Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Palm Announces Killer New Phone

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the j-phone dept.

Cellphones 617

Barence writes "At CES, Palm announced what promises to be the product that finally matches and even betters the Apple iPhone, and certainly looks to be the most important product announced at this year's Consumer Electronics Show. It's called the Palm Pre and it's based on a completely new operating system, called Palm webOS. Its key specs include a 3.1in 320x 480 touchscreen, 8GB of storage, UMTS HDSPA support (in the UK version of the phone), 802.11b/g WLAN, Bluetooth, and GPS. It also includes a slide-out Qwerty keyboard, 3.5mm headphone jack, and what Palm described as the 'fastest ever' Texas Instruments OMAP processor."

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

3.5 mm? o.o (3, Funny)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385457)

Ooh, I can use it as an actual music player now :D

Now, if I could just *afford* it...

I hate being in college sometimes.

Re:3.5 mm? o.o (5, Funny)

RManning (544016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386167)

I hate being in college sometimes.

Soon you'll be saying: "I hate paying off college sometimes." :)

How many iPhone killers is that? (4, Insightful)

danaris (525051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385465)

Thus far, I have yet to see an "iPhone killer" do anything of the sort.

If Palm wants to do so, they're going to have to do everything the iPhone does and do it better. That means the interface and the integration, as well. The past decade of iPod dominance has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that neither a laundry list of features nor a very appealing price can compete with cool factor and a really nice user experience.

Dan Aris

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385501)

If they want a killer phone... just add a gun in it :D

or use old sony battery

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385515)

Uh... Who said anything about an iPhone killer?

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1)

danaris (525051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385553)

Uh... Who said anything about an iPhone killer?

The submitter.

Did you even read the first line of the summary?

Dan Aris

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (0, Offtopic)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385723)

You know, you'd seem cooler if you signed your posts

Da Naris.

Who da Naris? You da Naris!

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (0, Troll)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385517)

Yeah, why would this be better? Unless it's open it's crap. I will just wait for more android/openmoko phones.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (3, Informative)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385583)

Older Palm OS phones are pretty open, as far as apps go. Can put pretty much anything on there.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1)

nicolas.kassis (875270) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385821)

but can I turn it into a guidance system for my driverless car?

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386053)

But that can be done on WinCE and Symbian devices to I guess? Maybe it's just that iPhone suck then.

But something very hackable with new menues, mediaplayers and future development for years would be cool.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385547)

Who said it was an iPhone killer? In terms of hardware, the phone is very nice - the OMAP 3430 is much nicer than the iPhone chip, and supports OpenGL ES 2 (the iPhone only supports 1.1). In terms of software, who knows. The preview sounds promising, but I doubt Palm have as nice developer tools as Apple, although they may well have a less hostile set of T&Cs for using them.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385773)

The CPU can support OpenGL ES 2, but the article doesn't mention that at all. Is there confirmation of that webOS will integrate this and expose it to the developer?

I'm interested because if this is so then it's the one common framework across the iPhone, Android, and then webOS.

I presume you meant GPU? (1)

N Monkey (313423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386009)

The CPU can support OpenGL ES 2, but the article doesn't mention that at all.

I guess you meant GPU rather than CPU. 8-D

It would certainly put it ahead of the iphone since its GPU only supports OpenGL ES 1.1.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385887)

It dont matter. Palm pissed off all smartphone owners with their crap that was the 600,650,680 and the 700. I'm done with their low grade dog food phones that last 1 year MAX.

They can make the perfect phone and most people will not buy it as the Treo line has a bad rep that will haunt it until death.

I just wish the G1 was actually built decently. I'd love a unlocked android phone, but they feel like they are plastic toys that will break. Android I think is the only thing with potential to kill the iPhone, if they put it in some decent hardware.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (4, Interesting)

iserlohn (49556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386143)

I would agree with you, only that I have a G1 now. The only thing the kept me from getting one before was the poor appearance from pictures. On daily use, however, I've found the build quality and the hardware itself is good and not toy-ish at all. If it came with a glossy black front and a chrome back then it would be even better, but you have to consider the number people putting rubber gimp masks on their iPhone to protect their little precious from getting hurt, so what's the point?

