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Unemployment Claims Crash State Web Sites

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the sell-your-computer dept.

The Internet 233

1sockchuck writes "A sign of the times: a surge in filings for unemployment benefits has crashed online application systems in four states this week. Web sites in Ohio, New York, Kentucky and North Carolina have been knocked offline by unusually high volumes of jobless claims. Phone applications systems appearing to be faring even worse in many states. The thin silver lining: states are hiring workers for phone banks and buying new servers to prop up their web sites."

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HUH?? (-1, Troll)

Drumforyourlife (1421647) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367809)

Seriously? People are too lazy to go to the unemployment office? Why am I paying taxes again?

Re:HUH?? (2, Insightful)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367849)

You're paying taxes because if you don't, men in dark suits come for you and make you go away.

Re:HUH?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26367881)

I was sweating the other day and I noticed that my armpit smelled like my girlfriend's vagina. In a moment of clarity I realized that I had no girlfriend and had been performing cunnilingus on my own armpit all these years.

Re:HUH?? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26367919)

At least you're not a nignog.

She Said Some Day I'd Understand What Love Was All About
I Could Have The Kids She Was Movin' Out
Said She Finally Found A Man Whos Dick Was So Much Bigger
And Then That Scum Bag Wife of mine Ran Off With A Nigger

And To Think I'd Ate The Pussy Where That Big Black Dick Had Been
And Kissed The Lips That Sucked Him Off Time And Time Again
Its Enough To Make A Man Throw Up It Sure Is Hard To Figure
How Any Decent Girl Could Ever Fuck A God-Damned Nigger

He Treated Her Just Like A Queen She Gave Him All My Money
It Looks Like The Jokes On Me But I Don't Think Its Funny
That Pussy Ain't Worth Paying For As Far As I Can Figure
Cause There's Nothing Quite As Bad As A White Girl With A Nigger

And To Think I'd Ate The Pussy Where That Big Black Dick Had Been
And Kissed The Lips Who Sucked Him Off Time And Time Again
Its Enough To Make A Man Throw Up It Sure Is Hard To Figure
How Any Decent Girl Could Ever Fuck A God Damn Nigger

Re:HUH?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26367963)

I'm not unemployed, but here's my story:

I dropped a brown rope this morning the size of a small black child. At one point, I wasn't sure if I was taking a shit, or it the shit was taking me. And while I'm on that point, what's the deal with taking a shit? Shouldn't it be leaving a shit? I'm certainly not taking anything with me when I'm done.

But back on topic, unemployment sucks ass

Re:HUH?? (0, Troll)

danking (1201931) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368229)

Fucking racist. Who the fuck are you? Can this IP be banned somehow!

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368263)

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Re:HUH?? (1, Insightful)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368383)

I think the same trolls are somehow getting mod points left, right, and center.

The parent is most definitely not a troll.

Re:HUH?? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368439)

Right. We can't have an open forum for the free exchange of ideas, because somebody might make a post containing the word "nigger." Just filter out low-rated comments. Let the moderation system do its job and get on with your life, it's much easier than bitching about it. Though if you insist on bitching about it, I more than support your right to do so.

Captcha: theses

Re:HUH?? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368389)

If (hypothetical) you came home and found a black guy bareback fucking your wife, would you eat the creampie?

Re:HUH?? (1)

MacDork (560499) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367859)

Seriously? People are too lazy to go to the unemployment office? Why am I paying taxes again?

You were too lazy to hand deliver your first post on a velvet pillow to slashdot headquarters? Gosh, the nerve of some people...

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368011)

Seriously? People are too lazy to go to the unemployment office? Why am I paying taxes again?

You were too lazy to hand deliver your first post on a velvet pillow to slashdot headquarters? Gosh, the nerve of some people...

 
Would that be in Wilmington DE or in the Grand Cayman Islands?

Re:HUH?? (4, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367861)

Huh? Why would you waste gas traveling to the the unemployment office? Plus they can fill out job applications when they're done vs the time wasted traveling to and from the office plus waiting in line.

Re:HUH?? (0, Troll)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367983)

Because if you are unemployed you shouldn't have the internet. If you can't afford the Gas to drive to the unemployment office. You take bus or the subway or you get off your lazy ass and walk or bike. When I was poor I went to the library. I couldn't afford the $40/month for internet.

