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Israel, Palestine Wage Web War

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the spilling-over dept.

The Internet 951

An anonymous reader writes "A war has erupted on the Internet between Israel and Palestine, alongside the war being fought on the ground in Gaza. A new report claims that a group called the 'DNS Team' has defaced an Israeli Website, with anti-Israel graphical images — one in a series of instances of 'e-vandalism.' This sort of e-vandalism, says the author, is not only an inconvenience for Webmasters, but many of the images contain malware links and 'redirects or Flash links to Jihadist forums or blogs.' However, while the Jihadist forums are registered in Saudi Arabia, they are hosted by companies like Layered Tech and SoftLayer in Plano, Texas. On the Israeli side, 'A fascinating approach over the last few days is being made by an Israeli Website, "Help Israel Win," which provides a download so your PC can become part of a worldwide pro-Israeli botnet. So far 7,786 have joined, already a fairly powerful global computing force...'"

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Oh boy... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347309)

In before shitstorm.

Re:Oh boy... (5, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347343)

Naw, this conversation about the Middle East will be totally different from the last three or four we've had. Mark my works: Peace will break out in the Middle East and it will eventually be traced back to this one slashdot discussion ;)

Re:Oh boy... (5, Informative)

El Torico (732160) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347431)

Mark my works: Peace will break out in the Middle East...
Yeah, a Carthaginian Peace.

Not to worry! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347779)

The Palestinian hackers blew themselves up after they hacked in to the Israeli website. Old habits die hard...

Jews Are Evil, Land & Water Theives (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26348129)

I hate Jews and so does everyone else.

If you ever brink your hook nosed kike ass around here I'll shove a Katusha so far up your kosher ass that it will lift up your yamakah.

Why is this News? (3, Insightful)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347337)

This is a natural extension of war now-a-days. This is akin to saying, "Soldiers Now Using Bullets in War".

Re:Why is this News? (4, Insightful)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347639)

This is a natural extension of war now-a-days. This is akin to saying, "Soldiers Now Using Bullets in War".

If the dominant hand-held projectile weapon were still the musket, or people just still believed that, then yes, it would be news!

Anyway you may be interested in knowing that not but 5 months before, in the Russia/Georgia war the previous August, exactly the same thing was going on [slate.com] and an intrepid Slate reporter got involved in downloading botnet software from pro-Russian hackers.

Re:Why is this News? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347933)

This style of combat is still new. Note that these are not (officially) government supported groups, just what are for all practical purposes militias fighting each other and occasionally burning down some buildings.

Re:Why is this News? (2, Insightful)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347987)

It's news for 2 reasons

1. War of any type, even in places where there is always war, is news
2. Its a step up from the usual tactics of this place.

Awesome! (1)

GeorgeMonroy (784609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347345)

I will join my PC to a botnet for some dumb online war!

Re:Awesome! (5, Funny)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347495)

Too bad there's not two bot nets battling where you can watch the statistics. Sort of like live CNN war footage for the command line crowd.

Re:Awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26348019)

Too bad there's not two bot nets battling where you can watch the statistics. Sort of like live CNN war footage for the command line crowd.

What about google fight?
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=israel&word2=palestine

Re:Awesome! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26348221)

They should just log into QuakeLive and kill each other until they're bored...

Re:Awesome! (5, Funny)

tritonman (998572) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347513)

yea, if I'm going to waste my CPU cycles to donate to an online war, it will be something useful, like a war between Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie.

Re:Awesome! (1)

orangesquid (79734) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347549)

A help-israel-win botnet is an interesting idea, but... err... what about when it's (inevitably) hijacked?

(Or is the hijack-resistant Storm open-source now? *g*)

Re:Awesome! (5, Informative)

phozz bare (720522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347843)

It should be noted that local Israeli media is strongly recommending to stay away from this website and not to download the software it is offering, citing reasons of the illegality of the action and the obvious possibility of your PC being hijacked for other purposes.

Sorry, I couldn't find a link in English.

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3650277,00.html [ynet.co.il]

Reality check people (5, Insightful)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347361)

Lets have a little bit of perspective and not put some web sites being trashed in the same category as bombs and missiles flying around. The world could do with a little less drama and over statements. Honestly, its OK, you are still important.

Re:Reality check people (1, Insightful)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347505)

Lets have a little bit of perspective and not put some web sites being trashed in the same category as bombs and missiles flying around. The world could do with a little less drama and over statements. Honestly, its OK, you are still important.

You forget that they could attack something mission critical, and it could escalate as it has in the past. What if they were to penetrate the network of a hospital? Of a police station? How about the government's network? Sure, they don't have the "LAUNCH MISSLES.EXE" in the root folder, but they sure could cause some damage on a military network.