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (2, Interesting)

IceCreamGuy (904648) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386035)

but I doubt Palm have as nice developer tools as Apple

From Ars:

Any web developer can use CSS, HTML, and JavaScript to develop applications for the OS; there are no new languages to learn

I'm no developer, but can't you just pick your favorite IDE and go to town with that? I would imagine there'll even be some devs who just use Nano or Notepad.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (4, Interesting)

samkass (174571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386139)

Funny, when Apple announced that you could develop on the iPhone with CSS, HTML, and JavaScript from day 1, developers revolted and demanded a "real" SDK. It will be interesting to see how that goes for Palm.

Developer Friendly...Apple?!? Joking, Right? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386057)

"but I doubt Palm have as nice developer tools as Apple"

You mean where you are forced to buy an otherwise worthless but overpriced Mac just to do development on. And use a language no one but Apple uses instead of industry standards like Java, Javascript, etc that everyone already has years of experience with.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (0)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385561)

I can say that it's just one more "iPhone killer", though I think it's a little bit late.

If the battery is replaceable then I could give it chance, but the now crowded smart phone market does not help matters for Palm.

Ohh wait, the Asians are yet to spit out their knock offs and once they do, all players will struggle big time.

From the TFA (5, Informative)

denzacar (181829) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385655)

For example, Duarte cattily said: "By popular demand we've allowed you to remove the back and replace the battery," which was greeted with much enthusiasm from the largely American crowd.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385891)

Have yet to spit out their knock offs? That machine has been up and churning out knock offs for a while now. Just do a Google search for iPhone clone and check out all of them, it's insane.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (2, Informative)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386165)

Battery is user replaceable according to the article.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (5, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385635)

Chances are if they come too close to be an iPhone killer they are using some of apples patents.

While I do like seeing competition for the iPhone and iPod, It seems that a lot of people seem to miss the little details that Apple likes to put in its product, that makes it that much better.

For example I will use OS X and Ubuntu with AWN. They both have a fancy dock. AWN has way more features then the Mac OS X Dock. However it isn't really that usable. Things such as if you run a new app. I want to right click the running application and say keep on dock. Or just being able to drag and drop an App into awn from your file system browser... And get the correct Icon. Being able to group all open windows of the same application together. I am not talking about eyecandy, (like the OS X animations when you zoom in) but actual usability that people tend to miss when trying to copy the idea.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (0, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385955)

I am not talking about eyecandy, (like the OS X animations when you zoom in) but actual usability that people tend to miss when trying to copy the idea.

The OSX dock is actually fucking retarded, because icons will appear under it, and the only way to get them is to lasso them AND ANOTHER ICON and then drag both of them.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386095)

... or turn on auto hide for the dock or move it.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386149)

That has never happened to me, in 8 years of using OS X. I am not saying it isn't a problem, but it seems like a rare bug to me. There are bugs then there are usability issues.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (5, Insightful)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385757)

If Palm wants to do so, they're going to have to do everything the iPhone does and do it better.

This is an unfair requirement - the Iphone after all doesn't do everything that every other phone does, after all! Missing features are accepted as "not something I'd need" or hand-waved away as "Grumpy featurism". So the same should be true of the Palm - it's okay to miss features, as not everyone may need every feature. As long as it just works, that's all that matters. It's the double standard - Apple products are okay as long as they have a "cool factor" (your words, not mine), but other products are held to some impossible standard of "must be able to do everything that any other phone can do, and more".

The only reason there's yet to be an Iphone killer is the same reason that there isn't a Nokia killer or a Motorola killer - no phone company is in a dominant position (and certainly not Apple - not even close I'm afraid), and no company has yet to produce a "killer" phone to put them in the dominant position.

The past decade of iPod dominance has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that neither a laundry list of features nor a very appealing price can compete with cool factor and a really nice user experience.

Ipod, yes. We're talking about a different market here.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386059)

I think you are confused. By stating "If Palm wants to do so, they're going to have to do everything the iPhone does and do it better." I believe danaris was referring to the fact that if you want to compete directly with a product, you should do what it does and do it better. In addition, I might add that a ___-killer should do something ___ does not do, and do it rather well.

