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Sony Shows Off Flexible OLED Screens At CES

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the too-bad-she-won't-live dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Sony's stand at CES had a small area set aside for flexible OLED screens, along with three mock-ups of possible OLED devices (including one stunning ultra-portable with no hinge and a single display for both screen and keyboard). There was also a working OLED screen being bent back and forth while playing a video clip. Does this mean roll-up, low-power colour screens will soon hit the market? Not unless OLED prices come down — Sony's stunning XEL-1 OLED TV costs $2,500, but only has an 11in screen ..."

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Sony's new TV. (5, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434519)

...And if you use it to watch pirated movies then it will curl up and die on you!

Re:Sony's new TV. (-1, Troll)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434565)

Well, you could still roll these and stick them up your oversized arse [goatse.cz] instead of jerking off on this forum, you moron!

Re:Sony's new TV. (-1, Offtopic)

Yasz312 (1450685) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434671)

u guys are hilarious -- http://www.jobstaxi.com/ [jobstaxi.com]

Am I the only one who feels... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26434529)

TV technology ->+
TV content -<+

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (3, Insightful)

Peganthyrus (713645) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434809)

TV content stays the same quality; it's your taste that's changing. A five-year-old will love pretty much any trash you put in front of her; a fifty-year-old is either (a) still in love with the same stuff she saw when she was five, or (b) watching on a much more complicated level, and requires far more meaning and technical skill in their content.

The fashion changes, but the target demographic remains the same - gullible people who are easy to convince to spend money.

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (2, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435049)

Hey now, My Mother the Car was a triumph of Shakespearean proportions!

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (4, Funny)

value_added (719364) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435337)

a fifty-year-old is either (a) still in love with the same stuff she saw when she was five, or (b) watching on a much more complicated level, and requires far more meaning and technical skill in their content.

Dear Sir,

I wish to complain in the strongest possible terms about your use of the feminine pronoun "she". Some of my best male friends are 50, and only a few of them are transvestites.

Yours faithfully, Brigadier Sir Charles Arthur Strong (Mrs.)
P.S. That my mother made me wear ribbons in my hair when I was five is nobody's business.

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (2, Funny)

RManning (544016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437147)

Do you watch a lot of Flying Circus?

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (3, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26438633)

TV content stays the same quality; it's your taste that's changing.

TV's content varys considerably, and always has. Even between episodes of the same series; some of the old Star Treks were inspired ("City on the Edge of Forever" comes to mind), while some episodes were downright embarrasing.

In some ways TV content has gotten better since its "golden days". Back in the 1960s nobody would have dreamed of a comedy without a laugh track, while My Name Is Earl and that one doctor comedy has no laugh track. If you need a laugh track, your comedy isn't funny.

When cable was new, HBO was free, cable channels didn't censor, and cable channels didn't show commercials. Now Comedy Central removes all the funny parts from every movie it shows, and A&E cut "swear words" like "ass" and "shit" before breaking for a commercial. And which channel is it that shows movies with two dumbasses talking about the damned movie before and after commercials? What idiot came up with that idea?

And they didn't have those damned logos in the corner, don't get me started on the animated logos!

In many ways TV has gotten better. It's just that in the 1960s you might have three channels, while now you have dozens of channels of pure crap. When ESPN shows poker and pool you know there are too many sports channels. And who are the dimwits who watch "shopping channels?" And why do I have to pay for them?

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (4, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434931)

Have you checked the quality of old TV content lately. It is quite bad and predictable. Just because your getting Old you fail to see that.

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (4, Insightful)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435651)

Not sure why you're modded flamebait - I feel like as I've gotten older there's a lot more TV shows that I actually like. Characters are more complex, shows tend to be more serial than episodic with plotlines extending over the course of a season. Also because there are more channels you get things more tailored to specific tastes. Shows like "Dexter" or "The Shield" or even BSG would not have made it in the 70's or 80's.

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435755)

Don't forget there is a difference of getting older and getting old.
Get older and gaining experience is a good thing.
Getting old and closing your mind to new ideas is a bad thing.

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436395)

> Don't forget there is a difference of getting older and getting old.

This is true. Everybody gets older; not everybody gets old!

