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All of Vietnam's Government Computers To Use Linux, By Fiat

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the power-to-the-people dept.

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christian.einfeldt writes "The Vietnamese Ministry of Information and Communications has issued an administrative ruling increasing the use of Free Open Source Software products at state agencies, increasing the software's use both in the back office and on the desktop. According to the new rule, 100% of government servers must run Linux by June 30, 2009, and 70% of agencies must use OpenOffice.org, Mozilla Firefox, and Mozilla Thunderbird by the end of 2009. The regulation also sets benchmarks for training and proficiency in the software. Vietnam has a population of 86 million, 4 million larger than that of Germany, and is one of the world's fastest-growing economies."

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Fiat? (4, Funny)

Rombuu (22914) | more than 5 years ago | (#26361983)

Man, I don't know.. they make some pretty crappy cars, I'm not sure I'd trust them to make a decent operating system distribution.

Re:Fiat? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362023)

Fiat also means: decree: a legally binding command or decision entered on the court record (as if issued by a court or judge);

They should move to OSX instead (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362097)

A giant customized Starbucks in Cupertino California where lattes and no soy skim macchiatos are given out free to all employees. The background music involves a playlist of Nora Jones, David Matthews, John Mayer, and Bono on loop from an Ipod docked somewhere in the Apple/Starbucks facility. Hours are long but morale is surprising high as developers, hardware and software, are given 30 minute breaks to masturbate to the new itunes interface.

All developers sit at cafe type tables with a Mac Book Pro while their lord and master Steve Jobs stands deskless in his predictable attire of a turtleneck and jeans. In fact, this is the preferred (mandatory) dress code at Apple. Jobs walks around to each and every department, separated by latte and vegan preferences, and checks on the performance and efficiency of his developers. At any given point in the day one may see Mr Jobs yelling at a programmer for not implementing a button in the perfect shade of corn flower blue (#6495ED) and immediately sends him to the apple punitive chamber, consisting of a HP Compaq running Vista Basic.

There are 2 software development departments and 2 hardware development sections in Apple. For software there is the Apple core team, Apple Open Source team. In hardware there is the Apple systems and management team and the iDevice team. Since the OSX kernel consists of a BSD darwin kernel there is no real need for low level programmers and as such the entirety of the Apple core team consists of UI designers and photoshop junkies. All software churned out from the core team is designed in a program strikingly similar to Visual Studio's form designer but with Cocoa Objective C generated instead. The 16 hour day (Jobs demands 16 hour days since he himself never sleeps) of a core dev involves lining up the right shade of chrome with the latest photoshopped graphite button and maintaining the correct color scheme, not an easy job at all.

The Apple open source team involves a little bit more coding, which is mandated to be done in TextEdit or the option of a $80 third party mac text editor. The Apple open source team doesn't actually create much code but searches the internet for interesting BSD licensed software and modifies it as it's own through obfuscation and conversion to objective C. Many of the items a mac user sees comes from the open source world stamped by apple such as the ability to play music taken from 67 different originally linux based players, CD burning, and the overall ability to click a mouse. Apple's legal department has no qualms about this practice and has assured many that since most of the code is BSD and if any is GPLed many Linux hippies should be grateful that Apple fostered WebKit by using KHTML and adding some Gecko bloat. Perhaps one of the most important items that the open source team has done to date is use parts of the FreeBSD to keep the kernel up to date.

There's not much to say about the Apple systems and management team. I suppose they can be classified in to desktop and laptop systems. Because hardware work is beneath Apple in general and thought of being only worthy of Windows Users and as such can be found working on these beauties in the starbucks bathroom. Desktops are currently made by buying dell machines and putting them in Lian Li cases, where the majority of the costs goes to buying titanium Apple emblems to paste on the sides. Laptops consists of the rebranding of only the most silver and black Sony Viaos but talk has been going around about rebranding Asus EeePCs for a new Apple netbook but you didn't hear that from me, for fear of my life.

The iDevice team's job is to develop for the ipod, iphone, itouch, and many other portable electronics apple may release in the future. Their jobs are very interconnected with the open source team as well as the core dev team. Using firmware from random samsung devices and giving it an OSX skin the ipod stands as a shining example that infringement only applies to greasy file sharers and that the music player remains the best in market. The 16-24 hour day of an iDevice dev consists of partly implementing Zune security flaws and creating new novel ways to make the click wheel sounds, while a majority of the time is spend just playing with (read testing) products future and past.

And there you have it, the mystery of Apple unveiled. Also on a side note to those who are worried about Job's health. He is fine but is trying a new diet consisting of Soy Nuts and Anger.

Re:They should move to OSX instead (4, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362147)

Wow, someone actually typed all of that.

Re:They should move to OSX instead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362349)

I sat naked on the bench in the health club locker room, staring at the tiles on the floor between my feet, but really looking at nothing. I was waiting for Jamal to decide to come up ant talk to me. He was this muscular teenage nigger who frequented the club and had ruined my life in the last few weeks. I was ordered to sit naked on the bench without a towel or anything to cover my nakedness. I had to keep my legs spread and my cock and balls visible for the anyone In the locker room who wanted a look. I knew instantly that it had been a mistake to sign up at the inner city health club which was eighty percent black, but It was near my house and cheap which was even more important.

