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Next Generation T9 Keyboard Technology

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the type-in-a-new-way dept.

Portables 150

Iddo Genuth writes "Cliff Kushler, the inventor of the T9 keyboard technology for numeric keypads, has developed a new alphanumeric entry technology for touch-screen laptops and Smartphone devices. This latest technology, named Swype, works with an on-screen QWERTY keyboard similar to ones found on Windows Mobile and the iPhone. The difference from the usual method of typing in the letters is that a finger or stylus is used to slide in the first letter, then without lifting the finger, the user continues writing the entire word. Only once the word is completed can the finger be lifted off. According to the developers, this leads to a much faster way of 'typing,' or as we might call it soon, 'swiping.'"

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An entire generation will be thinking (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26275761)

"Swyper no swyping"!

Re:An entire generation will be thinking (0, Troll)

Rayban (13436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277605)

Die, Dora, die!

swipe post (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26275769)

first swipe

bleh (1)

Drumforyourlife (1421647) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275773)

First, I never use that T9 stuff, because it never chooses the right word. Guessing the word that you want to type isn't convenient, it's annoying. Also, it doesn't allow for purposefully misspelled words and text slang.

Re:bleh (4, Informative)

scoot80 (1017822) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275825)

I find it works well, unless I want to type a message in a different language. Then it really goes bad. But, I've got a Nokia, and it works great. once you make it learn a few words by spelling them yourself (usually suburb names) its great. If you wanna use slang, hit the hash key a few times, and it takes it off T9, so you can free type.

But when typing a normal SMS, T9 predictive input makes it so much easier for me.

Re:bleh (1)

muridae (966931) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276195)

I liked T9, until I moved to a phone with a keyboard. How this will compare, I'll find out after a few days.

Programing the T9 system to make is learn the words I use was half the fun. It was like training a spam filter to accept purposefully misspelled words, only without the end result being that only spam got through and all the valid email was filtered.

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276369)

T9 doesn't work really well with english, too many variables. It takes me more time to fix words than just using the standard "press numeric key until needed letter is reached" system (no idea what it is called). On the other hand, when I go to Italy I have a phone there and I use T9 and it works really well with the Italian language.

Re:bleh (1)

Shlimmy (1356315) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277441)

Tap method!

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26275859)

Yeah, especially if you accidentally tell a girl "I want to lick your push".

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276047)

To which she would reply, "You want to lick the salty, sopping, fliud-drenched infant emerging from my stretched, unshaved-because-I-was-pregnant-so-why-should-I-shave-because-I-knows-that-you-aint-gonna-leave-me-and-if-you
-do-then-I-will-use-the-child-support-money-to-buy-myself-some-razors-and-aloe-so-that-I-can-shave-my-stretched-
chonch-after-I-receive-the-husband-stitches-because...wait, did you mean to say puss instead of push? LOL my bad ;) "

You know, because a kid pops out when women PUSH!

Re:bleh (0, Troll)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276139)

you know what else pops out when women push? a turd. apropos: "push" is a slang term for anal sex.

Re:bleh (3, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276267)

Ugh. I'll never code another stack after reading this :P

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276459)

Try a queue, the turd will come out her mouth instead.

Re:bleh (1)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276469)

Sadly, I was the AC who posted the joke fearing karma wreckage if the mods hated the joke, and I was going to put another stack joke [slashdot.org] in there (e.g. "then I would have to pop her") but decided not to at the last minute. Got the original joke from a comedian on Comedy Central, anyway.

Re:bleh (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276725)

Sadly, I was the AC who posted the reply to your AC's joke because not all karma is worth giving away ;) Oh, wait.

I got the idea from a comedian -- Seth McFarlane -- in that Family Guy episode where Peter considers a vasectomy and a barbershop quartet goes into a meandering number about sexual harassment and how the chick had too huge a rack to be talking about that kind of stuff [youtube.com] (skip to 1:07)

But I guess that's the definition of the word...I-RON-EEEEY!

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277001)

I-RON-EEEEY? Moar leik I-RONE-REEE amirite?