Nothing is more disgusting than watching Best Buy drop off a Plasma screen TV to Government subsidized housing and I know full well they all have the $150/month HDTV Cable plan.

My parents raised 4 kids on about half of what I make now (and no, inflation doesn't come close to counting for the difference, Born in '82). I hope we hit another depression. Grandma and Grandpa knew how to live frugally. Before she passed away I had the opportunity to talk to my grandma about the great depression and what life was really like.

Frugal is not having the internet. It is not having to downgrade to the basic cable or even have a TV. It is not having $90/month Cell phone plans.

When these people have to start cutting their flour with cardboard to make it last longer, call me.

Re:HUH?? (5, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368035)

Because if you are unemployed you shouldn't have the internet.

Yeah, because as a computer programmer, the first thing I'm going to do to cut back when I get laid off is sever my connection to the job boards and cut off my email access to everyone I know who might be in a position to hire me. F-ing genius.

Re:HUH?? (-1, Troll)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368151)

I missed the part where those forums and your e-mail wouldn't work at the Library.

Re:HUH?? (5, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368167)

I missed the part where those forums and your e-mail wouldn't work at the Library.

I don't get why you think making it more difficult for them to find work will get them off of Unemployment faster.

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368201)

They would, if you don't mind other people getting their grubby fingers all over your passwords and personal information. Having your own Internet connection is much cheaper than you think(you don't need a 500Mb connection to check your email), and it's safer/easier. You know, you could be a lot happier if you'd quit hunting everywhere for something to get pissed off about.

Re:HUH?? (2, Interesting)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368287)

I missed the part where we're transported to an alternate universe where the crotch rubbing porn surfers monopolizing the workstations at the library jump out of the way to give job seekers priority

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368371)

Oh, so now we're letting unemployed people keep their cars, filling up our public roads on their way to our public libraries? Pah!

Re:HUH?? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368413)

Rule of thumb I've found... every good job I've gotten I came in through an e-submit. Every rotten job I came in through the mail.

Re:HUH?? (5, Informative)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368559)

    I don't think people quite get it.

    I was in the same situation. I've done IT work for longer than most people here have been able to read. :) When I got laid off, I did two things. I filed for unemployment, just in case I couldn't get a job, and then I went job hunting. The unemployment forms in my state take a couple hours, and a good bit of research. How much did I make at that job two years ago? What is their current contact information? Oh shit, the company moved out of country, but I still have to list someone who can verify I worked there. What's their current mailing address? A contact? A phone? I haven't talked to them in almost two years, why should I know this? Even the office phone number was on speed dial ... on my work cell phone that I turned in on my last day there.

    After I got done the unemployment paperwork, which the unemployment office actually recommended doing online versus one of their branch offices which just has a terminal to do it online, I then went job hunting. I called every contact I could think of. I checked all the job boards. I went to interviews at crappy places. One of the best was with a scientologist run company. I never "interviewed". They had me take their pseudo-psych profiling test to see if I was worthy. When I researched the test they gave me, I'm sure I scored in the "don't ever contact this person, he will be subversive" range. :) It took a few weeks to get another job. I'm not a McDonalds level employee. I'm close to a C-level tech person (CIO/CTO, depending on the size of the company). While contacts may be begging me to come over and work for them while I'm employed, that window of opportunity isn't always still available the day I need new work.

    I collected two checks from unemployment, and that was it. $250/week, the ceiling for unemployment in my state. It wasn't much, but it insured I could put gas in the car and feed the family until I got my next job.

    Just because I just got laid off, should I disconnect all my services (power, water, phone, internet), and sell my computers? Hell no. The next job is coming soon, and I *NEED* those. Without them, I wouldn't have landed my next job. I found them on a job board. I applied online. I spent 8 hours a day browsing what was available, and matching them up to my skills. Well, some days I spent at head-hunter offices, with no real advancement. "Oh, we can place you immediately, we'll call you tomorrow". They'd all, say that they sent my resume to some company at a vague loation, and then never hear back. My resume, although glowing, was just one in a stack of 100 that they sent to each place. Head-hunters used to be great. Now they're trying to make a buck too. Hopefully they can get one of those 100 hired, so they make their commission.

