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Lenovo To Bring Wii-Inspired Input To PCs

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the now-we-just-need-monitor-insurance dept.

Input Devices 53

PCWorld reports on an upcoming Lenovo PC that includes a remote control with functionality similar to that of the Wii Remote. It will control games using the same motion-based method, and Lenovo appears to be coming out with sports games like tennis and bowling to demonstrate its capabilities — an unsurprising choice given the huge success of Wii Sports . "Lenovo is trying to capitalize on the trend of entertainment options merging into the PC. Few are able to play motion-based games, which could make this motion-based game controller a pioneer. In addition to controlling TV functions and video recordings on the PC, the remote control can also be used as an air mouse that moves the mouse pointer when waved. It has some advantages over a conventional mouse — it can function without being on a surface and be used at a distance — when sitting on a couch, for example."

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I thought the mouse was enough (1)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341125)

...because I still use an 80-character TTY terminal, you insensitive clod!

Re:I thought the mouse was enough (2, Funny)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341719)

...because I still use an 80-character TTY terminal, you insensitive clod!

You have 80 characters AND a TTY? I'm still stuck with a 32x16 display on an old tv, with lowercase letters being uppercase letters, but green on black, instead of black on green, you insensitive clod!

Re:I thought the mouse was enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26342195)

That's nothing, I still use an array of LED lights that blink on and off rapidly in morse code, you insensitive clode!

Re:I thought the mouse was enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26345521)

You've got the luxury of LEDs?

Re:I thought the mouse was enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26342419)

Now jokes aside, when a few months ago my monitor broke, I had to wait a few weeks till it got repaired - while at the same time I had some programming work to do. I ended up having to log in to my PC by SSH from my Window$ Mobile palmtop - 2.8" 320x240 LCD => 53x15 characters terminal.
Now talk about claustrophobia! Fortunately, with some blind login and creative use of kibitz I have managed to use my PC keyboard with the palmtop screen :). Now on-screen keyboard would be A BIT too much...

Re:I thought the mouse was enough (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26343085)

-1 Lack Of Spare Obsolete Yet Usable Computer Equipment. Hand in your geek card on the way out.

Re:I thought the mouse was enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26350511)

Heh, due to a chronic lack of money, my MAIN (and only) computer is Obsolete Yet Usable. The PC is 9 years old, the (broken and repaired) monitor is 7 years old. Just some highlights of living in a post-soviet country.

Green AND black?! Luxury!! (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26343531)

I'm still stuck with a 32x16 display on an old tv, with lowercase letters being uppercase letters, but green on black, instead of black on green, you insensitive clod!

You have two colors on your display?! That I should be so lucky! I have to do all my coding on a monochrome display with a tube that has been burnt out for almost 12 years, but you don't hear me complaining! I consider myself lucky to still have a job (and lead developer, no less) with 3D Realms [wikipedia.org] .

It's probably going to be as successful... (4, Funny)

wahgnube (557787) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341131)

... as Apple's new laptop without a keyboard [theonion.com] ! :)

Re:It's probably going to be as successful... (3, Funny)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342311)

You would have gotten first post if you had typed that on something other than the Macbook Wheel.

do good wii emulators exist for pc's? (1)

wjh31 (1372867) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341153)

and can pc's use 'wiimotes' as is, ive seen flash games which can take input from them, is that for wiimotes attatched to pc's, or for wiis with access to the internet?

Re:do good wii emulators exist for pc's? (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341423)

Wiimotes connect to Wiis using Bluetooth. I believe various 3rd-party drivers have been written to allow one to use Wiimotes with various OSs on bluetooth-enabled PCs.

Re:do good wii emulators exist for pc's? (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341673)

It's for both, actually. The Flash games in particular are usually meant for the Wii's browser, though. It's apparently based on Opera and they released a spec to allow WiiMote control.

