

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270715)

My housemates play the MGS games and I doubt you need 4-5 games that are mostly comprised of long drawn out cut scenes and a non intelligent AI system.

Re:Sony needs to... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26270811)

actually, your housemates are busy 69ing each other.

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271063)

The trolls are out in full-force today, it would seem!

Slow Down Cowboy!

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Re:Sony needs to... (2, Interesting)

Paul Pierce (739303) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270747)

4-5 more Metal Gear Solid like titles is a lot to ask, but I see your point.

I think the online part is more doable and more important for PS3 to compete. The 360 was better online to begin with, but since the update the PS3 is even further behind now.

It will be interesting to see if the games for PS3 start to really use that extra processing power. I feel that back in the sega nintendo days the first game was usually horrible compared to what developers were able to do after the system had been around a while. Do the new console wars prevent games from getting even close to that peak anymore? and will the PS3 be that next step? or will that take too long and the new Xbox III have better timing?

Re:Sony needs to... (2)

hardburn (141468) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271329)

I'd kill just to see better indy development for the PS3. All the best ones are going to the 360.

Lackluster online play for the PS3 is made up for by the fact that it appeals less to the teenage crowd who love the scream obscenities over the microphone because mom isn't listening at the moment. Not that the PS3 is completely devoid of teen angst, just has less of it.

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26270773)

Online play is fine, have you ever used live? I guess not. The PS3 has plenty of decent titles, lack of games isn't an issue. Being hugely more expensive than the alternatives is killing Sony's sales.

But let's not forget the market is expanding hugely thanks to the shovelware on the Wii. Microsoft is throwing vast sums of money at the Jap developers, who are businesses, not Sony fanboys. It's their duty as a company to make money. The PS3 isn't going to be a monster success like the PS2, but then, even the Wii will probably fall short unless it gets real games. Ours, like everyone we know who has had one over three months, gathers dust. The PS3 and 360 are similar in processing terms and game options, neither offers anything special these days, games this month are hardly better than they were a year ago technically. That's sad. Our 360 cost $400, that's the going rate for the PS3, which we paid somewhat more for. Same old same on them both, except the PS3 makes for a damn fine blu-ray player.

Re:Sony needs to... (5, Insightful)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271549)

even the Wii will probably fall short unless it gets real games.

People keep saying this while the Wiis market share keeps growing. I know 3 families that got Wiis for Christmas. All of these families were in the anti-video game crowd. Everyone one of them seems to enjoy their Wii. One friend of mine was excited about it because his wife goes..."it's great we can download the old nintendo games, because new games are too complicated to play."

I have played games since I was a kid and it's easy to miss just how appealing the Wii and its lack of 'real games' is to an apparently large majority of people.

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271689)

Yeah, I don't get that. I suppose games that don't have photo-realistic graphics and six hours worth of FMVs are "fake games"? I don't know what qualifies as a real game here, but the Wii certainly has a hell of a lot of fun games, real or no.

Re:Sony needs to... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271601)

[...] even the Wii will probably fall short unless it gets real games.

You clearly understand the Wii market... not.

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26270905)

The only thing I'll add is that as long as they're selling ps3s, then everything is ok. A person that buys a ps3 should be able to buy enough games/bluray movies in order for sony to recoup their losses on a ps3 sale. I think Sony is doing fine this generation. They'll still come out with an overall profit. It's just too bad that their console is waaaay too expensive.

And to be additionally fair, if you're serious about getting a ps3, you can get it for as cheap as $170 (+tax?)if you're willing to take out another credit card (and if you're in the US, are over 18, etc).

Re:Sony needs to... (1, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271061)

Actually I just bought a brand new PS3 from Sony for $250. Sign up for a Sony Rewards card, and you get a new 80 gig PS3 for $250.

Mind you, Microsoft is losing tons of money with RRODs, and I'm not sure they can really afford to sell a 360 for $200, but they're doing it for market share.

My Wii is gathering dust, but Nintendo sells cheap hardware for a profit, and people can't get enough. Maybe they're the ones doing it right.

