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Wii Game Devs Testing Waters With Less-Casual Games

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the timmy-is-confused dept.

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MTV's Multiplayer Blog has a pair of interviews with Wii game developers about how they're struggling to reach a more hardcore gaming audience. Jordan Itkowitz, lead designer for Deadly Creatures, wants to stay away from designing a typical collection of mini-games, saying, "The trick is to get those new players to step outside that easy comfort zone and try some genres and experiences that, while accessible and familiar to gamers, are still a bit foreign to anyone who's new to the culture." Dan Borth of Red Fly Studio is skeptical of the viability of hardcore games without relying on Nintendo and other major companies to "put a valiant effort in properly supporting developers to create great games."

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About time (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369095)

If I was a nigger, I could drive a Cadillac with class
My pocket stuffed with welfare checks, and I could sit on my big black ass
Now you take a nigger, he aint nobody's fool
He doesn't buy any gasoline, to drive his kids to school

Our government has gone crazy, I'd change things if I could
If I was only a nigger, I could afford to live in a white neighborhood
Oh the things that I could do, if i was black and Hell-bent
I could send my kids to college, and it wouldn't cost me one damn cent

The wife and I were down on our luck, we were really getting uptight
They said at the welfare office, "You aint black, you're white."
Oh how I've tried to get a job, a diploma I had with pride
The post office man laughed, and said "You're not dark enough to even qualify"

I took a civil service exam, and passed it without shame
A nigger took one next to me, he couldnt even write his own name
The nigger, he got the job, now he's government top brass
He couldn't qualify for a trash truck, while I'm out on the street on my ass

If I was a Jesse Jackson, I'd be nobody's slob
Wearing $500.00 dollar suits, that nigger hasn't even got a job
If I was Barack Obama, I could sit back and relax
And when sworn in as President, I could paint The White House black

Damn, I wish I was a nigger

If I was a jig-a-boo, I could find me my roots
With a afro big as a watermelon, and a pair of white disco boots
If I was only dark complected, I could stand tall in this life
I could live high off the hog, just me and my white wife

Things used to be segregated, but things are a little off-key
I've never seen a white man as head of the NAACP
It aint that I don't like a nigger, if I've rubbed you wrong by chance
Take a look at that mistletoe hanging on the seat of my pants

If I was a kinky top, I could be a Martin Luther King
I'd have me a vision on a mountain top, my song the whole world would sing
I could have me a peace march on the streets of Memphis, Tennessee
I could tear up the whole damn city, and the police wouldn't dare stop me

A lot of things in life I know, but one thing I cant figure
Why a nigger can call me a honkey and I cant call a nigger, a nigger
If I was a jungle bunny, I could ring a golden bell
I could be a Mohammed Ali, and be loved by Howard Cosell

Damn, I wish I was a nigger

If I was a golliwogg, 7 foot tall and lean,
I could be a famous player on the Washington basketball team
If I was only chocolate brown, I could have me some turnip greens
A possum fat and watermelon, chitlens and a pot of butter beans

Now when Martin Luther King was buried in Washington with class
They put him face down in his box, so the politicians could kiss his ass
I guess its just politics, but it sure gets my goat
Kiss assing with a nigger, just so you could get his vote

If i was only a burr-head, I'd live high on the hill
Selling cocaine and prostitutes, and popping all kinds of pills
Now take the NAACP, they can march and raise all kinds of hell
Let the KKK start to move, and they'll all wind up in jail

I dreamed my life was over, I heard Saint Peter say,
"Today we're taken only niggers, you've gotta go the other way"
Then I heard the Devil, he said "I heard what Peter had to say
But I'm sorry to tell you son, Today in Hell is Nigger Day."

Damn, don't you wish you were a nigger?

Becomes you (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369099)

Testing [goatse.fr]

New! Try it today! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369123)

A swing and a piss (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369179)

How a life can change in an instant. Everything one thought and believed can be shattered on the rocks of an uncharted coast of a new experience. Here I was, a happy English teacher, twenty-five years old with a lovely wife and a five-year old daughter. I was teaching in a good urban school, considered something of a boy-genius by my colleagues, respected by parents, and loved by most of my students. And then one fateful day, everything changed because of Jesse Coulter.

It was right after school, and I was seated at my desk correcting some papers when I noticed his lanky sixteen year old form standing before me. Jesse and I had not gotten along, did not get along well at all. That's because he was a very lazy teenage boy. He got through high school thus far on his basketball skills, and most other teachers seemed to turn a blind eye on the fact that he was charming them with his skill on the court and his million dollar smile. He didn't like English Class. I guess it clashed with his "street jargon."

Hell, he didn't like schoolwork of any kind. What he did like was fucking every girl he could get his large black hands on. And from what I heard around school, it wasn't just large black hands that won the young white girls over. Talk was he was endowed like a horse.

I mean, I knew several teachers who visited the boys' locker room just to verify the rumor. These were straight teachers. And the report they gave was that the rumor was correct. The handsome black boy got on well with other students, but they all treated him with some kind of special respect, like he was untouchable, above them in some way. In the lunch room for example, when he came to a table, other kids would move aside, or even leave if he told them to.

Now, handsome, black, Jesse Coulter stood before my desk. He should have been playing basketball, and I was the reason he wasn't.

"You get me benched?" He asked with a thick, husky, masculine voice.

"No Jesse, you got yourself benched. You didn't hand in the last two homework assignments, and you failed the last three tests."

He stood up talker, straightening his shoulders which usually slouched. "I been busy."

I looked uip at him. He was handsome, I had to say that for him. So dark with flashing teeth.

"Too busy to do your schoolwork? Then maybe you need a break from basketball."

"You know the school never go for that. I the star of the school."

"Not this week. Not until you get those assignments in and do better on the check tests."

"Fuck that."

I snapped up. I could feel the heat of anger rising from my reddening face.

"Don't you speak that way to me!"

Suddenly I was standing in front of him. I could smell his musk. He was about my height, but only sixteen. His strong face had an arrogance about it that was intimidating.

"Look, teach, how the fuck can I take time out to study, when I got to play basketball and fuck half the white pussy in the school?"

I was speechless. I just stood there.

"An, then there's all them female teachers in the school like Miss Mortenson who need my big black dick. And all them faggot teachers too."

"That is enough. I want you out of here and down to the office. Now!"

His eyes burned cold, the white around the cornea clear and ivory.

"Listen, Asswipe. You think I gonna let one cocksucking teacher fuck up my position here at the school? Shit, I already offered two scholarships to good colleges, and I only a sophomore. You the one who is gonna get on board here and learn some respect for a black star like me!"

And with that, he slapped me. He drew back one large black hand and slapped my face, hard. My head spun. I had never experienced anything like it in my life. I grant you, I am not a very physical person, although I do swim at the gym to keep a fairly good body. I am not into sports, and prefer Faulkner to Football. And this teenage black boy had just slapped me. I reached out to grab a fistful of his t-shirt, but he slapped my hands away as easily as swatting a fly. Then he grabbed my jaw in one large hand.

"We gonna do some extra-curricular work here with me as the teacher and you as the student. We gonna teach you how to respect the black man!" He almost lifted me off the floor by the one hand on my face. Then with his other hand he grabbed my crotch. He grabbed my balls.

"Shit, don't feel like you got much down here. Like most white boys, all talk and no fuck! How the fuck do you please your wife? Suck pussy all the time?" He squeezed harder and harder, until I was sure I was ruined for life and the room began to spin around me. Then he dropped me to the floor. I heard it before I saw anything. I heard him lower the zipper on his baggy jeans.

This could not be happening. There had been something in between I missed. Some gap in events that explained all of this. I was on the floor, my necktie twisted around my shoulder, my trousers wrinkled, and my balls throbbing and sending shooting pain up through my body.

I was looking up at a tall, lanky, punk of a nigger who was unzipping his pants. I use that word carefully. I know its full destructive power. To me, at that moment, Jesse Coulter descended from an African American to a Nigger. But I didn't have time to feel proud of my linguistic decision. I tried to scramble away, but he placed one large size thirteen tennis shoe on my body to hold me still.

"You know my record here at the school?" He asked, smiling and fishing in his open fly. "You know I already fucked six little white sluts pregnant?" I couldn't believe that was trueæsurly the school wouldn't hide such a thing just to keep us number one in basketball? Would they? "I gonna show you what they all love. Why they keep coming back for more. Why Mr. Hample and Mr. Louis drool every time I walk past.

He grew frustrated trying to fish his prick out of his baggy pants, so he cursed and ripped open the waist button and let pants and boxer shorts drop to the floor.

I have to say, I have never seen anything like it on man or boy. I've heard that there are photos of such things on the internet, but I don't go to those places. Jesse Coulter stood there with his pants puddle around his feet, and my lying between his spread legs. Over me hung the largest dick I have ever seen in my life. Mine is six inches hard, and I have been told that is average, for a white guy anyway. This dick wasn't even hard and must have hung eight inches. It was as thick as a beer can. And under it hung two low slung balls, each one the size of a hard boiled egg. It was freakish. No woman could ever even take such a prick, I felt certain.

"You gonna like this dick, Mr. Sutton. You gonna learn to love it a whole lot. When I finish with you, you gonna give me an A in English, just because you love this dick so much. You gonna want my dick more than your wife's pussy. You gonna want it like a heroin addict needs a fix. You gonna be nigger dick crazy!"

His talk was crazy! But I was in no position to argue. I had always been completely straight, never ever entertaining gay or bisexual thoughts. I was open minded about gays and believed in gay rights, but I was not gay.

He sat down on my chest, and his fat prick dragged across my shirtfront, leaking something from the puckered foreskin onto me. The shaft of the nigger prick was thick and wrinkled and the foreskin long completely closing over the cockhead. The puckered foreskin flesh at the tip looked like an asshole or something. The he pumped the gigantic hunk of fuckmeat and the foreskin drew back over the huge purple cockhead. It looked the size of a plum with a wide pisshole leaking pre cum. I was in shock.

The nigger cock grew to almost a foot in length. It was the most awesome thing I have ever seen in my life. He started to rub the leaking dickhead all over my face. I tried to turn my head away, but he slapped the fuck out of me, until I lay still and just let him play with my face.

"I gonna mark you, like an animal marks his territory. You never gonna get the smell of my dick off yo face. You gonna smell my cocksnot all the time, even when you fucking that bitch of yo's." He covered my entire face with pre cum! My nose and eyes and lips. I started to gag and he slapped me again. Hard.

"You never show disrespect to a black man's cock. You always welcome it, no matter who the black man is. You got that, Cuntface?" He made a fist and would have punched me right in the face if I hadn't agreed. Then he told me to open my mouth. I knew what was coming and that it would change my life forever. I opened my mouth. He yelled for me to open it wider. I did and he rested his enormous purple dickhead on my lower lip. It dribbled cockslop into my mouth like a leaking faucet. "I gonna fuck yo ass of course, but not till later in the week. You my bitch now, and you keep your asspussy and mouth available for me any time, night or day. But I ain't got time today, cause I gots to go to basketball practice. And I going, ain't I? He lifted his huge dick and started to slap my face with it. Pre- fuck sprayed the area around my face. My lips were sticky with his pre-cum. His dick was like a giant club and it hurt badly when it thunked into my face.

