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Sony Teases 3D Playstation 3

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the next-big-gaming-revolution? dept.

PlayStation (Games) 171

Ars Technica has a brief report from CES, where Sony demonstrated the work they've done to bring 3D technology to the PS3. Quoting: "The idea was just to show the technology to people, to see if they would be interested in sitting at home, wearing a dorky set of black glasses, watching content in 3D. I couldn't pry details about how the 3D affect was achieved, or if the display could turn any source into 3D, but what's clear is that, glasses or no, the 3D affect is amazing. Sony showed off Wipeout HD running in true 3D, and I was ready to whip out my credit card right there. Frank and I both agreed, this was one of the best demos of 3D technology we have ever seen."

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Hopeful (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384395)

I'm hopeful that Sony pulls this off and manages to get 3D-TVs to be the norm. Starting with gamers is a good way to do that, too.

Of course, if they have patents on this technology and nobody else can do it, it'll die an early death... Especially since Sony TVs are so heavily overpriced to begin with.

Re:Hopeful (5, Interesting)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384521)

Do we really need to move on from HDTV already?

HDTV lag has yet to be solved, meaning tons of old game consoles must be played with input delay. HDTVs are also still too expensive for many people to afford. And once you buy an HDTV, you need something that outputs in HD, digital cable, a Blu-Ray machine, a PS3, those aren't cheap either.

I still use my SDTV for gaming or watching DVDs as upscan converters or scalers look horrible on my HDTV. Because HDTV lag and upscaling are problems I am forced out of necessity to keep an SDTV around to play old video games without lag.

I would rather see HDTVs perfected than a move to 3D.

Re:Hopeful (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384705)

Do we really need to move on from HDTV already?

I'd say we haven't moved to HDTV at all.

Not a lot of people I know actually have an HDTV. They are indeed still expensive, but more importantly, they don't really offer anything that people need or want. The difference between standard TV and HDTV is just not large enough for people to actually care about.

HD-DVD is already dead and Blu-Ray doesn't seem to be doing all that well either. More evidence that people just don't care.

What I'm hoping for is some actual innovation when it comes to television. On-demand streaming content, where I am no longer dependent of the exact time a tv show is aired, is a feature I'm missing. 3DTV sounds interesting to me as well. I'm certainly more likely to buy a new TV for those new features, than just to get crappy reality tv shows in a slightly higher resolution.

BluRay's Amazing Success (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384833)

"HD-DVD is already dead and Blu-Ray doesn't seem to be doing all that well either."

I know! Just ask any Xbot/HD-DVD fanboy and they tell you the same thing...

BluRay continues to out pace the uptake of DVD from VHS. Pretty amazing when you consider that the VHS->DVD transition didn't were targeting the same TV technology and resolution. While BluRay is doing so well with people needing to upgrade from their old 480i to 1080p TVs to get full capabilities for the new format.

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385247)

sorry but someoen is going to have to show me actual end user purchase rates for blueray vs population and dvd vs population over time before i will even moderatly entertain the idea that bluray is catching on faster than dvd did from vhs

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385281)

Why would possibly think anyone cares what you believe or don't believe...

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385405)

Apparantly the person who replied to him/her does, or that person wouldn't have bothered replying.

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (4, Funny)

Sebilrazen (870600) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385471)

It's the top result returned from this search. [lmgtfy.com]

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385529)

Can't believe I've never seen lmgtfy.com.

That fucking rules.

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (0, Flamebait)

Amouth (879122) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386045)

the first link shows a pointless chart.. i do not belive that only 5% of homes in the US have a DVD player while 7% have a blueray player..

if you are to compare the uptake from VHS->DVD to the uptake of DVD->BluRay it needs to be % of population over the relevent uptake times.. aka from release of the first player to the market on via time.

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#26387375)

i do not belive that only 5% of homes in the US have a DVD player while 7% have a blueray player..

Who is trying to get you to believe that? Did you bother to read the title of the chart? It's the number of homes that have it after 3 years of the technology being released. It's pretty easy to believe that for example 5% of homes would have a PS3 and another 1 or 2% would have dedicated blu-ray players, that kind of thing.

Karma to burn (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386701)

That is the greatest website ever

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386017)

sorry but someoen is going to have to show me actual end user purchase rates for blueray vs population and dvd vs population over time before i will even moderatly entertain the idea that bluray is catching on faster than dvd did from vhs

Here you go:

http://www.gfkrt.com/news_events/market_news/single_sites/003339/index.en.html

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (2, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385697)

My theory is that the success of HDTV and BluRay is entirely due to the ridiculously easy access to credit over the past few years. People get credit cards with huge limits and can suddenly "afford" thousand dollar TVs, so they go out and buy them.