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (3, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437997)

I know many close minded young people, and many open minded old people. I know some octogenarians that are so open minded they hire hookers, and some young people so close minded they'd call the cops if they saw somebody smoking a joint.

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (1)

nabsltd (1313397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436513)

Shows like "Dexter" or "The Shield" or even BSG would not have made it in the 70's or 80's.

Except for the change in violence and language, all of these shows would do fine in the 80s.

"Serial" shows were well represented at the Emmy Awards in the 80s:

Even Cheers [imdb.com] and Murphy Brown [imdb.com] had some significant serial nature to the stories. And, the original Battlestar Galactica [imdb.com] also had a decent amount of continuing storylines.

I'm not saying that all these shows are great (or even that I, personally, like most of them), but they are definitely more serial in nature. The sticky point (both then and now) is the fine line the creative staff has to tread where there are continuing stories that keep viewers wanting to come back, but not so much that new viewers are unable to jump in and start watching.

Re:Am I the only one who feels... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26435383)

I bought a new HDTV and I love it, but you see, the key is that less than 30% of what I look at on that TV is "television." Mostly, I use it to watch DVDs and Internet video (hi-def podcasts, hulu.com, etc). These days, it really pays to slide an old laptop into the entertainment center and hook up its video out to the TV, especially if you have a laptop with DVI that can drive HDMI (like all of the Mac laptops).

Several of my friends also own and use TVs but never "watch TV," they just like to rent movies.

Just think of the TV as a monitor, where you control the content, not the television networks.

Do you feel the way I do? (4, Funny)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436807)

TV technology ->+
TV content -<+

What the hell does that even mean?

Clothes (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434557)

Color chaning clothes!

The invisibility cloak is finally on it's way.

Re:Clothes (3, Funny)

Ohio Calvinist (895750) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434753)

Yeah but if an 11 in^2 is $2500 and most folks are 2 m^2 in surface area, it would cost about $17,875 for the displays alone and at that point would be pretty skin tight, more like a leotard than a cloak.

I'd be happy to see an invisible tie so I could wear that and get one over on the man, or randomly turn it from invisible to a disturbing picture for microseconds to mess with friends and co-workers.

Re:Clothes (1)

PearsSoap (1384741) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436711)

randomly turn it from invisible to a disturbing picture for microseconds to mess with friends and co-workers.

OLED response time is 0.1ms according to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] . So, for at least 100 microseconds.

Re:Clothes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26435859)

If only you could cloak that apostrophe you put in ITS for no reason...

Do they come with rootkits? (3, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434615)

I can't buy Sony anything; once bitten, twice shy. Never again will Sony have the chance to fuck me over like that.

along with three mock-ups of possible OLED devices

I.e., lies. But what do you expect from sociopaths who would install rootkits in music CD, especially install rootkits that contain copyrighted FOSS that they have no right to use?

And no, I will NOT let this rest. Sony owes me for the purchase of MS XP (since video drivers were no longer available for 98) and an Audigy sound card, as well as several hours of my time. I can no longer trust Sony and refuse to buy from them, and consider anyone who would be a Sony customer extremely stupid and short sighted.

Not unless OLED prices come down

You can count on it. In five years an OLED screen may well be a couple of bucks.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26434673)

You're one of the more amusing masturbaters around here. Just wanted to say thanks for letting me watch you pleasure yourself so bitterly. Please post more uncyclopedia links so I can feel superior to your weak sense of humor.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (3, Interesting)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434731)

Let me commend you before you get modded troll. Sony is the dickwad of the industry. I love their hardware (earphones in particular, and standalone music systems) but never again will I buy anything from Sony with any type of electronic communications interface. Not even their digital cameras, nor Sony-Ericson telephones.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26434835)

Yeah, because Sony and Sony Ericsson are the same company run by the same people... No?

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435087)

Let me commend you before you get modded troll.

Thank you, I figured I'd be downmodded but that's what happens when you're honest. My karma can take it. It's possible its now "flamebait" mey become "troll" and wind up a +5 insightful or interesting; it's happened to more than one comment.