Re:Sony needs to... (5, Informative)

Sleepy (4551) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271471)

>Actually I just bought a brand new PS3 from Sony for $250.

I did the same exact thing last year for $299, got the 40GB model. I bought the PS3 mainly for the BluRay player.

I did not WANT a credit card out of the deal (even if it is a Chase card), but I read the fine print:
  $100 off a PS3,
    NO INTEREST 12 months..
    AND no yearly card fee?

I paid off the PS3 early at 10 months, the card is blank, and soon to be canceled. I told others, but no one believed the terms and I know 3 people who paid full price anyways. Wacky..

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271099)

Ummm RTFA before posting...

The PS3 accounted for 16.4 percent of global video game unit shipments in the second quarter of 2008, second only to the Nintendo Wii, which accounted for 54.2 percent of the market.

Yup, PS3 is being outsold by Nintendo... *not* M$'s XBox as you are implying.

Re:Sony needs to... (3, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271199)

Actually, if you read the actual SALES numbers (not the "shipped" numbers Sony likes to obfuscate with), you'll see that Sony is in third place in both month-to-month sales and in overall market share.

Re:Sony needs to... (1, Troll)

anjin-san 3 (983912) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271215)

It's those Metal Gear Solid-like titles that got Sony into the trouble they're in; the insane overhead of developing them is taking its toll on the industry. See: Free Radical, Factor 5, etc...
What's more, these titles appeal to people who likely have already bought a PS3. If Sony wants to compete they need a Wii Sports, not another Metal Gear Solid.

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271315)

Well, speaking of getting outsold: GTA 4 had more sales on the ps3 than the xbox [gamespot.com] despite the larger number of xbox machines. What's really interesting in this picture is that the next gta4 addon will be xbox exclusive.
Dare I say foulplay?

Re:Sony needs to... (1)

Lulfas (1140109) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271753)

Same thing with the EA numbers. All their sports games sold better on the PS3 than the 360. It seems backwards.

Re:Sony needs to... (3, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271435)

It has very little to with price, it has to do with games. One thing that MS is good at is making it easy for developers to create software. Combined with the reality that most developers are familiar with MS dog food, and one does have a situation where MS can get games out. People buy consoles to play games on, not to have a pretty box in their home.

The WSJ has the same take on the PS3. It is doomed. I am not so sure. Sony always plays to the big picture, is always, as the say in politics, on script. Sony has a lot of different interest, but what is interesting is that all these interests seem to play together, none of them go off script just because it might mean more profit in the unit. For instance, the MP3 players did not sweep the market due to the fact that Sony wanted to protect it's content interests and push the memory card standard. Some might call that a mistake, others might have said it would have been a mistake to stab other divisions in the back by doing otherwise.

So what has happened here. MS built a game console with very good games that they could sell relatively cheaply. Now, dollar for dollar it does not do so well as the WII, which it competes at the entry price level, is still selling more that the XBox. Wii sales doubled, Xbox relatively flat. To be clear, Wii sold twice as many units as XBox, and given street prices, many paid more for the Wii. OTOH, XBox games seems to be selling more. To make it cheap it did not include a big HD or a dvd drive. In effect, MS gave up the living room to save game console. But is likely not to even have the lions share of the game console market.

Sony used an integrated strategy. The built a more expensive console, but made it a complete unit, with blu ray. I think that many would agree that the blu ray decision was a factor in blu ray winning the format wars, and that this has long term strategic significance to Sony, most specifically in keeping the living room away from MS, who bet on HD DVD.

So Xbox likely has fewer consoles out there than Wii. Both are primed for streaming media, and not all XBox 360 are capable of playing stored movies, or at least not a lot of them. The PS3 is half in number, but each one is ready to play a new, expensive, and sometimes Sony generated blu ray disc. I think MS continues on it's way to win the battle but lose the war.