Re:Reality check people (5, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347585)

Sure, they don't have the "LAUNCH MISSLES.EXE" in the root folder, but they sure could cause some damage on a military network.

And what is a military network doing being connected to the public Internet?!

Oh wait. They don't actually do that.

*phew*

Re:Reality check people (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347721)

And what is a military network doing being connected to the public Internet?!

Well how else do you expect those of us without landlines and acoustic-coupler modems to play global thermonuclear war?

I saw that movie, too! (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347859)

It was something like "Live Free or Die Hard". And it was hosted by that "I'm a Mac" guy. So you know it is factual.

This is so completely NOT like bunches of kids with spray paint messing up building walls.

Re:Reality check people (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347527)

put some web sites being trashed in the same category as bombs and missiles flying around.

Who exactly is doing that? I'm not seeing it.

Re:Reality check people (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347649)

Well put. Hacking a phone system and disrupting your enemies communications infrastructure? That's cyber-war. DDOS on emergency services? That's cyber-war. Maybe if they're really disrupting commerce for major web-sites this would be worth calling out, but this looks like it's just silly vandalism.

I have to admit, though, when I saw that 'Death to the West' graphic in TFA, my first thought was that it looked pretty cool...

Re:Reality check people (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348089)

Excuse me? I don't see the level of drama you're complaining about. Yes, cybercrime is less important than people getting killed and dismembered. But it's still pretty darn important.

Re:Reality check people (1)

Shagg (99693) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348117)

Lets have a little bit of perspective and not put some web sites being trashed in the same category as bombs and missiles flying around.

Good thing nobody did that.

Re:Reality check people (4, Interesting)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348271)

The "hacking" part is a distraction from the important part of this story: A massive propaganda war. And the outcome of that propaganda war could be as significant to the outcome of the conflict as the bombs. Even if it just makes either side shy away from targeting civilians, it's still hugely important.

Hicks is right (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347363)

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Joining a Botnet on purpose? (1)

mrdoogee (1179081) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347391)

Now I've heard everything.

Re:Joining a Botnet on purpose? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347511)

You've never installed a Windows-based operating system on one of your machines??

Re:Joining a Botnet on purpose? (0, Troll)

slugtastic (1437569) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347659)

But its not "joining on purpose", more like under-conscious submitting of the self to the malware overlords.

Put things in perspective... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347401)

an Israeli Website, "Help Israel Win," which provides a download so your PC can become part of a worldwide pro-Israeli botnet.

I think I will download the software and I strongly suggest that you all do the same. To put the two sides in perspective:

Jews: Isreal has the most gender-neutral society in the entire world.
IslamoSavages: Maim their wives and daughters for showing too much ankle. Frequent gang-rape and forced marriage of underage girls.

Jews: Have the right to a homeland.
IslamoSavages: Wish to indoctrinate the world into the cancer known as Islam.

Jews: Act only in self-defense, strike from afar only at those whose fingers are on the trigger or detonator. Collateral damage is accidental.
IslamoSavages: Set out to instill terror by maiming innocent women and children while indoctrinating their own into suicide missions.

Jews: Don't really care that much about religion.
IslamoSavages: Submit to Allah or die.

Jews: Leading contributors to cutting-edge science and technology.
IslamoSavages: haven't done shit since 1000 B.C. when they gave up the last of their rational humanistic thought. Sit on large patches of oil and get fat.

Jews: Kicked 4 Arab nations' asses only to preserve Israeli existance.
IslamoSavages: Lost some of their land in an ass-backward attempt to conquer Israel, continue to whine about it to this day as if it were Israel's fault like a beliggerent crybaby who got beat up by a man 1/4 his size.

Jews: At worst, rich greedy hooknosed masters of Hollywood.
IslamoSavages: At worst, do you really want to know?!

Re:Put things in perspective... (1, Insightful)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347491)

wow, at first I was going to say your obviously pro Jew however, to be honest just by your own rhetoric you sound more like a extremist very similar to that of hamas(sp)

hatred is negative no matter who uses it, and the fact is truth and history will always come down to a matter of perspective.

Re:Put things in perspective... (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347695)

Well, while the post was a bit extreme and even funny at the end, I can understand where that guy's coming from. But only if there were a true dichotomy, supporting either/or with no option to remain neutral and no chance of diplomacy or compromise given the states of the two sides at present.

People tend to sympathize with the underdog, and that works well in football or choice of operating system, but it's a lot less practical in matters of global warfare(note: not as in "WWIII", at least not yet, but global because "cyberspace" is involved).