"Yes! Yes!" I cried. "You can go, just leave me alone."

"Leave you alone? No way, girlyboy. You is my ho now. I gots lots of fun stuff planned fo you and me. But fo now, I just gonna blow some nice nigger sperm into your mouth and you gonna swallow like a nice cockhog." I was crying pretty heavily now and trying to tell him I wasn't gay, and please don't do this to me, but it was already too late. He had his dick in my mouth and was fucking my face like it was a young white virgin cunt.$$He humped my face, leaning his body up and over my head, slamming balls deep so his big nuts thumped on me. His legs stretched and I raised one hand to his large muscular tight globular ass. His ass skin was smooth and I felt the deep ass crack. He grunted and pushed more and more dick into my face. Now it was lodged in my throat, stretching and ripping at my throat muscles. I could not breath. I was sure I would die. The cock was down twelve inches into my gullet.

How could any girl take this? I wondered. The pain was horrible, but the humiliation worse. The prick expanded and throbbed and I felt it moving in my neck. I put one hand to my neck and actually felt the big nigger dick from the outside of my neck. His pubic hair was thick and stank of sweat and black boy sexual smell. I was being face fucked by a sixteen year old nigger and couldn't do anything about it. Jesus, what was happening to me and what would become of my life?

Then he came! It seemed like gallons of thick white nigger sperm. It poured down my throat like glue, then he pulled back and it filled my mouth. It felt like wallpaper paste or oatmeal. It backed up into my nasal passages and I started to snort nigger cum.

He laughed and pulled out and shot three more spurts of dicksnot all over my face. Then he milked the dick of the last drops of his cock cream and wiped his dickhead in my hair. He leaned down over me smiling and then spit three huge gobs right into my face.

"We will continue this tomorrow. Don't try to skip school, or tell anyone about us, or you will be very sorry. I got lots of friends who are a whole lot rougher than me."

He stood up and stuffed his black hose back into his pants which he pulled up and buttoned.

"I gotta go to practice now. And I bet I get an A on the quiz tomorrow, huh?"

He put one large foot on my face and pressed down, almost breaking my nose.

"Say hello to yo pretty wife for me. Oh and tomorrow, don't wear any underwear under your pants. It will save time."

And then he was gone.

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I don't [topic], but here's my story:

I dropped a brown rope this morning the size of a small black child. At one point, I wasn't sure if I was taking a shit, or it the shit was taking me. And while I'm on that point, what's the deal with taking a shit? Shouldn't it be leaving a shit? I'm certainly not taking anything with me when I'm done.

But back on topic, [topic] sucks ass

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I sat naked on the bench in the health club locker room, staring at the tiles on the floor between my feet, but really looking at nothing. I was waiting for Jamal to decide to come up ant talk to me. He was this muscular teenage nigger who frequented the club and had ruined my life in the last few weeks. I was ordered to sit naked on the bench without a towel or anything to cover my nakedness. I had to keep my legs spread and my cock and balls visible for the anyone In the locker room who wanted a look. I knew instantly that it had been a mistake to sign up at the inner city health club which was eighty percent black, but It was near my house and cheap which was even more important.

The harassment had started on my first visit. Dark skinned, muscular black boys bouncing around the locker room with their huge dicks and pendulous sacks of balls swinging, high fiving each other and laughing and rapping, and there I was, this moderately built white guy of thirty two.

I will never forget coming back from the shower and one chocolate skinned thug of about eighteen let out a "weeeeeeeow" kind of sound and then said very loudly to me, loudly enough for all his pals to hear, "White man, how the hell can you fuck wit such a small dick?" They all roared with laughter and I turned bright red. Before I left that first time, I med Jamal. He eased up to me while I was packing my gym bag. He is one good looking darkie, I will say that for him. He flashed me a big white toothed smile and said he hoped I wasn't thinking of quitting the club. He said he was friends with the manager and they had my address and shit, and it would be really unfortunate if I decided to quit. Then he laid one large basketball player sized hand on my shoulder and said that he would see me at the same time the next day.

Well, that's how it started. It got worse each time I went to the club. Jamal and the other niggers got me to get towels for them, had me scrub their backs in the shower, even made me pick their dirty stinking jock straps up off the floor. They sent their filthy jocks and socks home with me to wash for them.

Now let me state here once and for all, that I am in no way at all gay. I don't think I ever even had a gay thought. So all of this really repulsed me. They would brush up against me so their big fat black dicks rubbed my body. They would make constant jokes about me being a faggot.

So I had it out with Jamal. I told him I was a single parent with a thirteen year old daughter and in no way gay, and I wanted to quit the club. That mention of my daughter was the biggest mistake of my life. Jamal demanded to see a photo of her. Her name is Crissy. After that, all they talked about was "Crissy the Cunt" in the locker room.

"Some fourteen year old school boy probably shoving his dick in her right now while you is at da club."

They would say things like that. Jamal would ask, "Do you suppose she had ever sucked black dick?" I told them she was totally innocent, and they should keep their foul mouths to themselves. They beat the shit out of me.

I didn't go to the club for a week. All the windows were broken on my car, and my newspaper was stolen, and somebody pissed all over our door. I received a package at work, and when I opened it, there was a pile of shit in a box. I was going nuts with anguish. I thought of going to the police, but I knew I would face even worse if I did. So I went back to the club. That was two months ago. A lot had happened in those two months.

Now I sat waiting for Jamal to speak with me. He walked up, stark naked. The first thing I saw were his huge brown feet next to me. I looked up at his long muscular legs. How could I miss the seven inch flaccid dick, thick as a flashlight and the ball sack that looked like it had oranges in it. It was fucking obscene. His stomach was hard and tight. His ass was one of those round tight nigger bubble butts. His chest well defined with large nipples. He had a killer smile, thick nigger lips, and dark flashing eyes that often looked drugged. He had only recently gotten out of reform school for molesting a girl on the playground.

"So, my man, how's that little dick of yours hangin'?"

I spread my legs wider so he could see my pathetic shriveled white prick and small ball sack. If I didn't keep myself on display for them at all times, they would have a wet towel snapping session where my scrotum was the target. It hurt like hell and was totally humiliating.

"So, bro, is everything set up for tomorrow?" He stood close to me...so close that his huge flaccid hunk of fuck meat brushed my shoulder. His dick was so huge, it was just fucking obscene, and that was in its flaccid state. He had not showered yet, and his body reeked of the nigger stink of his workout.

"Please. Please don't do this. I know I agreed, but that was after you had beaten me almost senseless. Please, isn't there some other way?"

He lifted one leg and put his foot on the bench next to me. His gigantic balls swung back and forth in their fleshy sack.

"Dere is no other fucking way, man. You don't wanna even think of what we gonna do to you next time you disobeys us. Dere is no other way. Now it so happens dat I needs me a new girlfriend, and your pretty little daughter fills da bill."

I felt my stomach turn over. I tried to relax, to breath deeply, but I felt like I was choking. This teenage nigger thug was talking about my daughter. My little Crissy. My thirteen year old angel. He had announced to me that he wanted her to become his girlfriend! Jesus Christ!

At first I had bluntly refused, letting my anger and disgust show. All the niggers in the club gathered around me, about fifteen of them, and Jamal announced that I was racially prejudiced and didn't want him dating his white daughter. They started to slap and punch me.

"It's not that. Honest to God, I swear, it's not that you are black. It's that she is only thirteen. She's my innocent baby!"

Jamal roared with laughter. "Any bitch of thirteen is totally ready for dick! She probably sucking da boys at school every day anyway by now." He looked at the photo of her which he had taken from me. "Yeah, she got real cocksucker lips, she shore do!"

"Oh God no, she's just a baby." I was crying in front of all of them.

"No, daddy, you gots it wrong. She is a babe...not a baby. Dat pretty little pussy is ready for some nigger popping!" Half the niggers surrounding me were getting hard ons, and I don't there there was one under eight and a half inches.

For weeks I had argued, begged, pleaded, tried to bargain with Jamal, but he only wanted one thing. My daughter's virgin pussy. Once I stood up to them and told them I would go to the police. They had dragged me naked and screaming into the health club bathroom and forced me to eat turds out of the toilet bowl. I was sick for two days. The next time I went to the club, Jamal had made me suck his dick. That was the first time I saw it erect. Over twelve inches of throbbing leaking nigger cock. I had a panic attack and literally tried to run out of the club.

They held me down on a bench and Jamal fed me his black fuck meat. His balls almost suffocated me. His dick choked me. He even made me suck his ass. What could I do? I agreed to let them have my daughter. I know, I am an awful man. A sinner. It is unforgivable, but I am scared out of my wits.

"So, tomorrow, I comes over to yo house dressed up real good. You introduce me to yo bitch daughter. Now when I sees her, dis is how I wants her dressed. A very tight tee shirt dat says printed on it, "I Love Nigga Dick!" She will wear no bra under it so I can see the tips of her budding little titties through the material. Den she is to wear her nice pleated cheer leader skirt like in da photo, only I don want her to wear no panties under it. From now on, yo daughter is forbidden to ever wear any panties. We want dat fresh young cunt and ass ready and available at all times. I want you to have some really top drawer booze at yo house ready for me. I am not sure what I will want, so you better have enough to satisfy me, whatever my taste might be. Who da fuck knows, I may want a cosmo, or maybe some of dat Louis XIII Brandy dat costs three hundred dollars. You better have it all. After I has a drink, you pretty little bitch and I gonna sit on da couch and get acquainted. Dat means you as da daddy get to watch me finger her cunt and play wit her titties. You gets to see her meet my big fat old dick and even lick and suck it a little. I always insists on sex on da first date, cause how else you know how a bitch perform, right? Shit, I insist on sex on every date. I mean dat is da only reason for da fucking date..to plow some pussy! Right? Otherwise I'd rather hang wit da home boys. Now she gonna be a little uptight and scared at firs...right? Specially when she see my dick and she know dat huge motherfucker is gonna plow her virgin twat! Oh yea, if she got any hair on her cunt yet, you make sure she shave it all off before tomorrow. I wanna see bald thirteen year old pussy."

While he said all of this to me at the health club, his dick got thicker and thicker and long strings of pre-fuck started to hang from the fat pisshole.

"Please don't hurt her...please." I was shaking in my naked agony.

