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Ballmer Sets Loose Windows 7 Public Beta At CES

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the conventional-wisdom-ranks-it-high dept.

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CWmike writes "The rumors turned out to be true. Microsoft will release a public beta this week of its next desktop operating system, Windows 7, hoping it will address the problems that have made Windows Vista perhaps the least popular OS in its history. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will launch the beta during his speech at the start of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Wednesday. Preston Gralla reviewed Windows 7 beta 1, noting 'Fast and stable, Beta 1 of Windows 7 unveils some intriguing user-interface improvements, including the much-anticipated new task bar.' MSDN and Technet subscribers should be able to get the public data tonight. The general public will have to wait until Friday."

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672 comments

Pivacy Issues (0, Troll)

Erris (531066) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376551)

Re:Pivacy Issues (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376839)

I've played around with the leaked beta for a bit, and was actually pretty impressed. They've pretty much taken Vista, polished it up and threw in some nice UI tweaks so it doesn't feel like you're using Mojave. It's much snappier, and I really like the facelift given to apps like Paint and Wordpad. It won't be replacing Debian on my laptop any time soon, but it's a definite step in the right direction, which isn't something I'm able to say too often about Microsoft products.

Re:pRivacy Issues (1)

aardwolf64 (160070) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376965)

What kind of pirate are you? You're missing your ARRRRRR.

w00h00 (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376553)

w@rm sn0w

I tried to watch some of his speech. (4, Funny)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376557)

If it weren't for his grating voice, they could sell that video as a sleep aid.

-jcr

Re:I tried to watch some of his speech. (0, Troll)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376627)

The Reality Distortion Field has a large sway over you.

Re:I tried to watch some of his speech. (-1, Offtopic)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376901)

Were you trying to make some kind of point, or just tossing out a non-sequitur for fun?

-jcr

The Dangers Of Wacking Off To Jobs Keynotes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376703)

You really have to feel for the Mac loonies facing Jobs taking a dirtnap soon.

The days of jumping up and down and tinkeling their panties over every overpriced and overhyped Apple product with an 'i' bolted on the name and actually cradled in Steve Jobs VERY OWN HANDS right there on stage in front of you are over.

Don't cry retard, you can still put on your emo black sweater and hold up your fucking iPhone in front of a mirror just like Steve did to relive the good old days...

 

"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? (5, Interesting)

Wildfire Darkstar (208356) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376563)

...or doesn't it count because no one even tried to take it seriously?

Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? (5, Interesting)

Ron_Fitzgerald (1101005) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376687)

My first thought as well. Millennium was even more horrendous then Vista in my opinion.

Vista problems, at least in my experience, were due to hardware incompatibilities. Millennium was a terribly built OS that was rushed out way before ready.

But maybe that was their strategy, "Millennium who?"

Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? (4, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376755)

At that time you could choose Windows ME or Windows 2000.
MS had a hard time to get people off Win9x.
Windows ME fixed that in a jiffy.

Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? (1)

conureman (748753) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376863)

I haven't even RTFA yet, that headline was so egregious I had to comment. I never even tried doing anything with ME, got some bad advice and bought a copy, but while installing it came to realize my error. I think I was re-formatting to go back to Win2K within a half-hour. Maybe 15 minutes.

Re:"Least popular"? What about Windows ME? (2, Insightful)

fruey (563914) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377023)

Unbelievable but true: I ran WinME on my home machine for quite some time with little ill effects. Apart from some hardware incompatibilities I've read about, what was _so_ bad about it?

Re:"Least popular"? What about "Bob" (1)

hAckz0r (989977) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376989)

I understand that "Bob" was the absolute worst. Kind of like having a fancy Clippy tell you how to 'think' just so that you can learn to use something that does absolutely nothing other than tell you how to use it. In never used it, so maybe that's why I don't think much of MS products these days, I have not been assimilated yet.

Early reports say... (5, Funny)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376575)

Early reports say that no audience members were injured at today's CES, a rare occurrence for a Ballmer speech.

Not true... (5, Funny)

thenewguy001 (1290738) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376859)

A few audience members had scorched retinas from the spotlights reflecting off Ballmer's head. Ballmer says a new coat of turtle wax was to blame.

Slashdotism (4, Funny)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376579)

Balmer is a looser.