The harassment had started on my first visit. Dark skinned, muscular black boys bouncing around the locker room with their huge dicks and pendulous sacks of balls swinging, high fiving each other and laughing and rapping, and there I was, this moderately built white guy of thirty two.

I will never forget coming back from the shower and one chocolate skinned thug of about eighteen let out a "weeeeeeeow" kind of sound and then said very loudly to me, loudly enough for all his pals to hear, "White man, how the hell can you fuck wit such a small dick?" They all roared with laughter and I turned bright red. Before I left that first time, I med Jamal. He eased up to me while I was packing my gym bag. He is one good looking darkie, I will say that for him. He flashed me a big white toothed smile and said he hoped I wasn't thinking of quitting the club. He said he was friends with the manager and they had my address and shit, and it would be really unfortunate if I decided to quit. Then he laid one large basketball player sized hand on my shoulder and said that he would see me at the same time the next day.

Well, that's how it started. It got worse each time I went to the club. Jamal and the other niggers got me to get towels for them, had me scrub their backs in the shower, even made me pick their dirty stinking jock straps up off the floor. They sent their filthy jocks and socks home with me to wash for them.

Now let me state here once and for all, that I am in no way at all gay. I don't think I ever even had a gay thought. So all of this really repulsed me. They would brush up against me so their big fat black dicks rubbed my body. They would make constant jokes about me being a faggot.

So I had it out with Jamal. I told him I was a single parent with a thirteen year old daughter and in no way gay, and I wanted to quit the club. That mention of my daughter was the biggest mistake of my life. Jamal demanded to see a photo of her. Her name is Crissy. After that, all they talked about was "Crissy the Cunt" in the locker room.

"Some fourteen year old school boy probably shoving his dick in her right now while you is at da club."

They would say things like that. Jamal would ask, "Do you suppose she had ever sucked black dick?" I told them she was totally innocent, and they should keep their foul mouths to themselves. They beat the shit out of me.

I didn't go to the club for a week. All the windows were broken on my car, and my newspaper was stolen, and somebody pissed all over our door. I received a package at work, and when I opened it, there was a pile of shit in a box. I was going nuts with anguish. I thought of going to the police, but I knew I would face even worse if I did. So I went back to the club. That was two months ago. A lot had happened in those two months.

Now I sat waiting for Jamal to speak with me. He walked up, stark naked. The first thing I saw were his huge brown feet next to me. I looked up at his long muscular legs. How could I miss the seven inch flaccid dick, thick as a flashlight and the ball sack that looked like it had oranges in it. It was fucking obscene. His stomach was hard and tight. His ass was one of those round tight nigger bubble butts. His chest well defined with large nipples. He had a killer smile, thick nigger lips, and dark flashing eyes that often looked drugged. He had only recently gotten out of reform school for molesting a girl on the playground.

"So, my man, how's that little dick of yours hangin'?"

I spread my legs wider so he could see my pathetic shriveled white prick and small ball sack. If I didn't keep myself on display for them at all times, they would have a wet towel snapping session where my scrotum was the target. It hurt like hell and was totally humiliating.

"So, bro, is everything set up for tomorrow?" He stood close to me...so close that his huge flaccid hunk of fuck meat brushed my shoulder. His dick was so huge, it was just fucking obscene, and that was in its flaccid state. He had not showered yet, and his body reeked of the nigger stink of his workout.

"Please. Please don't do this. I know I agreed, but that was after you had beaten me almost senseless. Please, isn't there some other way?"

He lifted one leg and put his foot on the bench next to me. His gigantic balls swung back and forth in their fleshy sack.

"Dere is no other fucking way, man. You don't wanna even think of what we gonna do to you next time you disobeys us. Dere is no other way. Now it so happens dat I needs me a new girlfriend, and your pretty little daughter fills da bill."

I felt my stomach turn over. I tried to relax, to breath deeply, but I felt like I was choking. This teenage nigger thug was talking about my daughter. My little Crissy. My thirteen year old angel. He had announced to me that he wanted her to become his girlfriend! Jesus Christ!

At first I had bluntly refused, letting my anger and disgust show. All the niggers in the club gathered around me, about fifteen of them, and Jamal announced that I was racially prejudiced and didn't want him dating his white daughter. They started to slap and punch me.

"It's not that. Honest to God, I swear, it's not that you are black. It's that she is only thirteen. She's my innocent baby!"

Jamal roared with laughter. "Any bitch of thirteen is totally ready for dick! She probably sucking da boys at school every day anyway by now." He looked at the photo of her which he had taken from me. "Yeah, she got real cocksucker lips, she shore do!"

"Oh God no, she's just a baby." I was crying in front of all of them.

"No, daddy, you gots it wrong. She is a babe...not a baby. Dat pretty little pussy is ready for some nigger popping!" Half the niggers surrounding me were getting hard ons, and I don't there there was one under eight and a half inches.

For weeks I had argued, begged, pleaded, tried to bargain with Jamal, but he only wanted one thing. My daughter's virgin pussy. Once I stood up to them and told them I would go to the police. They had dragged me naked and screaming into the health club bathroom and forced me to eat turds out of the toilet bowl. I was sick for two days. The next time I went to the club, Jamal had made me suck his dick. That was the first time I saw it erect. Over twelve inches of throbbing leaking nigger cock. I had a panic attack and literally tried to run out of the club.