Re:Sony needs to... (4, Interesting)

Sleepy (4551) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271749)

>I think that many would agree that the blu ray decision was a factor in blu ray winning the format wars, and that this has long term strategic significance to Sony, most specifically in keeping the living room away from MS, who bet on HD DVD.

As far as Microsoft's bet... Microsoft didn't bet anything_ on HD-DVD:
1) They just offered an add-on player and let their fanboys bet THEIR money on HD-DVD.
2) They threw a hundred mil or so at Toshiba. Toshiba lost a LOT of standing with consumers.

Toshiba's reputation sucks now... ask folks who bought last year's Walmart Toshiba HD-DVD players and all the movies they could. Funny how this debacle does not touch Microsoft any.

I don't think Microsoft wanted either format to gain critical mass - wide and early adoption is a threat to Microsoft's goal of 'services', including pay per view and digital downloads. Microsoft set HD video back by a year, that's all they got and that's all they wanted.

Re:Sony needs to... (1)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271935)

Yup, that's what I like about Sony and Nintendo, their products have been extremely strategic, where Microsoft has seemed rather clumsy and as an after thought. In fact, I've questioned many times whether the 360 would have ever made it to market if Microsoft huge coffers weren't behind it.

Re:Sony needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271917)

You do know that you can apply for a Sony Card or Playstation card and you get a $150 credit making the PS3 $249?

Cool (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26270513)

This is about as interesting as the droning on about the taxation of trade routes to outlaying star systems.

GPU down from $83.17 to $58.01 (5, Informative)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270553)

Because the summary probably won't be fixed.

Re:GPU down from $83.17 to $58.01 (-1)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271073)

Mod parent overrated since it has been fixed.

Sadly, there is no mod for correct/incorrect information.

Re:GPU down from $83.17 to $58.01 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271379)

But it wasn't fixed AT THE TIME HE POSTED IT, you arsefucking just-signed-up-this-morning-because-your-favorite-pedo-porn-site-was-down cuntwit.

Summary gets GPU prices wrong (2, Informative)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270571)

A new version of Nvidia Corp.'s Reality Synthesizer serves as the graphic processing unit for the game console. The revised version of the part is priced at $58.01, down 30.3 percent from $83.17 previously.

The summary has used the CPU prices as both. Seriously, even if you the submitter made an honest mistake writing it down, surely the editor should've noticed that both figures being the same was suspicious and double-checked? Is it really too much to ask for the slightest bit of editing?

Re:Summary gets GPU prices wrong (1)

raventh1 (581261) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270661)

I emailed the editor citing that issue. Hopefully, someone is awake?

Re:Summary gets GPU prices wrong (1)

raventh1 (581261) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270697)

Yay, Fixed!

Re:Summary gets GPU prices wrong (1)

edittard (805475) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271429)

surely the editor should've noticed

Even with the magic of web 2.0, that would still require him to read it. Massive fail, n00bster.

Exchange Rates? (3, Informative)

lekker biltong (1117517) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270583)

The article does not mention anything about exchange rates - since the PlayStation is not manufactured in the US and the article mention all amounts in dollars [the Yen strengthened considerably against the Dollar the last year or so] - I would take the amounts with a pinch of salt.

The other possibility of course is that they converted everything from Yen into Dollars - but did not mentioned it.

Re:Exchange Rates? (2, Interesting)

canix (1176421) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271013)

The semiconductor industry is in dollars so the foundry price of the chips will be in dollars.

Re:Exchange Rates? (2, Insightful)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271603)

A stronger Yen means they're making LESS Yen by selling at the same price USD.

If only Microsoft hadn't cut corners (5, Interesting)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270607)

They wouldn't have had to spend over $1B on repairs and extend the warranty an extra 3 years for the XBox 360. Chances are, the 360 would be cutting a small profit by now. The moral of the story if the successor to the XBox 360 is to trounce Sony, is that they need to not cut corners if they want to exploit Sony's weakness. They'd better learn that because the PS3 is a very, very powerful system and when it hits $300 will be in the range that a lot of gamers will be willing to pay.