Re:do good wii emulators exist for pc's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26351823)

Dolphin is a Gamecube and Wii emulator. Gamecube compatibility looks decent and Wii compatibility is growing.

http://www.dolphin-emu.com/news.php [dolphin-emu.com]

When I read the title... (4, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341169)

I thought they meant for much more beyond games.

I was thinking someone had come up with the genius idea of doing something like punching Windows to close them, slapping them down to minimise them, uppercutting them to maximise them and other such exciting things. You could even have an onscreen keyboard where you have to machinegun the buttons to type.

Suddenly for a moment there the working day seemed like it was going to begin being a whole lot more exciting.

Re:When I read the title... (4, Funny)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341565)

You missed your calling. You wanted ``Doom as a Tool for System Administration'':

http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/ [unm.edu]

William

Re:When I read the title... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26350191)

Wow, that was awesome.

Re:When I read the title... (1)

sckeener (137243) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342559)

Suddenly for a moment there the working day seemed like it was going to begin being a whole lot more exciting.

and ergonomic breaks would be a lot more enjoyable.

At my job we have an annoying program (workpace)that takes control of the computer to force us to take breaks. It even suggests exercises that we should do while we wait for the program to release control of the computer. I think it would be more interesting if I could still continue to do work, but had to do the exercises to get the work done.

I think what I'd prefer is business as normal until I needed to do something important such as delete a file or send an email...and then to actually do the deed I'd have to accomplish some task such as chopping a log in two or knocking out someone (insert jpg)

Re:When I read the title... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347167)

Ha, ha. My girlfriend has that. Micropause!

Re:When I read the title... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26348543)

Yeah, just what I want seeing across the planet.

A bunch of idiots yelling "SHORYUKEN" every time they maximize an application.

Brilliant.

Potential is high (2, Informative)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341275)

Remember Johnny Lee's Wii remote hacks [ted.com] ? It isnt just for games.

Re:Potential is high (1)

Crookdotter (1297179) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342375)

Why can't a game manufacturer produce a fun add-on for a 'Johnny Lee' type setup? We can all make the glasses easily enough, and it would make your monitor a pretty good 3D device, acting more like a window than a monitor. I'm sure it wouldn't be so hard to do - can games companies really not spare a coder or two for a few days now and again?

Re:Potential is high (1)

KalvinB (205500) | more than 5 years ago | (#26343961)

http://blog.dawnofthegeeks.com/2009/01/01/a-better-wiimote-pointer/ [dawnofthegeeks.com]

If you download and try Johnny Lee's headtracking demo you soon realize you can't tilt your head. It's because he's using the raw information from Brian Peek's library which doesn't tell you where the wiimote is actually pointing.

The above link has a demo that uses Brian Peek's library and some additional code to allow you to use the Wiimote as a pointing device.

I'd rather spend $50 for a Wiimote and $15 for a Wii "sensor" bar than have to buy a whole new PC just to be able to use a pointing device like the Wiimote.

Re:Potential is high (1)

dark12222000 (1076451) | more than 5 years ago | (#26354071)

Actually, those hacks are awesome and really show off the Wiimote technology. Personally, I'd like to see devices made to incorporate those hacks into actual purchasable products with a real wiimote, instead of some overpriced knockoff.

I am aroused!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26341431)

Attention hot women! My penis is fully tumescent! You may now form a line!

HDAPS (1)

gringer (252588) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341603)

reminds me of the Thinkpad Hard Disk Active Protection System (accelerometers near the hard drive) which had a linux driver that allowed it to be used as a joystick. Quite fun for playing neverball...

Apple ahead of the curve (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341767)

and getting rid of the keyboard entirely. [theonion.com]

I had remotes come with PCs before (Medion). They usually suck because it doesn't work with linux and it's usually yet another startup progam in Windows. Also, since this doesn't come bundled with all PCs, it's guaranteed to fail at attracting game developers.