Further, The only reason there's yet to be an Iphone killer is the same reason that there isn't a Nokia killer or a Motorola killer is an incorrect statment. That's like comparing Apples to Oranges (NPI). To say Nokia Killer or Motorola Killer, you would need to say Apple killer not iPhone. However this product is not meant to "kill" Apple as a whole, but a product they produce, the iPhone. If you said no one has made a Nokia N95 killer or a Motorola RAZR killer, then that would be a better comparison.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (4, Insightful)

bytethese (1372715) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386083)

I think you are confused. By stating "If Palm wants to do so, they're going to have to do everything the iPhone does and do it better." I believe danaris was referring to the fact that if you want to compete directly with a product, you should do what it does and do it better. In addition, I might add that a ___-killer should do something ___ does not do, and do it rather well. Further, The only reason there's yet to be an Iphone killer is the same reason that there isn't a Nokia killer or a Motorola killer is an incorrect statment. That's like comparing Apples to Oranges (NPI). To say Nokia Killer or Motorola Killer, you would need to say Apple killer not iPhone. However this product is not meant to "kill" Apple as a whole, but a product they produce, the iPhone. If you said no one has made a Nokia N95 killer or a Motorola RAZR killer, then that would be a better comparison.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385827)

The past decade of iPod dominance has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that neither a laundry list of features nor a very appealing price can compete with cool factor and a really nice user experience.

You left out "insanely zealous fan base willing to pay twice as much for a shorter laundry list and more vendor lockdown than half a dozen competitors".

You want to know why the iPhone didn't die a quick and merciless death in the marketplace? The little iconic logo in the corner. Nothing more.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386089)

hmm, i really need to have a look at that macheads documentary...

altho, the "imac" book was a bothersome enough read (come on, the layout was something of a badly maintained scrap book).

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (5, Insightful)

Simon Brooke (45012) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385865)

Thus far, I have yet to see an "iPhone killer" do anything of the sort.

If Palm wants to do so, they're going to have to do everything the iPhone does and do it better. That means the interface and the integration, as well.

The device has a keyboard. It isn't a good keyboard, but even so it's a whole lot better than the keyboard on the iPhone - and the lack of a keyboard is a significant part of the reason I don't have an iPhone. The contacts management software which was demo'ed is way better than the iPhone's. And if, as claimed, the device has good Microsoft Exchange support, then for many commercial users it's one better than the iPhone on that count as well.

Sure, it isn't a better music player. It may not be a better movie viewer. But the iPhone, despite being very pretty, isn't actually a very good telephone - contacts management is poor, reception is poor, battery life isn't good, sound quality is so-so. It's a great phone for people who don't use a mobile phone for their work - but most people do.

Of course, the iPhone's killer app is the iTunes store. For non-technical users it is quite simply the easiest way to locate, buy and install software to the phone. Palm (and Google and RIM and Microsoft) have to equal that, and it will not be easy.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (3, Informative)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386129)

Yep, battery life on the iPhone is awful...
iPhone standby - 300 hours, talk - 5 hours 3G or 10 2G
Blackberry storm standby â" 300 hours, talk - 5.5 hours 3G or 6 2G
Nokia n96 standby 200 hours, talk - 2.7 hours 3G, 4 hours 2G
G1 standby â" 200 hours, talk - 5.5 hours 3G or 6 2G

Looks like the iPhone wins on every count.

The keyboard is a matter of opinion, personally, I'd rather type on an iPhone keyboard than any smartphone keyboard I've used.

The reception on the iPhone is excellent, and the problems in america with reception were quickly identified as being AT&T's fault (their 3G network wasn't up to having double the amount of data transfered over it).

Palm didn't say that (5, Insightful)

ConfusedVorlon (657247) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385949)

to be fair to palm, they have been very careful about avoiding the term 'iPhone killer'

From Newsweek:
>>>
So: is it an iPhone killer? McNamee wishes people wouldn't ask that question. "Everyone in the cell-phone business has missed the point. They're all trying to make an iPhone killer. I don't want to compete with Apple. Why the hell would you want to get in the way of that machine? I look at the guys who are trying to compete with Apple and I think, Are you guys crazy? I just want to learn from Apple's experience."
>>>

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (5, Insightful)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385961)

What I find disturbing is that people consider this to be "the most important product announced at this year's Consumer Electronics Show." When as explained in the article, it's something that's as good as a product that's already been on the market for two years.

There seems to be an unhealthy amount of Apple hate in that statement - either the iPhone is a good product and has been out for 2 years, making this unimpressive (though good that there's competition); or the iPhone is an awful product, and this being "just as good" is thoroughly unimpressive!