HDTV and BluRay adoption rates will slow dramatically now that the credit market has collapsed, especially since HDTVs are still far too expensive for the average person to buy without credit.

Re:BluRay's Amazing Success (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385879)

Nope.

HDTVs haver already dropped dramatically enough that they are no longer at a price that people are worry about paying interest on for a long time. With the digital switch about to happen and on everyone's mind, if anything there are going to be huge numbers of people going out and buying 30-40 inch lowend 1080p sets for 400-500 dollars. Even cheaper if you're someone who will settle for slightly smaller than 1080p resolutions.

And BluRay players are already down to just over 200 bucks with BluRay being promoted heavily on every single movie advertisement. And all of the electronic stores are heavily pushing BluRay with large display/demo areas.

Re:Hopeful (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385373)

On-demand streaming content, where I am no longer dependent of the exact time a tv show is aired, is a feature I'm missing.

Checked the TV networks webpages or your local bittorrent tracker lately?

Re:Hopeful (2, Insightful)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385877)

Not a lot of people I know actually have an HDTV.

This may be in your country, at least in sweden it's pretty much impossible to buy a TV set not capable of at least 720p. Most people I know already have at least 720p.

They are indeed still expensive

Expensive compared to what? Have you managed to find a non HDTV on sale somewhere. Are you sure that wasn't a firesale.

, but more importantly, they don't really offer anything that people need or want. The difference between standard TV and HDTV is just not large enough for people to actually care about.

Sure, and upscaled DVDs looks as good as blueray also. Have you ever seen HDTV material? It's very easy to see the difference. Even my GF complains about the picture when there is a good movie to watch and we only bought the DVD, the blueray was sold out when we bought the latest Narnia. If you're used to HD material DVD looks like shit, no definition at all.

Go download some Trailers [apple.com] to see what all the fuzz is about.

Re:Hopeful (3, Insightful)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386221)

This may be in your country, at least in sweden it's pretty much impossible to buy a TV set not capable of at least 720p. Most people I know already have at least 720p.

In my country (the alleged disposable consumer driven hell of the USA) most (by a HUGE margin) people have TVs over 5 years old, so even though 720p has been pretty much the only option for any non-really small TV for a couple of years, still the vast majority of people have SDTV.

4 years ago my parents purchased a 30" SDTV for $299, 2.5 years ago I purchased a 32" HDTV for $800, theirs is just as tall, so TV shows are the same size (but not as nice looking, this ignore the wide screeniness, since TV is still shot for 4:3).

Expensive compared to what?

Compared to the TV you already own they are incredibly expensive.

Sure, and upscaled DVDs looks as good as blueray also. Have you ever seen HDTV material? It's very easy to see the difference. Even my GF complains about the picture when there is a good movie to watch and we only bought the DVD, the blueray was sold out when we bought the latest Narnia. If you're used to HD material DVD looks like shit, no definition at all.

This is very true, but I still don't own a Blu-Ray player because of cost (price of disks primarily).

In fact the only "HD" content I now watch are upscaled DVDs, and that is when I put in the effort to press the button on the remote.

I generally watch SD Digital cable (the WORSE picture imaginable), and the zoom it, since it is 4:3 letter-boxed usually. This looks awful, but it saves me a lot of money every month.

When I lived closer to a city, I had no cable and watched OTA. This looked great, and I miss it, but not as much as I miss one lunch purchased out a week, or 3-4 TV season boxed sets a year ($240 month savings).

I also watch a lot of DVD's that are 480P progressive scan xvid, and then converted to 2500kps DVDs, with all settings towards speed, not quality. They looks terrible, but I get a lot on a disk, which is nice since my player has trouble with DVD-RW.

Re:Hopeful (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384773)

Actually, the lag problem has been solved. There are a number of LCDs that have 0ms lag. The problem is that most TVs haven't been designed with lag in mind, as it hasn't been much of an issue up to now. I've done plenty of gaming on my TV and never really noticed a lag before. I could play any sort of action or FPS game without a problem. However, now that I have Guitar Hero and Rock Band, those games are definitely a lot more timing sensitive, and I certainly did notice it. Hopefully the tremendous popularity of those games will bring the issue more to light and force manufacturers to work towards 0ms lag on all TVs.

