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Hackers Finally Unlock iPhone 3G

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the information-and-iphones-want-to-be-free dept.

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nandemoari quotes a story at Infopackets: "2009 has gotten off to a great start for a team of iPhone enthusiasts with little regard for Apple's licensing requirements. They've finally figured out a way to get the phone to work with any cell phone carrier (and not just AT&T). The iPhone Dev Team is best known for their work on 'jailbreaking;' the technique of altering an iPhone so that you can run any applications on it, not just those approved by Apple. Given the company's questionable vetting policy for entry to the official App store, it's not surprising many users approve of jailbreaking."

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Finally (4, Interesting)

slugtastic (1437569) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311073)

I can use Opera Mini on my iPhone.

Re:Finally (1, Insightful)

zobier (585066) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311093)

I'm hoping we can get Android fully running (including supporting all hardware devices) on it.

Re:Finally (3, Interesting)

sunnytzu (629976) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311141)

Well, Android has been made able to support all the features of the iPhone (or so it seems), just need some crafty driver developers now.

But the REAL question is... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311385)

What can Gentoo do that Ubuntu can't do?

Re:Finally (4, Informative)

DECS (891519) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312679)

Except for a multitouch screen. And Android doesn't support Bluetooth any better than Apple's nearly worthless level of support.

What exactly do you even have in mind when you say "all the features"? Because the features of the iPhone that are novel are not supported in Android, and those that are nothing special. What sets the iPhone apart is mainly its user interface, its software store, its smart integration into iTunes/iPod stuff. Android offers none of those things. It give users a DIY-UI, a software "store" without security, merchandising, or sales, and no PC connectivity.

Google's Android Platform Faces Five Tough Obstacles [roughlydrafted.com]

Re:Finally (2, Interesting)

sunnytzu (629976) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312733)

Apologies, I had misread regarding Android's capabilities for multitouch. And when I said features, I was of course talking about the hardware.

Re:Finally (0)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311121)

There's an irony that if Apple had selected a secure browser like Opera in the first place it would have been harder to jailbreak the device.

Re:Finally (5, Informative)

schmidt349 (690948) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311189)

Um, you should probably watch the iPhone Dev Team's recent presentation at CCC [google.com] if you want to sound like you have any idea what you're talking about. This wasn't some simple privilege escalation coming out of a buffer overflow in the web browser. Apple signs the shit out of every binary on the phone. The kernel won't execute a binary in userland unless it's signed; the firmware loader won't execute the kernel unless it's signed; the low-level bootloader won't execute the firmware loader unless it's signed.

The iPhone 3G is a paragon of embedded device security, at least by way of making sure unapproved code doesn't run on the device, and it's a testament to just how amazing the iPhone Dev Team guys are that they actually found a way to (a) defeat the whole chain of trust in the iPhone firmware in order to jailbreak it. This by the way doesn't even take into account their real genius, the hack into the baseband firmware for the S-Gold radio device, which executes code in its own universe, completely separate from the S5L application processor.

In short, this hack wasn't some bunch of script kiddies having a sleepover and cracking the copy protection on Arkanoid 2 for the C64. This was a brilliant circumvention of some of the tightest security ever found on a PDA or mobile phone. So please don't disrespect the people who made it possible.

Re:Finally (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311289)

No more coffee for that guy!

This is also an excellent case study (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311313)

In why DRM is retarded. As you say, this is some of the tightest security ever found. Yet, it has been broken by some very smart people. Such is the fate of any DRM that is sufficiently widespread that smart people care to go after it. You can be as clever as you like with your DRM scheme, you are going to find someone as clever as you will likely break it.

Also annoys me since I think some of these technologies are a good idea, if they weren't implemented in an assholish way. Code signing, for example. I really like the idea as a potential security measure for users/administrators. When I download Firefox, the fact that it is signed by Mozilla gives me a pretty high degree of certainty that it is legit, safe code. It's not 100%, of course, someone could break/steal their certificate, or someone inside could sign bad code, or my system could be compromised, but it is a good additional check. Also if anyone trys to break something like that, I'll say they are up to no good.

However when it is implemented in this "You may only run things we bless," well then you are being a jerk. People are going to break it because they want to be able to run their own stuff.

Personally I think Apple should have gone the route of having store with signed code but allowing unsigned code. If you install a signed app from their store, it installs with no question. If it is another app you get a "Warning, this code is unsigned and could be unsafe," box with a button for more info. Ask for more info and it explains that Apple has looked at signed apps and decided they are ok and aren't going to mess up your phone. They haven't looked at unsigned apps so they don't know, and if it messes up your phone they can't really help you.