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (5, Funny)

need4mospd (1146215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386015)

Thus far, I have yet to see an "iPhone killer" do anything of the sort.

My Jitterbug disagrees.

Your what now? (-1)

danaris (525051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386079)

Thus far, I have yet to see an "iPhone killer" do anything of the sort.

My Jitterbug disagrees.

Since I not only still see the iPhone being tremendously successful, but have never even heard of the Jitterbug (or at least can't recall having heard of it), I'm going to have to say it, too, has failed to kill the iPhone.

Dan Aris

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386047)

Yeah, and I don't get this:

Palm announced what promises to be the product that finally matches and even betters the Apple iPhone

What does that even mean? Match and better the iPhone in what sense? Will it be smaller/lighter, have a brighter screen, better apps, better integration with the largest music retailer in the US? Will it be easier to use and more responsive? Give me something.

I see in the article that it will be "more than a bundle of apps bolted on top of a phone", and have support for Exchange and Facebook. Nothing really new there. It seems to me like this "news story" amounts to an ad for an unreleased product.

On the other hand, it's nice to hear Palm is finally maybe going to actually release a new OS. WebOS is a stupid name, but the videos make it look ok.

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386063)

im continually surprised how fast the iphone became the (media agreed) watermark for mobile phones.

apple, the company that can do nothing wrong...

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (2, Interesting)

julesh (229690) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386099)

If Palm wants to do so, they're going to have to do everything the iPhone does and do it better. That means the interface and the integration, as well.

Of course, Palm are the long-standing masters of handheld UI and desktop integration. For a long time, nothing could beat the Palm handhelds for simplicity and effectiveness of UI, and their desktop software integrated well with most popular desktop productivity software.

True, they've lagged behind a lot recently, but it'll be interesting to see what they've come up with anyway.

What there need to be an iPhone killer? (5, Insightful)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386113)

That would be a sensible aim if the iPhone was the market leader.

Now, show us some reference where the iPhone is shown to be leading the market.

From Nokia's Q3 report:

"Nokia estimated mobile device market share of 38%, down from 39% in Q3 2007 and down from 40%
in Q2 2008."

and later

"NOKIA MOBILE DEVICE VOLUME BY GEOGRAPHIC AREA (million units) Q3/2008 Q3/2007 YoY
Change Q2/2008 QoQ
Change
Europe 27.4 29.0 -5.5% 27.1 1.1%
Middle East & Africa 21.5 19.3 11.4% 21.1 1.9%
Greater China 19.8 18.9 4.8% 17.6 12.5%
Asia-Pacific 33.6 29.5 13.9% 36.4 -7.7%
North America 4.5 5.4 -16.7% 4.5 0.0%
Latin America 11.0 9.6 14.6% 15.3 -28.1%
Total 117.8 111.7 5.5% 122.0 -3.4%
"

From Apple's 2008 Q4 report: "Quarterly iPhone units sold were 6,892,000"

So Nokia is selling 117 million units, Apple is selling 7 million.

According to Nokia's report the global market for the period was 300 million units.

Again, why do we need to kill the iPhone?

That the iPhone is mentioned as the aim to be killed is a testament to the marketing skills of Apple.

The general public is not that stupid: we don't want network lockin (not in Europe, not in East Asia, the biggest mobile markets) and people are clearly finding the iPhone deals extortionate.

Certainly other companies need to do something about the mindshare that Apple is enjoying now, but I wonder how important that is going to be once Steve Jobs leaves Apple. His marketing based vision of the company will be difficult to be push by somebody that is not as charismatic as him (he has been described as a cult leader, which is not far from the truth).

Re:How many iPhone killers is that? (2, Interesting)

HardCase (14757) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386135)

Well, it may not be an iPhone killer, but it's also not going to be a Blackberry killer, either. It's just going to be another touchscreen phone that's lost in a sea of touchscreen phones that aren't made by Apple or RIM. After going through the personal agony of owning a few Palm devices (pre-Treo), I, like many others, have given up on Palm. They're big on talk, but that's about it.

On the other hand, since my expectations are pretty damn low, I guess they shouldn't have too much trouble meeting them.

killer phone (4, Funny)

FireStormZ (1315639) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385467)

quick its coming right at us /ned

here we go again (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385477)

why is everything a labeled a "x" killer. very, very few products kill their competition and usually end end up co-existing.

retarded.