    I thought the head-hunters had forgotten about me, until I got a flurry of "offers" in a few weeks ago. I actually read them (I'm working, so I'd usually ignore them). They were all for the same job. Everyone was so hopeful to be able to make that deal. It's really sad out there right now.

    I say keep what you have, for as long as you can. My "home office" now consists of one PC and a laptop, because I'm no longer living in my nice house, with lots of room for my whole setup (which has since been sold or given away). I'm hopeful that the economy will get better, because if it doesn't, I'm almost tempted to beg to join the Army. Sure, I'll get shot at for 15% of my old pay, but it'll pay better than McDonalds, even though I'll run the risk of getting killed daily. When it gets bad enough, McD won't be any safer. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If you haven't eaten in a week, bringing a gun (the last valuable you own) into McD to rob the place for food and cash on hand doesn't sound all that bad.

   

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368047)

I couldn't afford the $40/month for internet.

Good thing Internet service is available in most areas for 5-10 dollars a month, if not free w/ ads.

Job HUH?? (1)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368541)

I couldn't afford the $40/month for internet.

Good thing Internet service is available in most areas for 5-10 dollars a month, if not free w/ ads.

Quoted so you all can see it. I've been there, done that, am currently wearing the T-shirt.

$10.00 a month really is cheap for what you get out of it. Some may want to keep that in mind next time life kicks them in the pants and some SOB comes along with their "helpful" advice.

Re:HUH?? (4, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368063)

Sorry but the utility of having internet service FAR outweighs the cost, especially when you are unemployed! When I was laid off during the last recession it was probably the best bill I paid, I was able to apply for probably hundreds of jobs that were never advertised offline and eventually landed one of them. The fuel I would have burned and the wear and tear on the vehicle driving to the library every day would have been significantly more. Not to mention that the library has a limited number of seats and so if everyone did as you suggested there wouldn't be enough seat hours to go around. Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed these people are NOT getting something for nothing, they all paid their unemployment insurance tax while working as so are perfectly entitled to the benefits.

Re:HUH?? (2)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368303)

Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed these people are NOT getting something for nothing, they all paid their unemployment insurance tax while working as so are perfectly entitled to the benefits.

I don't know what state you live in, but that's not true in California. Employers don't pay into the State Unemployment Fund, employers do. Then, if they fire somebody, that person is entitled to unemployment compensation, taken out of their former employer's contributions. That's why (in California) if you quit, you don't get any unemployment benefits; by quitting voluntarily, you forfeited them. BTW, that's why your boss just loves to hear you say, "You can't fire me; I quit!"

Re:HUH?? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368425)

Think of it as the football quarterback about to be pulled down for a loss of 3 on 4th and long. You can either be a man and take the hit, or throw the ball to nobody... costing you five yards and the ball still goes over to the other team after a call of intentional grounding.

Pride is nothing... take the unemployment money. It's your tax dollars for the situation you found yourself in.

Re:HUH?? (1)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368639)

"Not to mention that the library has a limited number of seats and so if everyone did as you suggested there wouldn't be enough seat hours to go around."

I'm not sure if it was CSMonitor or the BBC but libraries already are having a demand problem, partially caused by the diminishing economy. They're already setting up limits and upgrading lines.

Re:HUH?? (0, Flamebait)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368097)

right you genius, 25 years of inflation is nothing at all......

"I hope we hit another depression."

i sincerely hope your one of the first to lose your job asshole.

Re:HUH?? (4, Interesting)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368193)

Maybe some of the GP's post were a bit off, but he has a great damned point. I'm reminded of working a drive through and seeing a guy in a nice hotted up car, the full kit - a gorgeous rumble, nice rims, interior done right up, custom paint job and so on - counting out 5c pieces so he could get three meals for 4 kids who looked so damned grubby they could have come out of the deep fry along with the burger I was giving them. I'm not claiming to know their exact situation, but I had the distinct impression that he put everything into the car at the detriment of his partner and children. The same annoyance happens when I see cable or sat. dishes on government housing out here in Aus.