Yes, that would mean people could have apps that'll mess up your phone... You know just like every other smart phone out there. Doesn't seem to have killed that market, I don't think it'd kill the iPhone.

Fortunately, there are people like this that will break their DRM, so you can use it as you wish.

Re:This is also an excellent case study (4, Interesting)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311773)

As you say, this is some of the tightest security ever found. Yet, it has been broken by some very smart people.

To be fair, at least for the iPhone itself, the DRM wasn't very good. Apple used the same S5L processor and encryption key set on both the iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G. With the iPhone 2G at launch, everything ran as root and a trivial Safari exploit could be used to remote execute code as root - being able to run that code allowed key retrieval. Since Apple did fix the root security issues with iPhone OS 1.1.3 and later with all applications now running as the very limited user Mobile, but since they did not change the keys for the 3G it was not very hard (in the scale of breaking DRM at least) to crack open the firmware of the iPhone 3G and jailbreak that too. The iPhone's primary hardware should not be considered a strong DRM platform because Apple did not properly implement it before it was broken for good.

This of course does not apply to the S-Gold radio; that was completely changed between the iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G, and the Dev Team beating that is indeed an amazing hack. Never the less, it took them 5-6 months to break it, which is actually rather remarkable. This was another case where Apple learned its lesson, as the 2G's radio was not properly secured, either.

Futhermore, if you want to look at an iPhone device properly secured, look at the iPod Touch 2G. Apple did change the keys that time, and so far it has not been possible to break it for 4 months. At a bare minimum, a remote code execution exploit and a local privilege execution exploit must be found in the Touch in order to have a chance at capturing its keys, and that's just to decrypt the firmware. We have no idea what other surprises are on the Touch since no one has made it that far yet.

I'm not entirely convinced that it's impossible to build an unbreakable device. DRM has been getting better over the years, the Xbox 360 still doesn't have a way to execute unsigned code (without hardware modification), for example.

Re:This is also an excellent case study (2, Interesting)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312043)

Good post, but it is impossible to build an unbreakable device simply by definition. If code runs on it, it's breakable, even if it means a brute force code signing "attack". It might take 10,000 years to get the correct key to use in signing, but it's possible. What impresses me is how quickly these guys find a way in. I've done some playing around cracking hardware, for educational purposes of course, and it's nowhere near as easy as they make it seem.

Re:This is also an excellent case study (1)

emlyncorrin (818871) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312387)

It may be impossible to make a theoretically unbreakable device, but that doesn't mean it's practically breakable.
You say yourself that it might take 10,000 years to get the correct key, so if the useful life of the device is say 10 (or even 100) years, it is still practically unbreakable.
And if you can make a device that takes 10,000 years to bruteforce, you can make one that takes 10,000 universe lifetimes...

Re:This is also an excellent case study (3, Insightful)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311845)

How well would it reflect on Apple if some of their most popular apps were unsigned ones?

DRM might actually work for iPhone (4, Informative)

pikine (771084) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312343)

This is also an excellent case study in why DRM is retarded. As you say, this is some of the tightest security ever found. Yet, it has been broken by some very smart people. Such is the fate of any DRM that is sufficiently widespread that smart people care to go after it.

If you watch the video, you'd see the only reason they're able to break it is because the bootrom (initially run by the hardware) is modifiable yet not signature checked. I suppose that's because they want to be able to upgrade the bootrom but signature checking is only implemented in software and not hardware. All the NOR and NAND flash memory and the processor is built inside an integrated chip, so it is possible that future revisions of the chip will also integrate a TPM to verify the signature of bootrom. Let's suppose Apple will do that. You will then have a completely working DRM framework on the iPhone.

TPM doesn't work on PC because you always have access to hardware without TPM, allowing you to run whatever you want and patch the software that requires TPM such as the hackintosh Mac OS X. However, for the iPhone, you can only buy the hardware from Apple that always has TPM on it (or settle for a previous generation iPhone without TPM). The whole point of iPhone craze is that you want to buy iPhone made by Apple, and all the restrictions follow from that, including choice of carrier and applications you can run.

Code signing, for example. I really like the idea as a potential security measure for users/administrators. When I download Firefox, the fact that it is signed by Mozilla gives me a pretty high degree of certainty that it is legit, safe code.

Do you have any means to verify that Firefox certificate is signed by someone you could trust? I could generate a certificate that looks like it's issued by Mozilla, and then sign a tempered copy of Firefox with it. Even if you can verify the mozilla.org certificate, the chain of trust ultimately leads to a root certificate that you must trust. Are you really sure that VeriSign or Thawte or other certificate issuing institutions cannot be compromised? I remember a past Slashdot story about one of the root issuer happily generating certificate for any domain name without verification.