Two important points ... (4, Funny)

daveime (1253762) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385481)

1 - Is is shiny ?

2 - Will it blend ?

Re:Two important points ... (2, Funny)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386121)

The pictures look shiny... only one test left..

*Finally* matches/betters the iPhone? (5, Insightful)

VShael (62735) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385531)

There have been plenty of phones on the world market better than the iPhone for some time now.
The iPhone wasn't even the best phone in the world when it came out.

Re:*Finally* matches/betters the iPhone? (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385617)

hear hear.
the currently best pda phone is imho htc touch hd.

Re:*Finally* matches/betters the iPhone? (1, Insightful)

DrDitto (962751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385645)

Like what? The Nokia N95? The iPhone has beautiful industrial design, a great touchscreen, and an intuitive, polished OS (unlike Symbian). And I don't even own one! I have an Android G1 phone since I'm a T-mobile customer. Android is pretty nice, but it is not quite up to the polish of the iPhone.

If the world market was cornered with wonderful products, then you would see companies like Google and Apple developing Android and iPhones. They see opportunity. I agree.

Re:*Finally* matches/betters the iPhone? (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385873)

We could endlessly debate what we think is better, but the point is that "killer" usually refers to market share, and not what some people on a forum think is best. One might refer to making an Ipod killer, because the Ipod is currently the dominant mp3 player - it doesn't matter whether one thinks the Ipod is good or not. But this isn't true of the Iphone - you could think its the best phone in existence, but one refers to an "X killer" to refer to wiping it out in the market place. If Palm are settling themselves on only comparing themselves to the Iphone's market share, then they're never going to be a major player anyway.

Otherwise, you might as well get people referring to new computers as a potential "Amiga killer", because they like Amigas, and are waiting for something better to come along.

Re:*Finally* matches/betters the iPhone? (5, Interesting)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385659)

I am in full agreement. Sure, the Iphone is a nice phone, but it's just one of many. To be fair, the fault is with PC Pro rather than Slashdot who are just quoting this nonsensical statement ("finally matches and even betters the Apple iPhone").

Although in a way, it's a cunning statement - whilst fans would want to accept PC Pro's belief that the Iphone is the Best Phone Ever, they can't agree with this statement without admitting that the Palm is better than the Iphone. For the rest of us, who have been using phones long before the Iphone joined the market late, we'll just ignore the statement and judge the Palm against the market as a whole.

Re:*Finally* matches/betters the iPhone? (1)

nicolas.kassis (875270) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385947)

But Palm doesn't have the brand that apple does so it won't get popular. Creative Xen is an example. More features but no brand.

Re:*Finally* matches/betters the iPhone? (5, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386189)

Palm built a brand once. Then they squandered it. They could build it again.

Apple went through the same pattern.

No GSM support in the US? (3, Insightful)

thammoud (193905) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385541)

Only Sprint. I don't think switching will even be a consideration for a lot of people. Palm always finds a way to screw themselves. Too bad, looks like a great phone.

Re:No GSM support in the US? (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385633)

very true.. we use at&t not by choice but rather fucntion.. they are the largest GSM provider in the US.. and the rest of the world is GSM.. meaning one phone works just about every where..

from a biz perspective.. any company that has people travel overseas this isn't even an option..

truely screwing them selves

Re:No GSM support in the US? (2, Informative)

Enry (630) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385911)

Verizon has at least one phone (Blackberry 8830) that works on both CDMA and GSM.

Re:No GSM support in the US? (1)

danaris (525051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386001)

My wife has a Mototola Z6c (I think that's the model, anyway) that's marketed as being a worldphone, because it does Verizon CDMA and GSM, with a slot for a SIM card. She uses it in China, and it works great.

But it would be greater if we didn't have to specifically go looking for a special phone so she can use it in China and at home...

Dan Aris

Re:No GSM support in the US? (2)

Rizz (33500) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386137)

The Sprint Simply Everything line of plans are absolutely fantastic and well priced. All Sprint has needed was a phone to match (ala a Instinct with a real web browser). Maybe this is it?

Re:No GSM support in the US? (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386177)

I noticed that. I'm pretty excited for this phone (especially after I tried and returned a 3G iPhone), but until it's a GSM phone I won't touch it.