Re:Slashdotism (0)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376593)

/callvote electric shock's for ppl who spell 'loser' as 'looser' (sic)

Re:Slashdotism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376633)

/callvote electric shocks for ppl who use an apostrophe in a plural context

Re:Slashdotism (2, Funny)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376655)

/callvote electric shock's for those who don't know why I typed '(sic)' :P

Re:Slashdotism (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377067)

No, he's saying the apostrophe after shock is erroneous.

/callvote electric shocks for all you grammar nazi's ;)

Re:Slashdotism (1)

bendytendril (1281160) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377071)

Where are my mod points? +1 funny!

Re:Slashdotism (1)

conureman (748753) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376903)

Oh the irony.

Re:Slashdotism (4, Funny)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376675)

Man, I expected someone to get it. He's a looser, not a loser. You know, the headline is about him loosing something. Sigh.

Re:Slashdotism (1)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376691)

*bows down to emphasize unworthiness* :)

Re:Slashdotism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376749)

As one of your Troll moderators, I apologize. Good one.

Re:Slashdotism (2, Funny)

Bozzio (183974) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376917)

You insensitive Mod!

You could have posted non-anonymously to remove your mod.

Re:Slashdotism (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376667)

You're a tighter.

Re:Slashdotism (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376783)

You're a tighter.

In this context, I think the antonym would be 'captivator'.

Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (3, Insightful)

RavenofNi (948641) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376591)

Microsoft will release a public beta this week of its next desktop operating system, Windows 7, hoping it will address the problems that have made Windows Vista perhaps the least popular OS in its history.

So, Vista failed because they didn't provide a public beta for it?

How about addressing the increasingly long list of features people actually want instead of a resource intensive API to make my windows translucent? Or, making what was arguably Vista's best and at the same time worst feature (UAC) something that works without making itself so intrusive as to be the first time users desire to disable?!

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (1, Funny)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376637)

How about addressing the increasingly long list of features people actually want

The role of an operating system isn't to give consumers what they want but to convince them to pay for the infrastructure over which you may push your business partners' products.

*cough* DRM, DRM and more DRM

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (4, Insightful)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376743)

So, Vista failed because they didn't provide a public beta for it?

Did you read two words of the summary to interpret its meaning? They are releasing a public beta AND hoping to address the problems. That's like replying to "Microsoft hired 3 new programmers to work on Windows 7" with "Didn't they hire programmers to work on Vista?"

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (2)

therealmorris (1366945) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376757)

Or, making what was arguably Vista's best and at the same time worst feature (UAC) something that works without making itself so intrusive as to be the first time users desire to disable?!

Funny, since that is one of the things they've done! It's really easy to change the UAC level of annoyance, and at default it doesn't kick in on user initiated actions and is generally much less annoying than in Vista (which in my opinion wasn't that bad anyway!) Try the beta, you might be pleasantly surprised.

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (5, Insightful)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376785)

r, making what was arguably Vista's best and at the same time worst feature (UAC) something that works without making itself so intrusive as to be the first time users desire to disable?!

I love UAC. On XP, I used to have to de-malware my [anonymized family member]'s computer every couple of months. On Vista, I'm watching them use their machine, and UAC pops up with some spyware wanting to install. Box read, permission declined, no infestation I have to clean up.

Again, it works great for me!

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (3, Insightful)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376939)

I love UAC. On XP, I used to have to de-malware my [anonymized family member]'s computer every couple of months. On Vista, I'm watching them use their machine, and UAC pops up with some spyware wanting to install. Box read, permission declined, no infestation I have to clean up.

Average users compulsively click "yes" to any nagging dialog box without a second thought. That is what they have been conditioned to do. UAC doesn't change that, it's just one more box to click "yes" to. That's why it sucks.

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26377017)

Yeah? You know what average users do because you have some information, or because you have a low opinion of anyone you consider average?

Maybe (4, Informative)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377103)

But most everybody using a computer is worried about spyware and viruses. UAC requires user education. You need to train your users (family, friends, etc) that when you see a UAC dialog, they better think. Tell them they should never see that dialog unless they are *installing* a program they bought (or downloaded). Train them to be nervous and worried about UAC dialogs... they should never see one unless they are installing software. It will encourage them to call you when one shows up.

UAC + user training = way better then XP. Your family can install crap easily, and they will call you before they do (so you can talk them out of installing yet another damn toolbar). Win win.