Re:Hopeful (1)

Fackamato (913248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384923)

There's no such thing as "HDTV lag" or input lag on a good HDTV. I've used NES, SNES and a 360 on my 32" LCD (720p), no input lag what so ever. Stick to the good stuff, as always.

Re:Hopeful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385119)

What next? You'll tell us that the "good stuff" doesn't have motion blur?

Re:Hopeful (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385181)

I'll second this one.

Although, I've stuck with Composite/Component/S-Video style connections except for TV (I guess I shouldn't count my 360 which is a newer console. uses DVI)

Re:Hopeful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386391)

I'll third this. I have no input lag on my sony XBR. Xbox 360 and PS3 connected via HDMI and a wii and modded xbox (for emulators) connected via component.

Re:Hopeful (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385349)

What panel technology do most LCD TVs use?

S-PVA or what? Does all of them have input lag?

Re:Hopeful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26387521)

Technically, yes. All devices with wires more than a planck length away from the processor are going to have some measurable amount of lag. The problem with HDTVs is that they have considerably more lag than a straight analog signal crossing wires of the same length. This may have more to do with all the crazy HD encryption bullshit that got introduced than it would with simple bandwidth/processing issues; I don't really know b/c I haven't studied HDTVs in depth, just guessing. In all, though, they've gotten HDTVs under 10ms and that's good enough to be considered 'acceptable' by most people. I recall seeing large-scale LCD TVs with advertised response times of 2ms on newegg, for instance (notably, all in the $1.2k+ bracket)...

Re:Hopeful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26387625)

Whatever bright new technologies are out there, HDTV has to get well established before they're even considered. My parents still don't have anything besides SD TVs at their house. Once they have one or two LCD HDTVs (probably 720p, not 1080), then I could see 3D starting to come out in the marketplace. I call this my "mom and dad rule".
Also, this economic slowdown will kill ANYTHING new and exciting that wants to break into the marketplace.
And I agree, HDTV has some distance to go before it's perfected. The smallest 1080p set I've seen is a 22" one at costco. Why all sets aren't 1080p is beyond me. And LCD isn't perfect either. I think plasma is dead and tube sets died a while ago. Prices on LCDs are pretty good, but could always be better. Blu-ray hardware and media really needs to be driven down in price to speed adoption, especially given this downturn.
But, I'm pretty happy with my 26" 720p LCD with an upconverting Philips DVD player. It would be nice to go blu-ray, but I'm not planning to do that until I have something that will do 1080p, or the price of blu-ray gets down near DVD prices.

Re:Hopeful (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385025)

pulls it off? Hell 90% of the tv stations in the USA dont even have HD equipment to broadcast their local news in HD now you want all of them to buy TWO cameras per cameraman as well as special editing gear and other crap to make it "3D" with goofy glasses?

How about getting broadcasters to use HD first.

Content (2, Insightful)

symes (835608) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384455)

But it's not just the tech that's needed for these new fangled televisions and PS3s... it's the content. The whole world archive of tv/film footage would most likely be useless for conversion to 3D and I just can't see the point of buying a new TV and another bloody playstation to watch a couple of mediocre films and play a few games. If I want good 3D I'll go to the theatre (or a specialst cinema).

Re:Content (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384479)

Uhm. It's just a rendering technique and a set of dorky glasses. You won't need to buy anything except the game and dorky glasses.

Re:Content (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#26387211)

True, but your TV can only display 60 FPS. So a game won't look that great and there will be flickering.

Which is why this technology didn't catch on in the 90s, there weren't any monitors that could display it.

And it tried a bit to catch on a couple of years ago in PC gaming but everyone left the inferior CRTs for the advanced LCDs.

And IIRC those new HDTVs that claim to do 120 don't actually do it they just generates a frame that links the other two. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that though

Re:Content (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386229)

Oh... don't you worry.

Movie industry is hoping [wired.com] that 3-D will be the "new colour".
So, more and more movies are getting a 3D treatment. [blogspot.com]
As for games... they are already 3D - just add a function that will render everything for both eyes and start creating games that rely on the actual 3-D content and immersion.

And then, there is all that old stuff [wikipedia.org] out there.

Re:Content (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386643)

Movie industry is hoping that 3-D will be the "new colour".
So, more and more movies are getting a 3D treatment.

This comment seems to be a repeat from the early 1980s, the early 1950s, the 1910s...