Looks cool, but... (3, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385555)

It'll probably be too little, too late. Palm could have been the superpower in this area by building a new OS based on BeOS when they bought Be's assets. In fact, if they had forked BeOS by creating a proprietary new mobile OS for their products and ditching the original BeOS as a BSD-licensed product, they could have put both Microsoft and Apple on the defensive in the operating system market.

Re:Looks cool, but... (3, Insightful)

yttrstein (891553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385815)

BeOS lost the OS wars long before Palm bought it. They lost by doing the worst thing that they could have possibly ever done:

They made a lightning fast, small, good looking, stable, awe-inspiring operating system that didn't actually run anything useful.

Re:Looks cool, but... (1)

modulo (172960) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386029)

What you are talking about (a new OS based on BeOS) is Cobalt, which nobody wanted, not even Palm.

BeOS had some nice ideas, but if it was really that great they wouldn't have gone out of business.

Case in point: it was supposed to be so great with video, but personally, on a PIII 750, I found that mplayer on Linux performed a lot better than VideoLAN on BeOS. If the situation was reversed, I would have bought it. Alas.

Apple showed it is never too late. (3, Insightful)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386195)

Apple was in the doldrums before Steve Jobs' come back.

Microsoft invested money on them for crying out loud.

Palm has a brand recognition that can be put to good use, if they come with a good product they could become big players again. Openness is key, they should remember how quickly Palm became ubiquitous thanks to the easy access to development tools.

Palm can't compete with appstore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385585)

The phone could very well be TWICE as good as the iphone, but it will not be a serious competitor because it doesn't have the appstore and the programs in it.

Re:Palm can't compete with appstore (1)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385653)

No, it just has thousands of apps available online (it *can* run older Palm apps, right?), and it's trivial to make an appstore with that. Hell, there's one on my Centro; granted, it's not by Palm, but it's there.

ipod to zune and iphone to Palm's killer new phone (2, Funny)

utahraptor (703433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385615)

I love analogies.

Killer phone (0)

Huntr (951770) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385627)

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

WebOS -- "WEB"-OS (5, Interesting)

wsidegangstarr (981592) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385661)

The OS is the only real potential gamechanger here, and I'm not so sure about it. Engadget( http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm-announces-web-os-platform/ [engadget.com] ) claims that WebOS is designed to be simple for programmers and is based on HTML, XML, and CSS. Don't know about you, but I just can't wait for another feature limited mobile OS. Also, the prospect of a data breach on an OS designed around a write-up language and online functionality ruins my day.

Re:WebOS -- "WEB"-OS (2, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385769)

WebOS is designed to be simple for programmers and is based on HTML, XML, and CSS.

Next!

Re:WebOS -- "WEB"-OS (2, Interesting)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385943)

Konfabulator and Dashboard widgets are based on html/xml, css, and javascript, too. It doesn't need to be limited or require internet access.

Killer Fast Phone (4, Funny)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385687)

"Our new Palm phone will be faster than ever, now that we've switched over to Reiser4!"

Let's get serious. (1)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385733)

What we really need is an MS Exchange killer app.

Re:Let's get serious. (2, Informative)

nicolas.kassis (875270) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386007)

Zimbra

From the Story (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385753)

"Our touch is special, it goes beyond the screen"

About time. Something to "tickle your fancy," if you will.

Can Palm do anything right? (5, Interesting)

Paul Carver (4555) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385775)

I absolutely loved my Palm Pilot Pro and gladly paid for the Palm III upgrade module for it. I eagerly bought a Palm V but I was disappointed when I got a Tungsten E and even more disappointed to discover that the 802.11 add in card simply wouldn't work with the Tungsten E.

My Palm TX is a huge disappointment and I would have returned it (or never bought it in the first place) except that I have a major need for one specific specialized application that uses 802.11.

I've heard awful things from people with Palm based phones.

Palm has bungled one generation after another. I've just lost any confidence in them being able to do anything competent.

Before we know if this is a joke or not.... (1, Insightful)

linuxpng (314861) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385795)

What Palm OS does it run? If it's the same thing my treo 650 ran, it's a joke.

Re:Before we know if this is a joke or not.... (1)

linuxpng (314861) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385849)

NM, I see right in the summary. I'm guessing it's still a joke.

This could save Palm (4, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385801)

Support Verizon, and I'll be the first in line for this. Why is it that we never get any love from the phone manufacturers?