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277083)

No, you are totally fucking RONG fag.

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277233)

many aporogies honorable Sum Dum Guy.

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277187)

Anthony here again (AC since this is -1, offtopic, but anyway) - are you the real owner of the "New Here" user as you said somewhere else? Because some other user posing as "be new here" keeps taking the old joke to strange, grammatically erroneous places and I was wondering where the olde "New Here" went.
--
void PAUSE(){ printf("\nPress any key to continue. . ."); while(1) getch(); }

Re:bleh (3, Insightful)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276129)

First, I never use that T9 stuff, because it never chooses the right word. Guessing the word that you want to type isn't convenient, it's annoying. Also, it doesn't allow for purposefully misspelled words and text slang.

At least in good recent implementations it does usually choose the right word, because in addition to having generic word frequency data it learns the most common words you personally use. You can also add your own words to the dictionary, so you can use as many purposefully mispelled words and slang terms as you like. You can always drop out of T9 mode for unusual requirements.

I usually dislike people who don't use T9; they tend to be the idiots who write things like "l8r" (7 key-presses, assuming you can hold the key down to get the 8 and wait between letters) instead of "later" (5 key-presses with T9, entered as fast as you like). A good T9 implementation lets me compose messages with correct spelling and punctuation more rapidly and reliably and with less effort. Messages with correct grammar, spelling and punctuation can be read more reliably and rapidly by the recipients.

Re:bleh (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276383)

I usually dislike people who don't use T9;

Holy crap, you are an idiot!

Re:bleh (1, Offtopic)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276443)

This made me laugh so hard I swallowed my gum and almost choked to death! Bravo, AC!

Re:bleh (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276467)

No you're the idiot.

Re:bleh (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276743)

No You!

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276489)

What, are you some sort of crazy keypad loyalist?

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276683)

One can dream can't he?

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277523)

HAHA
so tru! u da man!

Re:bleh (1)

DimmO (1179765) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276495)

on my phone (nokia), "l8r" is 3 button-presses. it's in the default T9 dictionary.

Re:bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276557)

Mgassees wtih cercrot gmaramr, silnpelg adn puattucnoin can be raed mroe rlailbey adn rdpadily by teh rpiceniets.

The brain doesn't stumble much if it's fluent in a language.

Re:bleh (1)

fabs64 (657132) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276803)

I know mine sure stumbled over "rdpadily". But more to the point I had to look at each individual word in that sentence and not just the whole sentence as I normally would.

Re:bleh (1)

ion.simon.c (1183967) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276869)

Yeah. Read speed on that sentence was ~50% of normal. You'd better have something REALLY fucking good to say if you're gonna make me work that hard to decipher it. ;)

Re:bleh (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277501)

Of course, there are more problems with T9 than writing "l8r" (as your "a good T9 implementation" quote starts to hint). There are other systems (e.g. WordWise and LetterWise [eatoni.com] ) that don't have many of the problems of T9, but you are usually stuck with what your phone has (or perhaps not if you have a smartphone).
Back to topic though, I am trying to draw paths with one finger on my PDA, and it certainly takes me a lot more time and effort than tapping (usually with two fingers). And all this without actually being sure that their software will give me the right word... I think I'll pass!

Re:bleh (1)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277553)

For the life of me I could not figure out "l8r". I kept seeing I ate her, and thought who in the heck would keep saying that...

Then I saw the first letter was not an I, but an L and it says later...

Why do I have this problem... Its called dyslexia, and I have pretty bad... Even my wife often looks at me in pure puzzlement.

Personally I hate T9 since I can never get out a message for the life of me. I completely prefer the keyboard.

Re:bleh (1)

muridae (966931) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276159)

Yes it does. Just edit the T9 dictionary to add the words you want.

Re:bleh (1)

AmigaMMC (1103025) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276377)

T9 doesn't work really well with English, too many variables. It takes me more time to fix words than just using the standard "press numeric key until needed letter is reached" system (no idea what it is called). On the other hand, when I go to Italy I have a phone there and I use T9 and it works really well with the Italian language.

