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Larger iPod Touch In Apple's Future?

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the is-there-heat-in-taco's-future dept.

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Ender_Stonebender writes "TechCrunch is reporting that three independent sources have mentioned to them a large form factor version of the iPod Touch, with either a 7- or 9-inch screen, to be released fall of 2009. The device is expected to have access to the iTunes App Store. Beyond that, everything about it appears to be pure speculation."

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7 or 9 inch iPhones (2, Funny)

ian_from_brisbane (596121) | more than 5 years ago | (#26288933)

Does this mean we'll also see people talking on 9" iPhones?

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26288971)

Only if it's the "Steve Jobs' Dick" app. Which, like all other Apple products, carries a bloated reputation and a bloated price tag.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (-1, Offtopic)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289451)

First fucking ethanol-addled post of the new year, Pacific time! Man. It's finally here. The era where whites are too idiotic to wipe their own assses(too idiotic to run the U.S.A.) and that a black man must take over to ensure the freedom and privacy of proper-thinking individuals.

Americans already view Europe(okay, Northern Europe at least) as being a utopia: none of the "Big Brother" bullshit(though it's encroaching, and you MUST stop it!) of telecom immunity with all of the benefits of learning 3 languages with almost-free education.

Europeans at large -- It's a "baby boomer" issue...you need plenty of cheap labor for your services...why not kick out all of the Muslims(who will bomb your libraries and slash your filmmakers' throats anyway) and import the civilized light-skinned American expatriates?

Hell, America's economy is mostly service-based anyway and will become even moreso in the near future! You'll receive plenty of intellegent, hard-working people who were smart enough to leave the U.S. before Halliburton and Blackwater gained control of the U.S. and sneakily passed legislation to award the ICE under the umbrella of "Homeland Security" [ice.gov] the national "get-away-with-what-we-want-to" Gestapo Award. What should have been bag-checkers have cancerously grown into thoughtcrime enforcers [ice.gov] and I.P. enforcers breaching all borders you can imagine. [ice.gov] . Yes, the gestapo are here. They were steadily creeping for awhile but the Bush administration sealed the deal for 1984'ing the U.S. Those of you family values fags who voted Republican should raise your pistols up to your fucking crania and pull your collective triggers.

American Slashdotters -- please become politically involved. If there's anything the past 8 years have shown us, it's that our government are nothing more than greedy hedonistic fucks which will run unchecked unless somebody slaps their wrist every 5 seconds. It would be kind of cute if they weren't brewing a gestapo takeover. We will be the ones to tell them to fuck off and get back to work every 5 seconds. RELIGION MUST BE OUTLAWED. The department of "Homeland Security" must be dismantled. TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (4, Interesting)

FuturePastNow (836765) | more than 5 years ago | (#26288983)

Seriously, I look stupid enough holding a normal phone to my ear.

I just don't see the value of a larger iPod touch. The point of the touch is that it (a) shares apps with the iPhone and (b) fits in a pocket. This would do neither.

A slate-type tablet Mac, if it could run full desktop apps, would have some value. But not if it was crippled to run iPhone apps on a bigger screen.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289119)

Trouble is, where you say "crippled" Apple's people see "Permitted, by transcendent grace of Jobs".

Now, personally, I'd be a bit surprised by Apple building a much larger device that takes iPhone apps, because introducing two completely different screen sizes to that niche would play aesthetic hell with existing apps and possibly result in an unpleasant bifurcation of that market. Apple, though, seems quite fond of the "all your apps are approved by us" concept, so I strongly doubt that anything smaller than one of their existing computers is not going to be getting open platform treatment.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (2, Funny)

dimeglio (456244) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289143)

I think a faster smaller iPod Touch might put a large dent into the sub-notebook market. All Apple has to do is give it's iPod Touch a better keyboard, more speed and more battery life, hence the larger size.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (4, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289163)

You are assuming this will be a music player.

I spueculate this will be an e-ink ereader. Perhaps iTunes will start selling newspapers subscriptions and books. They sell music, movies anyways, might as well tackle the next medium.

Good for apple. I like their competence at UI. The ereaders now, like the iRex DR1000S are often panned as being more prototypes than finished products.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289199)

Exactly. I fully expect Apple to start selling e-books. The distribution model is in place and perfect for book distribution. Learn from Amazon's mistakes and then kick their ass...

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (2, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289257)

I can't imagine Apple making an e-ink product unless it were full-color -- but if they did do that, it'd be pretty awesome!

(I would want it to have a Wacom digitizer too, like the iRex iLiad.)

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (1)

TheoMurpse (729043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289381)

Agreed. I'm a grad student and I've been wanting an iLiad since I first read about it a few years ago. But it's expensive and I can't afford it.

It is great for people who have to do research because you can physically take notes on your files on the reader. Legal practitioners (I'm studying law) have access to numerous cases in PDF format. Grad students in other fields are in a similar boat.

It would be nice to take notes, and right now, only the iLiad allows this.