I know it is a kind of a new technology so... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386787)

See those underlined words in the post above?
Those are called "hyperlinks".
When you position your "pointer" on them, using your "mouse device", and "click" on them they will take you to another "web site".
There is text on these "web sites".
Read it.

Grammar - Affect / Effect (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384457)

I'm pretty sure the author means "effect" instead of "affect".

Dorky reference: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/affect-versus-effect.aspx

Re:Grammar - Affect / Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384723)

What does Ben Effleck have to say about this?

Re:Grammar - Affect / Effect (1)

frenchgates (531731) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384803)

I'm pretty sure you mean Matt Demon

Re:Grammar - Affect / Effect (1)

rmadmin (532701) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386117)

He has nothing to say about it, because "I'm fucking Matt Damon"

Re:Grammar - Affect / Effect (1)

razorh (853659) | more than 5 years ago | (#26387243)

and you have him ball gagged while doing it or something?

Re:Grammar - Affect / Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385139)

Dorky complaint - that's getting the word wrong; it's not a grammatical error.

"if the display could turn any source into 3D" (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384511)

Man, I've got this bridge that would make a wonderful investment.

Re:"if the display could turn any source into 3D" (3, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384757)

There was a demo by NVidia for this kind of technology for any PC game earlier this week. It apparently uses the Z buffer information and glasses with active shutters. This is likely something similar.

Re:"if the display could turn any source into 3D" (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385309)

There was a demo by NVidia for this kind of technology for any PC game earlier this week. It apparently uses the Z buffer information and glasses with active shutters. This is likely something similar.

Uh, what? nVidia has been doing this with any PC game for years. I can do it on my laptop (if I had goggles) which has Quadro FX1500M. LCD shutter goggles are NOTHING new for PC gaming. Practically any nVidia card with an S-Video output will do it.

Re:"if the display could turn any source into 3D" (1)

GigaHurtsMyRobot (1143329) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385455)

The 'new' aspect to the recent NVidia demo was using a 120hz TV to provide a full 60 fps for each eye.

Re:"if the display could turn any source into 3D" (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386021)

That isn't new, though, because you've been able to do the same thing for some time. 120 Hz LCDs are fairly new but 120 Hz CRTs have been around for some time and the "on a flatscreen!" thing is no more valid than the "on the internets!" patent suffix.

NVidia chips (1)

dragonjujotu (1395759) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385963)

I forget, wasn't Sony working with NVidia to make their graphics chip... I guess NVidia just wanted to steal the spotlight to sell more PC graphics cards...

Re:"if the display could turn any source into 3D" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386597)

The person, or company, that can render a 3D image, in realtime, from my vintage VHS porn collection, will make millions.

Showing a DirectX 3D game in 3D is actually doable. Converting some random source of 2D input into 3D is going to take a whole new level of AI. (And cheating and guessing, lots and lots of cheating and guessing)

Sony: PS3,PSP,BluRay,Home, and now this! (-1, Flamebait)

CollinRSL (1448567) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384513)

I can't believe how amazing Sony has been doing. Just got myself a PS3 and PSP a few weeks ago and absolutely blown away by the combo. Hooked up to a nice big 1080p LCD with a brand new sound system. In all my many years as a console gamer I've never seen a console that is so completely and utterly graphically dominant like the PS3 is. And I signed up for a Netflix account and have been watching a ton of BluRay movies. Once you go 1080p and lossless audio there is no going back to crappy DVDs ever again. And the PS3's DLNA capabilities hooked up to pulling shows off my DVR and streaming over WiFi to my PSP to anywhere in the house or outside is insanely cool. Kicking back out by the pool with a pair of head phones and my PSP watching TV shows being streamed from my PS3 inside is awesome. And of course the other big news blowing everyone away with the amazing things companies like EA are doing with Home make it staggering to think how incredible Home will be a year from now if it already is this good. Sitting around with some friends talking with them about my new setup I was saying how I couldn't really imagine how a PS3+PSP+1080p TV+7.1 audio+BluRay movies could be any better. And now this incredible 3D tech. Way to go Sony!

Nice astroturfing (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384589)

At first I was only a little incredulous that someone loved Sony products so much, but then I saw the dead give-away:

And of course the other big news blowing everyone away with the amazing things companies like EA are doing with Home make it staggering to think how incredible Home will be a year from now if it already is this good.

You got greedy.