Re:bleh (1)

altek (119814) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276911)

Nor does it predict when I'm typing an expletive. Seriously, that annoys me (I swear a lot because I have no imagination).

Finally (4, Interesting)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275783)

Touchscreen keyboards to me have always been hard to use. On both the plasma-screen smartboards at my friend's A/V workplace and the ones I've seen in modern (i.e. well funded) high schools, the windows on screen keyboard and the keyboard prepackaged with the smartboard software is just terrible, partially due to the heat-sensitive surface being activated wherever my finger's heat first hits it, i.e. NOT where I wanted it to be.

This looks much more promising, and will hopefully be preventing the smartboard users from running back to a physical keyboard just to type something after using the mouse in front of the actual screen.

Re:Finally (2)

nscheffey (1158691) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276079)

Almost no touch screens use heat sensitivity. You are thinking of capacitive touchscreens [wikipedia.org] , which can also be triggered by proximity (i.e. before you physically touch it).

Re:Finally (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#26278183)

Touchscreen keyboards to me have always been hard to use.

I"mm tesdinbv one now and iys no top bnaf.

Dvorak? (5, Interesting)

XanC (644172) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275801)

All these virtual keyboards are hard-coded for QWERTY, which makes even less sense for that kind of device than for a modern keyboard!

Dvorak should be an option, along with alphabetical order.

Actually for this thing, there's probably a whole new layout that's optimal. (That's an exercise for the reader to invent.)

Re:Dvorak? (4, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275949)

say what? Dvorak keyboards are great if you want to type in what amounts to two different languages, and it's designed to accommodate speed and efficiency for ten fingers, not one finger and two thumbs.

If you are going to break away from the standard qwerty keyboard, why not try to do something that makes sense for two thumbs and a finger? Understanding that you would have two circular areas for common keys, and best to have them arranged so that you get best efficiency switching between thumbs on alternating letters.

T9 is meant for touch tone keypads, this swipe is designed for efficiency on soft keyboards. If you want to maximize efficiency for thumbs, start all over again please.

Re:Dvorak? (2, Interesting)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276837)

Specifically concerning the iPhone, I think it would be better to use a regular telephone keypad instead of a whole QWERTY keyboard. There would be space for bigger keys. I'd have an easier time just pressing each number until I got the letter I wanted, rather than pressing the smaller QWERTY keys only to have the wrong letter typed. Combining T9 with the telephone keypad would make it even better.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277151)

I like the number-pad thingy, but I don't like having to press the same key 6 times.

1-2 should give a capital "A" while 3-2 should give a capital "C" and 6-2 should give a lower-case "c"; 7-2 would just give a "2".

Also, the iPhone's prediction algorithm is f'ed.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277149)

Instead of dvorak, linotype would probably work quite well. http://www.wired.com/images/article/full/2007/07/0703_dayintech_full.jpg

Re:Dvorak? (5, Funny)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275957)

Actually for this thing, there's probably a whole new layout that's optimal. (That's an exercise for the reader to invent.)

Introducing the patented, copywritten hunt-and-peck touchscreen keyboard! Perfect for touchscreens of all types, and optimized for the elderly! And as an added bonus, pay shipping and handling to receive 2 hunt-and-peck keyboards! Only 2 easy payments of $19.95!

and one very difficult payment of $49.99

Order now!

Re:Dvorak? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276987)

copywritten

ARGH! The inner Grammar Nazi within me screams in a bloodied rage.

copywriting [wikipedia.org] is completely different from copyrighting [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Dvorak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26275971)

Oh, come off it. Dvorak is a fraud and QWERTY not only works fine, but everyone is already comfortable with it. Everyone who didn't trick themselves into getting accustomed to a pointlessly different layout, that is.

Re:Dvorak? (4, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276013)

Having been in mixed Dvorak, Qwerty, and Abcdefg environments, and having been on a quest for the ultimate keyboard for the past 10 years, I'm pretty confident that Qwerty is *good enough* until something truly different comes along.