I've Apple offered one that was cheaper than the iLiad or had a better UI (preferably both!), I'd buy one the second I get started at my job.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289827)

To reply to the grandparent: color is not necessary. So much print is in black and white anyway. Besides, it will give apple space to sell you upgrades in the future when color does come online. Or, they can make it a double sided screen, with one side grayscale and one side lcd. Or somehow get the lcd and e-ink "merged" or stacked somehow so both can be used, I'm non familiar with the hardware enough if such a thing is possible.

It would be nice to take notes, and right now, only the iLiad allows this.

Forget the iliad then. I only wanted a DR1000S from iRex due to screen size for textbooks (to allow display of a typical 8.5x11 sheet sans margins), but I used the iliad. The wacom screen (?) or whatever it is based on, isn't that nice for notes. The refresh rate irked me, having the "ink" always trail the pen by that little bit. But I do like the open sourcing of iLiad and would almost buy it if the battery life of it were not so lousy (daily recharging).

If you don't care about a big screen size, look into something like the Sony PR-505 or Amazon Kindle, or wait until Plastic Logic's unit comes out. Then consider getting a Pulse Smartpen for notes, they are fantastic for that purpose. Then you canhave all your notes in PDF without scanning as soon as you can transfer it to the computer and back to the reader:
http://www.amazon.com/Livescribe-1GB-Pulse-Smartpen-APA-00001/dp/B001AAOZHI/ [amazon.com]

Probably achievable (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290073)

Or somehow get the lcd and e-ink "merged" or stacked somehow so both can be used, I'm non familiar with the hardware enough if such a thing is possible.

Well, OLPC project has always planned to develop such a thing (B&W hirez e-ink under sunlight or Color LCD by its own light). They just didn't manage to come up with this within the XO-1 time frame and R&D budget.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (1)

DiLLeMaN (324946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290203)

Knowing Apple, it's not going to be cheaper than the iLiad. It would probably have a colour screen and the iPhone OS -- cramming a full-blown OS X into a small and not-too-powerful machine is going to degrade the experience too much to be a serious option for Apple.

For the UI, they'd probably upscale the existing UI. That would be a lot easier for the existing apps, and you'd still have most of the screen available for browsing, viewing videos etc. That's what the machine would be for, not as a netbook replacement.

They might add some stuff that's not on the iPhone now (PDF support?), but not that much else. Flash kinda depends on Adobe, really, but it seems to be coming to the platform "any day now". I think they might include handwriting recognition (it's already in the system now for Asian languages), but I don't know if they'd enable you to annotate PDF files, since that would require a new PDF reader app.

I'm not that sure of a tablet Mac emerging anytime soon, though. I'm sure they're researching it, but it won't come to market until Apple is totally happy with it. That might take a while.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (1)

adona1 (1078711) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289547)

Interesting idea. I'm waiting for a reader to be released which does for ebooks what the iPod did for mp3 players, and Apple would probably make a fairly decent one. However, history would indicate Apple would not be as open as I'd like for something like this... .lit files would obviously be out, we'd probably have to use iTunes to port the books over, no replacable battery etc.
So yeah. The (small) ebook reader industry could certainly use the boot up the arse that Apple would give, and it might even get the publishers to take their heads from their rears (ie not charge full price for a digital copy of a book).

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290205)

Have you tried eReader.coms eReader software on the iPhone or iPod Touch? Works fantastically, and takes both their own DRMed ebooks (it doesnt check back or anything, just requires you to type in your CC number to unlock the book when you first add it) and standard PDB books as well.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289287)

if you think 7 or 9 inch iphones look stupid in your ear, put them i n yer mouth instead.

It's more suited to your style

I took a sample in the supermarket today. (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289399)

Half of the people I saw were talking on cellular phones. Half. Try a sample in your supermarket and see for yourself. It looks like we're all distracted.

Voip: My son's iPod Touch has the hardware to make a voip call to the other side of the world. I'm going to try the facility tomorrow. That would be cool.

Products fit form factors (1)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289491)

There's an "average" laptop size that's a pretty damned good mix between size, cost, usability, and portability. In my current laptop, I decided to go for the wider screen and bigger laptop [notebookreview.com] , and I don't like it as much as my smaller, lighter, "standard" sized previous model. (a Dell 600m [cnet.com] ) While I've seen much smaller laptops, I figure they are probably in much the same camp as my larger, heavier, more annoying laptop - they deviate from a standard size that has proven to be an awfully good set of compromises over years of time.

Phones are as big as they are because people like them that size. I don't mind the brick that is my home cordless phone because I don't live with it in my pocket. My Razr cell phone, on the other hand, is delightful primarily because of its minute form factor and it's compatibility with and accessibility from my jeans pocket.

Deviating from the "standard" form factor is very risky - the value of finding a new "right size" is high, but the chances of getting it right is very low. Dell blew it on my current laptop, it's too big and heavy for me to love.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (2, Funny)

lxs (131946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289613)

It's the return of the '80s.

The brickphone is making a comeback.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289657)

I'd buy one immediately. I use my iPhone 3g for loads of things I used to use a laptop for. I'm on the verge of buying an iPod touch to use around the house and take on trips to use for entertainment (i.e. stop my daughter from stealing my phone constantly!) and internet where WiFi is available. The main advantage of the iphone over the ipod touch for this purpose is somewhat negated by the ridiculous and exhorbitant fees charged by the carriers when data roaming.