I don't think it's *quite* on the level of the iPhone, though it certainly seems to have come the closest of any thus far. The UI looks a lot nicer than Android, and the hardware nicer than the iPhone (physical keyboard FTW).

As long as Palm make the price reasonable, and keep the application interface as open as possible, they'll sell a ton of these.

Frankly, I'm impressed, given that virtually everyone's been expecting Palm to kick the bucket in the near future.

Re:This could save Palm (1)

IceCreamGuy (904648) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385905)

Support Verizon, and I'll be the first in line for this.

Sorry, Sprint exclusive, at least for launch. I'm right there with you in disappointment about that.

Oh ffs (5, Funny)

Harold Halloway (1047486) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385803)

Can I mod down the original summary? 'Finally'? I've got an Android G1 and it beats the pants off the iPhone.

More detailed links (4, Informative)

IceCreamGuy (904648) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385805)

iPhone killer sure... (1)

macbuzz01 (1074795) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385809)

...but does it run BSD?

The OS is the thing. (1, Funny)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385817)

Really, the OS is the most important part - the Pre is just a platform to run webOS.. and that looks *really* good, at least on paper. It isn't just eye candy, there's a huge amount of innovation in the interface and the way it manages personal information.

If this had been around 12 months ago then perhaps webOS and the Pre would have been a contender, but since then we've seen Android and MS are polishing up their new versions of Windows for this year.

I guess the question is.. would I buy one? The answer is "no". But only because I prefer the 800 pixel wide display of the Nokia E90. I wouldn't refuse one if someone gave one to me though ;)

videos (2, Interesting)

crabbz (986605) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385829)

Some videos of the new platform are up at palmcentral [palminfocenter.com] . The second one shows a live demo. Looks nice.

but can you make phone calls with it? (2, Interesting)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385847)

Can I open it up, punch buttons, and make a phone call? Can I drop it w/o it shattering? Can I lose it, without losing my entire personal identity?

Killer? (2, Interesting)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385853)

I'm a Mac fan, but generally use the best tool I can and I don't have an iPhone or an iPod Touch, so I don't believe I really have a dog in this fight (for the record I have a Blackberry Curve [which is so=so at best], but mainly live in Japan and so have one of last year's au/WIN phones).

But this article's summary reminds of CmdrTaco's famous predictions for the original iPod. I read TFA and the phone pictured there doesn't look like an iPod killer. It doesn't even look like a phone from the last five years - it looks like fat, bulgy little free-with-service American phone from 2000 or 2001.

No one is going to beat Apple on specs. For better or for ill, the company is brilliant at style and presentation and those are huge factors in the iPhone's successes.

Moreover, the iPhone is out NOW and macrumors and other Apple sites are already beginning to rumble with information about the new iPhone software - the iPhone is moving ahead, with that and the App Store and where is this Palm phone?

A cell phone is a status symbol once again and until a good phone matches the iPhone in that arena, it's not going to kill it. I don't expect this Palm phone to, to be sure.

FAIL! (1)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385867)

It's "rounded" and looks like a blimp.

Nothing looks sophisticated or stand out. FAIL!!!!

***

better phones (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385875)

The iPhone is all about the hype. I doubt any phone can match that. From hardware point of view - there are dozens of phones better than iPod. As for software - iPhone is the best on the ease-of-use field but does not at all offer as much variety and flexibility as WinMo based phones.

Phones to look for (better than the palm):
htc touch HD, samsung omnia, asus glaxy7, ericsson x1

Technical details absent (4, Informative)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385893)

I tried for some time last night to sift out Palm Pre details that Slashdot might actually find interesting, but no strong leads.

The PC Mag article was the only one I could find that touches on anything beyond the press release materials from CES:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2338482,00.asp [pcmag.com]

FTA:
* Does it run Linux? Maybe, but only according to rumors.

* Will existing PalmOS apps run on it? Hard to tell from their mangled wording, but probably not. However, it seems like their new WebOS SDK /might/ make it somewhat simple to recompile for the new platform.

So, as a Palm addict, it seems like I still have a long time to try to keep my ailing TX working until I can find a suitable platform to upgrade to. (So far, the main contender for me is the Nokia N810, which runs Linux and actually has a Palm Garnet emulation environment available for it)

Meh. (1)

cyn1c77 (928549) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385895)

Palm's just trying to stay afloat right now with lots of hype. Let's see how good the phone is when it actually gets here... And more importantly, let's see what carriers they tie it to.

