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Bordeaux 1.6 For FreeBSD and PC-BSD Released

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the old-wine-in-new-cellars dept.

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Tom Wickline writes "Steven Edwards of the Bordeaux Technology Group released Bordeaux 1.6 for FreeBSD and PC-BSD today. Bordeaux 1.6 comes with added support for Google's Chrome Web Browser, Google Earth, and Google Picasa. In addition, Cellar support has improved; you can now delete and install into an existing Cellar. There have also been many small bug fixes and tweaks on the backend to improve the speed and reliability of all the supported applications."

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And all 14 *BSD users rejoiced! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26299923)

BSD is dead.

Re:And all 14 *BSD users rejoiced! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300263)

It is with great sadness that I bring you this news: *BSD is dead.

It was at 4:25am early on the morning of December 30th 2008 that, after many failed attempts to resuscitate the dying OS, *BSD finally passed away. While *BSD has been in it's death throes for many months now and it's death has been foreseen for many years, this is still a very sad moment; a great loss for OS dilettante dabblers and *BSD lovers the world over.

Though *BSD has passed away, it will surely be fondly remembered for years to come by users, developers, and trolls alike. Even if you didn't enjoy using *BSD, there's no denying it's contributions to popular OS culture. Truly a Berkeley icon. It will be missed :(

WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (1, Troll)

jonasj (538692) | more than 5 years ago | (#26299947)

WTF is this doing on the frontpage? This looks like some proprietary wine ripoff. Don't buy from these, buy from Codeweavers instead!

(I had guessed that this was posted by kdawson before i looked...)

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (1)

icydog (923695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300037)

Actually, this seems to be similar to Winetools. It sounds like it just makes installing stuff easier through a wizard or scripts or some such. People actually pay $20 for that?

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26301273)

No, people pay for Virus called Antivirus 2009...

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (2, Interesting)

neowolf (173735) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300061)

I don't think Codeweavers officially supports BSD, which is what this is about.

I am kind of tired of what amounts to blatant advertising as Slashdot posts though.

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300083)

This looks like some proprietary wine ripoff. Don't buy from these, buy from Codeweavers instead!

a) Codeweavers is a "proprietary wine ripoff", too.
b) Using the wine sources in accordance with their licence is not a "rip-off"; it's one of the uses the developers intended (had they not, wine would have been under the GPL or a similar licence instead).

That being said, yeah, I agree that this is a blatant advertising post that shouldn't be on Slashdot at all, let alone on the front page. But I guess in these troubled economic times, kdawson needs any extra income he can lay his grubby little hands on.

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300601)

That explains why he was sucking dick on Wednesday night in the bus station bathroom. Doesn't explain why he wasn't charging for it.

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300245)

It's just another slashvertisement, surely you're used to this kind of crap by now?

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300593)

It's too bad that Slashdot's tagging code doesn't seem to work in Chrome, or I'd tag this kdawsonsucks [slashdot.org] like so many other articles have been tagged.

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 5 years ago | (#26308695)

Because as everybody knows Codeweavers fully supports FreeBSD 7.x, wait, you say that it's very early stages and doesn't actually run on any of the recent versions?

Seriously, a lot of people would be more than happy to buy from them if they'd ship something that actually works. Right now most of us would have to dual boot to use a beta version. Which unless I misunderstand the point makes it useless for most people. They may as well just boot into Linux at that point. Or even Windows.

Re:WTF is this doing on the frontpage? (2, Interesting)

fgouget (925644) | more than 5 years ago | (#26318605)

Because as everybody knows Codeweavers fully supports FreeBSD 7.x, wait, you say that it's very early stages and doesn't actually run on any of the recent versions?

Although CodeWeavers doesn't officially support FeeeBSD, we are unofficially relatively active on the FreeBSD front. See bug 16023 [winehq.org] for instance.

Interestingly, based on the wine-patches.tar.gz [bordeauxgroup.com] posted on Bordeaux's page, they don't use my work, which means they don't work on recent FreeBSD either (or the binaries they distribute don't match the source they publish which would be contrary to the LGPL).

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26299949)

Some explanation in the summary of what Bordeaux is would be nice.

Re:What? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300003)

A Bordeaux wine is any wine produced in the Bordeaux region of France. Average vintages produce over 700 million bottles of Bordeaux wine, although in good vintages, this total can exceed over 900 million, ranging from large quantities of everyday table wine, to some of the most expensive and prestigious wines in the world.