They held me down on a bench and Jamal fed me his black fuck meat. His balls almost suffocated me. His dick choked me. He even made me suck his ass. What could I do? I agreed to let them have my daughter. I know, I am an awful man. A sinner. It is unforgivable, but I am scared out of my wits.

"So, tomorrow, I comes over to yo house dressed up real good. You introduce me to yo bitch daughter. Now when I sees her, dis is how I wants her dressed. A very tight tee shirt dat says printed on it, "I Love Nigga Dick!" She will wear no bra under it so I can see the tips of her budding little titties through the material. Den she is to wear her nice pleated cheer leader skirt like in da photo, only I don want her to wear no panties under it. From now on, yo daughter is forbidden to ever wear any panties. We want dat fresh young cunt and ass ready and available at all times. I want you to have some really top drawer booze at yo house ready for me. I am not sure what I will want, so you better have enough to satisfy me, whatever my taste might be. Who da fuck knows, I may want a cosmo, or maybe some of dat Louis XIII Brandy dat costs three hundred dollars. You better have it all. After I has a drink, you pretty little bitch and I gonna sit on da couch and get acquainted. Dat means you as da daddy get to watch me finger her cunt and play wit her titties. You gets to see her meet my big fat old dick and even lick and suck it a little. I always insists on sex on da first date, cause how else you know how a bitch perform, right? Shit, I insist on sex on every date. I mean dat is da only reason for da fucking date..to plow some pussy! Right? Otherwise I'd rather hang wit da home boys. Now she gonna be a little uptight and scared at firs...right? Specially when she see my dick and she know dat huge motherfucker is gonna plow her virgin twat! Oh yea, if she got any hair on her cunt yet, you make sure she shave it all off before tomorrow. I wanna see bald thirteen year old pussy."

While he said all of this to me at the health club, his dick got thicker and thicker and long strings of pre-fuck started to hang from the fat pisshole.

"Please don't hurt her...please." I was shaking in my naked agony.

"Hurt her? No why the fuck would I hurt my new girlfriend? I gonna love her. I gonna show her da pleasures of lovemaking. Shore, it gonna hurt a little da first time I ram my twelve and a half inch motherfucking dick balls deep into her tight little teenage pussy. Shore it gonna hurt when I pounds her as hard as I can, and den pull out and shove it as hard as I can up her little asshole. Shore dat gonna hurt a little, but dat is jus' part of growin' up. A her daddy, you understand dat. Right? Better to hab some nice boy like me who wants her for his girlfriend fucking her, den every boy at school who don't give a shit about her. "Now don't you worry, I gonna take her into the bedroom to fuck her cunt and ass. I think dat is private. I mean, you can watch da first time she suck my balls and lick my dick and such. But fucking is between a guy and his girlfriend. I wants you dere at the start...at the sucking part, cause she is gonna be scared like I say, and you can calm her. Tell her it is a natural part of life, and she just gotta learn to please a man. She, she shoulda learned dat couple of years ago already. She is a late bloomer. Now I am gonna want to use her bedroom for da first fuck,cause I wants to fuck her little bitch body in her teenage bed, wit all her teenage shit around. It will be so hot. But den, I is moving into your master bedroom. You can sleep on da couch. I wants a nice big bed and luxury for future fucks. I gotta fuck at least three times a day, usually more. Now of course I still going to be bangin' other cunt, but I will fuck your daughter regularly cause she is my number one girlfriend. My special bitch. I ain't gonna introduce her to my bros until after I fuck her for a week or so. Den when she broken in, I gonna share her with all da boys from dis here health club. Dere about twenty of us here as you know, so she gonna be pretty busy sucking nigga dick and getting ass and cunt fucked. We gonna do mos' of it over at yo house. You have lots of food dere at all times fo my brothers when dey comes over to fuck your daughter. Since she be fucking most every day all day and night from now on, I suggest you apply to home school her. Dat way, she don't even need to think about school and she can concentrate on nigga cock all da time."

"Please, please use condoms...." I had tears running down my face.