The one downside of the iPod touch is that it has no internal speaker or microphone. The other downside of the iPod/iPhone family is that internet, whilst useable, is still a tiny bit pokey on that tiny screen. If it were 7-9 inches and very high resolution (as the iPod/iPhone are), we may get away without taking the laptop.

I see the point that it would have to be backward compatible with iPhone apps or run a proper OSX to be useful, but a proper OSX isn't geared towards using fingers so I suspect it will be the former. Newer apps may have the option to use higher resolutions when using this tablet. /Is that a 7-9 inch iPod in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me?

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (2, Insightful)

lindseyp (988332) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289661)

I'd buy one immediately. I use my iPhone 3g for loads of things I used to use a laptop for. I'm on the verge of buying an iPod touch to use around the house and take on trips to use for entertainment (i.e. stop my daughter from stealing my phone constantly!) and internet where WiFi is available. The main advantage of the iphone over the ipod touch for this purpose is somewhat negated by the ridiculous and exhorbitant fees charged by the carriers when data roaming. The one downside of the iPod touch is that it has no internal speaker or microphone. The other downside of the iPod/iPhone family is that internet, whilst useable, is still a tiny bit pokey on that tiny screen. If it were 7-9 inches and very high resolution (as the iPod/iPhone are), we may get away without taking the laptop. I see the point that it would have to be backward compatible with iPhone apps or run a proper OSX to be useful, but a proper OSX isn't geared towards using fingers so I suspect it will be the former. Newer apps may have the option to use higher resolutions when using this tablet. /Is that a 7-9 inch iPod in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me?

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (3, Funny)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289687)

How about making it a cube? It'd be like a normal Mac, except in cube form, has anyone tried that?

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289907)

The corners would hurt when all the faggotty-fanboys shove them up their butts.

Ian, you can suck my 9" cock. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289067)

you're a stupid piece of shit motherfucker. dumb as a rock and sharp as a telephone pole. i know you like to lick horse anus.

Re:7 or 9 inch iPhones (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289205)

Probably a bluetooth headset with a 7 - 9" phone in the person's pocket, I'd imagine.

Happy New Year! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26288939)

n/t

Larger iPod? I want more GB (2)

alfrin (858861) | more than 5 years ago | (#26288949)

Seriously though Apple recently stopped producing the 160 gig iPod I've come to rely on. My music collection (and videos) takes up far more than the 120 they've left me with, and I fear to god everytime I pull out my ipod for fear of breaking it.

Would it be so hard to allow you to pay a fee for Apple to fit your iPod classic with a bigger hard drive? It can't be harder than refurbishing one, no? With the increased sales of videos and movies, I imagine more people will run into the problem of "space".

Re:Larger iPod? I want more GB (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289027)

If you're that worried, Apple is selling [apple.com] refurbished 160 gb ipod classics.

Re:Larger iPod? I want more GB (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289571)

Hmmm, I wonder why they did that. I bought a 160GB iPod Classic just a few months ago, and I'm very happy with it. OK, it is a little on the large side, but if that's what it takes to get storage, then that's what it takes. Looks like I was just in time...

Hopefully by the time this one breaks, there'll be a good alternative...

Re:Larger iPod? I want more GB (1)

symbolic (11752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289967)

Unfortunately, Apple is about selling product, not necessarily providing value.

iBook (3, Interesting)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26288957)

Sounds to me like it has the potential to take up the name iBook. At that size of screen, it may be marginally useful as an ebook reader.

PDF reader, please.

Re:iBook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289473)

And Flash, please.

Re:iBook (2, Insightful)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289679)

even a 3.8" vga screen is already useful for reading ebooks. pdf sucks as ebook format, though.

DICK BUTT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26288989)

xD

Further speculation (3, Interesting)

john.picard (1440397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289021)

Let's speculate further. It's not an iPod Touch. It's a combination between a Tablet PC (or more correctly a Tablet Mac) and a n*tbook, but without a hinge or mechanical keyboard.

Re:Further speculation (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289697)

so it is like a simpad [tabletpccorner.net] , only with modern hardware. how very innovative.

Re:Further speculation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289941)

It'll be white with rounded corners. Totally different.

Re:Further speculation (1)

MasterOfDisaster (248401) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290303)

It'll be black plastic and glass with rounded corners. Totally different.

There. Fixed that for you.

Stating the obvious (5, Funny)

ThatbookwritingWheel (553383) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289045)

> The device is expected to have access to the iTunes App Store. Another source stated that the device is likely to have the Apple Logo on it.

Re:Stating the obvious (0, Offtopic)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289063)

Buy one Ipod Touch XL get a free starbucks frappachino

Re:Stating the obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289195)

> The device is expected to have access to the iTunes App Store.

Another source stated that the device is likely to have the Apple Logo on it.

Hey, have you heard the latest rumour? The new iPod touch is apparently (don't quote me on this) going to have a capability to play back recordings of something called "music" as well! This is unprecedented. Only Steve Jobs will know what the future holds for this new and exciting device.

at first blush, no, but then... (3, Insightful)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289051)

When I think about how Jobs operates, I think maybe yeah. Here's the reasoning:

Jobs hears people cry out for the 'xMac', and we get the Mac mini, way too small to be what people wanted (ridiculous expansion, so small in requires more expensive laptop-class components, etc.)