"Hurt her? No why the fuck would I hurt my new girlfriend? I gonna love her. I gonna show her da pleasures of lovemaking. Shore, it gonna hurt a little da first time I ram my twelve and a half inch motherfucking dick balls deep into her tight little teenage pussy. Shore it gonna hurt when I pounds her as hard as I can, and den pull out and shove it as hard as I can up her little asshole. Shore dat gonna hurt a little, but dat is jus' part of growin' up. A her daddy, you understand dat. Right? Better to hab some nice boy like me who wants her for his girlfriend fucking her, den every boy at school who don't give a shit about her. "Now don't you worry, I gonna take her into the bedroom to fuck her cunt and ass. I think dat is private. I mean, you can watch da first time she suck my balls and lick my dick and such. But fucking is between a guy and his girlfriend. I wants you dere at the start...at the sucking part, cause she is gonna be scared like I say, and you can calm her. Tell her it is a natural part of life, and she just gotta learn to please a man. She, she shoulda learned dat couple of years ago already. She is a late bloomer. Now I am gonna want to use her bedroom for da first fuck,cause I wants to fuck her little bitch body in her teenage bed, wit all her teenage shit around. It will be so hot. But den, I is moving into your master bedroom. You can sleep on da couch. I wants a nice big bed and luxury for future fucks. I gotta fuck at least three times a day, usually more. Now of course I still going to be bangin' other cunt, but I will fuck your daughter regularly cause she is my number one girlfriend. My special bitch. I ain't gonna introduce her to my bros until after I fuck her for a week or so. Den when she broken in, I gonna share her with all da boys from dis here health club. Dere about twenty of us here as you know, so she gonna be pretty busy sucking nigga dick and getting ass and cunt fucked. We gonna do mos' of it over at yo house. You have lots of food dere at all times fo my brothers when dey comes over to fuck your daughter. Since she be fucking most every day all day and night from now on, I suggest you apply to home school her. Dat way, she don't even need to think about school and she can concentrate on nigga cock all da time."

"Please, please use condoms...." I had tears running down my face.

Jamal roared with laughter. "Condoms? Shit...no. We never use condoms. It ruins da fuck. Dat little bitch gonna be pregnant in a couple of weeks at mos'. You gonna be da grand daddy of a nigga chile! And who knows. She young. If she stay tight enough and cute enough, maybe we fuck her for three or four years, you know, pass her around, pimp her out. Shit, she still young enough. She could hab five or six nigga babies! We don' allow no abortions. She gonna breed. Now my brothers and daddy be comin' over lots to fuck her too, so you better have lots of keys to yo house made, or jus' leave the fucking place unlocked. She don't leave da house without permission. I would hate it for both of you if some black bro comes over for a good hard fuck, and she not dere! Now I know you worried about her. Don' be. After a few days of getting nigga dick, she gonna love it so much, dat all she gonna live for. I seen it in young white bitches lots of times. Someday she gonna thank you for all dis. I mean how many girls her age so lucky to get ten to fifteen black cocks a day? Long as her pussy and asshole hold up, she be happy. One thing, she gonna hab to be a really good cocksucker, cause One thig is dat when da boys in my hood meet up wit guys from other gangs...we got dis thing. We hab our girlfriends suck da cocks of all da members of the other gangs, as kind of a peace signal, you know, a sign dat we is kewl and everything is okay. So she gonna pretty much hab a dick in her mouth twenty-four seven for da next few months. She gonna be sucking on nigga dick even when she getting fucked by my bros. Dis house gonna be pretty packed full of black boys! Now, after a bitch has sucked fifteen to twenty dicks a day, she often get a real tired jaw and swollen lips and a sore tongue, so you gonna have to tell her no matter how tired she get, da last dick of da day she suck, gets jus' as good a suck as da first one in da morning. You gotta make sue she understand that. I can't have no bad reports from rival gangs dat my bitch can't suck! Now we gots one more problem. Da little bitch gonna be so busy getting fucked and sucking dick, she ain't gonna hab no proper time to clean up da dicks after dey fuck her cunt and ass! You know it da bitch's job to clean a dick wit her mouth after a brother fuck her. I mean, you can't expect a brother to walk around wit pussy slime or ass juice on his dick. But she gonna be so busy, she ain't always gonna hab time to clean up, so you my friend is going to have to step up to da plate to help her. You gonna be the official dick cleaner. You gonna lick and suck da dicks clean after dey fuck yo bitch of a daughter. I want you naked on you hands and knees at all times around da house, ready to lick and suck dick clean. And you gonna do a fine job too, I just know it. You get all dat stink off da cock. Maybe you can entertain da brothers waiting next in line to fuck yo daughter too by lickig dere balls and assholes. I never thought of dat until just now. Hot damn, dat is a good idea, ain't it? So dey don't get bored while dey waitin. And den, to keep your daughter fresh and tight, after every three or four fucks, you gonna crawl in and suck the nigga cum right outta her pussy and asshole. Think how great dat is. You gonna get to suck some thirteen year old pussy and asshole! How lucky is dat? You gonna clean out her cunt real good with yo tongue so it is ready for da next nigga. We gonna be da happiest family you ever seen! Now come on, white boy, suck my dick, can't you see it dripping all over da floor?"

I put my mouth over the head of the huge leaking hunk of fuckmeat, and resigned myself and my daughter to our new destiny.

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How to Falsify Evolution

Any theory that does not provide a method to falsify and validate its claims is a useless theory.

Example; if someone said a watermelon is blue on the inside, but turns red when you cut it open, how could you prove them wrong? How could they prove they're right?

You couldn't and they can't. There is no method available to confirm or disprove what was said about the watermelon. Therefore we can dismiss the theory of the blue interior of watermelons as being pure speculation and guess work, not science. You can not say something is true without demonstrating how it is not false, and you can not say something is not true without demonstrating how it is false. Any theory that can not explain how to both validate and falsify its claims in this manner can not be taken seriously. If one could demonstrate clearly that the watermelon appears to indeed be blue inside, without being able to demonstrate what colors it is not, we still have no absolute confirmation of its color. That is to say asserting something is the way it is, without being able to assert what it is not, is a useless claim. Therefore, in order for any theory to be confirmed to be true, it must be shown how to both validate and falsify its claims. It is circular reasoning to be able to validate something, without saying how to falsify it, or vice versa. This is the nature of verification and falsification. Both must be clearly demonstrated in order for a theory to be confirmed to be true or false. Something can not be proven to be true without showing that it is not false, and something can not be proven to be not true, unless it can be proven to be false.

Unfortunately, Darwin never properly demonstrated how to falsify his theory, which means evolution has not properly been proven, since it has never been demonstrated what the evidence does not suggest. In the event that evolution is not true, there should be a clear and defined method of reasoning to prove such by demonstrating through evidence that one could not possibly make any alternative conclussions based on said evidence. It is for this reason we must be extremely skeptical of how the evidence has been used to support evolution for lack of proper method of falsification, especially when the actual evidence directly contradicts the theory. If it can be demonstrated how to properly falsify evolution, regardless if evolution is true or not, only then can evolution ever be proven or disproved.

It will now be demonstrated that Darwin never told us how to properly falsify evolution, which will also show why no one can claim to have disproved or proven the theory, until now. It must be able to be demonstrated that if evolution were false, how to go about proving that, and while Darwin indeed made a few statements on this issue, his statements were not adequate or honest. In order to show Darwin's own falsification ideas are inadequate, rather than discussing them and disproving them individually, all that needs to be done is demonstrate a proper falsification argument for evolution theory. That is to say if the following falsification is valid, and can not show evolution to be false, then evolution theory would be proven true by way of deductive reasoning. That is the essence of falsification; if it can be shown that something is not false, it must therefore be true.

So the following falsification method must be the perfect counter to Darwin's validation method, and would therefore prove evolution to be true in the event this falsification method can not show evolution to be false. As said before; if something is not false, it must therefore be true. This would confirm the accuracy of this falsification method, which all theories must have, and show that Darwin did not properly show how evolution could be falsified, in the event that evolution was not true. In order to show evolution is not false (thereby proving it to be true), we must be able to show how it would be false, if it were. Without being able to falsify evolution in this manner, you can not validate it either. If something can not be shown to be false, yet it is said to be true, this is circular reasoning, since you have no way of confirming this conclusion. Example; If we told a blind person our car is red, and they agreed we were telling the truth, the blind person could not tell another blind person accurate information regarding the true color of the car. While he has evidence that the car is red by way of personal testimony, he has no way of confirming if this is true or false, since he might have been lied to, regardless if he was or not.

So one must demonstrate a method to prove beyond any doubt that in the event that evolution is not true, it can be shown to be such. To say evolution is true, without a way to show it is false, means evolution has never been proven to be true. If evolution be true, and this method of falsification be valid, then by demonstrating the falsification method to be unable to disprove evolution, we would confirm evolution to be right. Alternatively, if the falsification method is valid and demonstrates that Darwin's validation method does not prove evolution, then evolution is false indeed.

Firstly, the hypothesis. If evolution is incorrect, then it can be demonstrated to be so by using both living and dead plants and animals. The following is the way to do so and the logical alternative to the theory. The fossil record can be used as well, but not as evolution theory would have us believe. In order to properly falsify something, all biases must be removed, since assuming something is correct without knowing how to prove its false is akin to the blind person who can not confirm the color of someones car. Since evolution has not correctly been shown how to be falsified, as will be demonstrated, we must be open to other possibilities by way of logic, and ultimately reject evolution by way of evidence, should the evidence lead us in such a direction.

If evolution be not true, the only explanation for the appearance of varied life on the planet is intelligent design. This would predict that all life since the initial creation has been in a state of entropy since their initial creation, which is the opposite of evolution. If this be true, then animals and plants are not increasing in genetic complexity or new traits as evolution theory would have us believe, but are in fact losing information. This would explain why humans no longer have room for their wisdom teeth and why the human appendix is decreasing in functionality. The only objection to this claim that evolution theory would propose is that evolution does not always increase the genetic complexity and traits of an organism, but rather, sometimes decreases them as well. This objection is only made because we have only ever actually observed entropy in living creatures, which suits the creation model far better than evolution, which shall be demonstrated.

If the creation model is true, we can make verifiable predictions that disprove evolution. For example; the creation model states that life was created diversified to begin with, with distinct "kinds" of animals, by a supernatural Creator that did not evolve Himself, but rather always existed. Without going into the debate on how such a being is possible to exist, it must be said that either everything came from nothing, or something always existed. To those who say the universe always existed; the claim of this hypothesis is that the Creator always existed, which is equally as viable for the previous logic.

In order to demonstrate that the Creator is responsible for life and created life diversified to begin with, the word "kind" must be defined. A kind is the original prototype of any ancestral line; that is to say if God created two lions, and two cheetahs, these are distinct kinds. In this scenario, these two cats do not share a common ancestor, as they were created separately, and therefore are not the same kind despite similar appearance and design. If this is the case, evolution theory is guilty of using homogeneous structures as evidence of common ancestry, and then using homogeneous structures to prove common ancestry; this is circular reasoning!

The idea of kinds is in direct contrast to evolution theory which says all cats share a common ancestor, which the creation model does not hold to be true. If evolution theory is true, the word kind is a superficial label that does not exist, because beyond our classifications, there would be no clear identifiable division among animals or plants, since all plants and animals would therefore share a common ancestor. The word kind can only be applied in the context of the creation model, but can not be dismissed as impossible due to the evolutionary bias, simply because evolution has not been properly validated nor can it be held to be true until it can correctly be shown to be impossible to falsify.

One must look at the evidence without bias and conclude based on contemporary evidence (not speculation) if indeed evolution is the cause of the diversity of species, or not. It must also been demonstrated if the clear and distinct species do or do not share a common ancestor with each other, regardless that they may appear to be of the same family or design. In order to verify this, all that needs to be done is to demonstrate that a lion and cheetah do or do not have a common ancestor; if it can be demonstrated that any animal or plant within a family (cats in this case) do not share a common ancestor with each other, this would disprove evolution immediately and prove supernatural creation of kinds.