Why it will fail (2, Insightful)

kisa2000 (766934) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385897)

1. Mobile phones these days are computing platforms. The reason why Microsoft dominates the desktop market is because the vast majority of software runs on it (hey, Macs are cool too, but they don't have the range of PC software). Apple's iPhone has already claimed that victory - to beat the iPhone, one needs to provide an easy way of uploading software, and, IMHO, a way of verifying the quality of the applications.

2. Apple has the advantage that it could leverage off the existing developer base for the Mac - that is, the development environments aren't completely different. Try releasing any computing platform in which people have to learn *another* darn computer programming framework/language and see how you go. Computer languages take *years* to grow to a critical mass.

3. Every technology marketer is saying "blah killer" at the moment. Can you honestly imagine the Palm marketing executives saying, "our phone is pretty powerful, but we really will have to see if the community adopts it and develops worthwhile applications for it". At the same time, all the little journalist worker bees have to get page hits in this new online news world. "iPhone killer" turns up constantly, because it gets clicks. Your here and I am here aren't we :-)

Thanks but no thanks. (5, Interesting)

handmedowns (628517) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385919)

After purchasing two of Palm's high end smart phones in the past, I've learned my lesson. They *DO NOT* support their phones. As soon as there's even an idea of a newer phone coming out, they drop all support for existing platforms and no more updates are ever seen for yours.

For example, they're currently releasing updates for the Centro series (a $99 phone) but not their 750series (a $500 phone) that are just over a year old. Way to reward your business customers palm.

Palm never got their PalmOS to the point where it (1)

Hohlraum (135212) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385925)

was all that solid. And they had 10 years and 5+ commercial releases to get it right? Now they are starting something completely new? Yeah, sign me right up for that. :/

That's the beauty of FLOSS. It might not be perfect but at least you are paying out of your pocket so some company can test out their software on you.

Re:Palm never got their PalmOS to the point where (2, Informative)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386093)

Wierd. I've had a Palm for years, and it's only ever crashed once, and that was when I was testing out some beta OSS app on it that I thought I might want to use.

Poop On A Stick (0, Troll)

zubikov (1172699) | more than 5 years ago | (#26385995)

Apple can put shit on a stick, brand it with the Apple logo and sell it for $299. Palm is the homeless man on the side of the street eating the shit off the stick.

OMG, Most killer best advertizement EVER SEEN ON S (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26385997)

Lashdot.....

Wtf, be objective, and focus on supplying details instead of creaming yourself.

would you buy a cell phone with NO support? (3, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386049)

I have a T3 and I know a dozen people with palm pilots. If there is ONE thing we can all agree on, it's that palm's support for their product is next to nonexistent. If you have a problem with your palm pilot, you'd better start looking in the various independent forums for help from other palm users. If they can't help you, you're just plain screwed.

I don't care if palm DOES come up with a better product than the iphone, I won't touch it with a 10 ft pole. Right now I am trying to decide whether to ditch my T3 for a touch or for an iPhone, so I can keep notes and have my addressbook on the go. Syncing on my T3 has been iffy at best, and is currently totally nonfunctional unless I want it to breed duplicates and erase data every time I sync, and the palm desktop software hasn't been updated in years.

I know that the touch and iphone will sync flawlessly with my computer, and I won't get that sickening feeling every time I sync it, wondering what it's going to erase this time. I get asked from time to time for help with others' palm pilots, and I hate to give them help because I feel so totally helpless in trying to prevent the thing from self-destructing their contacts. All I can do is make backups continuously throughout the process. The inability to make a backup of the PP directly into its SD card makes initial syncing one of the most dangerous computer tasks I ever have to deal with. I've seen palm desktop sync from an empty computer TO the palm, totally erasing it, on numerous occasions, despite following directions carefully. It's almost random. And once the computer and the palm get sufficiently out of sync, it creates such a mess that you have to wipe one and pray it syncs from the non-empty one to the one you wiped. I can't stand that.

Stay away from palm, please.

Good News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26386067)

Good news, It's a suppository.

Fastest? (3, Funny)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 5 years ago | (#26386073)

and what Palm described as the 'fastest ever' Texas Instruments OMAP processor."

Only if you hurl it from your car window on the freeway at 90 MPH.

Maybe that's where the "killer new phone" comment comes from, too....

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?