Re:Put things in perspective... (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347775)

Well, he is an extremist but he actually hit one valid point, IMHO:

Lost some of their land in an ass-backward attempt to conquer Israel

People seem to forget that Israel has been attacked by her neighbors three or four times in the last 60 years. Is it any wonder that they have a siege mentality?

Re:Put things in perspective... (2, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347961)

To be fair, considering what the Jewish people have gone through in the last few thousand years, I'd wager the siege mentality predates the state of Israel.

Re:Put things in perspective... (0, Troll)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348125)

To be fair, considering what the Jewish people have gone through in the last few thousand years, I'd wager the siege mentality predates the state of Israel.

No doubt. But being invaded three [wikipedia.org] different [wikipedia.org] times [wikipedia.org] isn't very likely to end that siege mentality is it?

Re:Put things in perspective... (1, Troll)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348133)

Israel has every citizen sign up for the military but that doesn't mean they require everyone to go frontlines and risk their lives. There are so many people in the army that they don't need everyone to be frontline and there are other places where people serve more benefit. It's more like requiring people to take PE up to and through college.

The last 3 comments and "muslim comparisons" of the guy are off in varying ways, the rest characterize the PLO and other violent palestinian orgnizations accurately (not all muslims). At some point Palestinians are going to realize that Jews/Israeli's are Palestinians too, and at that point it will show how stupid all of this crap is.

Re:Put things in perspective... (4, Insightful)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348209)

This is one of the things that puzzles me. All of the battles launched by the Arabs began with, "We will be victorious and wipe Israel from the map, God willing." And yet they were unsuccessful in 1948 and 1973, and caught off-guard in 1967 when Israel attacked prior to a likely attack by the forces from three Arab nations. Hezbollah and Hamas repeatedly cite their mere survival as God showing them favor (despite the kill ratio of 50:1 or more enjoyed by the Israelis).

I understand the idea that they may perceive these as challenges from God to be overcome, but at some point, someone has to be thinking that maybe these are messages from God telling them that they're not going to win.

Re:Put things in perspective... (1, Insightful)

eleuthero (812560) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347687)

When I started reading, I interpreted the above as a joke (albeit in poor taste). I am now thinking it was perhaps more flamebait.

The notes at first seem to be correct on the Israeli side with exaggeration on the Islamic side. They then goes into more extremist positions.

The point to which I take special exception is perhaps a minor one in the mind of many--the "leading contributors..." line for Islamics contains a ridiculous statement--The entire force of Western educational structure developed as a result of interaction between Christian and Islamic theologians/scholars in the 1100s and following. Avicena, though I disagree with his philosophical base, was a clear thinker and prompted a response from many in the West.

Re:Put things in perspective... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347823)

I'm a Jew and definite supporter of Israel, but some of your points are frighteningly mistaken.

"The cancer that is Islam"? Come on. Every religion has it's share of crazy fundamentalist quacks reading too much into parts of their holy literature - currently, the fundamentalists of Islam just happen to be a little more numerous and (considerably) more vocal than those of the other major religions. Look back in time - at one point, Christians had a little thing called the Crusades. Hindus in India have been known to form mobs and beat and kill their Muslim neighbors. As for Jews...well, some might even consider the current crisis an example of fundamentalism, though I vehemently do not.

Which leads me the next point: the fallacy that Jews somehow "don't really care that much about religion". What? Sure, they may not go out and scream "TO THE GLORY OF YWHW" before blowing themselves up in a crowded mosque, but that doesn't mean they don't have an incredible fundamentalist and mainstream religious fervor. Watch people rock back and forth in tears and prayer in front of the Wailing Wall and then tell me Jews in Israel "don't really care that much about religion."

"Haven't done shit since 1000 B.C. when they gave up the last of their rational humanistic thought. Sit on patches of oil and get fat." Oy vey. For one, there are Muslims outside the Arab world. For another, back to point one: stop generalizing. Just because a religion has a few (or even a lot) of nutjobs, doesn't mean that the religion itself is to blame.

The rest of your flamebait suffers the same problem. You say Muslims are savages. It would be more accurate to say some some Muslims are savages. It would be more accurate still to say some people are savages.

-1, flamebait (4, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347827)

Such hatred! Gees, no wonder people are dying right and left

Jews: Isreal has the most gender-neutral society in the entire world.

Rank bullshit. perhaps the most gender-neutral in the middle east, I don't think anyone would argue with that, but I think you'll find most European nations (and nations who were settled by Europeans) to be far more gender neutral. In the US, the third in the Presidential sucession is a woman, speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

IslamoSavages
Flamebait. Grow up, boy.

Jews: Have the right to a homeland
So do the Palestinians.