However, since lions and cheetahs are both clearly of the same family or design, and can potentially interbreed, we must be careful not to overlook the possibility of a very recent common ancestor If such is the case, this does not exclude the possibility that the two are originally from two separate kinds that do not share a common ancestor previous to them having one. It is therefore necessary to build an ancestral history based on verifiable evidence (not homogeneous structures in the fossil record) that can clearly demonstrate where exactly the cheetah and the lion had a common ancestor. If no such common ancestor can be found and confirmed without bias, and this test is performed between two or more of any plant or animal life without ever finding anything to the contrary, we can confirm with certainty evolution did not happen, and that kinds do exist.

In the event that fossils are too elusive (compounded with the fact that they can not be used as evidence of common descent due to circular reasoning e.g. homogeneous structures), then there is a superior and far more effective way to falsify evolution. Evolution states by addition of new traits (new organs, new anatomy) that the first lifeforms increased in complexity and size by introduction of new traits, slowly increasing step by step to more complex life forms. Notice that the addition of such traits can not be attributed to the alteration of old ones, for obvious reasons, since detrimental or beneficial mutations are only alterations of already existing traits, and can not account for an increase in the number of traits any given life form possesses.

That means a bacteria becoming able to digest nylon is a mere mutation of already existing digestive capabilities, and can not be classified as an increase in traits. Evolution theory would predict that the process of gradual change and increase in traits is an ongoing process, and therefore should be observable in todays living animals and plants through new emerging traits that any given plant or animal did not possess in its ancestry. Those who say such changes take millions of years and can not be observed today only say so because no such trait has ever been observed to emerge or be in the process of emerging in contemporary history, which is what the creation model predicts. If evolution theory be true, we would expect that at least one animal or plant would contain a new trait or be in the process of growing such a triat over its known common ancestors (that is not simply a multiplication or alteration of a trait it already had).

At this point, the fossil record can not be used as evidence to prove that evolution can produce new traits due to the fact that two animals that appear to be of the same family (T-rex and Brontosaurus, dinosaurs), while they do indeed exhibit distinct trait differences, may not have a common ancestor, but rather were created differently with all their different traits. It is therefore of paramount importance to show a single instance of such an increase of traits exists within a provable ancestry (stress provable) in contemporary times, and not assume anything concerning where the traits in the fossil record owe their origin. If it can not be shown that any animal or plant living today (or very recently deceased) exhibits any trait variance that can clearly and thoroughly be proven to be a new addition over its (stress) provable ancestors, compounded with the reasoning that two similar animals (such as a penguin and a woodpecker) do not necessarily or provably share a common ancestor, then evolution is clearly absent entirely, and supernatural intelligent design and creation is thereby proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

In conclusion, should any two animals or plants within a family (a palm tree and a coconut tree) be proven to not share a common ancestor, or if no provable increase of traits can be demonstrated to be in its beginnings or actively present in the animals and plants living today over their provable ancestry, then The Bible is correct when it says God created all the animals and plants as distinct kinds with their traits to begin with. This is the only way to falsify evolution, and it is amazing (and convenient) that Darwin never encouraged people to attempt to falsify his theory in this manner.

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This is about murdering innocent babies. Our society calls it abortion, but I call it what it is murder. Many Americans think our economy is failing because of the Bush Administration, but they are wrong, it is because of sin.

We are a very sinful nation, therefore God is against us. The only quote I have is from God's word. 2 Chronicles 7:14 say's 'If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land'. We are suppose to be a civilized nation but we are practicing Barbaric behavior called human sacrifice. It is sad that we live in a county were it is perfectly legal to murder an unborn child for convenience, maybe the mother to be says, 'It's not the right time, I must further my career', or a mother may tell her teenage daughter, 'You must get rid of the baby because you are to young. You must finish school'. It is human sacrifice for one's own convenience. Senator Barack Obama said if he becomes president that he would intervene in the African countries where genocide is taking place. He will not however, intervene in Roe vs. Wade which is genocide that is taking place here in America everyday disguised as planned parenthood.

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I'm glad I don't have a whole country full of deceitful, greedy kikes stealing all my water and land anywhere near me. Fucking Jews can't just live in peace. They have to steal other people's land. Our national economy is collapsing from the Jewbanks doing their usual Jewthing. You see, with Jews, you lose. That's how THEY win. They WIN by making YOU lose. So let's lose the Jews.

Global warming could be swiftly solved if we incinerated all of the Jews. Their ashes would be ejected into the upper atmosphere, where they would block some sunlight from hitting the earth. The economy would improve thanks to the absence of Jewish predatory lending, and it would buy us time to deal with climate change. Two birds, one stone.

Fun with Facts:

  • Isreal has a Jewish population of 5,309,000.
  • America has a Jewish population of 5,275,000.

Guess who really owns America? Hint hint, it isn't the Americans.

But my nightmare was just starting...

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Hey, Libertarians!

Guess what? Our government is itself the product of a market system. Cities like New York, London, and San Francisco are successful precisely *because* of their enormous governments--they compete for capital, talent, and prestige against cities with small, ineffectual governments that are unable to effectively lure and corral said capital, talent, and prestige. And as goes the city, so go city-states and nations: Somalia, being a libertarian paradise, is a rather unpleasant place to live for non-ideologues. Somalians, those who can, vote with their feet and leave.

Now go suckle Ayn Rand's rotten tits some more and leave the rest of us alone, you stupid fucking Paultards.

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Ok Slashdot, I'm gonna tell you my first incest experience. It was about 2 years ago; I was 18 and my sister was 16(and a half). We had a cousin staying at our house for the summer and she was either 16 or 17. Got along great with the cousin, but not so great with the sister. She felt she should have the run of the house since I was about to move out to college and I thought she was a bitch. This caused conflict.

Anyway, the parents were at work, I was chilling in my room, and the two girls were sunbathing/swimming outside. I had nothing for my sister at this point, but my cousin was a different matter. From an objective standpoint, she's good looking. She's the big athlete in the family so the body is pretty good as well. I would post pics, but I'm afraid someone would recognize her(maybe I'll post with the face blurred...). So I can't help but look out my window every now and again to check her out and maybe jack a bit.

Here's where things get crazy. I'm building up jack material on my cousin, but I can't stop looking at my sister. Cousin is hot, but my sister has a RACK. Her boobs look like they wanna bust out of the bikini. So I start storing images of her as well. It feels a little sick at first, but that just makes things more exciting.

I want a closer look, so I go outside to the pool and say that I'm going to bust into the booze cabinent and to come inside if they want any. They think it's a great idea and follow me in. They get wasted pretty fast, but I only have a couple drinks. It gets to the point where they're basically passed out on the floor, wearing skimpy bikinis, and I'm sitting there with a raging hard on. So I make the decision.

I run to the basement to grab a camcorder and set it up in the den where we are. Just then, my grandpa busts through the door, tears off my pants, and fucks me in the ass. He's wearing a cowboy hat. Once he unloads, he runs back out of the house and yells, "I have the weirding way!"

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If I was a nigger, I could drive a Cadillac with class
My pocket stuffed with welfare checks, and I could sit on my big black ass
Now you take a nigger, he aint nobody's fool
He doesn't buy any gasoline, to drive his kids to school

Our government has gone crazy, I'd change things if I could
If I was only a nigger, I could afford to live in a white neighborhood
Oh the things that I could do, if i was black and Hell-bent
I could send my kids to college, and it wouldn't cost me one damn cent

The wife and I were down on our luck, we were really getting uptight
They said at the welfare office, "You aint black, you're white."
Oh how I've tried to get a job, a diploma I had with pride
The post office man laughed, and said "You're not dark enough to even qualify"

I took a civil service exam, and passed it without shame
A nigger took one next to me, he couldnt even write his own name
The nigger, he got the job, now he's government top brass
He couldn't qualify for a trash truck, while I'm out on the street on my ass

If I was a Jesse Jackson, I'd be nobody's slob
Wearing $500.00 dollar suits, that nigger hasn't even got a job
If I was Barack Obama, I could sit back and relax
And when sworn in as President, I could paint The White House black

Damn, I wish I was a nigger

If I was a jig-a-boo, I could find me my roots
With a afro big as a watermelon, and a pair of white disco boots
If I was only dark complected, I could stand tall in this life
I could live high off the hog, just me and my white wife

Things used to be segregated, but things are a little off-key
I've never seen a white man as head of the NAACP
It aint that I don't like a nigger, if I've rubbed you wrong by chance
Take a look at that mistletoe hanging on the seat of my pants

If I was a kinky top, I could be a Martin Luther King
I'd have me a vision on a mountain top, my song the whole world would sing
I could have me a peace march on the streets of Memphis, Tennessee
I could tear up the whole damn city, and the police wouldn't dare stop me

A lot of things in life I know, but one thing I cant figure
Why a nigger can call me a honkey and I cant call a nigger, a nigger
If I was a jungle bunny, I could ring a golden bell
I could be a Mohammed Ali, and be loved by Howard Cosell

Damn, I wish I was a nigger

If I was a golliwogg, 7 foot tall and lean,
I could be a famous player on the Washington basketball team
If I was only chocolate brown, I could have me some turnip greens
A possum fat and watermelon, chitlens and a pot of butter beans

Now when Martin Luther King was buried in Washington with class
They put him face down in his box, so the politicians could kiss his ass
I guess its just politics, but it sure gets my goat
Kiss assing with a nigger, just so you could get his vote

If i was only a burr-head, I'd live high on the hill
Selling cocaine and prostitutes, and popping all kinds of pills
Now take the NAACP, they can march and raise all kinds of hell
Let the KKK start to move, and they'll all wind up in jail

I dreamed my life was over, I heard Saint Peter say,
"Today we're taken only niggers, you've gotta go the other way"
Then I heard the Devil, he said "I heard what Peter had to say
But I'm sorry to tell you son, Today in Hell is Nigger Day."

Damn, don't you wish you were a nigger?

^__^

Re:A swing and a piss (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369197)

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Re:A swing and a piss (-1, Offtopic)

Bragador (1036480) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369207)

Wow, wait, what? Did you just put all of your material in one post? Is this all of your life's work? It's like a multiple troll fest so fat it's falling on itself like a black hole. You are trying too much...

I did laugh though.

Re:A swing and a piss (1)

paazin (719486) | more than 5 years ago | (#26371165)

It seems like Slashdot has been recently flooded with an inordinate amount of trolls and spammers recently

Re:A swing and a piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26373201)

You must be new here

Re:A swing and a piss (1)

paazin (719486) | more than 5 years ago | (#26373397)

That could be it too.

warning (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369257)

do not view the comments in -1 mode. that is all.