Fortunately, there are people like this that will break their DRM, so you can use it as you wish.

If you have to use Apple's iPhone, your freedom is already automatically compromised, if not now, sooner or later.

Re:Finally (5, Interesting)

xmpcray (636203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311327)

And to add to this, they explicitly say they don't want any donations.

We've seen some comments about you lovely people wanting to donate money to us. We'd just like to say that we DO NOT accept donations. There is no paypal account associated to us, there is no way to donate to us, we do this as a hobby and don't want to be paid and we fund all of this ourselves and it works out just fine.

Anyone who says "donate to DevTeam" in our name is lying, so don't send them anything, you'll just fund their crack habit.

Keep your dough for the lovely shiny Apple products, we think you'll need it.

If you do want to send us something, please send a scan of a postcard from your city, handwrite a nice message scan it and sent it over to blog@iphone-dev.com

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/41744653/donations-to-dev-null [iphone-dev.org]

Re:Finally (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311437)

If you do want to send us something, please send a scan of a postcard from your city, handwrite a nice message scan it and sent it over to blog@iphone-dev.com

Done. [imageshack.us]

Re:Finally (0, Offtopic)

rvw (755107) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312547)

Done. [imageshack.us]

That's the first coatse I've seen. Nice dough. Never knew cakes could have ass.

Your sig (0, Offtopic)

schon (31600) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311565)

There's no place like 127.0.0.1

There's no place like localhost?

Wouldn't "There's no place like ~/" be better?

Re:Your sig (1)

xmpcray (636203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311673)

There's no place like 127.0.0.1

There's no place like localhost?

Wouldn't "There's no place like ~/" be better?

You are right. Anyways, it is time for me to change my sig to another lousy pun :P

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26312637)

And to add to this, they explicitly say they don't want any donations.

We've seen some comments about you lovely people wanting to donate money to us. We'd just like to say that we DO NOT accept donations. There is no paypal account associated to us, there is no way to donate to us, we do this as a hobby and don't want to be paid and we fund all of this ourselves and it works out just fine.

Anyone who says "donate to DevTeam" in our name is lying, so don't send them anything, you'll just fund their crack habit.

Keep your dough for the lovely shiny Apple products, we think you'll need it.

If you do want to send us something, please send a scan of a postcard from your city, handwrite a nice message scan it and sent it over to blog@iphone-dev.com

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/41744653/donations-to-dev-null [iphone-dev.org]

Please ignore this non-financially motivated faction... I will accept all your cash donations and use them towards this project.

Re:Finally (1)

drei22 (1026046) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311589)

Isn't that what he basically stated and you so arrogantly rehashed? "In short, this hack wasn't some bunch of script kiddies having a sleepover and cracking the copy protection on Arkanoid 2 for the C64. This was a brilliant circumvention of some of the tightest security ever found on a PDA or mobile phone. So please don't disrespect the people who made it possible."

Re:Finally (1)

moxley (895517) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312071)

Good post.

Hopefully the sophistication of this community and the hopelessness of DRM will further encourage those who make decisions about DRM to abandon this sinking ship. Anyone with a brain knows that all DRM can eventually be circumvented, and that there is no such thing as perfect security - thus, it makes much more sense to come up with a cooperative model that works with the community of users. I am not saying that anything goes, but what I am saying is that if Apple were to embrace the enthusiast community to enable them to use the device in the ways they want to to enable increased functionality and compatibility with the caveat that the community polices itself so that cetain things that both sides can agree would be harmful to Apple and the community, or would threaten the continued cooperation of the community and the corporation wouldn't be tolerated.

I look at the community of live recording traders online that use bittorrent to distribute live recordings through membership based trackers as an example of how communities can thrive all while respecting the business model of the artists and labels - and how well those communities police themselves...There are rules, like that you canot uplaod or trade anything that is officially released; it's all not-for-profit....If any user tries to circument the rules they're dealt with quickly by the community...

Now certainly it's more complicated when dealing with the Apple store and different carriers and business agreements, etc - and it's not something that could happen overnight, but I think the general principle of working with your commmunity of enthusiasts instead of fighting againsst them and what they are doing would work out much better for both sides than the current state of affairs.

Re:Finally (2)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312661)

Running Opera Mini requires jailbreaking the phone, i.e. finding a buffer overflow. The original jailbreak exploit was in Safari. My point was that if they'd have used Opera in the start there was less chance of finding something like this.