IslamoSavages: Wish to indoctrinate the world into the cancer known as Islam.
And Bhuddists sish to indoctrinate the world to Bhuddism and Christians (I'm one) want everyone to accept Christ as savior. Your point?

Jews: Act only in self-defense, strike from afar only at those whose fingers are on the trigger or detonator. Collateral damage is accidental.

Israel shells near UN school, killing at least 30 [yahoo.com]

GAZA CITY, Gaza - Israeli mortar shells struck outside a U.N. school where hundreds of Palestinians had sought refuge on Tuesday, killing at least 30 people -- many of them children whose parents wailed in grief at a hospital filled with dead and wounded.

Israeli ground forces edged closer to two major Gaza towns, and a total of 70 Palestinians were killed Tuesday -- with just two confirmed as militants, health officials in Gaza said. A top U.N. official called for an investigation into the mounting civilian death toll.

Savages, you say? Seventy dead innocents to kill two soldiers? That's barbaric. Israel should be ashamed of itself, if I was an Israli I'd be at the wailing wall in sackcloth and ashes begging God's forgiveness.

Jews: Don't really care that much about religion.
I see you've not met many Jews. The ones I know are very religious.

Jews: Leading contributors to cutting-edge science and technology.
Gates, Jobs, Torvalds, all Jews? Where do you come up with all this rank bullshit?

Damn it's hard to keep from responding to these damned trolls.

Re:-1, flamebait (2, Insightful)

Antlerbot (1419715) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348143)

Israel shells near UN school, killing at least 30 [yahoo.com]

GAZA CITY, Gaza - Israeli mortar shells struck outside a U.N. school where hundreds of Palestinians had sought refuge on Tuesday, killing at least 30 people -- many of them children whose parents wailed in grief at a hospital filled with dead and wounded.

From slugtastic's post below: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3651722,00.html [ynetnews.com] What do you suggest the Israeli military do in a situation where they have a danger coming from a structure that may or not house civilians? The military has a responsibility, first, to its people, second, to its land, and third, to preventing casualties to other county's civilians. Those Palestinian civilians present in the school should have removed themselves once a military force began using their building as a staging ground. I will not and can not fault a military for destroying a site launching mortars into their territory immediately. It is within their purview, and if anything, civilian casualties are the militants' fault - they should be telling civilians to leave areas they they are planning to use as staging grounds. Of course, civilian deaths are all part of their public relations war - just so people like you can look at the situation and say "Oh hey look, the Israelis just killed 30 people to take out a couple militants! That's barbaric!" Bullshit.

Re:-1, flamebait (3, Insightful)

alexhmit01 (104757) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348165)

Savages, you say? Seventy dead innocents to kill two soldiers? That's barbaric. Israel should be ashamed of itself, if I was an Israli I'd be at the wailing wall in sackcloth and ashes begging God's forgiveness.

You seem to be confused as to the nature of war crimes. It is a SEVERE war crime, Perfidy [wikipedia.org] to do what those two militants did. You are expressing outrage at the wrong side. Those two Hamas Militants caused the deaths of 68 civilians by engaging in Perfidy, their families should be mourning and begging for forgiveness for the acts of their kin.

It is NOT acceptable for militants to hide amongst civilians so that when they are killed, there are civilian deaths.

If 3 men rob a bank, and the SWAT team has to storm it, and innocent people die, do you blame the SWAT team, or the bank robbers? Any harm that comes to someone as a result of your criminal actions is your fault.

Like the SWAT team, the IDF tries to minimize civilian casualties (called collateral damage in military matters), but should NOT be held responsible for those deaths.

Attitudes like yours are WHY this crap goes on. If Hamas were condemned, instead of Israel, from deaths related to their acts of terror (targeting civilians with rockets), or in cases like this, Perfidy, we'd probably have a peace process. Instead, because people like you sympathize with these monsters, the Gazans are under attack because there is no way to root out Hamas. Hamas hides behind "human shields" forcing civilian casualties...

NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CIVILIAN CASUALTY IN GAZA WOULD be AVOIDED IF THE MILITANTS WORE UNIFORMS AND AVOIDED CIVILIAN AREAS, requirements of a militia under the laws of war. Hamas has chosen to increase civilian casualties to mount political pressure on Israel. Every single person that protest this operation BECAUSE OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES has blood on their hands, because you encourage Hamas to maximize the civilian deaths in Gaza.

Israel is targeting the 15000 militants in Hamas. Every peace of collateral damage is a result of Hamas's wanton war crimes.

Buddhism indoctrinating people?!? (1)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348277)

And Bhuddists sish to indoctrinate the world to Bhuddism ...