Dvorak *can* run a little faster than Qwerty for typing, but not so much that you'd see an appreciably speed increase for nomal use. And as Dvorak has been around for about 80 years now [earthlink.net] , I don't think anyone is getting in on the wave of the future by using it. Similarly, you'd be surprised how hard it is to use an alphabetized keyboard after years of Qwerty or Dvorak usage. The brain just doesn't change over that easily.

Unless an alternative layout increased speeds 100% or so, I'd keep things accessible. Just use Qwerty, and move on.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277195)

The point of dvorak is not typing speed, but keeping your hands on the home row as much as possible. I typed on Dvorak exclusively the last few years, it's made my wrists feel a lot better. But I don't type faster, perhaps a bit more accurate.

Also, with the ease of changing it in most OSes, I don't think it's anything but personal choice anymore.

If you want something that may be better, try the Neo layout though. It's for the german language, but it may be good for english as well:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEO-Tastaturbelegung [wikipedia.org]

http://www.neo-layout.org/ [neo-layout.org]

I would think, in the future, typing becomes less important anyway. Sorry about the neo links, there used to be good mathematical analysis in english, but it seems the entire site it was on is away. However, it seems to have gained a lot of traction in the German speaking world considering it had next to nothing on the web about it just several years back and was invented in the 2000s.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

kv9 (697238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26278275)

I typed on Dvorak exclusively the last few years, it's made my wrists feel a lot better. But I don't type faster, perhaps a bit more accurate.

do you have some numbers? on a QWERTY layout I seem to have about a 2% error rate (assuming a backspace press counts as one error -- probably more like 0.2-0.5%, because I tend to smash the backspace key multiple times when fixing errors). my sample size is ~20M keypresses.

other interesting numbers would be:

  • space - 10%
  • a - 7.5%
  • enter - 5%
  • keypad 5 - only 1 press out of 20M

I doubt Dvorak would help with speed or accuracy in my case. and the QWERTY layout has never given me any hand trouble, while I do get occasional mouse cramps in my right hand.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277969)

You might want to look into Colemak [colemak.com] . It is touted as being better than Dvorak.

Re:Dvorak? (5, Interesting)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276015)

This might be the optimal layout: HexInput [strout.net] . Or at least, it's designed to work in a similar manner to what's described.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276703)

Thats rather good. Would work on the Wii, too.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276735)

I think for the Wii onscreen QWERTY keyboards aren't that bad, but the thing has USB ports, so if I were ever to do anything that involved a lot of typing (eg. Wii Linux) I would probably just plug in a USB keyboard. No need to find ugly hackish workarounds when there's a simpler solution, IMO. I think the HexInput idea would work pretty well on the DS though, and maybe other handhelds like the PSP, but onscreen QWERTY will always have the advantage that people are used to the layout.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

evanbd (210358) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276113)

You mean FITALY [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:Dvorak? (2, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276691)

I wonder why they didn't call it ZVCHWK?

Re:Dvorak? (2, Insightful)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276223)

Dvorak is designed for efficient touch typing. Virtual keyboards are inherently poor for touch typing (you can't feel which "keys" your fingers are hitting), and most are too small to even attempt it. If you could convince me there is a significant proportion of people who known Dvorak but can't even type one- or two-fingered on a QWERTY I might believe that there is a real need, but I suspect that group of users is vanishingly small.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

joebadmo (1441907) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276245)

Seems to me like QWERTY is actually a superior layout for this application. The stroke length difference seems like it would be more or less insignificant, and spreading out common letters, I'd imagine, would make it easier for the predictive software to make the right predictions.

Re:Dvorak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276363)

I once saw a pie chart comparing the time saved by switching to dvorak compared to time wasted talking about dvorak. Guess which was bigger.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

ethana2 (1389887) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276741)

Dvorak should be available; colemak too.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

Anthony Rosequist (1110043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276751)

Actually for this thing, there's probably a whole new layout that's optimal. (That's an exercise for the reader to invent.)

The guys over at ShapeWriter have already beaten you (me?) to it.