Re:What? (5, Informative)

slugtastic (1437569) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300023)

The Bordeaux Technology Group is a software services and development company specializing in Windows compatibility software. Users of Linux systems from time to time find themselves in the need to run specialized Windows software. The Bordeaux suite enables access to these programs and data in a seamless and low cost manner without requiring licensing of Microsoft Technology.

Read more... [bordeauxgroup.com]

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300029)

The "editors" can't even bother to fix blatantly obvious typos. I doubt they have the cognitive capacity to actually do anything other than click "Accept" or "Reject".

And wtf is Bordeaux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26299995)

You could give some indication of what this program is for and why this is interesting.

terrible, terrible write-up (4, Insightful)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300049)

Unless we are talking about an extremely popular app (Linux, Firefox), the first or second line of the summary should tell what the hell the app is!!

I am amazed that the slashdot editors still don't get this after so many years.

Re:terrible, terrible write-up (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300367)

...what the hell the app is!! I am amazed that the slashdot editors still don't get this after so many years.

one wishes the message would get through to the F/OSS developer as well. meaningful and memorable names give your project a leg-up.

Re:terrible, terrible write-up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300385)

Well, when you have both the Wine and FreeBSD logos on the right, and the app is called Bordeaux, it doesn't take a lot of thinking to figure it out...

Re:terrible, terrible write-up (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300563)

That's a weak excuse, especially since not everyone has the logos turned on.

Eh, it works (1)

rs79 (71822) | more than 5 years ago | (#26301481)

" Unless we are talking about an extremely popular app (Linux, Firefox), the first or second line of the summary should tell what the hell the app is!"

Eh, I dunno. I don't know the names of most of the Linux oriented stuff, but as a BSD guy if it says "Bordeaux" and "BSD" in the same line, I know what it is.

If you make it easier for non-BSD people to understand this stuff maybe the same courtesy could be paid for this so call popular linux app thing as well. Fair is fair?

I don't even care if it's an ad. I actually want to read it (unlike the, say, Microsoft banner ads)

Linux isn't an app. (1)

spaceturtle (687994) | more than 5 years ago | (#26309135)

It is a kernel. Just FYI. This would have to be the first time any Slashdot* reader has needed Linux (or BSD) to be defined

* When I said I used Linux, I once got the response "So, do you really have sex on it?". This was not on Slashdot though

Re:terrible, terrible write-up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26309229)

It's the 1.6 version of Fedora Core 5. Duh.

Glad to see that FreeBSD users can now run Fedora!

No TLA's required (1)

KlaymenDK (713149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300057)

I am surprised at how Tom succeeds in writing a blurb that is extremely difficult to understand (unless you already know what's being discussed, which I don't); primarily because, at this level of lack of understanding, I had expected a much higher three letter abbreviation-to-actual word ration. Bravo! ;-)

Oh, and happy new year, everyone.

Re:No TLA's required (2, Insightful)

KlaymenDK (713149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300131)

...and yes, I do understand that it's a fun pun for a WINE uh...derivative? clone? subcomponent?

The web site lacks a proper About page, and none of the press release and other stuff really explains what the difference is between this and plain WINE.

Re:No TLA's required (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26303001)

You're fucking retarded.

From the page linked in the summary:

About BordeauxGroup, Inc.:
The Bordeaux Technology Group is a software services and development company specializing in Windows compatibility software. Users of BSD systems from time to time find themselves in the need to run specialized Windows software. The Bordeaux suite enables access to these programs and data in a seamless and low cost manner without requiring licensing of Microsoft Technology. The Bordeaux Group also provides migration services and support for alternative operating systems specializing in Windows compatibility.

There is a multitude of software developed only for the Windows operating system and even when software vendors port thier applications to another platform, generally it lacks features that the Windows version contains. The only solution these developers face is to have access to both systems for testing which leads to increased infrastructure demands, and wasted project resources. If you are vendor interested in supporting your application on BSD or a software user that needs to run a Windows application on BSD, we can help.

Bordeaux for BSD is a trademark of the Bordeaux Group, Incorporated. Windows is a registered trademark, and Office is a trademark, of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and other countries. Photoshop is a trademark of Adobe in the United States and/or other countries. All other trademarks and registered trademarks are owned by their respective companies.