Jamal roared with laughter. "Condoms? Shit...no. We never use condoms. It ruins da fuck. Dat little bitch gonna be pregnant in a couple of weeks at mos'. You gonna be da grand daddy of a nigga chile! And who knows. She young. If she stay tight enough and cute enough, maybe we fuck her for three or four years, you know, pass her around, pimp her out. Shit, she still young enough. She could hab five or six nigga babies! We don' allow no abortions. She gonna breed. Now my brothers and daddy be comin' over lots to fuck her too, so you better have lots of keys to yo house made, or jus' leave the fucking place unlocked. She don't leave da house without permission. I would hate it for both of you if some black bro comes over for a good hard fuck, and she not dere! Now I know you worried about her. Don' be. After a few days of getting nigga dick, she gonna love it so much, dat all she gonna live for. I seen it in young white bitches lots of times. Someday she gonna thank you for all dis. I mean how many girls her age so lucky to get ten to fifteen black cocks a day? Long as her pussy and asshole hold up, she be happy. One thing, she gonna hab to be a really good cocksucker, cause One thig is dat when da boys in my hood meet up wit guys from other gangs...we got dis thing. We hab our girlfriends suck da cocks of all da members of the other gangs, as kind of a peace signal, you know, a sign dat we is kewl and everything is okay. So she gonna pretty much hab a dick in her mouth twenty-four seven for da next few months. She gonna be sucking on nigga dick even when she getting fucked by my bros. Dis house gonna be pretty packed full of black boys! Now, after a bitch has sucked fifteen to twenty dicks a day, she often get a real tired jaw and swollen lips and a sore tongue, so you gonna have to tell her no matter how tired she get, da last dick of da day she suck, gets jus' as good a suck as da first one in da morning. You gotta make sue she understand that. I can't have no bad reports from rival gangs dat my bitch can't suck! Now we gots one more problem. Da little bitch gonna be so busy getting fucked and sucking dick, she ain't gonna hab no proper time to clean up da dicks after dey fuck her cunt and ass! You know it da bitch's job to clean a dick wit her mouth after a brother fuck her. I mean, you can't expect a brother to walk around wit pussy slime or ass juice on his dick. But she gonna be so busy, she ain't always gonna hab time to clean up, so you my friend is going to have to step up to da plate to help her. You gonna be the official dick cleaner. You gonna lick and suck da dicks clean after dey fuck yo bitch of a daughter. I want you naked on you hands and knees at all times around da house, ready to lick and suck dick clean. And you gonna do a fine job too, I just know it. You get all dat stink off da cock. Maybe you can entertain da brothers waiting next in line to fuck yo daughter too by lickig dere balls and assholes. I never thought of dat until just now. Hot damn, dat is a good idea, ain't it? So dey don't get bored while dey waitin. And den, to keep your daughter fresh and tight, after every three or four fucks, you gonna crawl in and suck the nigga cum right outta her pussy and asshole. Think how great dat is. You gonna get to suck some thirteen year old pussy and asshole! How lucky is dat? You gonna clean out her cunt real good with yo tongue so it is ready for da next nigga. We gonna be da happiest family you ever seen! Now come on, white boy, suck my dick, can't you see it dripping all over da floor?"

I put my mouth over the head of the huge leaking hunk of fuckmeat, and resigned myself and my daughter to our new destiny.

Re:They should move to OSX instead (5, Funny)

SecondaryOak (1342441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362771)

On a MacBook Wheel [slashdot.org] , no less!

Re:They should move to OSX instead (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362217)

Also on a side note to those who are worried about Job's health. He is fine but is trying a new diet consisting of Soy Nuts and Anger.

You troll, I LOL.

Re:They should move to OSX instead (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362239)

Long-winded and boring. If you really want to poke at Mac users, why not use the tried and true? [kottke.org]

You, sir, are no asset to the trolling profession!

Straight and to the point (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362369)

The Niggers be at yo house at about 7pm to rape that sweet ripe ass of yours. The crew just got out of da lock up and we be hungry for the rape. If yo daughter be there too tell her uncle tyrone gonna be there cause tyrone like them young. 7pm, Bring Yo Tears.

Re:Straight and to the point (0, Troll)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362541)

He is a Slashdotter. Good luck rolling that 800+ pound mass over to find his rear orifice. You will likely rape his belly-button by mistake. Also, there is absolutely no chance he has a daughter (or any progeny at all).

Re:They should move to OSX instead (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362547)

attention whore

Re:They should move to OSX instead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362725)

Many of the items a mac user sees comes from the open source world stamped by apple such as the ability to play music taken from 67 different originally linux based players,

Apples (and Macintoshes) were playing music when Linus torvaldes was still shitting his diaper. Ok, that doesn't narrow it down much. They've been playing music since Linux was sucking his mom's tits. No, that doesn't narrow it down either. Well, the Macintosh has been playing music since 1984.

Re:Fiat? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362543)

We Only Organize Special Heads

Re:Fiat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362689)

Oh I get it and got it when I first read it. Very clever.

Alpha Romeo (1)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362825)

Linux Quattrofoglio spyder.

Re:Fiat? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362537)

And Fiat is made in Italy, not Vietnam. /I personally like Fiat, especially the Spyders and such.

Re:Fiat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362551)

Crappy cars? Name me an american or european brand that beats azian cars! Problem is: they do not exist.......

Re:Fiat? (1)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362719)

When Fiats were sold in the US (i.e., the 70's and 80's), the joke was that Fiat stood for "Fix It Again, Tony." Even by American car standards, they were pretty unreliable, and rust-prone, and you couldn't get a decent wiring diagram to save your life.

The quality has improved, and the new Cinquecento, which was like the Italian Mini Cooper, may even be imported to the States.
Even so, I can't resist offering my favorite anti-Italian-quality acronym, for Alitalia: Always Late In Take-off, Always Late in Arrival.

Re:Fiat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362671)

fiat happens to own ferari

hooray! (3, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26361985)

It's time to take the FREEdom out of FREE software!

Re:hooray! (1, Redundant)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362131)

The government is demanding open source software be installed on government agency computers. Nothing wrong with that.

Re:hooray! (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362337)

No, but there is something wrong with requiring Linux. There are other open source operating systems, and some are better for some tasks than Linux. Treating Linux as a one-size-fits-all solution is almost as bad as doing the same with Windows.