$1 Million Goods Sold in PlayStation Home (-1, Offtopic)

CollinRSL (1448567) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384613)

"$1 Million Goods Sold in PlayStation Home"

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/playstation3/-1-million-goods-sold-in-playstation-home-$1259460.htm [gamezine.co.uk]

Give the fanboy bullshit a rest.

Re:$1 Million Goods Sold in PlayStation Home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384669)

Give the Xbots a break.

The RRoD fiasco

Hundreds to thousands of dollars wasted on the dead HD-DVD format

Discs destroyed by the outdated 360 DVD drive

50 dollar a year online charges for laggy P2P online gaming

First party 360 dev studios being shutdown

And after three years on the market the 360's wimpy graphics hardware only has the same tired old Unreal Engine as its 'graphical showpiece'.

You'd be pissed off and want to lash out with your mod points if you were one of them.

Re:$1 Million Goods Sold in PlayStation Home (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384925)

And yet it's outselling the PS3 by a fair margin (not that it matters, the Wii is beating both by far). Doesn't look like people care about secondary issues like that.

Bzzzttt! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385057)

Fail fanboy.

The PS3 continues to destroy the RRoD box in worldwide sales, and that is with a 200 price difference.

The 360 is dead in Japan and all across mainland Europe just like the first Xbox fiasco.

Wait, let me guess! You get your console 'sales figures' from vgchartz...

But at the least Microsoft is providing an endless source of entertainment as the retarded circus clown of the console world with the RRoD material, shitty 360 graphics, never ending losses, and hilariously pathetic and desperate press releases about 'sales' figures.

Re:Bzzzttt! (1)

Beerduck (1109047) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386291)

360 is only failing in Japan. I'm in Europe and most of my friends have a 360. I only know 3 people with a PS3, compared to 11 with a 360. VGchartz might not be totally accurate, but theyre pretty close. In comparison shots, most games have better graphics on 360. Also, I wonder who loses more money on it's console, MS or Sony. Hint: It starts with an S. Now go back under that bridge from where you came. The hobos are wondering where you went.

Re:Bzzzttt! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386379)

Errm, Actually, out of all the people I know, who have bought consoles in the last year, I know 12 or so PS3 purchasers, and no Xbox purchasers.

As for losses.

$4billion for Sony for PS3
$8billion for Microsoft for Xbox.

Sony are close to break even, Microsoft are now along way off with the recent price drop.

Hilarious Insight Into The Xbot Mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386537)

"VGchartz might not be totally accurate, but theyre pretty close"

Gets his sales numbers from a twenty something Xbot typing fabricated sales figures into his little website with all of the numbers accurate out to the last decimal so they look 'legit'.

"In comparison shots, most games have better graphics on 360"

The 360's first party titles are so graphically embarassing that he is forced to rely on rigged 'comparsions' from the Xbots at gametrailers. Using intentionally setup of wrong video captures for the PS3, playing games with higher image compression on the PS3 images, capturing PS3 screenshots at different resolutions and then doing an intenionally shoddy job of scaling them, or even better when they were caught red handed just flat out fabricating a PS3 comparison and then responded 'yeah, so what, what are you going to do about it' like pathetic little teenage Xbots

"I wonder who loses more money on it's console"

And of course the continual delusions about the insane Xbox losses. Three years into its sad and pathetic life, the RRoD box built out of the cheapest and shittiest components and manufacturing is still losing money even with the idiotic 50 dollar a year online fees you are forced to pay and the FUCKING MAC BUSINESS unit having been moved over into the E&D division to try to hide the losses.

Care to make an even bigger fool out of yourself you fucking piece of shit Xbot?

Sony has managed to put together the most reliable console in history with brand new drive technology and a gigantic graphical power advantage over the 360 and they are already breaking even on the hardware at the two year mark. And they are now getting huge amounts of royalties from every BluRay player after they beat the crap out of Microsoft and Toshiba's turd format HD-DVD.

8+ billion dollars wasted on the Xbox fiasco and all they have to show for it is the worst console hardware in history.

High five Microsoft!

Re:Bzzzttt! (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26387683)

Wait, let me guess! You get your console 'sales figures' from vgchartz...

Let me guess, you're getting yours from your ass. Sure, "fabricated". The whole world is involved in a conspiracy to make Sony look bad! Everyone is trying to deny the superiority of the PS3! It really sold 100 million!

The PS3 is dead last because Sony is a bunch of arrogant assholes who thought that throwing tons of features noone wants into a system and upping the price accordingly (while talking about how people will get a second job to buy one) is the winning combination. They're getting obliterated by a cheap, in the eyes of the increasingly irrelevant hardcore gamers crappy, console that improved the part about the whole experience that people actually wanted improved: Accessibility!