Re:If only Microsoft hadn't cut corners (1)

Richthofen80 (412488) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271077)

Do you have evidence that the flaws that caused large numbers (I've heard estimates that its 1/3rd of all consoles that have had to be RMA'd) of xbox to go bad are due to corners cut? MS has been mum about what specifically causes the 360's to fail. Couldn't it just be that MS ordered a part from a factory/supplier and a flaw in the production process, or a flaw in design of the item, caused failures that weren't apparent in short term testing?

Re:If only Microsoft hadn't cut corners (1, Interesting)

Amouth (879122) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271433)

i have seen several 360's die each had the same issue which with hunting turned out to be a failure in the soder joints on the GPU due to excessive heat or some failure at that manufacturing point or maybe nV's fault (didn't they have a big back lash about GPU failures in laptops?) or it could have been alittle of all of the above.

over all the 360 is a great consol.. but also the only consumer electronic device that i would recomend buying and extended warrenty for (well recommend before MS extended the warrenty)

who knows.. i still refuse to pay that much for a consol.. the 360 or ps3.. the wii is nice.. but until the US version will let me play DVD movies like they said they where going to do (the Jap version does) then i can justify it.

Re:If only Microsoft hadn't cut corners (4, Informative)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271465)

Here's an article [venturebeat.com] from earlier this year that explains a lot of the problems. The article interviews a tester who worked at Microsoft and had some good first hand knowledge of what went wrong.

Hope that helps.

Re:If only Microsoft hadn't cut corners (2, Interesting)

chaim79 (898507) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271557)

After looking into this a bit, it seems MS was in a rush to get the console out a year before the PS3, they also made several last-minute decisions (mainly the HD) that got in the way of the cooling (which is what is causing the RROD), also when an engineer found the DVD Scratching issue they decided not to do anything (vs two fixes that would cost them $$)

Both issues have come back to haunt them, the cooling issue still causes RROD on even newer models, and the DVD Scratching issue as well is still around on the newer models.

In short, MS was in to big of a rush to fix the problems so they passed them onto the consumer (why is anyone surprised?).

I for one like my PS3 and have no intention of getting a 360, there may be more games for it and more people playing but with such attitudes from the company I just don't want any part of it, I want to play games, not be waiting for it to come back from repair again.

Consistency Please! (5, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270659)

Keep all the price comparisons either from-to or all to-from. Don't mix the two because you'll confuse people (eg me). When I saw "...the hardware has gone from costing $690.23 to the current price of $448.73." it triggered me to read the last sentence as "cutting the cost of the graphic processor from $46.46 to $64.40.". I thought I was seeing some sort of Orwellian finances in effect.

Re:Consistency Please! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26270757)

Isn't anyone going to talk about the fucking article? Or is everyone going to quibble over editing issues all day?

Re:Consistency Please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271305)

The irony!

Re:Consistency Please! (1)

db10 (740174) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271631)

And the aluminy!

Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (4, Interesting)

larsoncc (461660) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270699)

I'm all for a cheaper PS3, which apparently can only happen with a bit of "wow" taken out of the box, but for a bit of history:

*The original 20 and 60 GB models of the PS3 supported full hardware backwards compatibility for the PS2 (with the notable exception of the Guitar Hero controllers). The 60GB had a lot of extras, like card slots.

*The 80GB unit without FULL backward compatibility still supports 80% of PS2 titles, and retains the memory card slots.

The way I see it, you shouldn't degrade a tech product over its life cycle, you should add features to it. Or failing that, it should get VERY cheap, and super small.

PS3 isn't doing either. I'm glad I own the 80GB model.

Re:Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (1)

cthellis (733202) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270853)

It's still trying to get cheap. And ostensibly aim for "small" at some point in its life, the way the PSOne and PS2 Slim did. It's just unfortunately the path to doing so take them through those annoying territories, like "not including as much silicon" (PS2 chips being how the launch models and the previous 80GB unit retained much of the backward compatibility) and "not having as many ports."