That's why PS3 own effort [ps3fanboy.com] will be a failure. Unless it comes standard, few game developers are goingto bother programming for it to get the ball rolling.

Why even bother?

Re:Apple ahead of the curve (1)

amn108 (1231606) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342309)

It is not 'ahead of the curve' unless the end of that curve is in a dumpster, the one where all moronic apple gadgets end up. Not everyone likes Apple style, and even fewer can be led to believe one can ever be as fast a typist using a giant wheel. At least because of the ergonomic factors, the travel distance after all is greater with one giant wheel. I type on my keyboard at about 65 words per minute IN ANY LANGUAGE, without using a T9 type dictionary. I seriously doubt the limitations of a giant wheel will ever let me approach that speed, even after getting accustomed to it fully and using the dictionary like the guy in the video seems to be using.

What Apple should do if they feel like innovating, is to put a touch sensitive LCD display instead of the keyboard so that software may render keyboard keys and what not on that display which people can tap on just as they type and tap a regular keyboard. A goddamn wheel may have worked for an iPod which had to have effective song list scrolling but for a general purpose laptop machine it is a third wheel literally.

Re:Apple ahead of the curve (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342567)

Er, you did notice that site was The Onion, right?

Re:Apple ahead of the curve (1)

amn108 (1231606) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342783)

Nope. I dont even know that The Onion is. Was. I get the idea it was a joke then?

Re:Apple ahead of the curve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26352073)

Holy shit you're stupid.

You can already! (1)

Fuzzypig (631915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341811)

The WiiMotes are simple blue-tooth devices, you can already get drivers and control panels to hook up your Wii motes to your PC! What a rip this crap is!

Re:You can already! (1)

diskofish (1037768) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342011)

Yeah, but where are the games?

Re:You can already! (1)

Stavr0 (35032) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342897)

Yeah, but where are the games?

Any game will do. With GlovePIE+ppjoy the WiiMote becomes a joystick input device.

Oh NO! (1)

Drumforyourlife (1421647) | more than 5 years ago | (#26341999)

Those things are dangerous. Many gamers, accustomed to sitting still, have been injured by the Wii. Now the PC world will be hurt by this onslaught of moving controllers.

3d mouse? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342053)

Haven't these been around for a while?

Re:3d mouse? (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342243)

Exactly, I've used a gyro (air) mouse before. Granted it was pretty hard to control, but if they used the accelerometers to simply detect motion (e.g. usually games, most likely) and used an infra-red system to actually point (OS mouse pointer), like the Wiimote, it might be a fair improvement I suppose.

Gyromouse (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 5 years ago | (#26346309)

Yeah, we have a few of these at work. They take a bit of getting used to (e.g. they work best if you hold your wrist steady and move it around from your elbow)

So I've only played with the Wii a little bit, but I think I like the gyromouse more. The gyroscopic sensors are much more sensitive. With the Wii, I ended up just flicking the thing as if it was just another button. The IR on the Wii is necessary for precise control, but it doesn't seem very precise or sensitive compared to the Gyromouse. On the other hand, I suspect the gyromouse uses more energy to keep the hi fidelity gyros spun up (it has a button that you need to depress whenever you want it to be active).

Anyway, more people are familiar with remotes and even laser pointers than with mice, so I think the wii-mote style controllers have a good chance of actually eventually winning out. Unlike several other human interface devices that were supposed to replace the mouse.

I'd hate to be on an airplane next to one of these (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342147)

The person sitting next to you on the plane constantly waves the damn thing around, until your drink is spilled.

PC gaming is dieing out? (1)

salarelv (1314017) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342171)

And all the rumours about PC gaming will die out and now that...mmh.

Advert Warning (2, Interesting)

BarneyL (578636) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342213)

The advert at the top of the page right now may well be telling you that you can save a fortune buy paying someone to learn how to run wii games for free (it is for me).
I'd hope that none of you would fall for this but be aware that all these sites provide is a bundle of freely available software including the twilight hack and homebrew channel. The makers of this software are not at all pleased [hackmii.com] about this sort of thing.
Is there any way to mod an advert down?