Meanwhile "hardcore" gaming is going down the toilet with ever increasing budgets that the sales can't make up for (leading to bankrupcies and downsizings), games becoming more and more passive in order to pull of their cinematic moments because players by themselves aren't particularly cinematic so everything has to be automated or cutscened, difficulties drop because noone wants to rewatch scenes from a movie and lengths are going down because every damn hallway takes forever to make while the player runs through it in 5 minutes. Oh and exclusivity? Not gonna happen with these budgets, every single game is 360/PS3/PC all at the same time with the PC version 25€ cheaper. And if you pay those insane 70€ per game prices you get to buy horse armor and more for additional money. PS3 vs 360 flamewars are getting retarded anyway with both consoles being practically the same ("baaaaaaw 50€ per year online service!" "baaaaaaw 400€ console!" "baaaaaw prettier graphics!" "baaaaw Final Fantasy 13 no longer exclusive!"), it's a ridiculous battle fueled by both companies that drives up their presence in the internet media in order to hide that both are being obliterated by a console that completely ignored all the "advantages" of the next generation.

XBox 360 vs PS3 is a red herring, they want you to forget that they didn't even put up a fight when the Wii came along. The "HD" companies listened so much to the internet circle jerk they completely lost touch with what the masses out there wanted.

Re:$1 Million Goods Sold in PlayStation Home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384675)

You got me. Because people only buy quality products.

Over $500 million in ring tone sales [nypost.com]

Re:$1 Million Goods Sold in PlayStation Home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384691)

Ouch!

High five retard!

Stupid Xbots. Go back to playing with your little Nintendo Mii dollies.

Wait, holy shit! I just noticed the italics! You totally owned me!

Re:$1 Million Goods Sold in PlayStation Home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384941)

Hmm, you make some good, well thought-out points. I'll have to think this over and get back to you.

Re:$1 Million Goods Sold in PlayStation Home (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384887)

1 million dollars on virtual furniture? Expect a sharp rise in Brawndo sales.

Re:Nice astroturfing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384715)

People love Sony products, because they are generally reliable, and always high quality.

It's a shame Microsoft don't follow that philosophy, rather than churning out turd after turd.

Re:Nice astroturfing (0)

CollinRSL (1448567) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384789)

Yes, they sold over 140 million PS2s and 105 million PS1s. Still have my first year PS2 working perfectly although a bit beat up and dusty. Only had to do single DVD drive lens adjustment a couple years ago. Same thing my Nintendo consoles.

It's shameful Microsoft put out such a defective and poorly designed console with the 360. They knew they were failing like crazy before the system launched and they went ahead and tried to deny it for over a year before finally having to spend the 1.1 billion on RRoD repairs.

It is ironic that some fanboy tried to use the astroturfing accusation. Microsoft was actually paying a company to have people sit around in gaming forums to do damage control over the RRoD issue. One of the people they were paying finally came clean on neogaf a year or so ago.

Vista, post SP1, though has turned out to be a fantastic OS. Too bad Microsoft is wasting their time with this Xbox fiasco and letting PC gaming die.

   

Re:Nice astroturfing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385797)

"Microsoft was actually paying a company to have people sit around in gaming forums to do damage control over the RRoD issue. One of the people they were paying finally came clean on neogaf a year or so ago."

Got a link for that, I would love to read about it. It's well known that Micorosoft have at least 3 companies dedicated for viral marketing spreading hate towards to the competition, and bigging up their own products.

Too bad there are too many dumb Americans that fall for it.

Microsoft Neogaf Astroturfing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26387111)

It's been a while. Obviously after Microsoft was forced to admit to the RRoD fiasco there was little point in paying people to sit around parroting the "less than 3 percent which is actually pretty good compared to industry averages" or something very close to that talking point.

The guy ended up getting a tag making fun of him being a paid for Microsoft astroturfer and he took on a 'golly, I'm just a regular guy tone'. I don't know if he still actively posts.

Absolutely disgusting, but neogaf is owned/run by at least one Microsoft employee so just getting a tag was all that happened. Hard to imagine if Sony was stupid enough to pay people to sit around in forums doing damage control and a guy admitted it on neogaf and what would have happened with the Microsoft guy or guys running the site.

Re:Nice astroturfing (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385063)

Godwin...

The Nazi's built the best, but fewer, military equipement during WWII, however, the US built TONS of junk... who won?