Jobs hears people cry out for the return of the 12-inch Macbook Pro form factor, and we get the MacBook Air, so slim and badly-realized that it lacks essential ports on the back (even though it's big enough to fit them).

Jobs hears people cry out for a netbook-class machine, and we get a MID.

So I'm thinkin' yeah, because it's exactly what people aren't asking for. That's my 2009 prediction! :)

As another poster said, this formfactor would be great to take up the iBook name. Either that or the return of the Newton. Well, the iNewton. Or i(of)Newt. Something along those lines, I'm sure.

Re:at first blush, no, but then... (-1, Flamebait)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289071)

And Jobs grins a greedy little smile because people in black turtlenecks bought all of them, including repair fees when at least one of the above listed broke.

Re:at first blush, no, but then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289113)

I hate to say it, but... "MacPad".

Re:at first blush, no, but then... (3, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289123)

I hate to say it, but... "MacPad".

Nah, that's being reserved for their inevitable line of feminine hygiene products. "Bleed Different."

Re:at first blush, no, but then... (3, Insightful)

DiLLeMaN (324946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290227)

Jobs hears people cry out for the 'xMac', and we get the Mac mini, way too small to be what people wanted (ridiculous expansion, so small in requires more expensive laptop-class components, etc.)

I rather like my mini, though. Sure, it has less oomph than a "full size" machine, but it's not too expensive, it has a small desk footprint, and it runs silent. I don't care about not being able to cram in 346 PCI cards, USB works for an increasing range of products nowadays.

Part of the charm of Apple is that they don't follow the market. The fact that every computer maker is making underpowered netbooks nowadays doesn't mean Apple will do the same, unless they can find a way to get it right. They're not gonna run off and build anything that some people are asking for, and why would they.

I'm with you on the 12" Macbook though, the Air is no replacement for that and it'd be great if they re-introduced a small laptop. Dunno if that's possible without severely underpowering the thing, though.

Re:at first blush, no, but then... (1)

gargletheape (894880) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290329)

Jobs hears people cry out for the return of the 12-inch Macbook Pro form factor, and we get the MacBook Air, so slim and badly-realized that it lacks essential ports on the back (even though it's big enough to fit them).

And Jobs saw it was good?

NewAppleDeviceRumor! (0, Troll)

mercthree (528048) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289105)

Hey Taco, I heard Jobs will be coming out with a new rectal implant phone that shoots fire out your ass when you receive a call. It'll be out in Summer 2010. I promise. You should definitely post this to the front page so you don't get scooped!

Re:NewAppleDeviceRumor! (0, Troll)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289137)

eh, sounds like a typical night at the slashdot geek compound, what with Cowboy Neil shoving a phone up his ass, calling himself for the vibrator effect and lighting his farts on fire.

Zune bug sim? (3, Funny)

JayTech (935793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289177)

Sweet! Will we be able to run a Zune leap year simulation on it?

Re:Zune bug sim? (0, Troll)

Mozk (844858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290179)

... run a Zune leap year simulation ...

I declare a new Internet meme.

I don't see it (2, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289179)

The tablet form factor never worked out well for the PC, and the rising netbook segment is more about cost than anything. Possibly some form of netbook that also offered a touch screen, that I could possibly see...

One stumbling block though is that even with access to the App Store, apps would have to be re-tooled to be able to take advantage of a larger screen.

Re:I don't see it (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289235)

No no no.
AppStore items run in the Dashboard or as small programs.

It's a secret 10.6 feature.
Doubt me? It's a perfect way for apple to monetize the Dashboard.
Multitouch will probably be simulated by holding down a keyboard button.

--r

Re:I don't see it (2, Informative)

DiLLeMaN (324946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290259)

Appstore items are binaries for the ARM architecture that runs the iPhone/iPod Touch. Dashboard widgets are HTML(like)/Javascript contraptions running on PPC and x86 machines.

Apple already has a central repository for Dashboard widgets, so why would they move all that to iTunes?

OTOH, if they limited iPhone-apps-on-Dashboard support to recent Macbooks, they'd only have one architecture (x86) to worry about, for which they already have the ARM emulation software running (iPhone dev kit), the touchpads already do multitouch, and AFAIK those machines also have an accelerometer on board.

It's a stretch, though, and a large one at that.

Re:I don't see it (1)

psetzer (714543) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289583)

Tablets didn't fail so much as tablet PCs failed. Stuff like cell phones, GPS units, book readers, personal media players, PDAs, smart remote controls and the like are all quite successful and available as small tablets, but they're not PCs. Designing a bigger and better one of those is more natural than trying to make a laptop usable without a keyboard.

Marry everything into an iTablet? (1)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289239)

Would this mean that iPhone (iTablet?) would also come out with a 9" model? If it could be plugged in, ran MacOS X, MS Office, and other apps, I would buy it in an iBlink (okay, mod me down, I couldn't help myself ;).