Of all the religions in the World, Buddhism and Taoism, for that matter, are the only ones I know of that do not have policy of converting people. They're the type of religion you stumble across in a personal spiritual quest and they're more than happy to tell you about it and if you want to partake, it's cool with them and if you don't that's cool too - no pressure either way. And the other thing is that Buddhism is the only religion that does not have a problem with practicing it along with another. Sometimes, I think calling Buddhism a religion is an insult.

I'd be a Buddhist myself but unfortunately, I have no discipline and I like guns.

Re:-1, flamebait (2, Insightful)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348283)

Israel is doing everything in its power to make sure that Hamas never becomes an irrelevant fringe organization. Every mother, brother, uncle, girlfriend, etc they kill today recruits more for Hamas. Hamas recruits with now nothing to lose. Israel is creating their own problems and are clearly wrong.

Re:-1, flamebait (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348351)

Rank bullshit. perhaps the most gender-neutral in the middle east, I don't think anyone would argue with that, but I think you'll find most European nations (and nations who were settled by Europeans) to be far more gender neutral. In the US, the third in the Presidential sucession is a woman, speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

Israel was letting chicks into the military, giving them guns, and sticking them out to be shot at way ahead of the US.

Plus, they let in hot chicks and put them on calendars. Can't do that in the US.

Re:Put things in perspective... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347847)

Jews: At worst, rich greedy hooknosed masters of Hollywood.

I'd say bombing a school and killing 40 children like they did earlier today is worse than that.

Not that I'm supporting the Palestinians here.

They're both sufficiently evil where I can't hold my nose and support either one.

Beware of joining any of these Botnets! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347461)

The EULAs require participants of the botnets that lose virtual battles to report to suicide booths.

If only... (4, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347545)

I wish all wars were web wars. The papers today said the Isralies killed dozens in a UN school, and that nowhere in Gaza was safe.

Go, web warriers! Go away, bullet and rocket warriors. He who lives by the RPG dies by the RPG.

Re:If only... (3, Informative)

slugtastic (1437569) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347817)

The papers today said the Isralies killed dozens in a UN school

To be fair, it seems that (according the army) terrorists were firing mortar shells from structure moments earlier [ynetnews.com] .

Re:If only... (5, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348119)

To be fair, it seems that (according the army) terrorists were firing mortar shells from structure moments earlier.

Yet, amazingly, for all the aerial drones, balloons (yes, balloons) and other visual devices they have, no image of said mortar firing will ever be provided for the public to view. Instead, we're supposed to rely on the word of a military who attacked a U.S. warship in international waters [wikipedia.org] , who deliberately rammed and nearly sank a humanitarian aid ship [cnn.com] and who in 2006, destroyed the only power plant in Gaza [boston.com] .

I'm all for people retaliating when they are attacked, but to deliberately kill journalists, attack your "friends", deny humanitarian aid to those who need it, attack refugee camps, and a whole list of other offenses, is where I draw the line. You want to shape world opinion to your point of view? Quit playing the victim card and start acting like you learned something from everything that's been done to you.

And since when is someone defending their land from an invader a terrorist? Apparently all those Iraqis who fought against the U.S. invasion were terrorists. Same goes George Washington. Hell, by that standard, Red Dawn [imdb.com] was nothing but a propaganda story about terrorists.

Re:If only... (5, Informative)

antibryce (124264) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348287)

Uh, they posted video of mortars being fired from that school last week. [youtube.com] Was it currently being used? We have no way of knowing, but that's how all intelligence works.

Point being the elected government of Gaza was using a UN non-military building as a base of operations to launch attacks on a civilian populace.

Combatants (5, Interesting)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347571)

It could be construed through participation in the botnet, since you are directly aiding in an armed conflict between two foreign powers, that you are in fact becoming an enemy combatant, esp if you look back on the old (now defunct) NSA munitions definitions of software. This happens all the time, but could cause you some difficulties if you need to make an insurance claim on system damage - some insurance companies might consider counter-attacks that damage your files/servers/etc to be acts of war, and outside your policy. Granted this would all have to be tested in court, but particpating in a war as a private citizen is generally discouraged, if not illegal in many cases.

Re:Combatants (2, Informative)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347949)

Granted this would all have to be tested in court, but particpating in a war as a private citizen is generally discouraged, if not illegal in many cases.
At least without a Letter of marque [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Combatants (1, Troll)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348039)

Since when any person helping "Israel" in any way has been declared "enemy combatant"?

Was there ever any non-Muslim declared as "enemy combatant"?

Re:Combatants (2, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348071)

Yes, because someone sending spam from their computer is obviously as bad as driving a car bomb into an embassy. In other news, terrorism is now a meaningless fear word. And "aiding an enemy foreign power"... is there anyone left that isn't in that category these days?