They call it the ATOMIK keyboard layout, and there's a short demo here [shapewriter.com] . The learning curve is probably a little steep, but I would guess that it's less than learning QWERTY, partly because you're allowed to look at the keyboard the entire time. :)

Re:Dvorak? (1)

happyhangone (599849) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276915)

Well, when I was a wannabe Palm hacker, I always saw the need for an onscreen keyboard that didn't follow the QWERTY layout. (I always believed that there was a more speedy way to input things than drawing each letter one at a time) This layout is anything but optimized for one-finger-or-pen-point-swiped-input. So in my own search for perfection, I collided with the ATOMIK keyboard and relevant thesis from IBM research (1 [ibm.com] , 2 [ibm.com] , 3 [ibm.com] ) Unfortunately, English is just my second language so anything optimized for English couldn't work out with enough success rate to be useful so I embarked on the journey to program out the algorithms on those thesis to develop my own Spanish arrangement of letters, to make my own atomic keyboard layout. After a while, I ended up with a very useful layout that, as the thesis states, ended up with common word endings available as gliphs from the pen. If any person in the world attempts to make a keyboard for swiping a finger or a pen, is a fool if doesn't try to optimize the layout and to throw out the qwerty once and for all. (PS, the program and the layout were lost on a HDD crash but probably I will recreate this thing again, just for the sake of it...)

Re:Dvorak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276959)

Why stick with rectilinear? We're seeing that broken on some gaming keyboards like, ones that arrange macro keys around another set of WASD.

Might as well break from the square.

Re:Dvorak? (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 5 years ago | (#26278221)

I would think that, since this input method is based on moving a finger between letters in a continuous motion, it would probably be a Good Thing if commonly used letters were far apart, or far enough apart to make each character entered a long enough "swipe" to feel natural and ergonomic.

I am a bit curious about how you were to type a word like "letter," where you need to make 2 "Ts" at once. Maybe after you enter the first T, you do a little loop and end up where you started.

You can, by the way, get a writing app for your iPhone now [shapewriter.com] that operates on this principle.

WritingPad (5, Informative)

blacklint (985235) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275851)

I've had an iPhone application for quite a while that uses this. It's called WritingPad, and the about screen has a link to http://shapewriter.com/ [shapewriter.com] .

Re:WritingPad (1)

DancesWithBlowTorch (809750) | more than 5 years ago | (#26278011)

Seconded. Shapewriting was invented by Per Ola Kristensson [pokristensson.com] before 2004 [pokristensson.com] (pdf warning), not by Kliff Kushler in 2008. WritingPad has been available on the iPhone for almost a year now. It has even been praised by Time magazine [time.com] . These guys are jumping on the bandwagon. They only get more press since they are "the people who invented T9".

Re:WritingPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26278085)

I have tried this app. It is interesting concept but NOT practical at all. It is just a cool but useless nerdy way of entering text.

Accuracy? (1)

Bordgious (1378477) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275873)

I'd like to see the accuracy of this system in a real-life setting. On phones with the T9 technology, I found it was faster for me to hit a key three times than to backspace every time the software made a mistake (which was frequently)...

Re:Accuracy? (1)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276349)

I'd like to see the accuracy of this system in a real-life setting. On phones with the T9 technology, I found it was faster for me to hit a key three times than to backspace every time the software made a mistake (which was frequently)...

Backspace? Mistake? It's never wrong in the sense that it never suggests a word that can't be made of the letters on the keys you pressed. Erm, you do know how to scroll through the list of suggested words on your phone, don't you? You do know that if it doesn't have a word you can add it to the dictionary and the word you enter will appear in the message you are composing, don't you? The only reason you should have to backspace is if you made a mistake, you don't want to add a word to the dictionary or you don't know how T9 works.

I suspect a lot of people get as far with T9 as entering 2337 expecting "beer", getting "adds" and deciding it doesn't work because it can't read their mind.

ACRES of irrelevant words (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276835)

Erm, you do know how to scroll through the list of suggested words on your phone

But if you try to type BASES (22737) and have to scroll through ACRES of irrelevant words [cam.ac.uk] , you're not likely to be someone who CARES about T9, and using that mode isn't likely to be in the CARDS for you. How many keystrokes does it take to scroll through this list?