It would be a true ultraportable for a road warrior. No, it wouldn't replace a laptop, but for many quick trips and presentations, it would be totally sufficient. For some presentations where two machines are required, it could save the need for the second laptop. It would make a difference when traveling.

Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (3, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289261)

To worry about if OSNews [osnews.com] and Gizmodo [gizmodo.com] are right. The company has built up the "cult of Jobs" over the years to almost mythic status, and if they are right and Steve Jobs is dying and isn't long for this world the stock price is going down the crapper.

While you,I,and the guys here at Slashdot know that one guys does not a company make, too many of the press and public have built up the "Steve=Apple" mythos and it will slaughter their stock price. They should have been diffusing this for years instead of milking it to add to the "Apple Cool" branding. The only way I can see them not getting blasted all to hell in the market if Steve is really dying is to bring back the Woz to keep the mythos lovers happy while they have him "groom" a successor to the throne. Otherwise 2009 could mean some seriously bad times for Apple ahead.

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (2, Insightful)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289343)

I love Woz to death, but if Jobs gets hit by a bus and they install Woz as chairman/CEO, I will spend my sainted mother's last dime shorting AAPL.

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289415)

Just like if they don't do something that stupid it's probably a great time to go long on AAPL since there will be a bounce after people realize the world does not end for them without the sainted one.

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (1)

TheoMurpse (729043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289403)

it will slaughter their stock price

Isn't that what a bunch of guys who "know better" (e.g., OSNews and Gizmodo guys) would want? If the stock price tanks without any reason (excluding public perception), that would be a bargain just sitting there, ready for we "in the know" people to snatch it up.

AAPL is 85.35/share as I type this. Can you imagine if it dropped to 30 for one day after he died*? Buy low, and it will surely go back up to 70 very soon. You'd double your money with basically no risk whatsoever!

* I hope Steve Jobs isn't sick, and I hope he lives longer. I never wish death on anyone.

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289437)

Isn't that what a bunch of guys who "know better" (e.g., OSNews and Gizmodo guys) would want? If the stock price tanks without any reason (excluding public perception), that would be a bargain just sitting there, ready for we "in the know" people to snatch it up.

Also, Apple's abrupt withdrawal of participation in a conference as big as MacWorld will have built a massive heap of resentment among people who understand public relations and industry politics. I wouldn't put it past the show's organizers, who are now financially screwed, to spread as much anti-Apple FUD as they possibly can, just out of spite. /say, did you hear that Jobs is a child molester who eats puppies, shits dioxin, and votes Republican?

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (3, Insightful)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289413)

These Job's health things have been rebutted many, many times. I know they have recently resurfaced but they are still BS. Apple has wanted out of Macworld for years, at least since the Boston rebellion.

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289755)

The removal of the keynote is a troubling sign - not for Jobs' health but rather his future with the company. The launch of the unibodies was unprecedented in how much face-time the other execs got vs. how little Jobs got, and there's no reason Jobs would do such a thing except to roll out the carpet for his own departure.

I have no doubt about it, Apple needs a personality figurehead like Jobs. Ive isn't it, God knows Schiller isn't it... who is?

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289911)

Jonathan Ive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ive

Don't know if he can lead a cult like Jobs can, but he can replace him as the one that chooses the designs people like.

Living Autopsy (1)

meehawl (73285) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289765)

Mr Jobs had a "Whipple", an operation best described as a living autopsy. Most of his GI system has been removed. He is also a pancreatic cancer survivor (albeit a neuroendocrine-derived neoplasm). I'd call that more than a little "health thing"

Re:Living Autopsy (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289931)

Your post would be more dramatic if you used a few BOLD CAPS!. E.g

Mr Jobs had a "Whipple", an operation best described as a LIVING AUTOPSY!

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289903)

While you,I,and the guys here at Slashdot know that one guys does not a company make,

I'm of two minds. Steve went on to make Pixar and NeXT. He's good at business and entertainment, clearly.

OTOH, when Apple bought NeXT, it basically was the bigger company paying the smaller company to lead it, with all NeXT executives, presumably groomed by Steve, to lead Apple.

I seen computer products Jobs had his direct input on. They were not pretty or good. He's not a designer, like Jonathon Ives (who has his own misses like the desklamp iMac a few years back). But once he has some distance, he knows what doesn't work, a critiquer. That's his strength. Probably why a lot of good products come out of Apple, he kills the bullshit short and tells people what they are doing is crap.

I imagine a NeXT executive or Ives could lead the company well, but Steve's shoes will be enormous. His legend will be even bigger once he's gone. Hopefully the drive won't be.

The only way I can see them not getting blasted all to hell in the market if Steve is really dying is to bring back the Woz to keep the mythos lovers happy while they have him "groom" a successor to the throne.

What the hell you want Woz as CEO? He's a nice guy, a great guy, actually. And that's exactly the problem.

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290141)

I did NOT say put Woz as CEO, reread my post. I was talking about simply bringing Woz in to put in front of the cameras at places like Macworld until they built up enough steam around a new guy which Woz would "groom"(translation-Woz would introduce and be all buddy like with to get the press and bloggers on their side) while this guy would be the ACTUAL CEO. I never said Woz should run the company.