I don't hope we have another depression, but I'd like to see some enforced restrictions on what you can use your unemployment money for. Like not getting fox or 52" screens.

Re:HUH?? (5, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368315)

According to this website [inflationdata.com].
CPI in 2008 is 211.08, in 1982 was 94.3.

My parents currently make $42k. I currently make $78k. Assuming their jobs were adjusted for inflation they only made quite a bit less when I was born.

I'm socking away money left and right while kids that I went to college with go out and buy big TVs and new cars. My house is set at 45 degrees. I've shut off my hot water heater and shower at the gym (Which costs me less than what running the heater would cost, plus I work out there too). My car is 12 years old and has 220k on it (but still runs fine). Growing up my dad would get 1-2 years out of a $500 car and get another one. I buy almost everything second hand, including clothes.

I do have some 'nice' things like the internet and my MacBook Pro and a house a bit nicer than my parents. But it's frustrating to no end to drive past the subsidized housing on the way to work and see nicer cars than me. People crossing the street on iPhones and wearing brand new clothes. People that bitch they have no money but have plenty of money for 2 packs a day. Some people need to be taught the difference between Want and Need.

And my company has never had an engineering layoff in the entire 85+ year history of the company. I think I'm doing pretty good.

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368483)

My car is 12 years old and has 220k on it

What, you don't walk to work? Uphill? Both ways?

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368117)

Because if you are unemployed you shouldn't have the internet. ... (rant partially redacted) ... When these people have to start cutting their flour with cardboard to make it last longer, call me.

Sounds like someone needs a hug...

Re:HUH?? UH HUH! (4, Informative)

JavaManJim (946878) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368189)

You say "My parents raised 4 kids on about half of what I make now".

Could you be a bit more specific? Lets look a little closer.
A. What did your parents make in '82?
B. Go to the Minneapolis Federal Reserve home page.
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1084177&op=Reply&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=26367983 [slashdot.org]
C. In the "What is a dollar worth" program
C1. Type 1982 into the year
C2. Type your parent's 1982 income amount into the "goods or services" field.
C3. Type 2008 into the "Then in" field. 2008 is the latest year they have data on file.
C4. Press the "calculate" button.

Finally let us know the result!

This Fed calculation is quite useful for all time oriented dollar amounts. You will notice that news sources constantly compare today's dollar to yesterday's dollar as if they were the same. They are not.

Thanks,
Jim

Re:HUH?? (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368205)

Considering there are ISPs that offer plans for less than 10$ per month, I fail to see the point? I think there are even advertisement-paid ISPs offering free connection...

Re:HUH?? (4, Interesting)

visualight (468005) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368209)

Disconnecting your internet connection when you need to be searching for a job is the most retarded idea I ever heard. It's an enabling resource, as is a phone and an automobile depending on where you live.

When these people... You're 26 years old and you're so worldly and wise that you get to refer to the down and out as "these people" ? Or is it that you've never been one of them? Do YOU know what it's like to stand in line at a mission? To buy half chicory coffee? Ever live in your car for months at a time? How many times have you had to come to home to people dependent on you and announce you've been laid off? Can you relate to a desire ( the INSTINCT ) to preserve some semblance of normalcy for your family?
I think you lack the needed perspective to be judging these people.

And THIS: Nothing is more disgusting than watching Best Buy drop off a Plasma screen TV to Government subsidized housing and I know full well they all have the $150/month HDTV Cable plan.
I gotta call you out on this one. Nothing pisses me off more than the never ending made up welfare cadillac anecdotes. That's right, I'm saying you made that shit up, you never saw Best Buy drop off a Plasma TV to a government subsidized home.

If there's a Just God, He'll grant you some experience in these matters.

Re:HUH?? (1)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368495)

I've never seen best buy drop one off, but I sure have seen them in peoples windows driving by some of the poorer areas of my neighborhood.

Re:HUH?? (2, Insightful)

ITEric (1392795) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368245)

Sad to say, I am currently unemployed. I go next door to my in-laws' house for internet (a definite luxury). Many of us do not have access to buses or subways, and are miles away from the "local" unemployment office (my local library is just as far). If I have business with the unemployment office that cannot be handled via internet, I call the office first before using the gas to drive.