Re:hooray! (4, Insightful)

maddskillz (207500) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362437)

But there is also something wrong with trying to support different operating systems and different office productivity suites.

sovereignty (4, Insightful)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362685)

Agreed. This is why Peter Quinn's sovereignty argument for OpenDocument in MA was so apt. It's not about Linux, but communicating lofty ideals like Free Software to government types is difficult. When you start talking about the ancient political documents like a constitution though, and government responsibility to preserve them in a neutral format, things become a lot clearer. Add in the Peruvian arguments for an openly competitive economy based around open standards in software, and it's clear that government's absolute responsibility is to choose free software and standards. So no, Linux should not be forced, but yes, free software should. Our taxes should not prop up individual corporations -- especially when that monopolizes their power and cripples other parts of the economy.

Re:hooray! (2, Interesting)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362901)

Don't worry. To the officials, it's "this Linux thing" if it's not Windows and not MacOS X.

And the ability to fit into everything is, I think, the point of Linux: The freedom to change it to your needs goes so far today, that Linux runs on the smallest handhelds and appliances, and on the biggest servers and supercomputers. In some way, there is no "Linux". There is just a set of kernels, userland toolkits, GUI desktops, and so on. Combined, they result in some Linux or BSD distribution... or something in between, or something different (like MacOS X).

Windows on the other hand, is rigid.

Please hand in your geek card, for not knowing this. ;)

Re:hooray! (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362463)

I disagree. It's not strictly wrong, but it certainly is a slap in the face to the ideals that the OSS community seeks to champion. The community advocates choice: individual departments, at the least (individual user choice would be ideal, but impractical), should be able to choose what works best from them.

Also, there's a great deal of humor value in having "free" and "by fiat" together in the same statement. Nothing wrong with recognizing the hilarity!

Re:hooray! (0, Redundant)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362651)

I do no think that has to do anything with Linux as much as with Micro-Soft putting more pressure on 3rd world governments to curb piracy. It is hard to put pressure on commercial entities there, but government (vulnerable to external political/economical influence) is always easy target.

IIRC, Vietnam tops the list of most pirating nations. What is not surprising with monthly wages in range of $50-100. Windows even at $20 is still too expensive.

Re:hooray! MORE POWER *TO* THEM... (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362733)

If they can keep ms' grubby hands off of 75 million people, communist government or not, I'm ALL behind them. The corruption, as in any country, will never go away, but hopefully they can de-colonialize themselves of mshaft. It's the only way to TRY to be sure...

Next up! (5, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#26361997)

Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer take a S.E. Asian vacation...

Re:Next up! (-1, Flamebait)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362143)

I hope they get AIDS.

Re:Next up! (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362575)

I'm sure they both already have aides.

Re:Next up! (1)

richardbirks (898884) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362265)

... then what better time to invest heavily in a Vietnamese furniture manufacturer.

Chairs (5, Funny)

mfh (56) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362443)

Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer take a S.E. Asian vacation...

You cannot scare Vietnam with office furniture.

News for Niggers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362003)

Stuff that matters!

For every desk in Vietnam... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362011)

...there will be a box on that desk running Linux. And under each desk will be a prostitute sucky-suckying and loving you long time.

Next week article. (4, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362017)

Microsoft offers a new deal to Vietnam. Vietnam goes with Windows for 5 more years.

I may be skeptical. Using the Linux card is a great way to get a better deal from Microsoft. The bigger you yell the better the deal.

Re:Next week article. (5, Insightful)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362213)

Yeah, it's not like we haven't seen this story before. It's cropped up in South America and Africa. Microsoft always jumps in offering a steep discount and the organizations in question end up quietly changing their mind. It seems like the best way for a government organization to get a huge discount from Microsoft is to mandate Linux usage.

Re:Next week article. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362305)

If they're bluffing M$, they just made a quick buck. If they're for real, they made a very wise investment.

Re:Next week article. (2, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362373)

I may be skeptical. Using the Linux card is a great way to get a better deal from Microsoft. The bigger you yell the better the deal.

Eventually though they won't be able to offer discounts anymore because they won't be making any profit. It's not a sustainable model. Sooner or later, Microsoft is going to have to eat cow.

Re:Next week article. (2, Informative)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362713)

Microsoft isn't competing against free.
They are competing against the price it will take to do a full switch to Linux vs the cost to stay and get new windows licenses.

As Linux gets better that cost gets smaller. Their may be a point where it isn't profitable for Microsoft. But it is a case where the product is already made, and covered their cost in the US and other areas. Then they can go really low on the price for a while.

reasons for moving to Open Source .. (4, Informative)

rs232 (849320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362591)

"Using the Linux card is a great way to get a better deal from Microsoft"

Among the reasons cited [silicon.com] were:

to reduce commercial software license fees,

freedom from foreign-owned technology,

greater security,

curbing the number of infections from Windows-based viruses and

to gain technological leadership on platforms relatively free of dominance by large multinational corporations ...

What do they have against BSD and OpenSolaris? (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362025)

n/t

Re:What do they have against BSD and OpenSolaris? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362393)

Exactly my question. For a lot of uses, one of these can be a better choice than Linux. Mandating open source software means you don't get vendor lock in, but mandating Linux also means that you might well not be getting the right tool for the job.

Re:What do they have against BSD and OpenSolaris? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362511)

I don't know about the submitter's sources, but the article referenced in the summary doesn't mention Linux, at all.

Re:What do they have against BSD and OpenSolaris? (1)

fwarren (579763) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362831)

Remember, to get "Most Favored Nation Trading Status". These countries are supposed to get their piracy rates down to under 10 or 20%. With software piracy at over 80%. Government is one of the major offenders.