But if bringing back Woz to shove in front of the cameras gave them the excuse to run a few of Woz's old ideas up the flagpole, like say, a few expansions slots on the Mac Mini? Or maybe a midline Mini Pro with more slots to fill the hole in the mid price between the ultra expensive Mac Pros and the cheap Mini? That IMHO would be a great idea and not only get rid of any clones but give them a chance to really expand their markets. Nobody expects them to compete with the cheap Windows laptops, but there is still good money to be had in desktops and a LOT of Windows users hate Vista. The Mini is too tiny and has no easy way to add a card later on and the Pro is too high for most to afford and is frankly overkill for a home user.

So some of the Woz's ideas like expandable desktops would be a good way to add buzz and show that the company still had new ideas if Jobs is really checking out. And the Woz is lovable and GREAT in front of the camera. But like I said I was NOT saying he should be CEO. Just that he should be brought on as a kind of "consultant" while they built up buzz around the new guy. And I think this would work without killing their stock price. And by bringing out a couple of new desktops designs that incorporate some of Woz's "ideas" they would show the press and those that believe "Steve=Apple" that the Woz was on the case and keep a panic from driving down stock price. I really think it would work. Hell it might even make the stock climb if done right.

Re:Apple is going to have a hell of a lot more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26290033)

Steve just has to record a few keynotes in advance, and they will play them annualy, like the messages of Harry Seldon in Fondation series.

Star Trek (1)

IamReck (1268298) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289265)

Once these come out, I hope there will be an application that makes it look like the Data Pads they have in Star Trek.

i gladly would (1)

hpavc (129350) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289373)

i would buy one if it was larger and a kindle-done-right device assuming the battery life wasn't stupid.

There is much hate here (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289375)

Let me introduce you to the cool iPod Touch/iPhone keyboard: It's here [thinkgeek.com] . Any questions?

I asked my 15 y.o. son, is your iPod Touch a computer? His answer: yeah, but it needs a thing to type on that I can take with me and the batteries burn out too fast. Well, here you go son: a solution to half your problem. For the other half let me suggest you don't geek so much? (I know... but I'm allowed to be hypocritical. He's my kid.)

Re:There is much hate here (1)

kklein (900361) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289969)

Um, the iPhone doesn't have BT keyboard support.

Times are changing (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289407)

Times are changing faster than they used to. Many things are becoming possible that once weren't.

It's an exciting time. Enjoy it.

Mmm, pixelly resolution goodness... (3, Insightful)

nick_davison (217681) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289419)

"The difference now is the iTunes app store, which has thousands of games and other applications that are perfect for a touch screen device with an accelerometer."

No. The app has thousands of games and other applications that display 480x320 which looks great on a 3.5 inch screen.

At 163ppi, they look great.

Run those same resolutions on a screen with 2x (7 inch) or 2.5x (9 inch) resolution and you're looking at 60-80ppi of massively pixelated crap.

A 9 inch touchscreen with iPhone/iPod touch style OS-X and the same 163ppi resolution makes for a really interesting alternative to the netbook market. Stop hobbling the bluetooth so you can use their bluetooth keyboard when you want to type a lot and it's a fascinating package.

But the app store's catalog remains completely useless unless they come up with a way for resolution to upscale. Granted, I've not written anything for it, but I'm guessing most apps are written with a 480x320 assumption and no scaling, no multi-resolution icons, graphics, etc. bundled in to the downloads, etc. Apple would need to get the means for updating apps to support that out to developers way in advance of a larger Touch release if they wanted the app store to carry any value beyond to show off how bad apps could look... something that would harm the reputation of the device far more than help it.

Re:Mmm, pixelly resolution goodness... (4, Insightful)

Serious Callers Only (1022605) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289671)

But the app store's catalog remains completely useless unless they come up with a way for resolution to upscale. Granted, I've not written anything for it, but I'm guessing most apps are written with a 480x320 assumption and no scaling, no multi-resolution icons, graphics, etc. bundled in to the downloads, etc. Apple would need to get the means for updating apps to support that out to developers way in advance of a larger Touch release if they wanted the app store to carry any value beyond to show off how bad apps could look... something that would harm the reputation of the device far more than help it.

By default apps are laid out with buttons etc tied to one edge in interface builder and sometimes with flexible spaces in between, so interfaces would just expand. They'd probably need a bit of tweaking but not as much as you imply.

Games would be the main area which might have problems if they assume a certain screen width or need to upsize their textures. If they do this right and pre-announce then give developers a few months lead time, they could easily get most content from the app store working at a higher resolution.

Take the example of the google maps app - toolbars at top and bottom will just be wider, with bigger gaps between buttons. Perhaps they could move some stuff from that god-awful miscellany page accessed with the little page curl onto the main toolbar, but otherwise, it would function perfectly well, just drawing more map at a time. They're unlikely to have hardcoded in screen-sizes, because you can ask for the screen size, and often the view is given a rect to draw into, rather than specifically requesting a rect. Buttons on the auxiliary functions screen might be too wide, depending on how they have them set - probably not though.

Or take the mail app - the mail rows would just be a bit wider, probably the same height and just showing more in the screen. Toolbars and nabar will just expand and have more blank space.