I have a cell phone ($50/mo.) rather than a land line, so any potential employers can contact me whether I'm home or not. I don't tend to watch a lot of TV, but when I do watch, it's generally PBS on an old second hand set with rabbit ears.

I grew up poor in a rural area and know a thing or two about frugality. I never had a computer of my own until I learned to build one from discarded parts.

My point is, just because someone is unemployed and using the internet and a cell phone doesn't mean they are wasting limited resources.

Re:HUH?? (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368273)

I, for one, applaud your grandparents for having the fortitude to be able to live without the Internet during the Great Depression. Truly, their sacrifices knew no bounds.

Re:HUH?? (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368297)

I hope we hit another depression. Grandma and Grandpa knew how to live frugally.

This is characteristic of a peculiar mindset. "Look at that guy not wearing a seatbelt. I hope he gets in a crash and dies! Wahhh!" It comes from a fixation on the rules over and above what they are intended to accomplish.

Here, you will enjoy this [theonion.com].

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368415)

Man, the kind of luxury unemployed people live in now days. Access to public transportation, public libraries, bicycles...

Back in *my* day, we sat and starved. In the dark. Under a bridge. And that was if we were *lucky*. Those that weren't didn't sit on their lazy asses either, they dug their own mass graves with their bare hands, laid down in them, and died. Like MEN.

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368605)

And you think they were spoiled. At least you had fingernails with which to do the bare handed digging. We had to pull our own teeth and use those, then put 'em back in to chew the mud for supper. And don't get me started on the free oxygen you richy-rich kids had made available to you for the breathing while sitting there starving in the dark...and a bridge? A BRIDGE? Ghaaaa! Like you've ever really known hardship. We had to take turns sitting underground, just to stay out of the rain.

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368583)

you really hate them blacks don't you

Re:HUH?? (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368611)

Because if you are unemployed you shouldn't have the internet. If you can't afford the Gas to drive to the unemployment office. You take bus or the subway or you get off your lazy ass and walk or bike. When I was poor I went to the library. I couldn't afford the $40/month for internet.

Catching the bus to the library every day would cost about $3 a day (conservative estimate). Assuming you're going to the library 5 days a week that's $60 a month. About what I pay for my internet connection.

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26367865)

Ever go to one? They're usually cesspools. And its usually more efficient for the State to do it that way.

Re:HUH?? (5, Interesting)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367887)

Actually...I've got sour grapes on this one.

I found out that my state (LA) royally fucks you out of UI, if you are self employed.

Yep, they actually have a statute written that says, if you are the primary shareholder of a company, you cannot claim UI. This just isn't fair.

I was recently between contracts for a few months. First time for this....so, I file for UI. Now, I have and S corp. I pay myself a salary out of what I bill. Out of that salary, I pay SS, I pay medicare...and I pay Federal and STATE unemployment fees.

Yet, when I went to collect them...I could not in the state of LA. That isn't fair? I pay into the system, but, I cannot take out when I need to?

I know this isn't that way in all states...I know people with the same set up, that collected UI just fine.

I called....I went in person...I appealed this to the highest set of judges..but, to no avail.

I swear, if I had enough time and money (I'm working again, but that kills the time aspect)...I'd try to get a lawyer and get that law overturned on principal alone. If I pay into a system..I should be able to get out of it.

So anyway...I've got a bad taste for UI complaints....

Re:HUH?? (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367981)

LA has more laws to fuck you over than New York and that is saying something. My friend's dad owned a company that made fishing lures in LA and ran into all sorts of corruption, incompetence and insanity trying to get the permits needed to expand his factory. So he moved the entire operation to Texas.

But you are not unemployed (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367987)

Did you fire yourself? No. You just work for a company that can't afford to pay you.

Guess it sucks to be in LA. I have never incorporated, but here in CA, if you are self employed as a sole proprietor, they don't make you pay UI... and of course, you can't make a claim against it either.

Don't worry, however, CA screws individuals with all kinds of taxes, almost the highest in the nation in every category. And it is never enough.