Perhaps the future will bring proper software compatibility to all PS2 titles (thereby bringing it to all PS3s), and enough cuts otherwise that we can see the return of USB and memory card ports (the way the PS2 Slim added some ports and capability), but for the moment the path is soggy.

Many cutomers likely waiting! (1)

neapolitan (1100101) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271137)

Excellent post -- I wonder how many potential PS3 customers are sitting on the sidelines angered by the continued inferior-ization of the device? I wanted to get a 60 GB but just missed the window before they introduced the software-based PS2 emulation models, at which point 60 GB models went *UP* in price on ebay. I delayed purchasing one, thinking subsequent revisions would have *increased* PS2 compatibility, but they have just gotten cheaper and cheaper (in quality), removing support for things like SACD, continued erosion of PS2 compatibility, and kept the price the same. For a while, a new 60 GB model would sell for near $1000 on eBay!

Ugh, come on Sony. Way to alienate your fanbase, especially the tech nerds who know and care about such details.

Re:Many cutomers likely waiting! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271273)

A refurbished PS2 is $60 at gamestop.

Re:Many cutomers likely waiting! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271493)

Ya, but a PS2 doesn't upscale the to 720p/1080p, and it's another console you have to have hooked up to the TV which also takes up more space, when you could do it could be done with one console.

It's also rather bad since even the newer PS3 models let you make a PS2 memory card, as if to give you false hope. Either way, 'just buy a ps2' isn't a clear cut choice, especially for those that didn't have a PS2 before.

Re:Many cutomers likely waiting! (1)

marked23 (693822) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271437)

Yup. I went to go buy one, in a store, credit card in hand, when I heard the news that the backwards compatability had been removed. Nevermind. Didn't buy one. Waiting 'til Sony gets the message.

Re:Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (2, Informative)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270887)

Sony has also removed SACD support from the newer models.

Not a big deal since the overlap of SACD listeners and game players is probably me. But I'm very happy to own a 60 GB model, I just hope that when (not if) it breaks Sony can repair it and I can keep my 99% compatibility and the multi-channel PCM output of my SACDs over HDMI (my old SACD player would only output SACD over the 5.1 analog jacks).

Re:Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271527)

the overlap of SACD listeners and game players is probably me.

I feel the same way about how they are treating the media player features - I could do with a little more choice in the music player eye candy, and support for Web Radio streaming, and definitely a more support for selection of photos for the slideshows (like, why can't we get everything in a selected sub-folder?!?)

PS3 is cool for what it is, but I'm thinking that something like an eeeBox is eventually going to take over the primary HDMI input on our TV. I'm not ready to spend the money on hardware yet, but if Sony's media software support doesn't continue to improve, they're definitely on the way out from my living room.

Re:Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270987)

Sony isn't the first to remove features over the console's life; Nintendo is notorious for doing this (NES 2 lost the RCA jacks, SNES 2 lost the RF port and RGB out, GameCube lost the component video out, and the DS is losing the GBA slot).

Re:Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271563)

Three of those are new products (NES 2, SNES 2, and DSi) and the fourth is a discontinued accessory. Is this new cheaper PS3 a whole new product launch or a revision (albeit big) of an existing product?

Re:Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271853)

Personally, I would classify the new PS3 revisions in the same class as the NES 2/SNES 2, as the revised products perform the same basic function (play NES/SNES/PS3 games) without adding technical capabilities. (That's where I'm willing to let the DSi slide—it's does actually add new things in its revision, unlike the changes to the other three consoles.)

As for the component out, they discontinued the accessory because they pulled the port, not the other way around. Ordering cables from their store was like pulling teeth, because they kept selling out as soon as they were in stock.

Cooler CPU is a BIG deal (1, Informative)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271333)

I have the original 60GB, and I wish I had the new 65nm cell chip - the fan in my PS3 is louder than anything else in the house, we have to crank up the volume to hear movie dialogue over it.

Now, assuming that I did plump out another $400 just to get a quieter box, how much of a pain in the a$$ would it be to transfer all of my downloaded games onto the new unit?