That's with no extra work on the developers' part - these apps would work pretty well, with only a few minor tweaks required depending on how they're set up.

This isn't such a big issue if the transition is handled right.

Some have claimed resolution issues mean iPhoneOS and UIxxx won't be used for a tablet , and they'd have to use OS X and AppKit, but I think UIKit shows signs of being flexible enough to cope with many screen sizes - most of it could be used fine on a desktop OS and reads like a clean-up of the desktop APIs (it may be that later cocoa is relegated to a compatability layer, along with all those other APIs before it).

The really important feature for a tablet would be reading - reading websites, reading email, reading newspapers (though those are really a subset of websites nowadays), and reading books. I'd buy it just for that, but it worries me that Apple would try to be the single gatekeeper for data as Amazon have done with the Kindle.

If they keep to an iTunes music model of allowing users to copy their own books on there via iTunes, and tie in with someone like gutenberg for classics, they could have this sewn up in no time. But I'd rather they just opened it up and let developers copy data into their sandbox - then we won't be stuck with one app for a vital function (mail.app, I'm looking at you).

The big thing that the iPhone OS is missing at the moment is a way to get arbitrary user data onto the device for sandboxed apps - if they address that (and the bluetooth issue you mentioned), it'd be a great reading device, and perhaps even one for writing on.

I already commented, so I can't... (1)

DiLLeMaN (324946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290325)

Please mod parent into the stratosphere of insightfulness. Thank you.

Re:Mmm, pixelly resolution goodness... (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289773)

Apple shot itself in the foot with the SDK, giving devs no clear roadmap of how resolutions will scale in the future. I have absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of apps in the store as it is will go completely haywire at any other resolution, too much hardcoding.

Besides, the majority of the iPhone's UI components would not fit well onto a 7" screen even if properly upscaled. The cells for each contact in your contact list, for example, is MASSIVE for easy tapping. They would be *four times larger by area* on the new rumored device, which makes it simply pointless, your finger hasn't gotten any bigger.

A device that runs vanilla iPhone apps in full-screen mode is an impossibility. Maybe something that is capable of running both iPhone and Mac desktop apps at once, that would be very interesting as a hybrid. Something that is location-aware, able to tap into the massive amount of "convenience" mobile apps that have made it into the store, with the productivity of a full laptop. I would pay for that.

Re:Mmm, pixelly resolution goodness... (3, Interesting)

lxt (724570) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290235)

Actually, the SDK is quite specific that you *shouldn't* hardcode screen resolutions, and provides methods to call to get the current dimensions of the screen. Obviously more advanced programs will need a rewrite - particularly games and other graphic intensive apps - but many more mundane applications already scale between two resolutions (horizontal and vertical positioning).

Re:Mmm, pixelly resolution goodness... (1)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 5 years ago | (#26290279)

Run those same resolutions on a screen with 2x (7 inch) or 2.5x (9 inch) resolution and you're looking at 60-80ppi of massively pixelated crap.

On a device of that size, they can afford to have more processing power (and battery capacity to match), so perhaps they can extend the GUI allowing these apps to run windowed, in parallel. That would make sense on a device with a screen of that size.

Speculation (4, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289447)

Speculation is not news and should not be on /.. The are enough Apple-centered websites with discussions like this.

Re:Speculation (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289945)

The larger iPod touch is a bit like the fairies in Peter Pan. The more people believe in them the more likely they are to exist. People on the Mac sites believe very passionately but they are small in number. Slashdotters are more heretic ... I mean skeptical but they are more numerous. That is why it was posted here.

Why it'll be GREAT, new input technologies (4, Insightful)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289449)

The reason why it'll be really cool/great is because of the new input technologies which it'll have.

Remember, what makes Apple products unique are not their increasingly commodity hardware but the USER INTERFACE. I believe the user interface is THE major reason for the iPhone/iPod Touch's success (look at the Xmas sales figures). It is because of Apple's ability to take advantage of the touch screen and accelerometer. Not the hardware but things like the "pinch zoom" and "swipe" and landscape/portrait mode detection.

To really see how people have taken advantage of these features, play some of the many many games available for this PLATFORM.

Now Apple has (hopefully) the opportunity to take these ideas even further. A 7-9" iPod Touch would make a passable netbook; that is a decent device for doing most CASUAL computing tasks. (many complaints about the tiny "keyboard" on the iPhone would go away). Where it would excel in would be in the new applications (10,000+ strong in the AppStore, close to 500 MILLION downloads) that take REAL advantage of the new input technologies. A lot of these applications, particularly the creative ones (sound and paint programs for example) would benefit substantially from more screen real-estate. And think of the games!

So that could be Apple's answer to the netbooks. Using its (I know, I know) proprietary technologies it could bring these new technologies together in a way that is cohesive, fun and easy to use. That's the advantage of totally controlling the hardware and software. Unfortunately without this control, open source projects and (to a lesser extent) Microsoft have to aim at the lowest common denominator and can only copy what Apple pioneers.

Re:Why it'll be GREAT, new input technologies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289483)

Your ideas are INTRIGUING to me AND I WISH to subscribe TO YOUR blog.