Re:HUH?? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368359)

IANAL... but it might be worth folding your company so you can get on the unemployment rolls. You could then start another with golden credit if you're able to pay off any loan you-as-the-company has taken.

Re:HUH?? (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368515)

Then why are people who run their corps are forced to pay into it? If they can't ever collect it, why must they pay?

Re:HUH?? (2, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368547)

UI pays if the corp folds. If you're laid off from your day job but still have a corp, you're not unemployed yet. Look into folding your corp if it was really just a hobby... or double-down and spend all the time with your project. That's what I did with mine. (Then again, I'm not unemployed at the moment.)

Re:HUH?? (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368005)

You don't seriously think that having a building, with lights and employees and stuff, just to collect illegibly handwritten forms that need to be transcribed into a database at additional expense is somehow cheaper than just letting people fill out forms online, do you?

Yeah, yeah, I know, the moral order of the universe depends on their being a walk of shame that everybody who has the temerity to be unemployed is forced through; but it makes very little economic sense.

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368031)

Actually in some states, they're cutting way back on unemployment offices. It's also cheaper to buy a server + website than to pay an assload of unemployment clerks, so the government is *gasp* making your tax money go further.

In Washington, if you go to the unemployment offices, basically you use their computers there to file your claim.

Re:HUH?? (5, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368037)

Seriously? People are too lazy to go to the unemployment office? Why am I paying taxes again?

Lazy is not a synonymn of 'efficient'. Assuming you went to a public school, I'm wondering why I'm paying taxes.

Re:HUH?? (1)

Cathoderoytube (1088737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368085)

The droves of victims of this economic collapse all paid into the EI fund from their own paycheques while they were working. Also when you apply online you get your cheques sooner. So that's the reason people would be doing that. Plus when you apply for EI online you have to go into the office anyway to drop off your ROE. Plus a number of cities have amalgamated their EI offices into other offices as well, so it's a bloody ordeal just going in to just drop the papers off.

Re:HUH?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368099)

So you'd rather people who were collecting unemployment would spend half their time trudging back and forth to a state office instead of using that time to look for a new job? We all pay into the system, it's a social safety net. So that way if you're ever unemployed long term, you can tap into it as well. But that's never going to happen to you right?

Re:HUH?? (1)

ThrowAwaySociety (1351793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368133)

So you would rather your tax money be used to pay the salary of a government employee (with full benefits and pension!) to process claims in person, by hand. And for a larger government office building to accommodate all of these claims processors, and for heating and cooling, and for paper forms and carbon copies and pens and....

Or they could just do it online.

Mod parent down please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368269)

I am in Colorado and been trying to get unemployment to start back in nov (found a 1.5 week gig that paid decently in dec), and have been trying for the last week to talk to anybody at unemployment. Why am I trying to phone them? Because they no longer have offices. I literally spent 6 hours today hitting the redial. On tuesday, I accepted the .95 charge that qwwest charges for returning a call from a busy line and NEVER got a call back.
You may be paying some taxes, but I paid more than my fair share. I would right now LOVE to stand in line, but states made cuts to lower their costs. and in order to see someone, I have to talk on the phone FIRST.

No More "Offices" (2, Informative)

maz2331 (1104901) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368475)

Most states now do the entire process online or by phone only. There is no office to go to any more.

Vast numbers of unemployed, surfing the web (1, Redundant)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367811)

and yet I'm able to get first post? This can't be right.

Re:Vast numbers of unemployed, surfing the web (1, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367911)

FAIL. And that's the problem. Too many dickheads try to file the frist unemployment claim at once and jam up the system. See what it did to your "first"?

FAIL (1)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368365)

When did the word "fail" acquire its new usages as a noun and an adjective? I'm going to use the word "failure" and sound like an old person because you damn kids keep saying "fail".

Re:FAIL (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368631)

While we're at it, why not abolish every other tired meme and murder of the English language and be reduced to drab, sterile Ben Stein-speak?

Re:Vast numbers of unemployed, surfing the web (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26367923)

and yet I'm able to get first post? This can't be right.

Apparently, it isn't.

Re:Vast numbers of unemployed, surfing the web (1)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368169)

Alas, in comedy, timing is everything. I really don't even go in for that frist prost crap. Check my history -- I have never done this before and will probably never do it again.