This exploit SIM unlocks the iPhone which requires cracking the radio, which is something else entirely.

Actually the best thing to have done would have be to allow people to run whatever browser they wamt but SIM lock the radio for subsidised phones but leave it unlocked for non subsidised ones. That takes away most of the reasons to crack the device.

Releasing a device which is SIM locked and locked for applications only on approved operators means that there will be enormous pressure to find cracks for both the user mode and the radio, both of which have now been cracked. This is bad for Apple and the operators because it means people can buy a phone subsidised by AT&T, unlock it and use it on another operator. AT&T loses around $200 in subsidy each time this happens.

These people made the same point about consoles -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjpmc8ZIxM [youtube.com]

The XBOX360 was locked against both piracy and alternate OSs. The PS3 allowed Linux but was locked against piracy. The end result was that hackers cracked the XBOX360 but not the PS3.

In a sense most mobile phone manufacturers follow their appeasementish advice - they sell SIM locked phones which are subsidised for $x-$200 and non SIM locked phones which not subsidised for $x where $x is the market price. Increasingly open OS phones (Symbian, Windows Mobile) allow users to install their own applications.

I once had a client which made mobile phone chipsets and they took security very seriously, that's where I got the $200 figure from. Obviously it's a ballpark figure and is somewhat out of date, I suspect looking at prices that most SIM locked phones now are much less subsidised than this. Mind you it shows you how pissed off AT&T would be if SIM locks are broken. No one cares about jailbroken phones of course, apart from maybe Apple.

Frist! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311077)

Frist

Old news is fun! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311117)

Slashdot is on the ball these days. 3 day old news. YAY!

And it took ./ more than 24 hours to find out!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311119)

mmh...

Do you now promote infopackets in a row? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311143)

find text, not here.

Yes! (5, Funny)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311147)

I can't wait to put Windows Mobile on my 3G!

Re:Yes! (1, Redundant)

iammani (1392285) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311511)

Atleast RTFS, the story is that now you can use other GSM carriers on your iphone.

Re:Yes! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311851)

looks like that one went WAY over your head

Is it worth it? (4, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311159)

I've been thinking about one, but:

a)How do you get around activation at purchase time?
b)Does Apple break this later on, especially when I need it?

I could buy a legally unlocked iPhone from Hong Kong, but it costs $700+. In the unlocked countries, Apple prices it through the roof, I suppose. Although there has been talk about a prepaid version here for some time...

Re:Is it worth it? (1)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311409)

How do you get around activation at purchase time?

That's an easy one...you buy it used on eBay, Craigslist, etc.

Re:Is it worth it? (2, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312315)

I can't imagine the odds of someone selling their new iphone 3g while still under contract. Wouldn't the odds of such a thing for sale being hot be incredibly high? Those things have serial numbers (SSIDs) that they will need to activate the phone wherever so if you do get a hot iphone you probably won't have it for long.

Re:Is it worth it? (1)

Helios1182 (629010) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312407)

So they cancel their account, pay the termination fee, and keep the phone. At this point they can sell the phone for a profit if they want.

Re:Is it worth it? (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312589)

But the "early termination fee" is going to be ugly. Add that to the cost of the phone to begin with, and either it won't sell cheap, or if it does, it's hot.

Re:Is it worth it? (2, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311711)

The UK has prepaid versions on sale currently - 8GB for ~ £350GBP/$510USD, and 16GB for ~ £390GBP/$570USD. Free 3G internet access on O2 for the first year with the purchase of the handset, and you buy voice minutes and sms credit.

Re:Is it worth it? (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312473)

Sounds like a very good deal. One question: is the prepaid locked to O2 somehow? The only prepaids I'm used to are the cheap ones like tracfone, which are locked to the carrier for life (but they're $10 phones to begin with).

All comments on this story (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311177)

I'll summarize every comment on this story, which will be of two types:

1) OMG APPLE IS TEH EVILZ, SUPAR CLOSED. Information wants to be free!!1 All things apple fail, apple will close all business and lose EVARATHING coz I think they suxxor even though I would never try it!

2) Apple is heaven and they're just doing this for your own protection, it saves you and gives a you a better phone experience! Now suck on Stevies cock like a good little bitch.

Re:All comments on this story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311267)

-1 Narrow minded

There are 3 type of comments, not 2 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311551)

The 3rd type is the comment about other peoples stereotypical comments.

I do not understand... (0, Troll)

Extremus (1043274) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311193)

... why people NEED to have an iPhone. There are alternatives in the market.

Please, somebody tell me why anyone should buy an iPhone.