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (4, Funny)

adonoman (624929) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377109)

But at least Vista now keeps track of when users install stuff - this has made my life easier several times:

Family member: "My computer is getting pop-ups all the time"
Me: "Did you install anything recently?"
fm: "No."
Me: "It says here you installed on , just before you started complaining about things"
fm: "Well, yes, there was that. But that was supposed to make things better."
me: "...."

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (0, Troll)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377113)

I love UAC. On XP, I used to have to de-malware my [anonymized family member]'s computer every couple of months. On Vista, I'm watching them use their machine, and UAC pops up with some spyware wanting to install. Box read, permission declined, no infestation I have to clean up.

Which only shows how you have become conditioned to cr*p software. You and your family should not have to make such decisions (accept or decline installation of random software).

I use Linux as my desktop (both at home and at work). I don't have to make decisions about whether to allow installation of some random cr*p that I had not asked for. If your benchmark is XP, then yes, it's better (maybe --because people are conditioned to click "yes" anyway), but there are better benchmarks out there.

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (2)

int69h (60728) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376797)

UAC seems to work pretty well. Alot of the excessive nagging seems to come from older applications assuming they have free reign over the system. The only other times I've seen it I would have also had to use sudo on Unix.

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (5, Informative)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376853)

Actually, they did provide a public beta for Windows Vista. I was pretty excited to get the next version of Windows to "beta test" before it was released. The whole "oooh new and shiny" factor.

But, the nice thing about the "resource intensive" API is that it actually uses your video card. Running Vista on a repurposed workstation at work, Aero without glass performs better than the software-only "classic" mode. (Though, this is anecdotal. The machine has 768 MB of RAM and an older Pentium 4.)

The funny thing is Vista tries to put the hardware you have to use. Have 8 GB of RAM? It'll use the unallocated memory to cache programs. Have a discrete graphics card? It'll be virtualized and time slices doled out to applications. Have System Idle Process running at 99% 'cuz your CPU is bored? It'll index files, or defrag your disk (if your disk is also idle.)

But, using hardware that would otherwise be idle is "resource intensive." It's a matter of perspective.

+1 rambling for me? I'd settle for a cookie.

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26377111)

But, the nice thing about the "resource intensive" API is that it actually uses your video card.

Uh, dude, Windows has been doing that since, oh, Windows 98. (I think technically Windows 95 OSR2, but 98 is as good a cutoff as any.) Definitely not a new thing.

Have 8 GB of RAM? It'll use the unallocated memory to cache programs.

Which is wonderful, because I love having my hard drive in constant use, driving down battery life. Especially to cache things I'm not actually using, especially when it'll just be replaced with stuff I AM using!

Have System Idle Process running at 99% 'cuz your CPU is bored? It'll index files, or defrag your disk (if your disk is also idle.)

See above. (Also, you're wrong on the defrag, that's a cron job that runs weekly. And shouldn't be required on a modern filesystem at any interval, let alone weekly.)

Re:Oh, that's what made Vista fail!? (3, Informative)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377069)

Please read what they said before complaining about it.

They ARE fixing UAC, and they ARE slimming down Vista. I quote from the article.

Among the new features in Windows 7 are an updated interface, including a redesigned task bar; tools to make home networking simpler; and a reworking of the User Account Control feature, which annoyed many Vista users with its constant prompts. It also aims to give better performance than Vista and supports a touch-screen interface, though few PCs are likely to use that feature at first.

The minimum recommended hardware for the beta includes a 1-GHz processor, 1GB of system memory, 16GB of available disk space and support for DX9 graphics with 128MB of memory (to enable the Aero theme), Microsoft said.

(emphasis mine)

My mistake about this - it wasn't this article that had the "lean" part... it was this one [pcworld.com] :

At the 2009 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has announced a free public beta of the new OS, which reportedly will be less of a resource hog than Vista and may even run well on netbooks. The Windows 7 public beta is reportedly "feature complete" and will expire on Aug. 1, 2009.

Microsoft says Windows 7 is a leaner, stripped-down OS that will require as little as 1GB of memory. Then again, it's fair to be skeptical here. Vista has the same memory requirement but runs sluggishly on systems with 1GB of RAM.