This is a solution to that problem. Not one that Microsoft is going to like living with. But hey, no one in Vietnam will be stealing Microsoft's precious IP.

Re:What do they have against BSD and OpenSolaris? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362687)

In one word: penis!

!all (4, Interesting)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362035)

All of Vietnam's Government Computers To Use Linux

According to the new rule, 100% of government servers must run Linux by June 30, 2009, and 70% of agencies must use OpenOffice.org, Mozilla Firefox, and Mozilla Thunderbird by the end of 2009.

FTA:
by June 30, 2009, 100% of servers of IT divisions of government agencies must be installed with open source software;

I really doubt all of the Vietnam government's computers are servers. Also, Open Source does not neccisarily mean Linux. (not that BSD is a bad alternative)

Emerging Solutions (4, Insightful)

mfh (56) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362051)

Penguins?!? in Vietnam? It's a cold day in hell boys!!!

Also, this bodes well for Open Source everywhere. Eventually all other countries will follow suit and the people will have government systems that work best for their diverse cultures, tailor made UIs and logic, that can also extend inventive solutions.

Also knowing what is in the source code helps identify potential threats to national security.

Re:Emerging Solutions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362113)

'tailor made UIs and logic'

I can make the UI look like whatever you would like on Windows. I can implement any logic you want as well.

how is that a good reason to use OSS?

Re:Emerging Solutions (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362287)

Eventually all other countries will follow suit

That's optimistic. Not many countries are big enough to influence others with a decision like this. Why should they care? This is less important that the fact they speak different languages.
Also, this could be used as FUD by MS lobbyists "Linux is evil because it is being used by those communistic Chinese and Vietnamese."

Better would be some international organization (NATO, UN, NAFTA) adopting it.

Re:Emerging Solutions (1)

mfh (56) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362539)

That's optimistic. Not many countries are big enough to influence others with a decision like this. Why should they care? This is less important that the fact they speak different languages.

Working models influence decisions. Vietnam could easily release their version of the OS as a defacto government solution, making them valuable, to other global trading partners. Do you think China will turn a blind eye to this? No, they will request a copy of it to study it. They might even use it, if it's any good.

When you get China to use your software, that tends to have a ripple effect.

Re:Emerging Solutions (2, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362809)

China currently uses Red Flag linux.

Re:Emerging Solutions (2, Funny)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362289)

Also, this bodes well for Open Source everywhere. Eventually all other countries will follow suit and the people will have government systems that work best for their diverse cultures, tailor made UIs and logic, that can also extend inventive solutions.

You BET! Every country on the globe (with the exception, perhaps, of Cambodia) is eager to follow in anything that the hip, trendy Vietnam does. Hell, I would be surprised if the United States can resist the trend, I predict they will issue a government mandate to run free software* by 2010!

*Of course, don't hold me to exactly what that free software will be. The US Govt could, pretty easily, simply mandate that Microsoft Windows be given to them for free.

Re:Emerging Solutions (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362403)

That would be bad for MS. There would be a key floating around that they couldn't justify deactivating.

Re:Emerging Solutions (4, Insightful)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362545)

Also knowing what is in the source code helps identify potential threats to national security. I have been thinking the same thing, that has to be one of the biggest selling points of open source.

Re:Emerging Solutions (3, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362657)

Penguins?!? in Vietnam? It's a cold day in hell boys!!!

Black Footed Penguins [wikipedia.org] (also known, according to Wikipedia, as "Jackass Penguins") would likely feel right at home there, seeing as how they are native to Africa. They have a couple in the zoo here, they keep them inside during the winter.

When is somebody going to name a Linux distro "Blackfoot?" It would be HOT!

Re:Emerging Solutions (4, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362763)

Eventually all other countries will follow suit

Are you suggesting there will be a domino-effect?

Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362081)

Probably doing that to stop government employees from playing Star Craft. Er wait I'm thinking of South Korea...

Re:Huh (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362359)

That is only a deterrent if nobody finds out about WINE and they don't need to use Battle.net

Lead time? (3, Informative)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362093)

Yikes, I hope no one was using SQL Server. 6 months to move every system to a new operating system? Moving one single system is a huge effort that most companies wouldn't even think about doing in such a short time.

Re:Lead time? (2, Insightful)

eleuthero (812560) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362187)

don't worry, it's much more likely that cousin X will talk to cousin Y and cousin Y will pay off department supervisor Q and the entire Northeastern half of the country will get a 5 year "extension" for switching

Re:Lead time? (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362673)

Yikes, I hope no one was using SQL Server. 6 months to move every system to a new operating system? Moving one single system is a huge effort that most companies wouldn't even think about doing in such a short time.

Technically, you could convert the Windows install into a virtual machine, install Linux and fire up the virtual machine with Windows installed on it, and you'd be in compliance. If I was one of the technicians responsible for implementing this, and knew I wasn't going to make my deadline, that's what I would do.

It's amusing to watch Vietnam do what USA should (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362183)

But then, we have too many people here in denial.

Also, think about the fact that Vietnam has a lot of people who were educated in France, where Open Source is more common in government.

Re:It's amusing to watch Vietnam do what USA shoul (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362485)

Right, because what every country needs is for the government to establish a monopoly by fiat.

Re:It's amusing to watch Vietnam do what USA shoul (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362669)

Linux = monopoly?

Since when?