Re:I do not understand... (5, Insightful)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311233)

Please, somebody tell me why anyone should buy an iPhone.

Because it meets their requirements, and the manufacturer support and aftermarket accessory selection is second to none.

Re:I do not understand... (3, Interesting)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311339)

Except it's still not the smart phone of choice for business users, due to its poor ability to type out messages. Apple needs to learn from two LG smart phones, the Voyager with its flip-open keyboard or the Incite with its haptic-response touchscreen; a third-generation iPhone with a haptic-response touchscreen (including the ability to type out messages when displaying in landscape mode) would make the iPhone a VERY serious competitor against the Blackberry or Palm Treo series of smart phones.

Re:I do not understand... (5, Informative)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311401)

Haptic response?
If that's the case, why do critics HATE the Blackberry storm and rumor has it that Verizon is dealing with a ton of returns?

Just get firemail for iPhone and type your emails in landscape mode

Re:I do not understand... (4, Interesting)

ijakings (982830) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311745)

Luckily there are apps for a jailbroken iphone that build on the functions of the default apps. iRealSMS is a brilliant messaging app for the iphone, of course it will never be avaliable on the appstore as it competes with their rubbish sms app. Its got real inboxes outboxes and sent messages templates drafts landscape typing.

This is why un-jailbroken iphones arent as good. If an apple official app sucks, well thats just too bad.

Re:I do not understand... (1)

WiredNut (1287460) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311749)

I really like the touch screen, I can type faster on it than any of the numerous windows mobile or blackberry phone I've used. The drawback to the keyboard for me is that it takes an extra touch to get non-alpha characters. Of course, the blackberry and wm phones do also. I'm a sysadmin, the sole weakness I've found is that new text alert and new mail alert sounds aren't very configurable. If I need to wake up at 2am to save a server the existing sounds don't quite do it. I don't know if WM or BB have better configurability for those sounds.

Re:I do not understand... (1)

flerchin (179012) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311935)

WM has complete configurability for all sounds. Want it to play an mp3 every time it registers a click? Not a problem. I've set my text alert to be only vibrate, even when the phone has sounds enabled, but it's quite loud with some of the built in alarm sounds. Of course, your mileage may vary due to carrier lockdown. *cough verizon

Re:I do not understand... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311353)

"Because it meets their imagined requirements and is trendy and makes them look cool"

Fixed it for you

Re:I do not understand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26312739)

"and makes them look cool"

Then you agree, yes?

Re:I do not understand... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311717)

Please, somebody tell me why anyone should buy an iPhone.

Because it meets their requirements, and the manufacturer support and aftermarket accessory selection is second to none.

It also has one of the best UIs on any mobile device. How many other phone makers actually show off their OS in their commercials?

Re:I do not understand... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311237)

Because the iPhone happens to be an alternative to the iPhone alternatives.

Re:I do not understand... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311247)

... why people NEED to have an iPhone. There are alternatives in the market.

Few people NEED to have an iPhone. Many people WANT to have an iPhone. I won't buy an iPhone due to the operator locking-thingie/price, so I'd be happy to hear about the alternatives.

Please, somebody tell me why anyone should buy an iPhone.

It is a nice device. It reportedly works very well.

What the nerd community most often fail to realize is that all features aren't equal. A well implemented and well integrated feature in a convenient interface is worth way more than the same feature implemented crappy, or accessed through a annoying interface.

Re:I do not understand... (3, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311727)

It is a nice device. It reportedly works very well.

It's just like every other device out there... It has its good points and it has its really bad points. What it does really well is viewing webpages as they were meant to be seen and playing music/video. These things are second to none on any device I have used.

What it doesn't do well are too numerous to list. Do I own one? Yes. Why? Because I ride the bus every day to work and I wanted music/video as well as good web surfing. Unfortunately what it doesn't do is type with ease, which I am used to from the 4 years I used a Sidekick, and run applications in the background. Seriously, that is the hardest thing for me to get used to (what do you mean I don't have IM running all the time?)

If T-mobile didn't suck so hard and the Sidekick wasn't marketed to douchebags, I'd probably go back to owning one in a heartbeat over the iPhone. But for now, it does most of what I want it to and I'm about 50/50 with the device.

Re:I do not understand... (-1, Flamebait)

Doomstalk (629173) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311913)

>If T-mobile didn't suck so hard and the Sidekick wasn't marketed to douchebags, I'd probably go back to owning one in a heartbeat over the iPhone.

One might argue that the iPhone is marketed to douchebags as well. That seems to be Apple's core demographic.