Any mention of Sony always provokes an extremely angry reaction by me. I want their business to fold and their executives in prison.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

fortyonejb (1116789) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436057)

Now, thats pretty rational, since Sony's initial industries, audio/video hardware was strong and still is to the most part. Its when they grew too big for their own heads that they got sloppy and disgusting. Anything they make other than AV stuff is pure garbage. We buy Sony earbuds because they are top notch, sometimes the best. Their phones, oh lord how they suck. And if these hardware/software amalgamies of suck wasnt bad enough, taking hardware right out leaves them with SOE and Sony Music, two of the most idiotic concepts in the entertainment industry. /rant

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436467)

Sony's reputation is well-deserved but I want to give them credit where it is due. I have the Sony eReader (PRS-505), an eInk book reader. It's a solid piece of hardware and design. Not only does it do the promised job and it well it also possesses un-Sony like qualities:
  • It accepts standard SD cards. (it also has a slot for the Sony proprietary card) No special format or hardware needed.
  • It functions as a USB Mass-media device: no special drivers needed, OS-agnostic. It even behaves as a card-reader for the cards on it.
  • The proprietary format it reads: Doesn't requires DRM (it allows for it), is clean enough that open-source converters exist, and is not required (the device also reads plain text, RTF, and PDF [The recent firmware upgrade does a great deal to improve the PDF handling]).

If Sony made all their products like this, they'd be a stronger force on the market IMNSHO. Sadly, their bookstore website only works with their otherwise-optional Windows-only iTunes wannabe management software, but their bookstore tends to be overpriced and low in selection anyways. Competitors offer books in the Sony format at better prices. Still, this is a remarkable improvement over the standard Sony attitude and I'd love to see it continue.

If you're that worried about corps that play nasty (-1, Troll)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434757)

why are you using Windows the first place? MS is hardly the white knight of the software industry.

Re:If you're that worried about corps that play na (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435309)

I had some old Windows-only games. I run Mandriva dual boot, with networking disabled on the Windows side.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26434773)

You can count on it. In five years an OLED screen may well be a couple of bucks.

But you won't be getting it from Sony. The PS3 is being eaten alive in the market, and pretty much every analyst agrees that it's because it costs twice what its competitors cost.

Sony's response?

They removed PS2 backwards compatibility from the PS3.

So you can bet these OLED TVs from Sony will always cost more than equivalent devices from other manufacturers. And, just like the PS3, come with fewer features than the competitors. (Online support? Xbox 360, check. Wii, check. PS3? Nope. Backwards compatibility? Xbox 360, Wii. Not PS3. Innovative downloadable titles? Xbox 360 with XNA, Wii with WiiWare. PS3? Nothing.)

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26435303)

Backwards compatibility? Xbox 360, Wii. Not PS3.

With XBox theres only a 51% chance that any random XBox game will work in the 360. Whereas at least with Sony you know all your PS1 games will work, and you'll know if PS2 games work or not based on your console version.

Innovative downloadable titles? Xbox 360 with XNA, Wii with WiiWare. PS3? Nothing.

You should try Echochrome, Edge:Linger In Shadows, PixelJunk Eden or Flow to see some incredible titles available in the PS3 Store.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26437193)

You should try Echochrome, Edge:Linger In Shadows, PixelJunk Eden or Flow to see some incredible titles available in the PS3 Store.

And what do all those have in common? Oh yeah, they're all published by SONY. Pass.

The Xbox 360 and Wii are friendly to indy game companies. The PS3 is not. End of story.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437155)

But you won't be getting it from Sony

Hell no I won't. If twenty five inch Sony OLEDs are a dollar and ten inch Panasonic CRTs are a hundred, I'll buy the ten inch Panasonic, because I wouldn't trust Sony as far as I could throw a Caddilac.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437195)

You can count on it. In five years an OLED screen may well be a couple of bucks.

But you won't be getting it from Sony. The PS3 is being eaten alive in the market, and pretty much every analyst agrees that it's because it costs twice what its competitors cost.

Sony's response?

They removed PS2 backwards compatibility from the PS3.

I wasn't too thrilled about that, or about the fact that they cut the number of USB ports on the machine... But in the end I don't think it was necessarily worth the cost to keep that PS2 hardware in the PS3. If removing PS2 hardware helped them to bring the cost of the PS3 out of the stratosphere (barely) then I think it was worth it.