(emphasis mine)

New Task Bar -- wow! (not!) (3, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376613)

'Fast and stable, Beta 1 of Windows 7 unveils some intriguing user-interface improvements, including the much-anticipated new task bar.'

New Task Bar? Do the words "Titanic" and "rearranging the deckchairs" come to mind here?

Re:New Task Bar -- wow! (not!) (3, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376791)

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Who gives a flying crap (other than Preston Gralla obviously) about a taskbar?

Solve the incompatibility problems between Vista and XP if you want to impress me. Plug security holes. Drop useless bulk. Or at least provide a way to optionally include it at install time. Streamline. Make it run faster than XP. [cnet.com] Vista performance is embarrassingly atrocious. Fix THAT instead.

All these known problems and complaints, and the best thing you decide to do is to tout a new Taskbar? Unreal, MS.

Re:New Task Bar -- wow! (not!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376913)

Or at least provide a way to optionally include it at install time. Streamline. Make it run faster than XP. Vista performance is embarrassingly atrocious. Fix THAT instead.

Those are actually two of their goals with Windows 7.

Re:New Task Bar -- wow! (not!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376993)

Uh no that's what the reviewer decided to tout instead of benchmarks. Your beef is with them.

Re:New Task Bar -- wow! (not!) (4, Insightful)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376827)

By the look of it, they have fired their entire R&D team and using betas of kde 4.2 instead.

Re:New Task Bar -- wow! (not!) (4, Funny)

EvanED (569694) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376953)

Microsoft isn't rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Vista is soaring! If anything, Microsoft is rearranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg!

(With apologies to Stephen Colbert.)

Re:New Task Bar -- wow! (not!) (0, Offtopic)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376969)

Do the words "Titanic" and "rearranging the deckchairs" come to mind here?

Every election year.

Least popular?? (5, Insightful)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376625)

Hardly. If anything, it's the *most* popular. Popularity doesn't necessarily mean that something is liked, but having a lot of people dislike something as in the case of Vista means it's pretty damn popular. Just not for the reasons you'd like. It's easy to tell which is the least popular Windows ever: Windows 1.0. (It would be Microsoft Bob, except that's not actually "Windows".)

However, even for the "most hated" award, it's a tight race between ME and Vista. I'd say the hatred of ME is more intense, while the hate for Vista is more widespread.

Re:Least popular?? (1)

W2k (540424) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376843)

Mod parent up. Actual sales of Vista aren't bad by any reasonable judgement, and that's about as good an indicator of real "popularity" as you can get.

Speaking absolute numbers, any software company in the world would be thrilled to sell ~10 million copies of their flagship product every month. So before you call Vista "unpopular" I'd like to ask: "Compared to what?"

Re:Least popular?? (2, Insightful)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376981)

Actual sales of Vista aren't bad by any reasonable judgement..

Of course to get those 'sales' they had to force vendors to force consumers to 'buy' vista with any new laptop.

And besides, using "well, n n00bs who don't know jack about anything bought our product" as an indicator of success is somewhat flawed.

Re:Least popular?? (1)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377019)

/callvote drop an IRC-UI over slashdot and log comments to the site..

Re:Least popular?? (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377001)

Compared to XP, 2000, and 98 (adjusted for reality) I would think. Also, it's only 10 million because they dont sell (or support to varying degress) the others anymore. What's worse, the vista marketshare is horrid. This means they record sales for people who remove it, aka the vast majority. //work and friends combined, 2 copies of vista still running, but also have XP. Rest of the 200-odd people run XP solely.

Re:Least popular?? (2, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377047)

In the same lacking sense of logic, you've equated sales to popularity. In today's computer market if you buy a PC it will have Vista, like it or not. You actually have to go out of your way to get something else installed. Sales do not reflect popularity.

What about us Vista users? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376651)

Are they offering free upgrades to us early adopters, or is it the usual screw?

Re:What about us Vista users? (5, Informative)

Ron_Fitzgerald (1101005) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376805)

Here is a Computerworld article that states MS may give away free Windows 7 upgrades to those who purchased Vista after July 1st.

http://linksubmit.net/?8e8296 [linksubmit.net]

Re:What about us Vista users? (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377035)

Here is a Computerworld article that states MS may give away free Windows 7 upgrades to those who purchase Vista after July 1st, 2009.