Re:I do not understand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26312907)

What the nerd community does understand is that a lot of devices/OSes out there are better designed and executed than their precious Linux. They either can't code or are too lazy to contribute to The Cause so development continues slowly. They acknowledge this by throwing childish hissy fits.

Linux will eventually catch up to "Now", at which point Apple (and others), will be on to some New Thing. The New Thing might be better or it might be worse but it will probably be popular; that's the mandate of the shareholders.

Re:I do not understand... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311303)

My iphone is great. Why shouldn't I have it, you troll?

The other knockoffs are patheticly ugly, clunky, and don't do half the things my iphone does in the way that it does them. Yes it matters. The seamless integration between the Phone OS, the standard apps, the 3rd party apps, my mac, iphoto, itunes, ical, mobile me.

For you to have asked this question, you clearly haven't used it for more that a minute if at all.

I don't give a frack about steve jobs, I just like the product.

I already had ATT so wtf do i care about jail breaking. i also have netshare. :D

This phone is fracking awesome. Frack all you haters.

Re:I do not understand... (2, Informative)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311427)

I already had ATT so wtf do i care about jail breaking.

You're confusing jailbreaking with unlocking.

Jailbreaking=running third-party apps from sources other than the app store. Lots of people have jailbroken phones that are still SIM locked to AT&T. I used to have one until I sold it on eBay.

Unlocking=using a wireless carrier other than AT&T.

Re:I do not understand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26312173)

The seamless integration between the Phone OS, the standard apps, the 3rd party apps,

The ease of cutting and pasting information between apps...oh wait...

Re:I do not understand... (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311305)

I cite two reasons why people are buying iPhones:

1) Built-in full iPod functionality, so you can play music and videos processed through [i]iTunes[/i].

2) The App Store has allowed for a lot of very interesting third-party applications that you don't see on other "smart phones."

My major gripe is that typing messages on an iPhone still leaves much to be desired, which keeps the iPhone from being a serious competitor to a Blackberry or Plam Treo phones. They really need to either a) integrates a real keyboard like the LG Voyager or b) integrates a haptic response touchscreen like the LG Incite including the ability to type in landscape display mode. Once Apple does either they will literally clean up the smart phone market among business users.

Re:I do not understand... (5, Interesting)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311527)

I cite two reasons why people are buying iPhones

Those are good reasons, but the most important reason I think is that the user interface just works so damn well. It does for me... I am no Apple fanboy (the only other Apple device I own is an iPod, the rest is all Windows stuff), but I bought one, despite
- no out-of-the-box todo lists
- no notepad that is actually useful (and syncs)
- no cut & paste (a major omission), and poor (if any) communication between apps
- crippled Bluetooth (only works with headsets, can't use it to hook up a Bluetooth keyboard or other peripherals).
- locked down OS (can't replace the standard keyboard with a custom one, for instance).
- rumours of poor battery life and poor reception (I haven't noticed any of these. Tip to increase battery life: turn off location services; the GPS chip is power hungry... like it is on any other cell phone).

So why are people buying despite all this? I don't think having a built-in iPod and some amusing apps make up for this. The following, however, does:
- Form factor. It's small. And I thank Apple for not putting a damn physical keybord inside, which would make it considerably bulkier.
- Ease of use. The UI is simple and responsive certainly compared to WME.
- The multi-touch screen: brilliant not because of the cute "pinch" zoom gesture, but because I can operate it with my fat fingers. Whereas my other smart phones required me to use a fingernail or the stylus, I can operate the iPhone 1-handed using my thumb.

Typing messages is actually pretty good on the iPhone. As you'd expect, typing speed is somewhere between the on-screen keyboard & stylus of WME phones, and phones with a physical keyboard. But that's not what Apple needs to work on to capture the business market. Apple needs to address security by offering a mandatory PIN login that cannot be disabled by the user, and a remote wipe function. Without those two, you can forget about corporations allowing these things to VPN in and access the Exchange server.

Re:I do not understand... (2, Informative)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312199)

Apple needs to address security by offering a mandatory PIN login that cannot be disabled by the user, and a remote wipe function. Without those two, you can forget about corporations allowing these things to VPN in and access the Exchange server.

The remote wipe [apple.com] was added with the 2.0 software. From the Apple website:

IT administrators can securely manage any iPhone that contains confidential company information using remote wipe and enforced security and password policies. These device configuration and remote management capabilities allow IT departments to quickly and seamlessly deploy iPhone throughout their companies.

This may also answer your concern for mandatory password/PIN protection.

Re:I do not understand... (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311309)

I always remembered to grab my iPod when I headed out the door. I almost always forgot my cellphone. When the iPhone was announced I knew that it was a solution to my problem. I haven't left the house once without my iPhone.