Re:No TLA's required (1)

twickline (1203168) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311219)

I am surprised at how Tom succeeds in writing a blurb that is extremely difficult to understand (unless you already know what's being discussed, which I don't); primarily because, at this level of lack of understanding, I had expected a much higher three letter abbreviation-to-actual word ration. Bravo! ;-)

Oh, and happy new year, everyone.

What part is hard to understand?

Calling Doctor Relevant (0)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300105)

A random app released for PC-BSD? Woohoo!

Re:Calling Doctor Relevant (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300829)

Calling Doctor Relevant

He can't reply, /. apparently has a restraining order against him.

FreeBSD is Dying. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300189)

It is now official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:FreeBSD is Dying. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300195)

Anonymous troll is repetitive. Do you manually post this to every BSD post, or is it automated?

Re:FreeBSD is Dying. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300269)

You must be new here.

Re:FreeBSD is Dying. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26300877)

I think that cisco, juniper networks, apple(MacOSX is a BSD OS in all respects) and yahoo would disagree...

Microsoft itself would disagree, considering the amount of BSD code they appear to integrate into their software.

Re:FreeBSD is Dying. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26308247)

Microsoft itself would disagree, considering the amount of BSD code they appear to integrate into their software.

And I've got a kidney that used to belong to a guy who was killed in a car wreck. Kidney works great. Doesn't make the previous owner any less dead, though.

Google Earth? (2, Informative)

bcmm (768152) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300311)

Google Earth has been written in Qt with a native Linux version for quite some time now. Wouldn't it be easier to use the Linux version? I thought FreeBSD had extensive compatibility layers for running Linux executable built-in, and a Linux Qt application would look and feel more native.

Re:Google Earth? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#26300599)

There's a very nice Linux version of Picasa as well.

Re:Google Earth? (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 5 years ago | (#26301649)

Isn't that "Linux" version of Picasa reliant on Wine?

Re:Google Earth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26302565)

which actually includes its own Wine distribution (taylored). anyway so this means that Bordeaux does the exact same job as the official Picasa distribution, but probably not as well :P hhahah

Re:Google Earth? (1)

fgouget (925644) | more than 5 years ago | (#26318619)

There's a very nice Linux version of Picasa as well.

Indeed. It's been ported to Linux by CodeWeavers (working for Google) using Wine.

Re:Google Earth? (2, Interesting)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#26310025)

Google Earth has been written in Qt with a native Linux version for quite some time now. Wouldn't it be easier to use the Linux version?

Wait, does that actually run now? Last I heard it wasn't even beta quality.

Also, YMMV but I've had better luck running Windows apps in Wine on Linux than I have running Linux apps (through compatibility) on FreeBSD (even ones that are supposed to work, like Flash).

Re:Google Earth? (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 5 years ago | (#26310971)

Yeah, I use Google Earth regularly and it works just fine for me. The current version for Windows, Mac and Linux is 4.3 now, so the cross-platform 4.x series is no longer unstable.

There's not really much to go wrong in porting it: the API's it uses are Qt and OpenGL. It's a shame they can't be bothered to put in a couple of days to port it to FreeBSD properly really.

My only complaint is that they insist on statically linking Qt, which makes GE slower to start and means it won't use the system widget theme.

Re:Google Earth? (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#26352829)

Ah cool, thanks. I'll have to try that out.

What does it do? Booze mapping? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26302033)

WTF is this app? The summary sounds like you can use it to map out locations and the inventory of wine cellars around the world. I suppose it would come in handy for the post-apocalyptic booze hound.

Meh. (2, Interesting)

Deagol (323173) | more than 5 years ago | (#26302999)

Seems to be an add-on to WINE? This page [bordeauxgroup.com] tells you to install WINE. Then you install Bordeaux. No docs for FreeBSD, as far as I can tell.

Since it relies on WINE, I guess those of us who run a pure 64-bit environment are still screwed. If I wanted to pay money and be tied to i386, I'd drop my money on Win4BSD -- assuming it works as well as it did on Linux (Win4Lin) when I tried it a few years back.

It's a bit of a bummer, as FreeBSD's PC emulation options are limited. AFAIK, Qemu is the only viable option right now, but it has known issues with crashing under FreeBSD/amd64 with certain (most) Windows versions. Hopefully VirtualBox will be made to run under FreeBSD in the near future.