Re:warning (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369279)

pour it reached to enter into the sheep, and Elzaphan, and the Syrian, to Jacob. And he would call you, that were smitten: for him there was separated from Pharaoh, from Abraham. And it toward my lord; and raiment: and multiply, and Abram and she left the father revived: and Rachel said, Go again, when Jacob called Esau Eliphaz; and jewels of his house where Joseph wept for in the Kenizzite, and told him whom Asenath, the seed for Pharaoh and had pitched his [other] flesh.) And Pharaoh heard. And the days of Israel, that nation, whom Laban gathered together

Beth-el and he held up against them after he turned, and he lay my lord of the ordinance for ever, for we are entangled in the first-born in the waters increased, and let the earth in bondage; for Jehovah I am not yet speaking in the ears of silver, and it shall there was corrupted by themselves? And she returned unto him, and made me honor upon his ass thou shalt thou shalt surely visit you, and their eyes shall it was returned to my glory in the cup is not. And Lot also, who hath triumphed gloriously: The blessings

ladder set up unto thee. And they prepared the cave which were ceased, and pitched his hand. And Abraham journeyed east, and he smote all the houses wherein is Jacob: and multiply therein. And evil is beyond the land against Moses, saying, Unto thy rod, and Mehujael begat Ludim, and she put enmity between God set food for Sarah, that she called Rebekah, and the twenty's sake. And of Egypt. Then Jehovah God came to rain was in the land before thee. And Jacob their herds, even very son Joseph, that I will keep it shall ye may drink. And

servants; and thy lord, hear me. For he limped upon the people. And Jacob her name called for I have heard my roof. And it upon the Plain, and Ephraim. And Jacob went throughout all his house. And Moses and your brother, will not pass over the shadow of Goshen; and let them on the land of the ark three years, and Aram. And Jacob answered and went in Sodom, compassed the God hath he said, Bring forth my law, or bad. And unto the hail ceased, and seven ears of the food and beast; all Pharaoh's servants, and eastward

grave unto the fountain, and men-servants, and it according unto the men are we said, This time Shua's daughter, sister to buy us make of Dan: Hushim. And if money of theirs. And God hath sent thee out his brother. And Joseph said unto Manasseh's head, and yielded up his wives of Zilpah, whom Sarah denied, saying, Be fruitful, and his throne, even to us, and laid up out from this day in that God caused the house of it done deeds unto Moses, Rise up early in their vessels of Egypt, he, and he said, Wherefore the men go,

may not let us make mention of Israel, who took a son. And she hasted, and his land. And he may serve the sons and God will dwell in one came home, they returned to pass after their service, in vessels with you; and came to go, except your houses: for I am I met? And Judah took Ishmael to give it, and said, Now the angel of the cloud, to put them from before him yet alive: I took Sarah. But as captives of flies shall say unto his blessing Jacob, saying, Get thee in the groaning of Pharaoh

fire; its legs and let them into the guard. And he hath sent this land, saw the integrity of Abraham, with him, to see your God, Oh that we are the ram, and went before thee; and begat sons and thy seed shall be on his life, in the man called his father, and his sheep: and all his sheep. And now, [though] thou hast: and blessed them: and thou goest toward me away, and hail; and went out the tent door, and Beriah, and room for him rods before thee: and his blood shall sacrifice to every living creatures,

reigned in the land of every creeping thing that went backward, and wouldest thou hast changed my lord such as captives of Pharaoh well, he delivered thine eyes, and ye have served thee. Dwell where God will exalt him. And Laban said, The sons of the Plain, that I judge: because of Canaan fainted by an altar there, and the land of the city and into the ear, and summer and captains over before Jehovah, until now, I die. But Jehovah hath been keepers of Ephron, which was gone out with him; male and every man in the Fear not,

hail, and Abram took his raiment, and I will come in the bracelets for me first. And Joseph went up in tents. Now the Egyptians could not eat bread, and stood yet alive, and speckled and thirty years, and the garden. And he said, Let us and Cheran. These are their families, in the land of the herds, and cause frogs upon them: They sank as he may bless me. Now therefore also, and almonds; and he begat Enosh: and they went with thee to the oak: and in unto thy servants unto his hand. For God called Zerah. And

fetch a young man, and bring me another son. And Joseph's house. And they came unto Ephron. And Abraham thy brethren are we will go in thy remembrance when Joseph will we may release unto his work shall serve, will fight against man should do righteousness answer of Israel strengthened himself, [purposing] to Abimelech said, Have I sworn, saith Jehovah, what will give them rulers over his mother with her widowhood, and said, Behold, thy curse, my voice, and smote them, saying, Lie with her, and he said, What is Jacob's thigh of Israel went to thy nativity. And Moses

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RuBLed (995686) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369267)

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Re:Next article... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369321)

How about you suck my cock. Sound good?

--Bob Malda

They'll sell (3, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369629)

Yes, a lot of Wiis sold to casual gamers. But do they really think hardcore gamers didn't purchase a Wii? Of course they did, to sit next to their 360. They would buy a decent game no matter what console it's for.

There is massive untapped potential for the Wii. I know the graphics are less powerful, but the Wiimote still lends itself to 1st person shooters better than any gamepad. Resident Evil proved that. And the Wii is the only console that a RTS (like Starcraft) would even be possible to be played on. Keep in mind, development costs on a AAA title for the Wii are half or less what they would be on a 360 or PS3.

Please, just make some games for it. Please.

Re:They'll sell (2, Interesting)

Crookdotter (1297179) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369749)

Not to every demographic, certainly not to me. I play games on the PC (CoD, HL etc - the big grown up games), yet on the Wii I mainly play silly games, like mario kart or sonic or brain training stuff, or guitar hero. This is because the missus also plays on the wii (who wasn't any kind of gamer before the wii).

One is the typical lone player in a room somewhere, the other is a social or family game played in the living room. I don't think we'd play hardcore games on the wii at all.

Kids seem to favour the Xbox at the moment - Wii isn't regarded so highly by them and the PS3 is too expensive with not great titles. I think Nintendo are between a rock and a hard place, in that they've done wonders to expand the demographic of players on the Wii, but in doing so they've had to market casual and family games rather than hardcore games because it's families who play the Wii the most.

Re:They'll sell (-1)

wisty (1335733) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369921)

Xbox is best for console games, PC is best for PC games. Wii is the best and only platform for Wii games, which is highly differentiated from most mainstream games. I guess the usual genres (button mashing fighter games and platform games on consoles; FPS, RPS, and RPG games on PC) are not so great on a Wii. Wii games have not matured into proper genres yet, but give them some time. Wii fit and Wii sports are nice technology demonstrators (just like Quake 3 was a great engine demonstrator on the PC), but not fantastic games. Great games marry a well known genre with great stories, challenge curves, artwork, plot, and so on; all of which takes time, iterative design, and lots of competition. If Nintendo wanted the Wii to really take off, they could release a few free engines / dev kits for new developers to play around with, then wait for the legendary games to emerge.

Re:They'll sell (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369963)

I am not a gamer, but I bought a Wii for the family for Christmas. The best thing about it for me is that you can play the games standing up. It doesn't actually make you fit but it is still much better than sitting around.

I would love to see a second life client for the Wii. I would definitely give that a go.

Re:They'll sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26372743)

second life on the Wii? that'd be about as fun as playing the Wii while it is in the OFF position.

Re:They'll sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376283)

You can play the games from any console standing up. Those XBox 360 controllers work just as well four feet off the ground as they do two feet up.

In fact, you might be surprised to know that lots of folks as recently as ten years ago played the majority of their video games standing up, at these buildings called 'arcades'.

Re:They'll sell (5, Insightful)

TemporalBeing (803363) | more than 5 years ago | (#26374927)

If Nintendo wanted the Wii to really take off

Except the Wii is ALREADY the most successful platform in this generation if not in all previous generations. It's only competitor is PS2 for sales counts, and its already crushing that for where the PS2 was at the same life point.

Face it, the Wii already took off as it is with the strategy Nintendo is already using. Why would they change it?

Great games marry a well known genre with great stories, challenge curves, artwork, plot, and so on; all of which takes time, iterative design, and lots of competition.

For hard core gamers, true. For everyone else, not so much. Most people care about being able to (a) have a little bit of fun, and (b) being able to play the game. For example - I love racing games, but a lot of the hard core games are just so unplayable that it makes them worthless to me unless I devote hundreds of hours learning how to play the game, which I have not desire (nor time) to do. Hard core games may love that, but the other 99% of us don't.

Wii fit and Wii sports are nice technology demonstrators (just like Quake 3 was a great engine demonstrator on the PC), but not fantastic games.

WiiSport and WiiFit are probably among the most played on the console among any age group. They'll likely go down as a the number one titles for this generation of consoles (if not for all generations up to it) as well if they keep up as they do. Don't forget, they're also used in a lot of places that would never have seen a console otherwise (e.g. nursing homes, rehab centers, etc).

Wii games have not matured into proper genres yet

I'll somewhat agree here - but even then, there are a lot of different genres on the Wii, and some likely some new genres that don't exist any where else. But that's more due to the new technology Nintendo put out than it is for the system as a gaming console.

Re:They'll sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26388369)

Except the Wii is ALREADY the most successful platform in this generation if not in all previous generations. It's only competitor is PS2 for sales counts, and its already crushing that for where the PS2 was at the same life point.

The console sales for the Wii are higher than any other next-gen console, but the companies don't make much money on console sales. Microsoft is managing to break even on the 360 and Sony is losing money on every PS3 they make. The sales that matter to these companies is in the games. At the moment Microsoft is doing far better in this area.

Considering that Nintendo has managed to get a Wii into more households than any of the other consoles, it's ridiculous that they have such low game sales to show for it.

Re:They'll sell (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 5 years ago | (#26391423)

Why change? Because they are selling the console extremely well but are doing a poor job selling games. Anecdotal, I know, but everyone I know who has one, doesn't touch it anymore. It might get turned on for the rare party, but that's it. If they had more games that catered to the people who play games, they would be doing better.

I really don't understand the Nintendo apologist. You are actually trying to argue against more diverse games on the Wii. How on any planet would having something more than mini-games on the Wii be a bad thing?

Re:They'll sell (1)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 5 years ago | (#26380467)

Wii fit and Wii sports are nice technology demonstrators (just like Quake 3 was a great engine demonstrator on the PC), but not fantastic games.

They really suck for games. But they are played more than any beter game out there. Why? Because they are fun. Sure, Resident Counterquakedoom of Zombies FPS is a great game. Sure the people that review it drool endlessly over it. But people are playimg Wii Sports more. And for lots of reasons, for one, it's easy to pick it up and play with no previous knowledge or training. Another is that I know an old lady with arthritis. She likes to play games some, but had trouble with every other game she's ever played (including PC games because of the mouse). However, even on her worst hands day, she can play Mario Cart, and most everything in Wii Sports.

If Nintendo wanted the Wii to really take off,

Then they'd design it for all people, and not just hardcore gamers. Oh wait, they did, and it has really taken off. I guess they don't need to listen to a hardcore gamer telling them what they did wrong, when they are the champion of the current gaming system generation.

Xbox is best for console games,

Xbox? I guess the Xbox doesn't exist anymore. I bought one. I'll never buy another Microsoft hardware product again, not even their decent Natural line of keyboards. Why? Because when the 360 came out, the Xbox was treated like it didn't exist. They even created a whole new live system to make it more difficult to buy online time for the Xbox. It was abandoned so fast it was painful. The only good thing about it is that it's dirt cheap to pick them up used. A friend got 4 of them for his church along with a pile of games for less than the original price of a single one. Microsoft abandoned it so well, people don't even state which Xbox they are talking about, but the "360" must be assumed. There are more games being made for systems that are older than the Xbox than were made for it in its prime.