And there are some people, believe it or not, who actually like buying music and video through the iTMS.

Re:I do not understand... (5, Insightful)

knutkracker (1089397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311315)

Because compared to the windows mobile device I had for three years previously, the iPhone's interface and tight integration of functionality feels like having a scented massage from a bikini-clad swedish pin-up girl.

Pretty much *everything* I wanted to be able to do previously is now possible in an elegant way, and I'm serendipitously finding that loads of oh-so-simple intuitive shortcuts have been quietly added and left to be discovered.

I won't bore you with details, but there is a good comparison to be made with open source - you sometimes need the BDFL to bring out the best in a project, simply to avoid the endless conflicts and design by committee which can lead to a product which does everything poorly, rather than doing a small number of things in a superbly polished way.

I have only bought an iPhone in the last three months, having held back since their launch on the grounds that slack-jawed fanboi drivel was not something to take seriously, but I've had to grudgingly admit that Apple have got something very right. Perhaps best summed up with Oliver Wendell Holmes' famous quote (take note, usability engineers!):

"I would not give a fig for the simplicity this side of complexity, but I would give my life for the simplicity on the other side of complexity."

Re:I do not understand... (2, Insightful)

jabithew (1340853) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311419)

A good example; you're standing on Oxford Street and feeling hungry. You open maps, get it to pull down your current location. Then type 'Italian' into the search. You look at one of them, e.g. Carluccio's*. From there you can get to their webpage, get directions to it and call them, all with one press of a button. After you eat there, you decide you like the place. Pull out your search results and add it to your contacts. Whenever you want to find it again you can pull it out of your address book.

It's pretty smooth.

*This is not an endorsement or otherwise, I've never been to that particular Italian.

Re:I do not understand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311873)

But why couldn't I do that with ANY smartphone having the requisite features? (phone, gps, internet)

Re:I do not understand... (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312137)

Because the apps in the iPhone are integrated. On other smartphones - not so much.

Re:I do not understand... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312467)

Try doing that with the G1, and you'll also get a Google Streetview view of the area, integrated with the compass so you see in the phone what you should be able to see on the street.

Re:I do not understand... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26312483)

So it is great for avoiding communication with people and works remarkable as brain replacement. Sounds like a device everyone on /. should own.

Re:I do not understand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311871)

Pretty much *everything* I wanted to be able to do previously is now possible in an elegant way, and I'm serendipitously finding that loads of oh-so-simple intuitive shortcuts have been quietly added and left to be discovered.

I won't bore you with details...

Too bad, because some of us might be interested in how (and which) hidden shortcuts could convince you to love your phone.

Re:I do not understand... (1)

knutkracker (1089397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312649)

http://www.iphonealley.com/tips [iphonealley.com] has a lot of them, but the example given above by jabithew is a good one - a couple of taps and everything is exactly where you need it to be for the next logical task.

Searching on google maps brings up a load of pins with results. Tapping on one shows a screen ready to take you to whichever task you next need e.g. email this location to someone, look at the homepage for the cinema you just found, call them, add the address to your contacts etc.

Other phones will do all this, but not with such effortless simplicity. Which is why I love it.

Re:I do not understand... (1)

Starayo (989319) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311347)

Well, I don't strictly NEED an iPhone, but what I wanted was a good interface for web browsing on a phone and plan I could afford - and until the iPhone, mobile internet here in Australia was pretty damn poor. It still is, but no more do I have to pay $15 for 5MB of data.

Oh sure, there are things like the HTC touch (with windows mobile... yerk) or blackberries, but I can't get any of them for anywhere near the same price because the iPhone was subsidised by Apple. I'm a poor student, I can't afford to spend nearly a thousand dollars on a phone. Plus, my carrier unlocked mine for free.

Obligatory (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311243)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you iPhone fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of an iPhone (a 3G w/16 Gigs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while I attempt to talk to my mother. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running Skype, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same conversation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this conversation, excuses to get off the phone will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even the whole "work emergency" trick is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various iPhones, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a iPhone that has run faster than its Windows Mobile counterpart, despite the iPhones' faster chip architecture. My Cingular 8125 with 64 megs of ram runs faster than this 8gb device at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the iPhone is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use an iPhone over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Baseband number (1)

Anonymous Cowled (917825) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311279)

I haven't been following the iPhone Dev Team that closely, as I am on an official carrier - but I do know that in the upcoming months they were recommending heavily against upgrading to the 2.2 firmware because i would affect future unlocking potential. Nice new year present for all those who "accidentally" upgraded!