Maybe you should talk to MS about that.

Re:It's amusing to watch Vietnam do what USA shoul (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362751)

When the government is only allowed to use is Linux, then yes, you've created a monopoly within that specific market segment. And governments are large markets in most economies.

And the Microsoft monopoly bit is pretty tired by now. There's Linux, OS X and a variety of smaller OS variants that are available. Using political force in this manner is worse in my opinion than any "unfair competitive practices" Microsoft has done in the past.

Re:It's amusing to watch Vietnam do what USA shoul (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362785)

Why exactly should the US move to Linux? Can any single Linux company offer the support that the US government can get from Microsoft? Is Linux as easy to use as Windows for those who aren't technologically savvy? Can everyone use Thunderbird as well as they can use Outlook, and is the calendaring as good with Thunderbird as it is with Outlook?

The point of the matter is that one size does not fit all, and when it comes to desktop productivity Linux doesn't do as well as Windows. When it comes to servers, my father in law (who helps set up systems for the Air Force) tends to use a mix of Windows and Solaris, so there's no monopoly either way there. Why on earth should the government use open source when the closed source solutions make more sense for them?

Re:It's amusing to watch Vietnam do what USA shoul (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362893)

oh, I thought it was the black code in the OS they were objecting too ...

Next up! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362199)

Vietnam war 2.0!
CIA drops thousands Windows Vista Home Basic installation discs into the jungle.
Vietkong is hiding in their basements running make menuconfig and compiling their kernels.

LINUX FTW! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362201)

Good for them! I can't wait until the USA makes this same decision.. Might help out our shitty economy

Not necessarily good (4, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362247)

IMO, this is not necessarily good. Forcing free software on someone is not going to generate all good comments. In fact, forcing someone to use something, especially if they aren't used to it, usually generates more complaints - not because the new thing is actually worse, but simply because they are being FORCED to use it.

I dunno. I like using Linux and I think it's a good alternative to Windows, but forcing people to switch doesn't really show Linux to be a "good alternative," doesn't make people want to use it on its own merits, etc... it makes it look more like a financial move, not a "This is better software" move.

forced to use 'free' software ? (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362401)

"IMO, this is not necessarily good. Forcing free software on someone is not going to generate all good comments"

Beats forcing people to use software through the use of MOUs [mofa.gov.vn] and when was the last time you can provide a citation for, when management consulted people on what software they used?

Re:forced to use 'free' software ? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362513)

I am going on the assumption that they were previously using Windows. I didn't read the article.

Assuming they were using Windows, forcing the switch from Windows to Linux is a pretty big switch... for most non-geeky people anyways.

I'm looking at this from a user-perception-of-Linux/open source software and how this might affect it. If the switch were reversed, I'm guessing the consensus that being forced to use Windows when people are used to Linux would create general dissent against Windows because of the forcible change, not necessarily because of Windows vs. Linux (I think we have to admit that most users, unless they are in the IT field, don't really care about the difference between Linux and Windows, as long as it works).

Re:Not necessarily good (5, Insightful)

0racle (667029) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362481)

The company you work for most likely dictates many of the tools you use. This is no different.

Re:Not necessarily good (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362807)

I'm not saying they don't have the right to say what to use. I'm saying that the switch may produce undesired perceptions about Linux. Just like forcing a bunch of PC users to use only Macs would do the same about Macs. People just don't like being forced to change, and when they are forced to change (being hired new is a bit different from having been there and THEN undergo a big change), their perception about what they are newly being required to use is generally colored with the dislike of being forced to use it. Especially when it's a "big" switch, like Windows -> Linux is. No, it's not a big switch for people that know what directory structure are, blah blah blah, but for someone that doesn't know much past "My Documents" and "The Internet (TM)," it can definitely be a big change...

BINGO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362835)

I work for the U.S. Federal Govt, and they mandate that I have to use this Microsoft Windows system at work. Thank God I don't have to use that steaming pile of shit at home!

Not forcing anyone (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362503)

Who forced them to make this decision? As far as I can tell (with the article so short on details) the Vietnamese government came to this decision of their own free will. Yes, they're allowed to decide what software to install on their own computers.

As for the psychological effects, it shouldn't really matter why they chose Linux. The fact that they chose it indicates that it's better for some reason. It could be for security reasons. It could be for philosophical reasons. It could be for financial reasons. It could simply be that they were tired of dealing with licensing (or the risks of lacking licenses). All are excellent reasons to switch.

I applaud their decision and hope that others make the same decision, at the personal, business, and governmental levels.

Re:Not necessarily good (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362745)

They may bitch about it, but in the end they become more proficient and more likely to use it in the future. I work with a dude who loves perl and java with a fervor that would match a die-hard mac fan. In the end, he programs most of his personal stuff in php because that's what he uses here at work.

send in the Linux attack team .. (4, Informative)

rs232 (849320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362263)

EDGI [edge-op.org] is a customer-focused program that is for circumstances (like the one you reference) where an education and/or government customer is going to purchase naked PC'S or PC'S w/Linux ..

under NO circumstances lose against Linux .. "

netcraft confirms it!!!! (5, Informative)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362361)

The Communications Ministry of Vietnam is running ASP.net on Windows Server 2003! oh the ironing! [netcraft.com]

Oh the ironing! (2, Funny)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362531)

Is that some sort of laundry joke?!?