But, still, it is interesting. It is probably about the only thing that could convince me to buy Vista at this point rather than waiting for Windows 7 to come out.

Pssssh (1)

RemoWilliams84 (1348761) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376671)

I don't need a new operating system...

I HAVE VISTA!!! /sarcasm

OS isn't important any more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376673)

An operating used to be an important piece of software but now it's just something that lets me run my applications.

I expect more annoying changes to highlight the differences between this OS and previous generations in some vain attempt to make it seem worthwhile buying. When it's released it'll bum out because people don't want changes in their OS, they want to web surf, work and play games, all of what Microsoft intervenes in just to highlight their new flashy features.

Discount for after July 1 (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376681)

Purchase of Vista?
One of the primary reasons Vista has slow adoption has been the tiers and pricing.
What's it is printed, the development costs are sunk. The need to have one tier of windows 7, and change 99 bucks for it.
It is far better for them to get everybody onboard the new system, then it is dealing with the hassle of corporations ahving so many versions.
It is also in there best interests to set the stage to ditch all legacy 32bit apps they sell.

Hell sell it for 59.99 and they would move 100 million the first year. Everyone on Vista will move over, as would people holding out on XP.

Re:Discount for after July 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376931)

"Hell sell it for 59.99 and they would move 100 million the first year. Everyone on Vista will move over, as would people holding out on XP."

Will it perform better than Windows XP? Because that's the only way I'd pay a dollar for Windows 7.

Re:Discount for after July 1 (3, Informative)

mpapet (761907) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376955)

One of the primary reasons Vista has slow adoption has been the tiers and pricing.

Microsoft is a price maker. (look it up on wikipedia) They can charge whatever they want. Charge too much and some regulator/law enforcement authority will have to pretend to do something, eventually.

They don't have to charge too little because it's just throwing money away. No one else will capture the value, so it's their loss.

Discounts are a bad, bad thing. Like coupons, discount shoppers are your worst customers.

Hell sell it for 59.99 and they would move 100 million the first year. Everyone on Vista will move over, as would people holding out on XP.

They will get the XP customers eventually. They intentionally charge a little more (after adjusting for inflation) for each release to make up for the small number of customers they lose each release. Most of those charges the consumer can't quite calculate on their own because they get passed onto the reseller. Comparing a similarly spec'd Dell Linux/Windows machine is a good estimate. Last time I did it, a Vista machine was $240(USD) more.

The price maker lowers the volume of computers manufactured and sold and raises the prices we pay for all of the technology inside the average PC.

Bottom line: The customer getting screwed the most is the long-time Microsoft customer. The rest of us are getting screwed anyway.

OS or GUI??? (4, Interesting)

cptdondo (59460) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376705)

So the bulk of the article gushes all over the taskbar, with a bit of Aero thrown in...

Are the pundits so brain dead that they don't know the difference between an OS and a UI? A taskbar is not an OS.

The koolaid must be good.....

I want to hear what they did with the DRM. I want to hear what they've done to make the system more stable under load. I want to hear that they now have a package manager, instead of DLL hell. I want to hear that drivers now ship with the OS, and I don't have to install 70 MB of bloatware just to "install" a keyboard.

Oh wait, but look at that icon on the taskbar..... Slurp, slurp, damn that koolaid tastes good.

Re:OS or GUI??? (1)

Mystery00 (1100379) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376817)

"Are the pundits so brain dead that they don't know the difference between an OS and a UI? A taskbar is not an OS."

Yes.

Re:OS or GUI??? (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376845)

Are the pundits so brain dead that they don't know the difference between an OS and a UI? A taskbar is not an OS.

Considering how many people and pundits cannot distinguish between iMovie and OS X, is it really that much of a surprise?

Re:OS or GUI??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376861)

To the majority of people the OS is indeed the UI. MacOS is highly popular becuase of its easy to use UI. Most flavors of Linux are based off the same operating system with different UI features. The primary factor keeping Linux a free OS off the majority of systems is the lack of an easy to use UI for the computer illiterate (and apps, but you need more users to get a bigger share of the development market). Windows XP is basically a UI overhaul to Windows 2000.

Your never going to hear the information your looking for in a /. summary, it would involve researching the product. Judging by the tone of your reply I assume you have already written any Microsoft product off as unsatisfactory so that research will never be done.