Backwards compatibility? Xbox 360, Wii. Not PS3.

Now hold on... The 360 supports a limited subset of the original XBox's game library, through software emulation - same as the PS3. (Though I guess some models of PS3 don't even have the software emulation...)

And the PS3 does support PS1 games. That's pretty "backward". :D

Innovative downloadable titles? Xbox 360 with XNA, Wii with WiiWare. PS3? Nothing.)

PS3 has downloadable titles. I guess it all depends on what you consider "innovative".

I guess there's not a downloadable title that I'd say is as enjoyably "innovative" as "World of Goo" on the Wii... But "World of Goo" is kind of the exception in that it's "innovative", downloadable, and fun. LBP is innovative and fun... Street Fighter HD is downloadable and fun (but not innovative)... Mega Man 9 is also downloadable and fun (but not innovative). How "innovative" and fun are, for instance, "Beer Pong" or "Major League Eating"? Some Wiiware is just junk. I wouldn't rate it higher than, for instance, EchoChrome (or PS Home, for that matter) on the PS3.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26438493)

Don't feed the trolls.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (3, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434911)

Boycott the Sony record label by all means.
However, I don't think it's practical in boycott entire mega-corporations since they are really just umbrella legal entities.

Whilst I wouldn't buy a Sony CD, battery, or anything that uses a proprietary recording format, I would buy another Sony TV because they've been of good build quality, and none have expired before I chose to upgrade myself.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (2, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435191)

My forty two inch Trinitron works very well (except for one bad input that I only use for the radio anyway), has an excellent picture ane very good sound (I have it plugged into some 12 inch 3 way speakers).

But the rootkit was a killer. Newer equipment will be internet enabled, and Sony will be able to do any damned thing they want to it, and theor XCP showed that they WILL stoop to anything.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (2, Interesting)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436599)

"However, I don't think it's practical in boycott entire mega-corporations since they are really just umbrella legal entities."

You'd be surprised. The only new Sony product I've purchased in over a year is a clock radio, and even then I'm stretching the definition of "I purchased" to include somebody buying it on my behalf with no input beyond "I need a new alarm clock for". It turns out that they have all sorts of competitors offering comparable (and sometimes even better) products at prices which are almost always lower. Why buy a Sony Bravia when you could buy a better rated Samsung or Panasonic TV instead? Sony also makes some great digital cameras, but so do Nikon, Canon and Panasonic, and they don't require you to pay triple for memory cards just so they can use a proprietary format.

As for being "just umbrella legal entities"... I call bullshit. The people who run the umbrella corporation are fully empowered to bitch-slap the misbehaving or antisocial executives of their subsidiary companies. The fact that they don't means that they are equally culpable, taking ill-gotten profits rather than forcing good business practices, and the fastest, best way to tell them to get their act straight is to make it hurt as much and as quickly as possible. When Sony starts seeing their TV sales shrink because their entertainment units are complete fuck ups, then they'll have to start considering the full ramifications of allowing those units to keep doing as they please. You can obfuscate the fact that the money all goes to the same people by tossing parent companies into the mix, but at the end of the day it doesn't change a damned thing.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0, Flamebait)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437483)

Another point; the "umbrella" corporation uses the same name to associate all these subsidiaries. They want to enjoy the benefits of associating them with each other and trade off that goodwill. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437957)

You'd think that Sony wouldn't want to align themselves with the corporation that released the T-virus and the G-virus and helped destroy Racoon City...

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (4, Informative)

anjin-san 3 (983912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437881)

Actually, Sony buys the "guts" of their HD TVs from Samsung and just puts them in a slick case and slaps their logo in it. You can buy the exact same TV from Samsung without paying extra for the Sony brand.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

AaxelB (1034884) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434997)

I can no longer trust Sony and refuse to buy from them...

I agree, but the vast majority of the public has absolutely no fricking clue why that would be the case. Just yesterday in one of my classes we were discussing business ethics and the fundamental motivations of a business (I'm a CS major taking a course on business law), and Sony was held up by the professor as an example of a company that has a primary goal of creating a quality product and building a quality brand. I didn't speak up because the example was given in passing and I didn't want to hold up the class, but something tells me nobody would have listened. People, both the layman and businessman, really do see Sony as a *great* company.