Re:Advert Warning (1)

Sparton (1358159) | more than 5 years ago | (#26343645)

Yeah, I'm seeing something about "Top Wii Download Sites", which I find kind of shocking, since Nintendo has a monopoly on their Wii legit downloads (their site or nothing).

I find it very unfortunate that such obvious scams can actually make it on to slashdot, but perhaps it's some form of Darwinism?..

I like the Asus version better (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 5 years ago | (#26342533)

It's just a pointer, not a "pointer, VOIP handset, and tv remote"

Probably cheaper, too. If it ever comes out.

Gyro Mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26343517)

Haven't Gyration been doing this type of input already?
http://www.gyration.com/ [gyration.com]

Re:Gyro Mouse? (1)

hugorxufl (1071598) | more than 5 years ago | (#26343525)

Hey, why did it log me out?

Re:Gyro Mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26343851)

Maybe it was trying to protect you from a -1 Redundant?

Fail (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 5 years ago | (#26343577)

And ultimately it will fail, or at best be a niche device. A PC is something you sit down right in front of, with the screen generally about 1.5-3 feet away. It's not a console where you sit/stand 5-10 feet away and have plenty of room to swing such a controller. If there were really a significant market for this, the drivers to use the Wii controller would be a lot more popular and people would already be using those.

Would people shut up about Wii Sports already? (1)

merreborn (853723) | more than 5 years ago | (#26345425)

Of course Wii Sports is "selling" well: everyone's FORCED to take a copy when they buy a Wii console!

If you don't count bundled sales, however, the game's sales numbers are pathetic.

Don't get me wrong, it's a decent game, but if they'd bundled "Mario's Extreme Knitting Challenge" instead, it'd "sell" just as well. And all these "journalists" who keep pointing to Wii Sports as a massive success for the motion-based sports gaming genre would probably be calling knitting games the wave of the future.

Would YOU shut up about Wii Sports already? (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347963)

If you don't count bundled sales, however, the game's sales numbers are pathetic.

Wow definitely the least informed comment I have seen all day. Wii Sports is only available bundled, except in Japan where it has an amazing attach rate. So yes since you cannot buy it unbundled in 90% of the market it is selling terribly.

Re:Would people shut up about Wii Sports already? (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26350339)

So Wii Sports isn't helping to sell Wiis? The Wii would sell just as well if it had a knitting game instead?

Interesting logic you have there.

Re:Would people shut up about Wii Sports already? (1)

merreborn (853723) | more than 5 years ago | (#26350803)

So Wii Sports isn't helping to sell Wiis? The Wii would sell just as well if it had a knitting game instead?

Sure, the Wii Sports bundle may help move a few more Wiis, but that's beside the point -- calling "Wii Sports" the "best selling game of all time" is an unfair comparison, and terribly misleading.

As to whether the Wii would sell without Wii Sports, the Xbox 360 has been selling unbundled for most of its life. The only game bundled with the unit I purchased was "Hexic", a minimally featured downloadable bejewelled clone. So, yeah, unbundled consoles can sell themselves just fine.

Re:Would people shut up about Wii Sports already? (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 5 years ago | (#26351917)

Sure, the Wii Sports bundle may help move a few more Wiis,

A few? I would say Wii Sport is moving almost *ALL* Wiis, its by far the best show case title for the Wii and aside from Wii Fit and a tiny few other titles there really is very little else that archived similar mainstream media coverage, which along with word of mouth is one of the big reason the Wii is selling like crazy. I am purposefully ignoring all those Zelda, Metroid and Mario games, since if they would have any significant influence on Wii sales, the Gamecube would surely sold a hell of a lot better then it did, since it had all them, tons more, very similar technical capabilities and cost less then the Wii.

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