It's all just business, and im not necessarily saying its right.

Re:Nice astroturfing (1)

PingSpike (947548) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386759)

Are you saying the US was the Zerg of WWII?

Re:Nice astroturfing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26387151)

No, that would be the Russians. The Nazis were the Protoss and the western allies the Terrans. (Posting AC because of the sheer embarassment at even thinking about this)

Re:Nice astroturfing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386775)

I hate to be dense, but how does that give it away? Is "Home" not out yet?

You Fool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384639)

You've just attracted every single Xbot on Slashdot to this thread...

Ze goggles ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384537)

... they do something?

Re:Ze goggles ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386987)

Still using glasses? Nowadays everybody uses austostereoscopic screens (and holographic ones in a few years).

As a result, (1)

psnyder (1326089) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384623)

Playstation 3 cries in a corner. Parents sue for therapy bills.

The 3D affect was amazing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384647)

Were you able to see better after using the 3D Playstation? Did you gain an ability to see in 4 dimensions?

Please, tell us how you were affected by this new Playstation!

3D rootkits? 1st time I heard about em! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26384809)

Go Sony go go go!

Buy some Sony stock today, bitches!

Hang on... (4, Insightful)

ItsColdOverHere (928704) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384839)

So is it just me or does this bear a striking resemblance to Nvidia's recent demo of shutter glasses combined with a 120Hz HDTV. To me the black glasses are a dead giveaway.

As far as the "any source" part is concerned, let's not be silly here, you need concrete depth information. Sure our brains can infer this information but the sheer processing grunt required for a computer to do this means it will not be done any time soon at least not in realtime on full motion video.

I am embarrassed for Ars Technica and more than a little disappointed.

Re:Hang on... (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385101)

As far as the "any source" part is concerned, let's not be silly here, you need concrete depth information. Sure our brains can infer this information but the sheer processing grunt required for a computer to do this means it will not be done any time soon at least not in realtime on full motion video.

Maybe they meant "any game" which is how it works, for example, on a PC with LCD shutter goggles.

Nice to see that technology is rolling back around to the Sega Master System, though.

Maybe next they will use Vectrex technology to make black and white TVs display color :P

Re:Hang on... (1)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385469)

Given that they are talking about 3D gaming on the playstation, surely it's obvious that "any source" refers to games, rather than some DVD movie.

Re:Hang on... (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386817)

Given that they are talking about 3D gaming on the playstation, surely it's obvious that "any source" refers to games, rather than some DVD movie.

The headline Slashdot gave to this article is "Sony Teases 3D Playstation 3". There's no indication there that the subject refers exclusively to games, as the PS3 is not just a game console but also a Blu-Ray player, DVD player, and networkable media center.

Re:Hang on... (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385825)

That's a very good astute observation. When you think about it, the PS3 does have an nVidia RSX 'Reality Synthesizer' under the hood. Perhaps this is nVidia's technology being licensed to Sony given their previous partnership? The plot thickens!

Re:Hang on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385935)

RSX aka geforce 7800.. no big conspiracy, this is a straight-up port by nvidia of their recently announced faux-3d tech (or perhaps the other way around.. sony commissioned them to develop it for the PS3, and then they ported it back to the PC).

Re:Hang on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385973)

Hilarious!

Another moron who gets his fanboy bullshit the idiotic PC devs over at beyond3d...

How to loose friends and alienate people (1)

BarneyL (578636) | more than 5 years ago | (#26384953)

1) Come last in the present generation by releasing the most expensive console.
2) Release a console in the next generation that requires everyone to buy a new TV to support it.
3) ???????
4) Profit!

Re:How to loose friends and alienate people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385461)

I'm looking for some loose friends ...

Re:How to loose friends and alienate people (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386463)

2) Release a console in the next generation that requires everyone to buy a new TV to support it.

Are you referring to the need to buy an HD display in order to actually watch HD content in... you know... HD, or are you implying that for some reason you need a new TV to watch 3-D content?

If it is the former - DUH! Same way you can SEE color movies on a black and white TV, you can watch HD content on a regular TV.
But same way a black and white won't show you colors - non HD TV won't really show you that HD everyone is talking about. Particularly the Joneses from across the street.

And if it is the later - unless it is a hologram, 3-D is in fooling the eyes and the mind.
So, its usually just the glasses and different way of recording/preparing the video. Same TV.
Again... you could watch it even on your old, non HD TV. Only it won't look as good.