Wii is the best and only platform for Wii games, which is highly differentiated from most mainstream games.

Last I looked, Wii accounted for half the market. It defines "mainstream" better than anything available on the 360 or PS3. Wii Sports is the number one selling video game of all time, beating anything ever put out by Sony or Microsoft. Yet they have yet to join the mainstream. I think the mainstream has left the station, and you are standing on the platform with the crazy old homeless lady reminiscing about the good old days where graphics made the game, even if it played like crap.

Re:They'll sell (2, Informative)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370125)

"One is the typical lone player in a room somewhere, the other is a social or family game played in the living room. I don't think we'd play hardcore games on the wii at all."

That's just, like, your opinion, man!

Personally I like the 360, I like FPS, but I also like doing it with friends, preferably in the same room. This is why things like Gears of War 2 utterly rock. It's an involved, all action shooter you can play split-screen co-op.

The Wii sits largely unused because basically the games are usually like a collection of flash games with a funky controller.

Give me something hardcore that makes good use of the Wiimote please. I know I'm not the only gamer that feels this way. I have this funny feeling that the Wii may be about the best selling console we ever see, but also with a historically low attach rate as kids/families love it but don't buy many games, and the likes of me just leave it in a corner.

Re:They'll sell (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26372507)

Have you heard of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Tales of Symphonia 2, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, House of the Dead 2 and 3 Return, Resident Evil 4, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon, Manhunt 2, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and so on?

The games that have a little more substance than a 'collection of minigames' are there, you just have to be a little less of a gaming hermit and look for them.

Re:They'll sell (-1, Flamebait)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#26372715)

"The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess" - Really rather boring.
"House of the Dead 2 and 3 Return" - Too arcadey, not much substance really.
"Super Smash Bros. Brawl," - Cartoon beat-em-ups are fun, but not really that involved or compelling
"Super Mario Galaxy" - Again, cartoony
"Manhunt 2," - played on PS2

The rest perhaps I should look into.

It doesn't detract from the original point though - that decemt, in depth games can work on the Wii too, not just endless reruns of "Super Mario: Lets shake the controller as fast as we can or pretend to be fishing maybe"

Re:They'll sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26374501)

cartoony

Mario Galaxy was easily the most engrossing game I played last year, and the fact that it had cartoon characters in it didn't detract from this one bit. Does playing games on your children's toy which are themselves marketed towards children bother you?

Re:They'll sell (2, Informative)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#26374659)

It doesn't bother me in the slightest, it just doesn't really do it for me either.

Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed stuff on the wii, but it doesn't have lasting appeal. This thread should be evidence enough for third party games companies that there *is* an audience of folks like me, regardless of the validity of my opinions on cartoony games.

Re:They'll sell (1)

Swizec (978239) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369767)

No, 1st person shooters on a wiimote? That's insane, you'd _actually_ have to be a good shot to be any good at the game and I doubt most gamers are.

However I can't think of a better way to play Diablo or some other hack&slash than with a wiimote that carefully translates your actions into sword movements. THAT would be awesome! Does it even have enough precision by the way?

Re:They'll sell (2, Informative)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369787)

No, 1st person shooters on a wiimote? That's insane, you'd _actually_ have to be a good shot to be any good at the game and I doubt most gamers are.

Not really. From what I have seen all first person shooters have a shooting ridicule so you know exactly where the shot is going to go. It really is a lot like aiming with a mouse in that way. With traditional first person shooters you had to feel for the correct spot.

However I can't think of a better way to play Diablo or some other hack&slash than with a wiimote that carefully translates your actions into sword movements. THAT would be awesome! Does it even have enough precision by the way?

Not likely or at least not easily. But Wii-motion plus should hopefully fix things. From what I have seen, the motion controls on the wiimote aren't that amazing, but the pointer controls work really well.

Re:They'll sell (1, Informative)

Jeremy Visser (1205626) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369827)

Not really. From what I have seen all first person shooters have a shooting ridicule so you know exactly where the shot is going to go.

I think the word you're looking for is "reticule".

Re:They'll sell (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26370825)

...more commonly called a "reticle."

Re:They'll sell (4, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26372549)

From what I have seen all first person shooters have a shooting ridicule

What, like some NPC that follows you around and rags on you when you miss?

Re:They'll sell (3, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377481)

What, like some NPC that follows you around and rags on you when you miss?

Like that fucking dog from Duck Hunt.

Ahead of its time, apparently!

Re:They'll sell (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 5 years ago | (#26381993)

Personally, I've been waiting for gaming to get the "move your arm to shoot" control for FPS type games since the NES was the hottest thing in town. A FPS is much, much better when you're actually, you know, shooting. Like in the arcade.

Re:They'll sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369893)

No, 1st person shooters on a wiimote? That's insane, you'd _actually_ have to be a good shot to be any good at the game and I doubt most gamers are.

You should test Metroid Prime for Wii. It clearly shows that FPS games are possible for Wii. Heck. That game is one of the biggest reasons I got convinced about Wii. The Wiimote and nunchuk -controls for FPS games are ingenious.

I just wish i could control a beowulf cluster with those ;-D

Re:They'll sell (2, Informative)

grumbel (592662) | more than 5 years ago | (#26383805)

You should test Metroid Prime for Wii. It clearly shows that FPS games are possible for Wii.

For me Metroid Prime 3 on the Wii showed the exact opposite. It near impossible to hit anything in that game if you don't use lock-on. The whole concept of having aiming and character rotation on the same control feels pretty broken and lock-on is the only thing that makes that game playable. Now that doesn't mean an FPS is completly impossible, it would be interesting to see a game would work where the Wiimote is used for aiming exclusivly and rotation is done by the analogstick. But as is the Wiimote is far far away from being a decent FPS control.

Re:They'll sell (2, Insightful)

alannon (54117) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370179)

I disagree entirely. Just try playing Metroid Prime 3, for example. It's a first person shooter and has fantastic controls, particularly if you compare it the Gamecube Metroid games. As good as a mouse & keyboard? That -might- be arguable. But certainly in the same class.

Re:They'll sell (1)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370491)

However I can't think of a better way to play Diablo or some other hack&slash than with a wiimote that carefully translates your actions into sword movements

Are you kidding? Going from *click*click*click*click* to *swing*swing*swing*swing* would make your arm fall off after 5 minutes.

Re:They'll sell (1)

Swizec (978239) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370539)

I didn't say it would be easy. But it would be AWESOME! :P

Probably not. (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26372033)

From what I understand there's a couple of games that try something like this and the combat was described as boring and uninspired.

Re:Probably not. (1)

Swizec (978239) | more than 5 years ago | (#26372299)

Probably depends on how it's done. If you just swing emptily around with gestures, that's boring. But if the motion of your wiimote is directly translated into the motions of your character's sword then that's something. But such a game with all its procedural programming would probably be top news on slashdot throughout its development like Spore was and wouldn't just be "a couple of games ..."

Re:They'll sell (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26375133)

yeah, you don't want any real skills to play a game.

However, it's not actually that bad. The games I have seen are designed to take the lack of RW experience into account.

Re:They'll sell (2, Informative)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370027)

I know the graphics are less powerful, but the Wiimote still lends itself to 1st person shooters better than any gamepad. Resident Evil proved that. And the Wii is the only console that a RTS (like Starcraft) would even be possible to be played on.

When i tried playing resident evil on the wii i found that the wiimote simply doesn't make a very good gun, you have to aim the a crosshair by moving the wiimote instead of just aiming. If the wiimote was ever made into a good aiming device then perhaps it would be good for "gun games" (i cant think of the correct genre name but timecrises and resident evil are not really FPS in the hardcore "oh shit i forgot to sleep again" sense) but the problem is that most genres need you to be able to control the direction and movement of the character, and if you want to achieve this you either lose the benefit of aiming with the wiimote, or end up with a complex control system which looses the benefit of the wiimote entirely.

Hardcore games tend to come in 3 main genres RPG, FPS, RTS (and their multilayer variants). The Wii doesn't have the control scheme to compete on FPS (mouse+keyboard or joysticks) which is generally what the majority of hardcore gamers play. While the wii could make some ground up on RTS and RPG it multiplayer aspect is defiantly lacking (i have to admit that Microsoft have done something right with xbox live, hell enough suckers are paying monthly fees for what you get free on pc games that they must be).

SO of 6 'hardcore' genres the wii is limited to 2, while it may be worth encouraging a few ports to the wii, nintendo are better of forgetting about hardcore gamers and just coming out with original games for casual gamers/families e.g minigame based, board games, puzzle adventures, etc

Re:They'll sell (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 5 years ago | (#26371239)

but the problem is that most genres need you to be able to control the direction and movement of the character, and if you want to achieve this you either lose the benefit of aiming with the wiimote, or end up with a complex control system which looses the benefit of the wiimote entirely.

That's what the "nunchuk" (which includes a thumb joystick) is for.

Re:They'll sell (3, Informative)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26373699)

When i tried playing resident evil on the wii i found that the wiimote simply doesn't make a very good gun, you have to aim the a crosshair by moving the wiimote instead of just aiming.

Pretty much. The wii remote is not a light gun. The point the remote is actually pointing at is not likely the point at which the reticule is going to be at... so you can't sight down the 'barrel' of your wii remote.

However, if you use it as intended, as a way of manipulating the on screen reticule... tilting your aim down to move the reticule down, up to move it up, etc... using the position of the reticule to guide your movements to adjust its position it works VERY well. And frankly this is exactly the same way you use a mouse on a computer or target with a thumstick on a ps3/360.

In fact, in my opinion, it works FAR BETTER than a ps3/360 auto-centering thumbstick for aiming, and compared to the mouse its "equal but different".

The mouse is still more precise, and you can play longer without fatigue so its better from that point of view, but standing in front of a big screen TV pointing at it with the wii remote is more visceral and immersive so its better from that point of view. ...but the problem is that most genres need you to be able to control the direction and movement of the character, and if you want to achieve this you either lose the benefit of aiming with the wiimote, or end up with a complex control system which looses the benefit of the wiimote entirely.

It sounds like you played, Resident evil Umbrella Chronicles'. The rail-shooter.
Try Resident Evil 4. or Metroid Prime 3 which use the thumbstick on the nunchuk to control movement to great effect, and then come back and let us know.

It works much better than you seem to think is possible. The Wii is amazing with a good FPS title.

Re:They'll sell (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 5 years ago | (#26382335)

You do know you can calibrate the reticle to actually point where you're aiming it, right? It takes a little bit of effort moving the reciever around and testing, but it works. No more effort than sighting in a real gun, I s'pose.

Re:They'll sell (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26387339)

You do know you can calibrate the reticle to actually point where you're aiming it, right? It takes a little bit of effort moving the reciever around and testing, but it works. No more effort than sighting in a real gun, I s'pose.

Is that a calibration feature of a particular game, or are you saying its generally true. Because its not generally true from what I can tell.