Re:ACRES of irrelevant words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277249)

It takes 7 keystrokes for me, total. In regular punchy mode, it would take 13. (b = 2, a = 1, s = 4, and e = 2).

And even worst case, it takes me 11 keystrokes to type Bares, instead of the 12 it would take to enter manually.

What Google thinks of Swype (4, Funny)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275877)

Google's ad engine selected "WI Portable Restrooms -- We Offer Portable Restrooms in Every Configuration & Price Range" for this page.

OK, back to the drawing board on product name.

Writingpad, in an App Store near you (1)

mbourgon (186257) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275895)

Already exists. I think it was out the first week the iPhone App Store was open. Works pretty decently.

Tag fuckthegovernment? (1)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275923)

I know I've already posted, but as of this post this article is tagged "fuckthegovernment".

Really /.? I know some of the FOSS people here are pretty diehard, but come on, wtf? What does the government have to do with T9 keyboards?

Re:Tag fuckthegovernment? (1)

Drumforyourlife (1421647) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275973)

by suggesting words for you to use, they're controlling your thoughts on a subconscious level. next they'll be telling you what to type entirely...

Because fucktheuspto (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276879)

What does the government have to do with T9 keyboards?

The government granted a monopoly on T9 input to Tegic (now part of Nuance).

bizna7ch (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26275927)

here, pleasE do [goat.cx]

This was "swype'd" from Dr Zhai, of IBM, research (5, Informative)

mTor (18585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26275967)

Take a look at this demo of ShapeWriter from IBM [ibm.com] . It's the same thing as Swype and was invented 5 years ago. Dr Zhai has formed a company around the tech and you can see it here: ShapeWriter [shapewriter.com] .

Re:This was "swype'd" from Dr Zhai, of IBM, resear (1)

mlynx (812210) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276359)

Why, oh why, do I never have the mod points when something like is it posted. This needs to be modded up.

Re:This was "swype'd" from Dr Zhai, of IBM, resear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277851)

Wow... I did not even find the letters on that IBM demo. All what I saw was lines got drawed all over the places and words was got to text line.

That demomaker must have trained that layout a lot! But I was still faster with normal keyboard :-D (1 vs 10 fingers).

do not discount the appointee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276009)

he's likely a square guy & we don't need the hassles . who cares about the foibles of the process to date?

Sounds familiar (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276059)

The difference from the usual method of typing in the letters is that a finger or stylus is used to slide in the first letter, then without lifting the finger, the user continues writing the entire word. Only once the word is completed can the finger be lifted off.

That's kind of like how a Ouija board is operated, isn't it? More proof that Cliff Kushler is Satan, I guess.

Rob

One Word - Patent! (1)

ztransform (929641) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276069)

Patent patent patent! Someone will either be looking to make lots by licensing some "new idea".. or stifling such innovation by use of a patent. Or maybe I'm no longer excited by any invention that wasn't born out of the RFC process anymore..

Re:One Word - Patent! (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276185)

The internet has ruined it for all of us. I can't even get a stiffy anymore unless it involves a girl shitting into a cup.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26276127)

swiping in the restroom...swiping in the restroom...teacher don't...

writingpad iphone app (2, Informative)

mdaitc (619734) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276353)

i've been using the writingpad iphone app for months that does just this.
http://www.shapewriter.com/iphone.html [shapewriter.com]

Dasher? (2, Interesting)

unifyingtheory (1357069) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276361)

Is this anything like Dasher? The demo can be seen here [youtube.com]

Re:Dasher? (1)

shtrom (1251560) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276737)

Is this anything like Dasher?

I thought so by reading the post, but the linked articles shows that it's not the case.

I still think a Dasher-like system may be a viable input system for keyboard-less devices, though. Modulo some fine tuning, of course...

And it has Caps Lock!!! (1)

cmdotter (1274534) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276615)

Like, everyone needs caps lock don't we? ffs!

A simple question (1)

Goobermunch (771199) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276873)

How does it handle double letters?