Rather than linking to some random blog... (5, Informative)

oPless (63249) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311285)

Why not link to http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ [iphone-dev.org] themselves ?

Oh wait ... this is /.

My Bad.

Re:Rather than linking to some random blog... (1)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311403)

And why is /. always a few days behind any other news source? Being a /. editor must be a posh job.

Re:Rather than linking to some random blog... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311947)

And why is /. always a few days behind any other news source?

It's an aggregator. By definition it will always be behind the news.

Re:Rather than linking to some random blog... (2, Insightful)

pm_rat_poison (1295589) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311459)

You must be new here...
We NEVER link to the most appropriate site for the story, that's what digg is for.

Trusted Computing (4, Interesting)

Britz (170620) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311389)

Trusted Computing used to be treated as one of the most evil things here on Slashdot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgFbqSYdNK4 [youtube.com]

The appstore (where Steve decides what is trustworthy and what is not, to quote the video) sold the "I am rich"-app for cryin' out loud. Among a bunch of other crap. Other apps that are very useful are not given a chance and won't run.

Re:Trusted Computing (1)

Dan East (318230) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311909)

The number one seller is iFart, which was raking in over $10,000 per day for a while. It's still #1, so it's obviously continuing to pull in massive amounts of money.

Re:Trusted Computing (1)

Corbets (169101) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312035)

It also PULLED the I am rich app, sticking to their policy of deciding what's appropriate and what's not. Don't forget to leave out that little detail; you might not like them taking that responsibility/power upon themselves, but they DO do it rather consistently. They're not perfect, clearly, which is why the app made it to the store at all.

Great Job (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311499)

Now feel free to make a start on unlocking the iPod Classic firmware, I'm too dumb.

How about the iPod touch G2??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311525)

any info on unlocking a G2 touch? Just too lazy to sign in t

Re:How about the iPod touch G2??? (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312251)

Mod Parent Up. I'm debating between a iPod Touch 2G and a Nokia N8X0.

Re:How about the iPod touch G2??? (1)

jeffstar (134407) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312489)

yeah i want the ipod touch 2g to be jailbroken too so I can add songs without itunes. and I suppose run non app store apps potentially.

Re:How about the iPod touch G2??? (1)

theillien2 (1426175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312719)

I'm still waiting for my Nokia N810 WiMax. It's been on back order almost since they released it.

I keep looking for iPhone rumors indicating when they'll be available on other carriers. I don't see the point in switching networks just to buy a phone no matter how innovative it is. Likewise with the G1. I have no interest in switching to T-Mobile just for an Android-based phone. Though, I have no interest in switching to T-Mobile period.

Everyone is Jumping the gun here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26311775)

I followed the steps closely for the Unlock, and have not been able to get it to work. I have 3 SIMs - NTT Docomo, Softbank Mobile and Rogers in Canada (SB and Rogers are valid iPhone contracts as well). The unlock works fine, and the SIMs get recognized, but it seems that the iPhone wants to drop the signal every 1-3 minutes and reconnect. Incoming calls work fine, but data and Outgoing calls do not.

Reading the success (or fail.) reports at report.yellowsn0w.com (awful name isn't it) leads me to believe that I am not the only one with this issue - and people with certain types of SIMs encounter this issue. They just released 0.9.5 - but that unfortunately does not fix my issue yet. Considering that MuscleNerd (the lead dev on yellowsn0w) already recognized the issue in one of the comments and knowing how the dev teams works judging by their track record, they'll probably have a fix in no time :)

Old news... (1)

kazuma (53699) | more than 5 years ago | (#26311931)

http://zippiweb.blogspot.com/2008/09/iphone-3g-crack.html

This is dated September 2008 :-)

Any Carrier? (2, Interesting)

theillien2 (1426175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312229)

I read the Dev Team blog entry about this and didn't see any mention about which carrier was supported. I assumed it would only work on other carriers which used SIMs (ie T-Mobile). If it will work with non-SIM based carriers this needs to be clarified.

A whole /. thread with no Linux users? (1)

feelbad_feelsgood (809633) | more than 5 years ago | (#26312709)

My first thought was, "Great! Maybe this will pave the way for somehow getting music onto my phone from Linux!" I am currently trying to get the XP side of my dual-boot machine running again, after 6 months of inactivity since I switched to Ubuntu, just so that I can run iTunes and load some music onto my iPhone!!

I have had luck with Wine for other things, but current itunes has status of "Garbage" at winedev, and even in the comments for the older versions I can find no testimony of successful xfer of music to ipod under wine. Good thing I didn't wipe that XP partition....
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