You can certainly improve things to a point, by moving the light bar and re positioning yourself. But it has no way of telling it how big your TV is, and no system of pointing at the center and corners to give it some sort of calibration info... unless I've really missed something.

Re:They'll sell (1)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 5 years ago | (#26380311)

you have to aim the a crosshair by moving the wiimote instead of just aiming

I ended up putting a pillow on my lap and resting the wii remote on it. I only needed to make small movements of the remote to move the reticle about the screen. Much less arm strain than trying to hold the wii remote out in from of you during a long gaming session.

Why would they cost less? (1)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370035)

Keep in mind, development costs on a AAA title for the Wii are half or less what they would be on a 360 or PS3.

Admittedly, it's been a decade since I had anything to do with the games industry, but I'm seriously drawing blanks there. Why would they cost less? Coding support for a mouse or gamepad isn't half the cost of any game I know of, so how's the wiimote going to cut half the costs?

Or are you just comparing the cost of doing a silly (if fun) minigame on the Wii to, say, a complex RPG on other consoles, and extrapolate from there? I mean, seriously, half the games on the Wii seem to be of the calibre of Link's Crossbow Training or similar complexity. Again, I'm not picking on the fun factor, just the complexity there. Other games have something like that as just one of the many minigames, or as just one of the many things you have to do.

I don't think the costs of writing a good story and scripting it are going to get any lower, just because it's on a Nintendo console, for example.

And considering how many games these days are cross-platform, or at least try to look as good as the competitive offerings on other platforms, I don't think Wii's crappier hardware is going to be much of a cost-saver for most devs. In practice, you'd end up having to redo the graphics or level or do perverse swapping tricks to fit (some of) them into its tiny memory. Either of those means actally extra development costs. Again, don't extrapolate what's needed for a minigame to mean you'd need the same pittance of graphics for a more complex game.

Low detail (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370423)

Keep in mind, development costs on a AAA title for the Wii are half or less what they would be on a 360 or PS3.

Admittedly, it's been a decade since I had anything to do with the games industry, but I'm seriously drawing blanks there. Why would they cost less? Coding support for a mouse or gamepad isn't half the cost of any game I know of, so how's the wiimote going to cut half the costs?

Because Wii uses 480p video, artists can get away with less detailed meshes and textures than Xbox 360.

In practice, you'd end up having to redo the graphics

For a title that isn't going anywhere other than Wii, PS2, PSP, and PC with Intel GMA, you just "do" the graphics at low detail in the first place.

Re:Low detail (1)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370933)

Except even a:

- PS2 has 4MB of video RAM, vs the Wii's 3MB

- PSP, ok, has marginally less RAM and video RAM, but has to run at a fraction of the resolution. And has the excuse that it's a _portable_ system, i.e., you don't expect the same games as on a home PC or console. You expect minigames to play on a bus or train.

- PCs with Intel GMA, you can't even freaking buy one with less than half a gig main RAM and 64 MB video RAM, except if someone robbed a museum and you found their fence. Heck, most new-ish chipsets allow for more shared RAM than the Wii has total, including main memory.

- heck, even the ancient Dreamcast had 8MB of video RAM, for the same 480 line resolution (if nothing else, it supported 640x480 non-interlaced on a VGA monitor)

Nintendo's little cheap box is good for one thing: minigames. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for them. They found a lucrative niche there, and obviously filled a need. Kudos and more power to them. But if you're going for AAA PC-like titles, that yesterday-gen hardware is going to be a pain in the arse.

_If_ you make graphics only for that console, you just shot yourself in the market share.

_Even_ _if_ you make the graphics only for the Wii, if you want your game to compete with more than minigames, you'll want the game to at least look competitive with what one can buy on other consoles in your chosen genre. You're moving outside the niche of the minigames nobody else did, at that point. If you want me to buy a complex RPG (or any other genre) on a Wii, well, you'll have to give me some reason why I wouldn't buy the better looking PS3 or XBox 360 games in that genre instead.

Nothing against the console as such, but I will be comparing the games when I decide which I buy. Precisely because I have nothing against either of the consoles a priori. I don't care if it's a PS3 or XBox 360 or Wii one, I'll just compare the games. Yours better not look much worse than the game from those other guys, if they're in the same genre and thus compete with each other for my cash.

You _will_ end up doing extra programming to swap graphics in and out, to make that comparison work in your favour.

Re:Low detail (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26372639)

_Even_ _if_ you make the graphics only for the Wii, if you want your game to compete with more than minigames, you'll want the game to at least look competitive with what one can buy on other consoles in your chosen genre.

No. People buy games for more than just their graphics. What you have to make is a good game which many companies are currently failing spectacularly at. Would you really buy an inferior game in the same genre just because it looks better? The competition is on quality which is more than graphics.

BTW, the 3MB video memory seems to be just the part embedded into the GPU, the system also has 24MB of SRAM and 64MB of GDDR3 SDRAM which should be fast enough to be used for graphics as well (GDDR3 is used on some graphics cards and it's the slower of the two). Since games tended to have higher resolution textures on the GC than the PS2 I think the main memory can indeed be used for textures as well and the 3MB are just the framebuffer and cache. The 360's GPU has 10MB on-chip, for comparison. These are obviously not the same numbers that are advertised for PC graphics cards with their 512MB and whatnot. Of course if it mattered the marketshare wouldn't corelate negatively with the processing power.

And anyway, the Wii is pretty much 50% of the market so going exclusive (as opposed to everything-except-the-Wii) to it isn't exactly a big loss of marketshare but it saves you a massive amount of dev costs (which seems to be becoming important as more and more companies fold because of the dev costs of their HD games).

Re:Low detail (1)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 5 years ago | (#26373533)

No. People buy games for more than just their graphics. What you have to make is a good game which many companies are currently failing spectacularly at. Would you really buy an inferior game in the same genre just because it looks better? The competition is on quality which is more than graphics.

You'd be surprised how many people proclaim loudly that they care about gameplay more than graphics, then go and buy based on graphics anyway. Plus, there's got to be _some_ reason why everyone falls over themselves to provide lots of screenshots.

At any rate, it's a bit of a non-sequitur anyway. If you have great ideas and design skill, you'll have them on any platform. I don't think the guys at Blizzard lost half their IQ because their game isn't on a Wii, for example. And I don't think John Romero would become a great designer if anyone only gave him a Wii SDK. So the same companies which produce duds on the PC, will produce duds on the Wii too. Lack of ideas, lack of design skills, and lack of willingness to take risks by the publisher are what produces those epic failures, and giving the same people a Wii SDK won't make one iota of difference.

So far the only company which is Nintendo-only with their great ideas is Nintendo itself. And it's not the hardware that makes them possible, it's simply having the people who come up with those games.

And anyway, the Wii is pretty much 50% of the market so going exclusive (as opposed to everything-except-the-Wii) to it isn't exactly a big loss of marketshare but it saves you a massive amount of dev costs (which seems to be becoming important as more and more companies fold because of the dev costs of their HD games).

Last I heard, actually the PS2 is still in the lead as the most played console.

Re:Low detail (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26374115)

Graphics used to be the yard stick but as you said the Wii isn't exactly graphically powerful yet it's outperforming the HD consoles by far. The PS2 is damn ugly compared to all three and yes, getting the most playtime.

Of course the Wii won't magically make a bad game good, that's why third parties are failing so hard on the system, they just throw half-assed ports on there and wonder why noone buys them.

Re:Low detail (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | more than 5 years ago | (#26375055)

Last I heard, actually the PS2 is still in the lead as the most played console.

It's just a matter of time. Nintendo is selling more Wii's every month, and has far surpassed the max per month Sony made of PS2's. So it's only a matter of time before the Wii becomes the most played console.

Re:Low detail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26378143)

The difference being PS2 actually has games people want to play and invest time into. Now that the casual fad has turned from boom to bust due to oversaturation, the Wii does (and probably will) not.

Re:They'll sell (1)

Mattsson (105422) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370175)

If they have support for using a Bluetooth or USB mouse, an RTS would be great on the Wii.
Same goes for any other console with BT or USB support, though.
In my experience with the Wii, the Wiimote isn't really suitable as a mouse-replacement.

Re:They'll sell (1)

socrplayr813 (1372733) | more than 5 years ago | (#26373393)

Replacement != equivalent

Developers should figure out creative and useful ways to use the Wii remote in their games, not just treat it like a mouse. Just because it's not as precise as a pointer device doesn't mean it doesn't have a place. The Wii remote doesn't have to perfectly mimic the function of a mouse to replace it for Wii games.

Re:They'll sell (1)

Binty (1411197) | more than 5 years ago | (#26374861)

After playing World of Goo for pc and wii, I have much more respect for the wiimote pointing function. In case you haven't heard of it, the game involves placing little balls using drag and drop mechanics to build structures. In some cases you have to be very fast and very precise and the wiimote handled it beautifully. It was at least as good as a mouse, and I think some extra polish on the wii controls actually made the game better on that platform.

Re:They'll sell (0, Troll)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370305)

I bought a Wii, then gave it to my little sister a few months after getting my PS3, because the Wii was getting absolutely no use. It wasn't because of the graphics, it's just because of the lack of games with depth. The only games I played for more than a week were Zelda and NFS: Carbon.

You can plug mice into Xboxes and PS3s, so I don't see why playing an RTS on a console would be any more awful than it already is on PC. In fact my little brother used to play C&C on Playstation with a mouse, which we also used for playing Quake (bit of an unfair advantage for the person that had the mouse in multiplayer matches though).

Re:They'll sell (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370745)

the problem is the "adult games" are half assed on the Wii.

I have bought one of the Splinter cell series for the Wii. the game utterly sucks. Mostly because the controls were programmed by a complete idiot.

Instead of using the Wii's powerful controls to make a shooter game better, Ala Raging rabbits, aim the wiimote like a gun, I have to shoot using their auto aim and the most ckunky control system on the planet. It makes the game suck because the guys that programmed it were idiots, the playtesters were idiots, and they simply phoned in the game in hopes that some schmuck will buy it accidentally.

So if these companies half ass the controls, yes the games will not sell. Many games are a no brainer purchase. but after my experience, anything that may interest me that is a shooter or another type will be rented first to see if the programmers were morons once again and screwed up the controls.

Re:They'll sell (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370823)

My wife got me my Wii. It's been a while since I owned a console (SNES). I like it, but I'm not into causal gamers. I try to buy all the kinds of games I do like (Tomb Raider, RE4, etc), but sadly there isn't much choice for me. So I plan on getting a PS3. I'll continue to buy games for both (Tomb Raider UW, since it seems the Wii version is different). Hopefully more serious games will come to the Wii.

So... I'm with you, but I'm losing faith that my kind of games will ever take hold on the Wii.

Re:They'll sell (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 5 years ago | (#26373879)

I'm sure there is a very large % of people doing exactly what you say, 360/ps3+Wii. Add the physical relationship the Wii has created between games and gamers and possible future games makes a hardcore gamer like me want it even more. I'd be pretty stout if my FPS gaming required me to run and jump.

Re:They'll sell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26374005)

The Wii is just a gamecube with a cute remote on it. Its an underpowered machine that no one really wants to waste their time on.

All decent games are cross platform and will be played and purchased on a more powerful machine.