But tonight, something was different. The first post was mine for the taking. It was there, I tell you! I felt the adrenaline rush, the dry mouth. The first post could be mine and I decided that I WOULD take it! I just needed to come up with something clever. No, just saying "frst prst" or whatever it is those morons write was not going to be enough for someone like me -- my id is in the low 100,000's after all. Okay, so that's not super low, but I don't mind pointing it out! And sure enough, a clever idea came to me, or so it seemed at the time. It even had a slight hint of self-deprecation, always good for earning karma. And it would have been clever, too, if it hadn't turned out to be the SECOND POST! Damn it all to hell, I was too long typing it out! I guess I just wasn't cut out for this kind of thing after all.

Re:Vast numbers of unemployed, surfing the web (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368399)

It's okay, we still love you. C'mon, group hug.

Lay offs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26367815)

Once the employment returns to normal will they fire all the folks they hired?

It's a vicious cycle

How long... (1)

sirroc (1157745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367835)

until states start outsourcing their call centers to other countries to save money?

Anyway, the Illinois TeleServ system is constantly busy. I have to use my cell and ground line to dial at the same time to try to get through.

Re:How long... (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367879)

Ohio said that last year (a fairly bad year) average weekly volume was about 7,500 calls to their hotline, last week was over 80,000 calls and that was a holiday week!

Re:How long... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368305)

So, to explain in more words what you are saying:

Immediately after tens of thousands of people lost their jobs, they decided to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars that they couldn't afford on a consumer holiday spree. Christmas presents for friends and family, an expensive holiday feast, and maybe a widescreen TV on a Boxing Day sale. Now they realize they're screwed.

While I do feel for those who have found themselves unemployed, I feel much less for all those who don't know how to cut back spending when necessary. People expect to live their lives as luxuriously as they've ever done, no matter what circumstances change. It's bad enough how much credit/debt many people have... it's worse that people who are unemployed still splurge on absolutely unnecessary products and services.

Consumerism is a horrible enough of a beast when people have money, let alone when they don't.

Re:Also Connecticut (1)

Garnaralf (595872) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367873)

Connecticut's is still having issues, as of Monday. 3/4 of the time, you can't even do a claim inquiry.

Re:Also Connecticut (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368041)

Connecticut's site has been very slow to non-responsive since the week before Christmas.

Re:Also Connecticut (2, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368199)

Connecticut's site has been very slow to non-responsive since the week before Christmas.

The reason should be pretty obvious -- it's winter. Connecticut is cold. The tubes are freezing up. The electrons are having a hard time getting though. You all need to unplug your routers and pour some hot water down the pipes. If everybody pitches in, things out to free up pretty soon. Otherwise you'll have to wait for spring.

Re:Also Connecticut (1)

mrzaph0d (25646) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368517)

that's why when the temp gets close to freezing i like to live bitorrent trickling.

Especially Michigan (2, Informative)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368153)

It should surprise no one that the UI systems in Michigan, the official Unemployment Capital of North America, are also buckling under the traffic. [mlive.com] My longtime buddy MARVIN (aka Michigan Automated Voice Interactive Network) has been offline the past couple days. Fortunately I have a couple part-time jobs, so I'm not collecting benefits, but I know people who are... trying to.

Stand-up philospher (5, Funny)

SoundGuyNoise (864550) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367855)

Unemployment Clerk (Bea Arthur): "Did you bullshit this week?"
Comicus (Mel Brooks): "No."
Clerk: "Did you try to bullshit this week?"
Comicus: "Yes!"

sites written by consultants (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26367863)

This is what happens with government websites. They contract out people that write them in .NET with a J2EE server thrown in for one simple thing and they do about 20 cartesian joins every page load. Your tax dollars at work.

Re:sites written by consultants (1)

scoot80 (1017822) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368003)

Any info to back up that claim?

Re:sites written by consultants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368079)

It depends on the office doing the website and whoe they hire. My wife worked for Accenture and they did a couple. It was horrifying. Never ever EVER hire Accenture.