Re:Why it'll be GREAT, new input technologies (1)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289499)

SORRY I became A BIT of a LOUDMOUTH during this years PRESIDENTIAL election. :)

Re:Why it'll be GREAT, new input technologies (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289779)

Bah, I call bull. Apple's *initial* success is always based on user interface. The iPhone was (and in most ways still is) at the top of the UI heap for phones, and likewise the iPod kicked the shit out of anything else on the market at the time. The keyword here is "at the time". If you look at the iPods, there have not been any significant UI improvements to it since it was first rolled out - cover flow was not even a hotly demanded feature, and seems underused by most people.

Apple uses *really really good* UI to capture market share, after which they really just put the brakes on and try to ride off that success. The only reason the "iPod" got a spiffy new UI is courtesy of the iPhone.

Just look at OS X - no new revolutionary UI since 10.0. Everything remains the same, except now we have multiple swipe gestures. Cool, useful, but hardly industry-leading.

Re:Why it'll be GREAT, new input technologies (2, Insightful)

kklein (900361) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289987)

You seem to be implying that companies should change their UI frequently... Soo... I mean... MS Office 2007 is all I'm sayin'...

Seriously, when I went back to the Mac after 10 years off the platform last year, part of what I really appreciated was that so little of the UI had changed since System 8.5 that I just sat right back down, found the things that had changed since 10, and went to work. The fact that they get a great UI from the start and then leave it alone is one of the best things Apple has going for it.

One more example of what happens when you don't do that: MS designed the "blade" interface for the Xbox 360. It won design awards. It was quick, easy, and intuitive to use. Everything from the most basic to most advanced options were easy to find. I, for one, loved it, and I can't remember the last time I actually liked a MS product.

Then they updated it. Now I can't find anything and I have to shuffle through a seemingly endless pile of 3D frames, half of which seem to be ads, to use my machine. It's preposterous. You know what they should have done to improve the UI? Nothing. When you nailed it, you nailed it.

Newer is far from always better.

Re:Why it'll be GREAT, new input technologies (2, Funny)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289923)

you don't even know if there is a new product and your already proclaiming it'll be great?? apple zealots just over took linux zealots.

mod 3Own (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289465)

empire in decline, of business anD Keep unnecessary are at^tending a Can connect to one common goal - Practical purposes Since then. More visions going

An 'on/off' switch would be nice. (0, Redundant)

B5_geek (638928) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289501)

Disclaimer: I have used an iTouch for 5 minutes.

Some nice possibilities with a larger screen is landscape-mode movies. The PSP works/looks great as a movie player because the screen size is almost perfect for mobile movie/TV watching. I imagine the auto-orientation feature of the iPhone would make a nice "auto-launch" macro for starting the movie viewing application.

One nit I would like to pick or suggest is to include an on/off switch and an external speaker for alarm and/or schedule notifications. I played with an iTouch for 5 minutes and could not figure out how to turn it off. I pinched. poked, prodded, pulled, tossed, and left it alone in the hope that it would shut-off. It's not likely that I will ever buy one (I hate touch-screen and need buttons for operating the device while not looking at it.)

Re:An 'on/off' switch would be nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26289585)

>One nit I would like to pick or suggest is to include an on/off switch and an external speaker for alarm and/or schedule notifications

...the Touch has had both of these since the first hardware revision (okay, technically the speaker is internal).

Re:An 'on/off' switch would be nice. (2, Informative)

S'harien (779928) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289673)

Press the power button on the top, it should go right to sleep. You don't really power it down much, but if you needed to then hold that button down for about 10 seconds, it'll ask you to confirm and then actually shut off. There is a built-in speaker, but it has a low max volume and is basically not useful for much besides hearing alarms. Watching movies or listening to music through it is painful.

Re:An 'on/off' switch would be nice. (1)

powerspike (729889) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289681)

There is an on/off switch, hold the top button (or was it both buttons?) for 3-4 seconds, and it'll ask if you want to turn if off...

Seriously, they are catoring to mac users, a 3rd button would just simily confuse the poor critters.

GPS (1)

Cantus (582758) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289605)

If it doesn't come with GPS, I don't want it. I passed on the original iPod touch because it didn't come with GPS. Oh, and I don't want a gadget like this to receive phone calls, that's why I didn't get the iPhone in the first place.

Maybe it'd be a good chance to demo... (1)

Laser_iCE (1125271) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289637)

this [slashdot.org] ?

I'd rather capacity (1)

unfunk (804468) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289675)

I'd like an iPod Touch, I really would. However, but 80GB iPod 5.5G can hold a metric fuckload more data than any of the iTouches available, so I'm sticking with it.
Why bother with a 9" screen when you can only have a handful of movies & TV shows that can take full advantage of it?

Wake me up when they put hard drives in iTouches.

Seriously, where's the market ? (1)

powerspike (729889) | more than 5 years ago | (#26289689)

Well the macbook air is really the mac net book isn't it ?
and well a 7/9 itouch would be completey useless for normal day to day useage... UNLESS..

It was the size of a itouch now (ie fits in pocket), can be used as is, and mabye folds out into full size some how.

first Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26290089)

200 runn1ng NT

a pattern (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26290161)

Newton then eMate, ipod touch then ? bigger iPod touch?

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