Re:OS or GUI??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376899)

I want to hear that they now have a package manager, instead of DLL hell.

It really is surprising to me, that many years after various package managers for Linux have been perfected, there's not a hint of such a thing for Windows.

They have all this Windows Installer infrastructure for sticking things in a central Programs list and pushing out software in domains, but no automatic updates, no shared dependencies, etc. Why not? It doesn't take a genius to draft a design that allows integration with third party servers, commercial license checking, signed packages, etc etc. Business networks can continue however they like, but desktop users would have a much-improved experience. Instead we have a complete mess of each program doing its own auto-update, or not, so you have to check its website periodically.

Re:OS or GUI??? (5, Insightful)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376919)

You're confusing issues. They are reviewing the new version of Windows. The specific definition of Operating System is ultimately meaningless in this discussion.

The new taskbar and other UI tweaks are a part of the new version of Windows.

Re:OS or GUI??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376927)

If you don't like it then don't use it and don't whine about it. Tired of hearing little bitches like you complain about every little fucking thing.

Re:OS or GUI??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376963)

I agree that far too much emphasis is placed on the UI, although that is virtually the only thing non-technical end users would easily notice. The Side-by-Side system mostly alleviates DLL hell, though it introduces issues that can be even harder to remediate. However, the 70 MB of bloatware is not Microsoft's fault; Logitech and others just shovel a bunch of useless "value-added" crap into their driver packages. If they were decent human beings they would provide a driver only package or a minimal install that only includes the essentials.

Re:OS or GUI??? (1)

int69h (60728) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377011)

Pundits have never been a good source for technical information. You should try going straight to the source. I can tell you if you just want to hear it though. The system should be more stable under load due to the revamped scheduler and IO priorities that shipped in Vista. Hardware drivers have always shipped with the OS. Obviously hardware that's released after CDs have been pressed isn't going to be supported by default, but I don't know of any OS that can claim that.

You do realize that I'm now going to have to bash ten Microsoft products now to regain karma equilibrium.

It's okay... (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376709)

my disappointment in Windows 7 is already 10 months old [slashdot.org] .

Codename (5, Funny)

leroybrown (136516) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376741)

I, for one, won't sign up until it's given a cool name like 'Moab', 'Durango', or 'Rumplestilskin' and a slick marketing campaign designed to fool me into upgrading.

Re:Codename (2, Funny)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376991)

That's a good point, but in order to really force me to upgrade they should add a new version of DirectX that will arbitrarily only run on $NEW_VERSION and introduces some $NEW_VERSION only effects [firingsquad.com] ."

Anonymous Coward (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376747)

Quote:
Ballmer will announce that there are now 100 million active Vista users, and that an additional 80 million licenses have been sold but not yet activated -- many to corporations.

How is that something to boast about? Essentially that tells me there are nearly as many businesspeople forced to buy Vista but downgrading to XP downgrade as there are Vista users

Sets loose? (4, Funny)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376751)

Honestly, that title just invokes thoughts of Gandalf sitting there saying "Escaped? Or was set loose?" Followed by a freakly looking Windows 7 Beta slinking around in the shadows.

It was worse... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376767)

Vista is the most unpopular OS in Microsoft history? Did the OP ever hear of Windows ME (Mistake Edition)?

Try before you buy (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376773)

Will this new Windows have a liveCD mode, so I can try it without having to go through the pain of partitioning ? Or maybe a utility to install the OS under WINE ? At the very least make it possible to virtualize it.

I'm all for giving MS another shot, but they better make it easy for me to do so. I don't think I would ever switch back, but I would be less eager to switch everyone I know to Linux that might be even slightly possible, if they came out with a workable OS. Which would give me more free time. So please, MS, make this one easy on me !!

Re:Try before you buy (2, Informative)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376959)

What you're looking for is called VMware Workstation.

Re:Try before you buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376999)

qemu should work well enough too. Haven't tried Vista, but it works nicely with WinXP.

Windows Vista perhaps the least popular OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376809)

What about Bob?

A few details (1, Informative)

macbuzz01 (1074795) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376849)

According to ComputerWorld.com [computerworld.com] this will be a DVD iso and require Vista SP1 to install. So it's an upgrade, not a full install. In my skimming, no mention of Live CD.