I believe it (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 5 years ago | (#26367877)

I accompanied my brother to the unemployment office multiple times before he just went online. Eventually it went though, but they're like waaayyyyyy backed up and the paperwork took at least two weeks longer than usual. Sign of the times.

Well golllllly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368007)

Kentucky has the Internet?

Overloaded phone banks in Texas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368147)

In the state of Texas the phone system has been overloaded. I had to call about an issue that took five minutes to fix once I got connected.

However, it took 239 calls to the 1-800 number to finally connect. Every other call resulted in a busy signal or a "All circuits are busy" result.

Good times!

Do they need more servers !?! (1)

j741 (788258) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368243)

The population of the state of Kentucky is approximately 4 million people. Assuming a ridiculously high unemployment rate of 50% that would be 2 million people. Now, assuming that they all tried to file UI applications online at exactly the same time that would generate 2 million submissions. According to Wikipedia, the Intel Core2 CPU (which is less powerful than current server CPUs) can handle well over 20,000 MIPS (that's millions of instructions per second).

So, am I to understand that the software running on the government's UI application submission servers are so inefficient that they consume over 10 Billion processor instructions (20,000 MIPS divided by 2 million submissions) in order to accept and file the data for one single UI application? If so, then the programmers need to be quartered and hung!

Re:Do they need more servers !?! (3, Insightful)

Shados (741919) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368295)

Efficient or not, to process 2 million web submits in one shot, with a database involved, serving the images, bandwidth, database transactions and locks(big deal here!), etc etc etc will trash many data -centers-, nevermind one machine. There's also a lot more involved than the CPU, like memory, which tends to be what goes first =P

Re:Do they need more servers !?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368299)

You forgot all the cycles that get wasted by employees browsing Facebook.

Re:Do they need more servers !?! (1, Informative)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368491)

You haven't worked government, have you? The server isn't a core 2 duo. Its a P2 450, that they purchased with grant money in 1999, and haven't been able to replace. It runs NT4, with a website in either cold fusion, or ASP. but either way, it was written with a "Idiots guide to $LANGUAGE" book in hand, And of course, MS SQL Server 6 is running as the primary database, on the same machine.

Or, its a quad core, quad processor system, with 16GB of ram, running either cold fusion, or ASP, with MS SQL server 6 running on the same machine.

with government, its always one or the other...

And in Other News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26368321)

In a cost-saving move, states are dusting off their old Windows98 desktops for the new workers to use.

In related news:

Old botnets unexpectedly spring to life,swamping already overloaded state-run networks.

If the business can handle it... (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368369)

Don't you think it would be easier if the IRS/State data plus a new required e-form from the employer were in place so that the state unemployment people could start the claim immediately if the company does not contest, and send the claimant their paperwork if there's going to be a showdown.

If you can get it, take it! (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368387)

Sure, unemployment is meant to be confusing and hard to get to. They set time limits on when you can log on not because their servers can't take it, but because they want you awake for a few minutes during those hours and proving you're in the state you belong in. Anything to get you disqualified...

But, the average human can beat that system and cash with about half the pay they had before, all for the only work being looking for a job like the one you left... not something you weren't going to do. And you've got the time for the paperwork. So take the money.

Re:If you can get it, take it! (1)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368457)

all for the only work being looking for a job like the one you left

Most states unemployment rules make you take the first job that comes along, whether it was like the one you left or not.

Re:If you can get it, take it! (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368531)

True, but they don't insist a computer programmer look at Burger King and they don't really expect Burger King to take them either. You have to accept the first offer you get, but there's nobody blindly throwing offers around to get people off of unemployment.

So, the moral is not to apply to anything you wouldn't want to end up getting and ending your time on unemployment... but there's plenty of "well, that'll never get looked at" bins on monster.com to satisfy most states.

Spin Cycle (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368453)

1. Economy Tanks
2. Banks Fail
3. People lose jobs
4. People get unemployment checks
5. People take checks to banks.
7. Economy Tanks
8. Banks Fail...

Cloud Computing... (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26368565)

Wasn't the whole point of outsourcing data-ops to "the cloud" was so that the same hardware and network could be serving football video streams one day, and taking in business (or going-out-of-business) paperwork the next?

Why hasn't this been implemented yet?

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