Re:Meh. (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#26310031)

Thank you. That's the closest I've seen to an actual explanation of WTF Bordeaux is, and I spent several minutes poking around their site. I knew it had *something* to do with Wine, but their site is about the least informative thing I can remember reading recently.

Re:Meh. (1)

twickline (1203168) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311259)

Bordeaux runs the same on FreeBSD as Linux, I guess I could add some screenshots of Bordeaux running on FreeBSD.. Oh hold on they are here : http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/bordeaux/bordeaux-for-freebsd-coming-soon.html [wine-reviews.net]

Re:Meh. (1)

Deagol (323173) | more than 5 years ago | (#26314773)

Yes, but since it relies on WINE, it will not be usable by those who run a FreeBSD/amd64 environment due to the fact that WINE itself doesn't run under such an environment.

I realize that this is a "fault" of FreeBSD, since WINE uses a certain system call that isn't available in 64-bit mode. (Or something like that.) All I know for sure is that 64-bit FreeBSD users have been clamoring for WINE for years, it's a well-known issue, and that a fix is nowhere in sight (probably because the FreeBSD developers -- rightfully so -- have better fish to fry).

Linux fanboys restrain yourselfs (1, Flamebait)

synthespian (563437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26304195)

Seems every time a company chooses to support FreeBSD, Linux fanboys come to /. to diss it. Linux fanboys are usually freeloaders, academics, or religious zealots of the Church of Stallman.

It's very good that there are companies developing for FreeBSD.

We need to have a software ecosystem from small software houses and I feel this will never happen with linux due to the GPL.

Re:Linux fanboys restrain yourselfs (1)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 5 years ago | (#26306999)

Seems every time a company chooses to support FreeBSD, Linux fanboys come to /. to diss it. Linux fanboys are usually freeloaders, academics, or religious zealots of the Church of Stallman..

I believe most of the comments have been along the lines of "What the hell is Bordeaux?" because the summary doesn't say what it does. As for the "fanboys" (an unfair, derogatory term in this context); Linux users are quite welcome to be "freeloaders" since the software itself is free and code contribution is not a requisite to using it; Academics make up an extremely small, but relatively useful part of the Linux community, when I worked for a university, I wrote some pretty interesting and useful software (all open source). As for Stallman, most Linux users are quite embarrassed by him, which is sad because his only real crime is his commitment to his ideology, which shouldn't be a thing to be ridiculed. Otherwise he's a hard working, passionate and intelligent guy (and this is coming from a guy who writes proprietary software and RMS would personally hate).

We need to have a software ecosystem from small software houses and I feel this will never happen with linux due to the GPL.

That's an interesting feeling, particularly since many small software companies already do support Linux. The company I work for (15 programmers or so) makes closed source, proprietary software that runs on Linux. The GPL doesn't obstruct us since we can run on Linux just fine without using GPLed code.

I will say something about BSD, the FreeBSD development team has a good sense of pragmatism in how they write software and are happy to let the jackasses go off and do their thing while they set to work writing good code. However out of those who have switched to the various BSDs in the last ten years, the majority have been looking for a political crusade more than an operating system. Not so much something to abstract and manage their hardware, but something to defend to other nerds (of which, more don't use BSD than don't use Linux). I think the saying that: "Linux users hate Windows, BSD users love Unix" does not apply anymore. The BSD users I've met seem to love attacking Linux, attacking other BSDs and sometimes even praising Windows for shock value, with far more fury than I've ever heard a Linux user over 20 years old bash anything. Sure, if you're a BSD user that I haven't met it may not apply to you and of course there are plenty of stupid jackasses in the Linux world as well, but saying Linux users are comparatively a bunch of fanboy trolls just flies in the face or reality.

Re:Linux fanboys restrain yourselfs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26307263)

Yeah, because the license hasn't contributed anything towards the success of Linux at all.

Developer Laments: "What Killed FreeBSD" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26306779)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

Future

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

--

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt

Why Use Proprietary Wine? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26309195)

I don't mind the proprietary Wine vendors. However I am mystified by how they often claim Wine is difficult to install and configure. Any Free/Open Source OS likely already has excellent tools to help users download and install Wine (I know mine does). If that's the only problem these vendors solve then are they just making money off spreading FUD or is there some other force driving their (presumed) profits?

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