Re:Cooler CPU is a BIG deal (1)

eison (56778) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271645)

Make sure the front right corner of the box is clear of obstructions. Elevate it and get it outside of an enclosed cabinet if you can. When I moved my PS3 to the left side of a shelf instead of having it up against the right side of the shelf, my fan noise suddenly got bearable.

Re:Cooler CPU is a BIG deal (1)

chaim79 (898507) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271657)

Not a pain, just lots of downloading. All games and demos you download from the PSN store can be re-downloaded (go to PSN store, one of the icons in the top right is "downloads", which is a list of all the downloads you have ever done on your PS3), it's the saves you want to transfer to a memory stick to transfer to your new console. (I've been through this from the standpoint of putting a new HD in my PS3, 160gb baby!)

Re:Cooler CPU is a BIG deal (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271891)

If you're really asking, all you have to do is sign in to the new PS3 with your PSN id and then go to the store and download the games.

And since you have a 60gb PS3, you can use an SD, CF, or Memory Stick flash card to copy your save games. Or you can use a USB flash drive if you prefer.

I had to get my 60GB unit replaced and was surprised how easily the "replacement" process was after I got my new unit.

Re:Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (1)

sorak (246725) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271341)

I can see your point, but getting the price down to something more competitive is much more important.

Besides...

  • In the next year, PS2 will become less relevant than it currently is. At some point, nobody will care if it can play PS2 games.
  • They cut the hardware price by $241.50. The cost of a new PS2 is $129. The money saved could almost by two PS2s.

Re:Unfortunately, not all these changes are good! (1)

wiresquire (457486) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271647)

Not all markets have backwards compatibility. Eg, in Australia, the 80GB model doesn't. In fact there is NO PS3 model in Australia that has it at all. The old discontinued 60GB models are prized.

Australia's a small enough market that Sony just doesn't give a shit about its customers.

ws

Is it really newsworthy? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270703)

While the part about needing to be $299 to compete was interesting (but it was in a comment), is this really newsworthy? Now, if the price of the parts went down and the price of the system DIDN'T go down, that might be more worth it. But how interesting is a news flash telling us that the price of electronic components has reduced in price over the last few years? Hmmm.

On the other hand, I did find the pricing interesting, as those prices are a lot cheaper than I get for my computer. I wonder if that's because computer parts are marked up more, or because the PS3 components aren't t as powerful (what a very relative, subjective, and non-descript word... sorry) as my computer components.

Re:Is it really newsworthy? (1)

repvik (96666) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270825)

If you bought parts for your computer in the scale of millions, you'd get them a hell of a lot cheaper...

Re:Is it really newsworthy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26270841)

I did find the pricing interesting, as those prices are a lot cheaper than I get for my computer. I wonder if that's because computer parts are marked up more, or because the PS3 components aren't t as powerful (what a very relative, subjective, and non-descript word... sorry) as my computer components.

yeah that could be it - or perhaps you aren't buying in quite the same quantities as Sony.....

Re:Is it really newsworthy? (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270861)

I wonder if that's because computer parts are marked up more, or because the PS3 components aren't t as powerful (what a very relative, subjective, and non-descript word... sorry) as my computer components.

A combination most likely. If the GPUs and/or their boards are being custom made, then they might be able to leave things out that are required for computers. Also, they deal directly with the manufacturer whereas we deal with two layers in between. Finally, they purchase so many units that they surely get a bulk rate, especially since they can play the companies off of each other.

Re:Is it really newsworthy? (1)

cthellis (733202) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270869)

Newsworthy? Pretty much only hand-in-hand with price drop analysis. Although I guess financial news of any stripe is under consideration in this economy.

Sony is making money... (1)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270891)

in Europe. If a PS3 costs them $448.73 (317,48â) to make, that means they make almost 80,00â for every console sold in the EU (they sell for 399,00â). A price drop *could* be possible here in the old continent.