Re:A few details (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26377003)

If this is the same release as I downloaded from bit torrent, then it will upgrade Vista, or do a full install on a clean system. In my case, I used XP, it installed a fresh system and put all my old files in a windows.old folder.

Better to do this than upgrade anyway, since you lose all the accreted crud that clogs up windows.

It doesn't require Vista SP1... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26377053)

It will not require Vista SP1 to install, that's the only upgrade scenario supported by this release.

You can install it on a clean machine, in a dual boot configuration or however you want, but it'll only upgrade(as in transfer across settings, etc) Vista SP1.

Windows 7 admin/root accounts and 64-bit (5, Informative)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376857)

From what I understand, Windows 7 is Vista with some GUI improvement, significant performance enhancements, and new features. It's not a rewrite. It doesn't break backward compatibility. It doesn't solve the 32-bit 64-bit dilemma that both Linux and OS X are addressing. It doesn't eliminate the behaviour of configuring user accounts to be admin/root by default. It also doesn't force application developers to break old habits.

It's definitely an improvement over Vista, but Microsoft is bound by backward compatibility requirements to keep shipping OS's that are fundamentally broken and that do not allow for 32-bit apps and drivers to run out of one 64-bit OS.

They missed a golden opportunity to fix these problems to keep their OS relevant in terms of keeping up with OS technology.

Re:Windows 7 admin/root accounts and 64-bit (1)

poached (1123673) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377099)

replace Vista with Windows XP and replace Windows 7 with Vista and your post is just as valid. These are the same complaints that people made with Vista.

Friday? (1)

InfinityWpi (175421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376887)

Didn't the general public have access to it last week? Friday's just the dya they're -supposed- to have access to it.

Interesting note on the MSDN download.... (5, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376891)

To protect your MP3 files

1. Before you install this Beta release, back up all MP3 files that might be accessed by the computer, including those on removable media or network shares.

2. Install the Beta release of Windows 7; download and install the Update to Windows 7 Beta (KB961367) located on this page.

'To protect your MP3 files' - uhm, wtf?!

Re:Interesting note on the MSDN download.... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26377013)

http://windows7news.com/2009/01/02/windows-7-beta-damages-some-mp3/

Re:Interesting note on the MSDN download.... (0, Flamebait)

jandrese (485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377097)

Maybe it automatically DRMs them? That would be the next logical step.

Vista the worst? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26376895)

I thought the worst operating system of all time was Window ME, then again has Microsoft made anything that didn't crash.

Zune - All crashed on the same day.

XBox - Rings of Death

Windows (any version) - need I say more.

How can such incompetent people make so much money, eh, it's probably the same as some nobody getting elected by repeating the word Change.

 

Is it better than XP or just better than Vista? (1)

GlassHammer (1336191) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376915)

Still running XP and so are others I suspect. Would be nice to know if 7 is allows me to do something XP can't. The other issue is my overall lack of desire to purchase tech any time soon. Not too hard for me to forget Vista but it is hard for me to forget XP.

My hopes for Microsoft 7 (1)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376937)

It will finally have a chair throwing screen saver.

Nice headline. (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26376943)

"Set it loose." Does Windows 7 have rabies? Is it about to start gnawing on people passing by it? Is it not potty trained yet? More to the point... Why are we advertising Windows 7 here. It's really more something for E! Weekly -- Because as far as I can tell... Windows 7 is just Windows XP with a nose job. And dear god, has it gotten fat... Can it even fit into a size 16 now? Next week's headline: "Ballmer and Seven Check into Weight Management Clinic," with a paparazi photo showing him throwing chairs at the other inmates. Microsoft claims it was shopped... Film at 11.

You know they are in trouble (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377061)

When their "improvement" is the damned taskbar...

I mean, damn: cant they see that taskbars are going the way of the dodo or turning into widgets and quickly being made obsolete by desktop searching?

Of course, when you see the previous one, its to be expected that, for them, its a big thing.

downgrade again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26377089)

Why anyone without any force would downgrade they hardware is beyond my understanding... come on microsoft, remove all the video, audio, driver .... low level encryption... and maybe just maybe your saless will go up... where is the %$^# root account anyway???

 

Flog that dog! (0, Troll)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26377095)

Choke that chicken!
Whip that weasel!
Spank that monkey!
Crank that shaft!

I do so love these articles. You rabid anti-Microsofties never disappoint me.

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