We have always been at war with Oceana.

Coherent plan vs. terrorism (3, Interesting)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347675)

IMO, it's interesting to note the difference between the two. Israel seems to always have its military act together, beginning with the war it fought right after it got its land [back].

On one side, we have what was termed "e-vandalism." On the other side, we have a very planned strategy to do something, although I don't know what yet.

Just an interesting look into the different ... tactics, if you will.

Disclaimer for contextual reading of this comment: I am pro-Israel, anti-terrorism, and I really do think Israel wants peace and Hamas wants no-live-Jew-on-face-of-earth. This is not an anti-Jew post.

Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348097)

What kind of lame disclaimer is this? You have to literally kiss some asses as well, bro.

Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (2, Interesting)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348109)

IMO, it's interesting to note the difference between the two. Israel seems to always have its military act together, beginning with the war it fought right after it got its land [back]. On one side, we have what was termed "e-vandalism." On the other side, we have a very planned strategy to do something, although I don't know what yet. Just an interesting look into the different ... tactics, if you will. Disclaimer for contextual reading of this comment: I am pro-Israel, anti-terrorism, and I really do think Israel wants peace and Hamas wants no-live-Jew-on-face-of-earth. This is not an anti-Jew post.

You may as well ask why the Anarchists of Spain didn't organize themselves into a highly regimented vertical power structure and defeat their enemies rather than being defeated. The answer is, they thought it was immoral. This is practically identical. The Islamic people call the Jews "The People of the Book", and it is their position that those sort of power structures are sinful and wrong.

Disclaimer for the contextual reading of this comment: I am anti-Israel, pro-liberty, and I really do think the people of Israel are racists, thieves and war criminals who need to be stopped, not because of their bloodline, but because of their vicious ideology.

Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26348145)

I don't find this post interesting at all, except to insert the poster's own prejudice.

What are you terming "terrorism"? Surely the Israeli response is more organized, but that's it. Sure "e-vandalism" doesn't sound so great, but this "planned strategy" from the Israeli response using botnets isn't somehow morally better, it's just more organized.

If you read the article another response is simply pro-Israeli hackers keeping any Hamas websites offline. This is likely more organized and successful than "e-vandalism" but in no way would I refer to this as you have as "e-vandalism vs. terrorism."

In fact I don't even know why you mentioned terrorism except to simply insert your own prejudice in referring to the Palestinian position as "terrorism" and the Israeli position as a "coherent plan." The article is about a web war between the two sides and that's it.

My own disclaimer: I am pro-Palestine and don't agree with Hamas' positions, but believe the Israeli government is every bit as morally reprehensible as Hamas.

Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (5, Insightful)

jerAzevedo (1326315) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348215)

Well of course there are going to be different strategies. The Palestinians don't have anything. They're being suppressed by Israel who is systematically cutting off all food, water, and medicine into the region with a huge military funded by the US.

Israel bombs the hell out of them and the Palestinians shoot a few rockets back and deface a couple websites.

It's interesting how the media treats this as well. "Israel retaliates against terrorist rocket attacks." We have situation where an entire group of people is being oppressed by one of the most well-funded militaries on the planet, can barely get their hands on a few rockets to defend themselves, or food to feed themselves, and when Israel breaks the cease-fire agreement the US media is sympathetic to Israel.

Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (2, Insightful)

qw0ntum (831414) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348269)

If the difference between a legitimate military campaign and terrorism is a plan, what does that make the US invasion of Iraq? What does that make the Hezbollah resistance in 2006, which many would claim to have been executed with a well-defined plan? Also, how would we know that those perpetrating this vandalism are at all associated with the Hamas leadership? How are we to know what plans Hamas has for defense of Gaza, given that no journalists have been allowed inside by Israel, which has explicitly (and quite understandably) stated they want to control the images coming out of Gaza?

Methinks your definitions are troublesome.

Another thing that makes defining terrorism troubling. A Hamas missle hit an empty Israeli school here a few days back. That was terrorism. Today, an Israeli bomb hit a Palestinian school, killing 30. We assume good faith for the Israelis, saying their action was a mistake or that the school was really a Hamas hideout, despite what the outcome of their action was (a bunch of dead children). My gut tells me it's a lot easier to miss a target with a homemade rocket than a smart bomb, so are we so quick (in this specific instance) to demonize Hamas while being lenient towards Israel? To me, both acts were acts of terrorism.

I'm not trying to argue with you, really. In fact, the only point I'm trying to make is calling some group "terrorists" makes a very complicated situation one with a moral "good" and "evil" side. The "good" can do no wrong, while the "evil" can do no right. That's no way to work towards a solution.