Re:Sony is making money... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271091)

No, because in the EU there are absurdly high taxes and fees as part of that price. For instance you are paying a substantial recycling fee at the time of purchase, and probably some kickbacks to the record labels too. Ahh, Socialism is great.

Re:Sony is making money... (1)

tilandal (1004811) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271165)

That is including VAT. If you assume 20% VAT the actual "cost" would be 320Ã.

Re:Sony is making money... (1)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271261)

You are right. So they break almost even.

Any way you slice it.... (1)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 4 years ago | (#26270943)

No matter how you look at the numbers, PS3 lost, even before it came out. I know people who gotten the PS3 just as a Blu-Ray player, simply because they were cheaper than stand-alone Blu-Ray players at the time, and they have not gotten any games for it. Of course now that stand-alone Blu-Ray players are actually cheaper than PS3s, that market share is no longer there either.

They need to drop the price point to be just slightly above the average Blu-Ray player to be competitive, I think. Which will never happen, seeing as how Sony has been taking the financial blow from the PS3 since well before it was released. To have a $200 loss on each PS3 sold would be just far too much.

Re:Any way you slice it.... (0, Troll)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271023)

Are you nuts? The person who buys a PS3 as only a Bluray player is NOT who they want to buy it, as Sony will never make back the money they lost selling the unit to them as that consumer will never buy any additional items for it outside of the PS3 DvD/Bluray controller for it. That said, I have a Ps3 and I like it a lot.

Re:Any way you slice it.... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271121)

Sony makes money off the BluRay format. So even if they sold you the PS3 for a loss as a standalone BluRay player, Sony still wins.

Re:Any way you slice it.... (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271405)

I bought it as a BluRay player, and now I have about $100 worth of download titles in it, so I guess Sony will break even on me, eventually. If they ever release Afrika for English speakers, they might even get into profit territory.

Re:Any way you slice it.... (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271337)

Keep in mind that there are different Blu-Ray formats and those newer, cheaper players don't support all Blu-Ray features like the PS3 does. I looked into it myself before I got a PS3 on craigslist to play Blu-Rays and my old PS2 games.

As an aside, I actually prefer my PS3 to my Xbox. I think the menu on the XBox sucks, it's slower at loading up the media on my home server, and I've never liked the controllers much. XBox Live is ok but I've never seen it as being super-amazing like everyone says it is. Maybe I'm spoiled by PC gaming in that respect.

Sony PS3s used to crack root CA (0)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271057)

If Sony can't make it go as a game machine, it turns out it works good as a cluster computer, esp. wrt to cracking keys and finding MD5 collisions:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/12/berlin.html [wired.com]

from the article - it drives me nuts (1)

shakuni (644197) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271069)

"With iSuppli's estimated PS3 cost at $448.73, the product retailing in the United States at around $399 and taking into account other expenses, the PS3 may be able to break even in 2009 with further hardware revisions."

I don't know what this statement means. Are they saying that total cost (direct and indirect cost) per unit in 2009 will fall below $399 retail price ? If yes, then that is not breakeven. Also, it seems to me that they have very little idea of other expenses (both direct and indirect)to be able to even make that statement.

It drives me nuts ....

so does lesser newer parts mean better performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26271209)

im no genius - but when newer better parts are implemented, doesnt that increase performance, is this ps3.5?

This might mean something (1)

Deadguy2322 (761832) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271259)

If only iSuppli wasn't full of shit. All their numbers are guesses, which all the tards take as gospel so they can bitch online that product X should be cheaper. What a fucking waste of time.

Late much (-1, Offtopic)

SeraphX2 (1395925) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271507)

Remind me NOT to come here for up to date news on the gaming world. My God I read this information the day after it came out. Kotaku.com FTW people.

Re:Late much (1)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271909)

Kotaku.com is some good stuff.

Parts? (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 4 years ago | (#26271811)

"...parts (currently 2,820 vs. the original 4,048..."

Sheesh. Sony does make some intricate stuff, but even a Walkman had fewer parts, the cassette models even.

Maybe they need to re-think the parts count? 1,000 would seem a target for me.

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