Re:Oh the ironing! (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362567)

like a sweatshop.

Well, duh. Communist country, communist software. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362391)

Damn right it's flamebait, you got a problem with that?

Open standards are more important (4, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362407)

I think open standards are much more important than open source software. The ability to use your favorite program to get a certain task accomplished without having to worry about compatibility problems is worth much more than wether you use open source or not. I would much rather use Pages instead of OpenOffice if it only would support ODF, for instance.

straight from MS FUD central .. (2, Informative)

rs232 (849320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362681)

"I think open standards are much more important than open source software"

Straight out of the MS FUD manual. Like, let then use 'free' software as long as they us our Intellectual Property and Patent dues. When does your shift on slashdot finish ?

Next Edict... (1, Troll)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362449)

"Make my open office spreadsheet do [something just like excel], or, its the John McCain poke cage for you!"

Re:Next Edict... (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362717)

I'd be happy if it would open the excel sheets my HR department has and print the damn things properly. I can't figure out why (all the paper/margin settings are correct) but it always prints the entire document in a 1.5"x1" space...

Re:Next Edict... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362905)

They tested OpenBSD first but Vietnamese people and flames do not mix well.
*sigh*

Mmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362451)

I love the smell of FOSS in the morning.

Who Needs Choices? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362491)

When the self-appointed know-it-alls of the Party apparatus are ready to make them for you?

How long until Obama The Great Leader decrees all U.S. Government computers will run Ubuntu?

Can't wait for his first Five Year Plan.

Microsoft wins the 2nd Vietnam war! (5, Interesting)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362579)

If you go to any asian country, you find stacks and stacks of CDs and DVDs filled with mislabelled stuff from Microsoft to Universal studios. So, the thought of Vietnam actually paying for a bunch of Windows licenses just seems rather remote to me.

I would be willing to bet that Microsoft has been quietly watching Windows get rolled out all across Vietnam, knowing that, they don't have but a dozen licenses for the entire country, and a million copies of Windows, and just let Vietnam build all of their infrastructure on top of it.

Then, once they see the Vietnamese are hooked, they sent in a salesteam to ask them to pay for it, or they will shut the country down. Vietnam of course issues its edict, but both they know and Microsoft know, that Vietnam now belongs to Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates.

Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon both roll over in their graves, and somewhere, on a dark night, the leaders of Microsoft enjoy a drink to celebrate the triumph with Henry Kissinger, Dick Cheney and the Bushes. "Hey, we might have f--- up in Iraq, but we finally won Vietnam."

Wrong way around... (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362601)

According to the new rule, 100% of government servers must run Linux by June 30, 2009, and 70% of agencies must use OpenOffice.org, Mozilla Firefox, and Mozilla Thunderbird by the end of 2009.

So wait... first you switch everyone's Operating Systems, which is a bitch to get used to, and then, half a year later, you try to get them to use OS application suites?

What do they use from June 2009 to December 2009? "Microsoft Office for Linux"?

Re:Wrong way around... (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362623)

Wait - "servers". I suppose individual work-stations will stay on Windows until later. That makes sense.

Decline of the LAMP stack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362619)

Since last year or so, I've started paying more attention to the server software that various online entities use that I interact with. It disturbs and disheartens me to see the non-MS server stack at very few places. These are major banks, governments, travel companies, utilities, in the US and in India.

Some examples are Chase, Valley Credit Union, Reserve Bank of India (equiv. to US Fed), ICICI Bank, HDFC Bank, Comcast, dataone dsl, Auto Insurance companies, such as Geico, Progressive, Jet Airways, etc. etc....

It looks like all hope is lost...

I send an email via their customer contact form, if it is a governement agency, or a bank, citing security issues, waste of money, and the closed nature associated with proprietory software. I am sure this is a meaningless exercise, but what can one do beyond that, and taking your business elsewhere if feasible?
 

They're just trying to cover their ass (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26362641)

The instruction also requests that computer traders not sell PCs installed with cracked software, but open source ones.

Nobody buys software in Vietnam. Seems they got some heat from software vendors for not going after "piracy", and now they're trying to enforce the only alternative to cracked software, i.e. free software.

Ballmer, are you listening? (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362655)

According to the new rule, 100% of government servers must run Linux by June 30, 2009, and 70% of agencies must use OpenOffice.org,

I guess it's time for Steve Ballmer to catch the next flight to Hanoi with cash and incentives in his briefcase. If this approach worked in the past [infoworld.com] why shouldn't it work one more time?

Go Ballmer go!

Me so horny? (2, Funny)

SoundGuyNoise (864550) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362691)

Good thing software will be free. My mom only lets me spend $5.

Change Hurts (1)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362757)

Change Hurts
Big Changes Hurt in Big Ways
Small Changes Hurt in small Ways

Linux in Vietnam is the bandaid, some choose to remove them slowly, some, quickly.

Either way the bandaid comes off.

Communist and Socialist nations tend to be able to handle the big changes quicker through mandate while capitalists tend to peel slowly. TO each their own, I for one avoid getting cut in the first place...

no minister .. :) (3, Insightful)

rs232 (849320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26362765)

I wonder when 'Le Doan Hop' the Minister of Information and Communications, is going to be relieved of his job and trashed in the press.

"I'm sure you'd like to hear from Peter Quinn, formerly CIO [groklaw.net] of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts"
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