Disclaimer: I believe that the IDF has committed acts of terrorism in the name of national defense of equal or (more often) greater magnitude to those committed by Hamas in the name of nationalism, and I further believe that my point is backed up by the deathtoll on each side over the past ten years.

Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26348311)

Hamas just holds the opinion that there was a small Jewish population in the Palestinian area until just after world war two when they moved in in large groups making themselves the dominant population and creating a state that everyone has an inexplicable want to support at Palestinians expense. Palestine is on the defensive but no one wants to see it in that light. I am also anti terrorist and what Israel is doing is only one step short of terrorism they make agreements they have no intent to keep knowing Hamas or someone else will get frustrated enough to fire a rocket or even just a rock, which got a young teen killed the ensuing protests and "terrorism" by Palestinians was used by Israel to justify hundreds of arrests and attacks that resulted in thousands of Palestinian deaths many who were not involved in the violence merely lived near someone who was, and can then go in smashing opposition but leaving it intact enough to come back and cause problems again so the cycle only continues with Israel taking more and more land every time while looking like they are defending themselves. The United States is not far behind either since we supply Israel with plenty of weapons as well as make sure that no stable coherent Palestine exists to be negotiated with.

Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (1, Troll)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348315)

...beginning with the war it fought right after it got its land [back] and the some.

Fixed it for ya.

GIYUS (5, Informative)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347703)

theres also GIYUS (im not gonna link) they have 40,000 members regularly trolling on large forums and newspapers such as Guardian regarding any topic about Israel/Palestine

this been going on for long time

Warring Botnets? (2, Insightful)

GunDawg (1365295) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347733)

This makes me think of the old Star Trek episode - A Taste of Armageddon, where no actual fighting takes place but a computer determines the casualties on each side and then those number of people on each side have to enter a machine to be killed.

future of volunteering your computer into a botnet (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347767)

It's a sort of a seti-at-home kind of thing when you look at it that way... I wonder if in the future we'll start seeing more of that, where there are more than just a small handful of distributed computing projects that you can pick from as to where you want to donate your cycles to.

Wouldn't it be wild to see advertisements for this once it becomes a commodity? Or even to have a management app on your computer to decide what percentage of cycles you are donating to what projects. You get a list, and can fill in boxes or drag sliders to show how much you are donating to protein folding, DRM hacking, pharmaceutical research, global cooking simulations, star scanning, etc. Have a list of hundreds or even thousands of different causes you can easily select and join.

I don't see any reason why this won't come to pass in the next 10 yrs. I'm saving a copy of this post and going to see if I made a good call...

Re:future of volunteering your computer into a bot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347915)

your future is already here - http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

it's almost exactly what you describe

Re:future of volunteering your computer into a bot (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348327)

Not such a good thing if you are British. When bobby snoops your pc and finds out you are supporting the Hammas botnet, they will finger your collar and ask you to help them with some inquiries down at the station.

Careful that no one puts the Hammas botnet software on your pc for you!

This sort of thing could get ridiculously out of hand very quickly.

Re:future of volunteering your computer into a bot (1)

Antlerbot (1419715) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348367)

Take this to its extreme - I imagine election night-like coverage following the "votes" people make with their cycles. Or even better, a game show:

"...and the votes are in for this years' Guam-south African conflict. It looks like...YES, GUAM TAKES IT! CONGRATULATIONS, GUAM! Tell him what he could win, Johnny!"

"Well, Bob, behind one of these doors is a U.N. cease-fire resolution! Behind another, 15.67% of South Africa's land and lasting resentment! Behind the third, a lifetime supply of CHOCOLATE! Choose wisely, Guam!"

Quality of sites in Israel. (1)

muxecoid (1061162) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347871)

I live in Israel I know how websites are created here. Once I inherited code for eShop that was destined to be given to the customer soon. Server part had glaring SQL injection vulnerabilities, the HTML/CSS part did not look the same or even correct in not a single browser. But the worst part was the boss who thinks it is OK to ship this to the customer without fixing and charge money for it. I hope our webmasters will learn from what happens now.

So far 7,786... idiots? (1)

Gorgonzolanoid (1394311) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347935)

Net-criminals have been known to try and make money out of natural disasters etc. before. War can be seen as a disaster too.

What guarantee did the 7786 in this case get that the botnet they've wilfully joined will be used for what they're being told, and not for more common purposes such as sending spam, hosting dirty pictures of big and/or little children, and selling fake medicine with the same advertized effect of making a certain male body part grow?

Palestinian botnet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26347943)

What if I want to support the Palestinians? Where's the botnet for us?

Re:Palestinian botnet? (1)

slugtastic (1437569) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348093)

Just visit one of their sites.