Re:How to loose friends and alienate people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26387253)

If they're using nVidia's solution it appears to require a 120Hz display. (Of course, you can do the same thing with a 60Hz display technically, but some people didn't like the flicker of halving that to 30Hz, so it appears this generation is locked to 120.)

Re:How to loose friends and alienate people (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386611)

When every member of your board of directors lives on an island full of obsessive technophiles, it's hard to get them to understand that not everyone in the world wants to spend all their money buying new TV's and the latest fad gadgets every year.

this latest 3d craze will blow over (0, Troll)

lxs (131946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385161)

and it will return around 2018.

Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385363)

326@ [xkcd.com]

Rootkit teaser? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385537)

DO NOT WANT! Fuck sony!

Anonymous Howard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386019)

If they were shutter glasses, wouldn't they need a cord to coordinate with the monitor? And waving your hand in front of them would show a strobe effect.

Why do people hate Sony so much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386025)

I know they suck for:
- propereitery media
- rootkit

On the other hand:
- they have made great products like the walkman, ps1, ps2
- they take risks e.g. betamax and lose money but why the ridicule. would you rathe companies don't do this?
- I don't think people mean it when they say they cannot see the difference between DVD and Blu ray movies. I certainly do on a 720p TV and I am no videophile
- We all hate sony for the root kit and drm, but I am sure a lot of people here have iPod's and use Windows as a lot of people here seem to love Netflix and their 360's

Re:Why do people hate Sony so much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26387187)

Because Sony is not Microsoft or Apple. Those two companies are allowed to do all sorts of evil and nasty things because they are "cool" and have a LOT of paid grassroots posters on Slashdot.

Cool! (1)

Daswolfen (1277224) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386101)

Now, the Playstation 3 can suck in more than one dimension!

See Sony fail in 3 D I M E N S I O N S!! (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386123)

Seriously, anything that can get some more decent exclusives for Sony is a good thing. I bought my PS3 two years ago hoping for a lot. And so far I've used it mostly as a blu-ray player only. Metal Gear Solid 4 was good, as was Warhawk (Little Big Planet is supposedly cool too, but I haven't played it). But, other than that, it's mostly ports of games that end up looking and playing better on the cheaper Xbox 360 (and it doesn't help that I like Xbox Live and the Xbox controller better too). As a big fan of Second Life, I even had high hopes for Playstation Home. But even that ended up being a huge disappointment.

Re:See Sony fail in 3 D I M E N S I O N S!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26387633)

I had higher hopes than have been borne out, but Valkyrian Battlefield is a system-seller at current prices, and while Famitsu didn't seem crazy about White Knight Legend, it's been selling well. Don't have my copy yet, so I can't comment personally. There are other good games out there, a nontrivial portion of which are exclusive

Still waiting for the team behind Ico and Wander and the Colossus to release their new project.

Real D (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386175)

It seems to me that it's something similar to the Real D technology [wikipedia.org] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_D_Cinema [wikipedia.org] ).

3D is all well and good but... (1)

theillien2 (1426175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26387399)

...if they continue to make their price point so high they aren't going to win over many outside of the hardcore gaming circles.

Only Three? (5, Funny)

scjohnno (1370701) | more than 5 years ago | (#26387409)

In 2006 Ken Kutaragi proclaimed that with the PS3 came "4D gaming". It seems that his retirement from Sony in August 2007 has stripped the PS3 of 2 entire dimensions. Sony engineers have only now been able to recover one of the lost dimensions via the use of specialised goggles, and it is not clear if the PS3 will ever return to 4D status.

When asked for comment, Mr Kutaragi noted that "Dimensions are but an illusion. Inside all of our souls is the true energy of dimensionality," before deep-throating the microphone and phasing back into the universe from whence he came.

LOL, Retarded Xbots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26387509)

Wow, are you not only an idiot. You're an unfunny idiot.

Let me guess you were one of those retards who sat around last gen trying to claim Sony stated the PS2 would have "Toy Story" level of graphics. When in reality it was Microsoft who made that moronic claim.

4D was nothing but a little quip that was poorly translated from Japanese in reference to persistent 3D online worlds that change over time.

But, LOL!, the liddle fanboy is out on the Net TOTALLY OWNING SONY about something no one gives a shit about. What a fucking loser.

Re:LOL, Retarded Xbots (1)

scjohnno (1370701) | more than 5 years ago | (#26387685)

Haha, I certainly didn't expect this. Is this common?
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