Let people go back to playing Wii Sports and leave it alone. I know most of the profit comes from software, but maybe they will think of that next time they design a console.

My Wii sits there turned off for 6 months at a time until family or friends come over.

Re:They'll sell (1)

Jaazaniah (894694) | more than 5 years ago | (#26374391)

I agree, but I'm not holding my breath. Several months ago I sent a scathing letter to Nintendo customer service as I felt I got the short end of the stick by a long shot by purchasing a Wii. The avoidance of "bundles of mini-games" would be a very welcome change to this hardcore gamer.

A quick run down of my letter is I outlined my number of nintendo purchases over the years and the fraction of those that I felt were worth the time and money. It went from 50/70 for the original gameboy to 11/30 for the Wii. I let them know that they lost my priceless customer loyalty. I'll return to a cold-hard analysis against their competitors for the next generation.

Re:They'll sell (1)

iwan-nl (832236) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377879)

to sit next to their 360.

That would be my PS3, sir! I've never been this insulted!

...

Just kidding. I don't own any console. Just my Sony Vaio laptop :P

slashdot != news for nerds or stuff that matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369643)

1) remove the politics section
2) remove the idle section
3) delete the accounts of all editors and readers who mainly posted in those sections
4) ...
5) news for nerds, stuff that matters

http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot%2C+digg

You see that? Even sites where one can post random bullshit have become more popular than this fucking place...

you whore this place out to sensation, plugs and bullshit...

Even the GNAA doesn't seem to post here anymore...

Re:slashdot != news for nerds or stuff that matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26369721)

That's because the classic and always-amusing GNAA press releases get caught by the lameness filter now. Which is a damn shame, they were always a good read.

Re:slashdot != news for nerds or stuff that matter (1)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370509)

That's because the classic and always-amusing GNAA press releases get caught by the lameness filter now. Which is a damn shame, they were always a good read.

I'll second that, now all we get are lame, unfunny racist trolls.

Re:slashdot != news for nerds or stuff that matter (4, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#26369859)

http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot%2C+digg

You see that? Even sites where one can post random bullshit have become more popular than this fucking place...

I'll go one further:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot%2C+digg%2C+4chan

You underestimate the popularity of random bullshit. It attracts vast numbers of people. Of course few of them have anything worthwhile to say desu desu desu desu desu. I can has cheezburger?

Re:slashdot != news for nerds or stuff that matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26370121)

trolling towards a worldwide inflection point

http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot%2C+reddit

Re:slashdot != news for nerds or stuff that matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26370063)

Slashdot is the most popular in Japan, maybe this site should close down and we could all move on to slashdot.jp.

It's really quite simple (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370051)

The Wii has sold 46 million consoles. How many of those do you need to sell to in order to make a profitable "hardcore" game? Not that many...

Re:It's really quite simple (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370459)

The math on this is quite easy to grasp from a marketing angle. If even a single percent of all Xbox 360 owners buy a game, that's still nearly half a million units. Considering that hardcore gamers tend to gravitate to the Xbox 360 (and PS3, which also has high units sold numbers), a well-designed title can do extremely well. Just look at the launch day numbers for games like GTA4, Halo 3 or GoW2!

Re:It's really quite simple (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370793)

A massive marketing blitz helps a lot too.

Re:It's really quite simple (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26372821)

Yet in the end most of the games are still crappy, don't sell and leave the company bankrupt because of the insane budgets they blow at these games. EA had to downsize because they no longer managed to make up for the cost.

BTW, if 1% was half a million the 360 would have sold 50 million, it did about half that number. The Wii is at about 46 million sold, if 1% bought a game there you'd have your half a million.

Re:It's really quite simple (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26372171)

By that logic, everyone should be developing games for the... PS2?

After all, it's got 5 times the install base of the Wii. The problem with "hardcore" games is that most of the people who like to play them don't actually own a Wii or also own a platform that caters to "hardcore" gamers. So, by producing the game for the Wii, you're either not selling to your target audience. If you go cross platform, your game either looks terrible compared the games on the 360 and PS3 or looks terrible on the Wii compared to PS3 and/or 360 version which naturally hurts sales on the Wii further and makes it less profitable to create the Wii version.

Like most of the people actually faced with this decision, it's just not a good risk to take unless your company name rhymes with Mintendo.

Re:It's really quite simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26372991)

Soccer moms and senior centers aren't going to buy 'hardcore' games.

Re:It's really quite simple (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 5 years ago | (#26375673)

But hardcore gamers also have a 360 or PS3. Both of which provide dramatically better graphics.

Re:It's really quite simple (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 5 years ago | (#26383845)

What you forget is that a casual game is much cheaper to produce and might easily sell more. A hardcore game isn't very attractive target, when the target audience is in a completly different direction. Also most hardcore developers like to push boundaries, with the Wii it would be quite a step back on the technical side.

Adult games.. where are they? (3, Funny)

LurkingOnSlashdot (1378465) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370645)

I think the Wii has a huge untapped potential for x-rated adult games with special "attachments". Why are we not seeing these materialize?

Re:Adult games.. where are they? (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26375759)

Adult peripherals? Nintendo should realize that's a great opportunity for market penetration.

Animal Crossing (2, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370647)

There are lots of in-depth Wii games. Just not a whole lot of shooters (Res Evil, Metroid, Ghost Squad, etc.) But given that the Wii is the number one selling console worldwide, I'm sure that will change. Can't wait for "Animal Crossing - The Revenge"

"What's that? Terrorists have siezed Tom Nook's Store?!"
Goodbye fishing pole, hello chain-gun!

Re:Animal Crossing (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 5 years ago | (#26370813)

Tom Nok: "wawaweeewaaawaaeeeeewawewaaweewaa?!!!"

"Me "For the last time! I do not understand your fucked up language! Eat chainsaw bayonet!!!"

The commercials are telling me something different (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26371011)

Have you watched TV lately it seems like XBox and to a lesser extent Playstation are trying to get the casual/family gamers. Haven't you seen the XBox commercial were you watch a person playing a game all in a sudden gets a stroke and it spins around to the back of their head and you see them doing what they were doing before with a Dad or Mom or something. Then saying all the family games they have (like 2) just to try to get to the Casual Gamer/Family market and compete with the Wii.

I personally don't care for Hard Core games because they usually get boring after a while. Games like Mario Cart you can always strive to get better at it.

Re:The commercials are telling me something differ (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26372297)

I've noticed that every game I've seen advertised for the 360 lately has been cross platform. It's usually rock band or something similar in those commercials.

Hardcore Gamer (1, Insightful)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 5 years ago | (#26371389)

Nintendo Wii? Oh you mean that thing I pick up once or twice a year when I'm having parties...

Re:Hardcore Gamer (1)

the_arrow (171557) | more than 5 years ago | (#26373383)

Only one or two parties a year? Dude, you really need to get in more!

Good (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 5 years ago | (#26373651)

I played Resident Evil 4 (Wii Edition). I played Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. I played Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy. I'd have played Okami if I hadn't finished it on the PS2. I played Bully: Scholarship Edition.

Then at some point, it seems the industry decided to stop trying. I haven't seen a new Wii game that appeals to me in months. It's all casual games and shovelware. So I've mostly been focused on the PS3.

But give me another Resident Evil or Metroid Prime on the Wii and I'm in. Or how about some RPGs?

MadWorld (1)

Jorophose (1062218) | more than 5 years ago | (#26379539)

If you like games for real men, MadWorld is going to make you go nuts.

A beautiful cell-shaded game, in black, white, and red. It's a gameshow where the more creative you are with your kills, the more points you get. I believe you're in downtown Tokyo or in a similar place, I've only seen screenshots but you're in a more Asiatic city environment.

And there's also The Conduit, Monster Hunter 3, etc., which should be a lot of fun. Of course, I've still got to hunt down all those good Wii games, and it's fairly long play times.

My first time with the Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26374589)

I'm a former hardcore gamer who has been steadily employed, and just not interested in any game system since the SNES. I bought my brother a Wii for Christmas and we spent a LOT of time playing it.

My initial review- WOW this is AWESOME. I'm ready to wear a full body suit and play games that give a more immersive experience.

We got a Wii Fit along with some steering wheels, guns, nunchucks, the whole shebang. I wish there were more games that implemented the Wii Fit along with two controllers / or 1 controller and the nunchuck.

I love video games but the downside is you're basically sitting on your butt all day. The Wii gave me a heck of a workout and it was FUN. I'm normally a clean freak but I didn't mind breaking a sweat playing on games for 4+ hours straight. I'm DYING for some serious games for the Wii that really put you in the game. I also want more games that recognize the specific angle at which you're holding a sword or shield, rather than just raising your arm to trigger a swing.

I'm surprised anyone doubts this kind of gaming experience.. In my opinion it seems like the holy grail of gaming.

Yes (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26375105)

lets not develop for the most popular console in the way people bought them for.

Genius!

Star Wars Unleashed (1)

tedgyz (515156) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376261)

I bought Star Wars Unleashed for my 15 year old son. It sure feels like a hardcore game to me. I know it isn't on the far end of the hardcore scale.

Metroid Prime 3 is pretty hardcore too. The only thing lacking is gore and zombies.

As a hardcore gamer and wii owner... (2, Insightful)

ActionJesus (803475) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377667)

The problem I have with the wii currently is that I can count the number of games which I have enjoyed on one finger. (Fyi, super mario galaxy.)

The problem seems to be that for every "serious" game on the wii, 100 "fun/party" games are released. Sure, it was cute at first, but ~2 years later and I've pretty much not touched the wii since. Sure, a few party games are kinda fun (wii sports for example), but most of them fall into the category of "do something silly with the wii remote for a few seconds, and not much else". To say nothing of the fact that I DONT SPEND EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE SOCIALISING WITH FRIENDS. (I know, i know, typical slashdot crowd...)

Now, I realise that these games are probably selling left, right and centre, but it doesnt mean that you're not allowed to make decent, single player games. For chrissakes, I use the wii more as a gamecube emulator than anything else these days.

The wii is clearly capable of running halfway decent games, but unfortunately it seems no-one is interested in producing them.

*other note: im not including wiiware in this rant, as Im well aware that several smaller/indie developers have released stunning games, such as world of goo. But frankly, if I wanted a console with online capabilities that didnt suck, I would've bought an xbox.

But Pokemon Ranch is fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26378499)

Making dictator Miis and plopping these evil people down amongst your Pokemon is enjoyable for some reason. Ever wanted to see Adolf Hitler clumsily trip over a Slowpoke and fall onto a Stinky Ball? Worth the $10.

Hardcore games like... (1)

j741 (788258) | more than 5 years ago | (#26382499)

Yes, please please please develop more in-depth games for the Wii.

Here are two current games that I want, but have not purchased only because they are not available on the Wii, and I have not purchased any other console:

- Grand Theft Auto IV (I loved GTA III on the PC)
- F.E.A.R. II

And there are many others that I have passed up, the only reason being that they were not available on my console of choice (or more specifically, my controller of choice).

Re:Hardcore games like... (1)

EW87 (951411) | more than 5 years ago | (#26388513)

FEAR II isn't even out yet! Pre-ordered for PS3 YAY

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