For example, would it type my username as Goobermunch or Gobermunch? How would it know the difference? How does Swyping accommodate the William Wallaces of the world? Are they doomed to being Wiliam Walaces?

The press release leaves the question open. The ability to detect a repeated input seems to be an advantage of keypad type input. Perhaps, if you dwell for a sufficiently long period of time, it will count the character beneath the stylus twice.

--AC

Re:A simple question (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277169)

I got to try out Swype last fall at the TC50. It's pretty great technology, as I remember to do a double letter you just needed to loop around the letter.

neener (1)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 5 years ago | (#26276907)

I've just created the rotary version - with letters arranged by frequency (E in the center - others further out.) the E-writer or somesuch... or "Summoner" since it looks like you trace pentagrams on the circle. Different enough to get around the patent, I hope :)

StickyKeys (1)

BagOCrap (980854) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277183)

Only once the word is completed can the finger be lifted off.

Better not be dyslexic around devices of this kind, or it'll stick to your finger indefinitely.

It sure lends the term "StickyKeys" a new meaning!

Make use of the medium (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277247)

I was thinking about on-screen keyboards just yesterday. I usually avoid them, preferring real keyboards, but I was thinking, if your only choice is on screen, how would you want it to work?

My real keyboard is optimized to minimize hand and finger movement, by placing the keys I use most commonly near where my hands are supposed to be. However, it is limited by the medium: the keys have to be in the same place all the time. An on-screen keyboard doesn't have this limitation: you can put the "keys" wherever you want them to be at any time you like. Does anyone have experience with on-screen keyboards that do this (I know there are some)?

I was thinking that what you could do is have some kind of frequency table, and arrange symbols in order of frequency, taking into account the symbols that have already been typed. Then, symbols that are more likely to be the next symbol you want to enter would receive preferential treatment, in that they would be closer to the current position of the stylus and/or larger. This would speed up and reduce the effort for entering common combinations, at the expense of uncommon ones. It's sort of like Huffmann coding, and I think it might produce good results. On the other hand, I can imagine that symbols shifting around like that would be really, really annoying.

Suretype (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26277449)

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned SureType- the system the BlackBerry Pearl uses. The keyboard is laid out in QWERTY style, but there are two letters per key. This allows for fewer possible words than a T9 per key-press and also allows for faster typing because of the high likelihood of tapping on the same key consecutively or alternating between the same sets of two or three keys. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blackberrypearl.JPG [wikipedia.org] for a look at the layout.

GNOME has better (1)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277913)

GNOME has better virtual-keyboard. You just type wanted letter and then you start moving mouse towards other letters. It needs and dictionary to know what words you are wanting to type and it predicts the needed letters bigger ones. So you can hit them more easily. You should find it from usability-menu.

Shark-like (2, Interesting)

ozbon (99708) | more than 5 years ago | (#26277987)

This looks like the Shark typing method [ibm.com] created for IBM a few years back.

I really liked the Shark idea when it first came out, so it's good to see something similar again. (Plus Shark worked on non-QWERTY 'boards as well, you just changed the settings on its initialisation)

I introducw... (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | more than 5 years ago | (#26278031)

The swypo.

Quikwriting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26278043)

I really like Quikwriting as it is so simple and obvious how to use

It is described amongst others here:

http://www.cs.uta.fi/~poika/g/node6.html

I wonder if this will cause RSI? (1)

PipingSnail (1112161) | more than 5 years ago | (#26278205)

I wonder if this will cause RSI?

I've lived with RSI since 1993 - you get used to recognising things that do not help ergonomically. This looks like one of those things.

One of the major problems with RSI is that prolonged activation of muscle groups leads to fatigue. The term for this is static loading.

This is why click and release mouse behaviour (to activate menus, then click again to choose) is better for your health than the alternative method (click and hold, release to choose) because the alternative forces you to hold the mouse button down until you make your choice.

This keyboard idea is doing the same thing.

I suspect healthy people may like this keyboard and those suffering from RSI will dislike it greatly.

Info on RSI and remedial exercises: http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/rsi/rsi_srk.html [demon.co.uk]

Stephen

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