...but many of the images contain malware links and 'redirects or Flash links to Jihadist forums or blogs.

I'm disgusted. (-1, Troll)

gd23ka (324741) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347975)

I'm disgusted. Thousands of innocent civilians are getting maimed and murdered as I'm typing this and you have the audacity to ask
people to join a zionazi bot-net. I'm no Palestinian or Arab myself, but get this: FUCK ISRAEL.

Re:I'm disgusted. (2)

slugtastic (1437569) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348185)

It's not like the terrorists themselves dont care about civilians and hide in the most populated areas while launching their rockets at Israel... Oh wait.

Idiots (2, Insightful)

Britz (170620) | more than 5 years ago | (#26347989)

There is no winning this war. As much as I support Israel and their right to exist without rockets being fired on them left and right they are the bad guys in this case. They usually are these days if you look at the body count. The Hamas was provoked into breaking the ceasefire. The IDF sent a special forces unit into Gaza to break up a tunnel for smuggeling. They could have done that on the Isrealy side.
But elections are coming up and Baraks popularity (Ehud Barak is a former PM, currently heads the defense department and masterminded the war) has surged. The whole thing could easily backfire as we have seen with the war in Lebanon and the political end of Peres.

The blockade of Gaza for such a long time should be considered an act of war. The whole Gaza strip is practically a prison. And Egypt is not helping either.

Back to the web: The occupation of former Jordanian areas (where the Palestinians now live) is being used by all the nationalistic arab governments of the region to divert public interest away from their corrupt regimes. So there is always a lot of propaganda going on. And that propaganda has moved to the web. There are a lot of very ugly anti Israel webpages out there. With tons of very ugly lies.

Re:Idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26348257)

There is no winning this war. As much as I support Israel and their right to exist without rockets being fired on them left and right they are the bad guys in this case. They usually are these days if you look at the body count.

Yes, if you look purely at body count, as opposed to the whole situation. Its like cherry picking your arguments.

The Hamas was provoked into breaking the ceasefire. The IDF sent a special forces unit into Gaza to break up a tunnel for smuggeling. They could have done that on the Isrealy side.

Wait, let me get this straight. Hamas was provoked because the IDF sent troops in to stop an underground tunnel into Israel from being completed, and your argument is that Israel should have waited for the tunnel to be finished before it did anything.

There are so many things wrong with your logic, I'm not even sure where to begin.

DDOS'ed ?? (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348047)

Considering the site wasn't linked in the summary or the article, it would make the slashdot effect null, no ? So it looks like the criminal botnets have gone from DNS redirect to DDOS ...
Help Israel Win [help-israel-win.org]

Re:DDOS'ed ?? (1)

Gorgonzolanoid (1394311) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348219)

No DNS entry for that domain here, and neither for help-israel-win.com
Both domains pop up at google though, as #1 and #2 for "help israel win", so they must have existed.
Google's cached version of the page reports 7040 registered botnet members.

I predicted this last year!!! (1, Funny)

flipmack (886723) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348115)

I blogged about this last year when China wanted to be the first country in electromagnetic dominance. From my blog:

China: HEY USA, ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
USA: What you say?
Taiwan: Somebody set us up the bomb
USA: Why China yelling?
China: CAPS LOCK KEY NOT WORKING. BEIJING NOT YELLING
USA: China yelling at Washington DC. Scramble jets. drop bomb.

Makes perfect sense (1)

mrboyd (1211932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26348325)

A lot of people a ready to contribute to a cause they care for.

There was a link on reddit the other day that led to giyus.org which distribute a "community organizing" tool called "Megaphone" which apparently is used to point the community towards pro or anti jewish/israeli articles so that this community can react. I assume by spamming blog or creating a sort of slashdot effect.

This blogger (http://futurenewstoday.blogspot.com/2009/01/israeligirl-violates-digg-tos.html) says that they are using it to artificially increase rankings or submission pro-israeli on sites like digg and reddit.

I don't think it can be considered a botnet in the sense that the software doesn't seem to act on its own. Although I don't know for sure because I didn't want to take the risk to install it. If they really have the nearly 40K users they pretend they surely have the capacity to some damages :)

All consideration of whether you agree more with Israeli or Palestinian aside, it is not my point.

I just think it's a very astute concept. Apparently the pro-Israeli camps took a page from the russian mob and got a headstart but I would bet that the first one to start an open-source "botnet" project that people can use to rally their own community whether they are mujaheddin or PETA fan will become quite famous. If only I had more time on my hand...

Distribute your open botnet with some basic plugins such as diggburry.py and wordpress-comment.py and it will be a lot of fun. ;)
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