So, keep spreading the word! But it's an uphill battle, all the way.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436089)

A friend of mine was taking a business ethics class many years ago and the guy teaching the class was talking about domain squatting. He saw it as a way to make money and I pointed out how while that is true, things are changing and that's not likely to be the case much longer. To make a point I sent him the link where someone, I want to say Madonna, had just had a domain forcibly transferred back to her via WIPO.

Here's the story: http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/10/16/madonna.cybersquatter.reut/ [cnn.com]

So just because someone's a professor, it doesn't mean they know what they are talking about (unfortunately they are human).

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (-1, Flamebait)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435015)

Flamebait? Who gave Sony execs mod points?

I didn't get excellent karma by posting flamebait, if you were offended by the above comment there is something seriously wrong with you.

Mod this one offtopic. It won't hurt my karma either.

DIE SONY DIE!!!

Flamebait is not necessarily wrong (3, Insightful)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435103)

You can be completely in the right and yet still post something that will attract people with poor emotional control. In fact, let me add, on some subjects the more right you are the more hate mail you will get. It's always seemed to me that "flamebait" is a legacy moderation from the early days of the internet. It covers everything from "holds divergent opinions from some people" to "complete and utter asshole". But nowadays it's mostly (IMNSHO) used by fanboys to defend their obsession with one bit of plastic covered electronics over another.

Re:Flamebait is not necessarily wrong (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437063)

That's been my observation as well. Slashdot has a rep of being "filled with Linux fanboys" as uncyclopedia parodies in a "quote" from Bill gates, but I've noticed that so-called "Linux Zealots" seldom downmod jsut because somebody says somthing unkind toward it, while if you say anything negative whatever about Microsoft you're modded to oblivion.

Who in their right mind would defend Sony?

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (-1, Offtopic)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435123)

It's flamebait, it's been said ten thousand times already, and it adds nothing to a conversation about OLED screens. Why don't you shove off?

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437743)

If it's flamebait why has it been said so often? The fact is it's entirely true, and if you are offended by someone who was bitten by Sony's rootkit badmouthing Sony, I suggest you get off the internet. Because we (not just me) are not going to shut up about Sony until the Sony brand no longer exists.

Which division of Sony do you work for BTW? have you considered looking for honest employment?

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0, Troll)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437963)

Ram it up your ass, blowhard.

Splooging all over a message board about how much you hate Sony does jack shit to change their habits. It's impotent, and so are you!

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26438593)

Because we (not just me) are not going to shut up about Sony until the Sony brand no longer exists.

So idiots who infect their computer with DRM, then are too stupid to remove it will destroy a multi-billion dollar company?

Right.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435705)

I agree with you to a large extent. Sony has blown away an awful lot of goodwill by shipping crummy products.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436009)

Yeah, never again Sony! I hope other slimy vendors pay attention too.

"Fool me once, uhm, eehm, ooh, can't fool me twice!"

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436095)

There goes my already bad karma. But do you seriously think that people of the "I refuse to buy XYZ" variety have any impact more than the peteition filing idiots? And while you are leading boycotts, you might want to reconsider the Windows XP which apparantly got messed up because of the rootkit.

In the meantime, Sony just released a new $200 HD camcorder. While /. warrior is leading boycotts on /. , I haven't been able to place my order in 3 days because it is out of stock.

Dude you are on ./ You are just preachign to the choir. A pro-Sony comment will never even be visible here, but rest assured, int the real world, you don't matter.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26438515)

In meatspace (what you call the "real world") nobody knows about Sony's rootkit, and I educate them. Many, alas, simply don't believe me whan I tell them that Sony put "hacker tools that can take over your computer" on music CDs.

But I get through to some, and they in turn talk to other non-nerds in meatspace.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26437263)

> consider anyone who would be a Sony
> customer extremely stupid and short sighted.

Well, that's pretty stupid and short sighted of you.

Re:Do they come with rootkits? (1)

hierophanta (1345511) | more than 5 years ago | (#26438517)

In five years an OLED screen may well be a couple of bucks.

fyi-- oled screens are quite common for phones these days. a quick google search yields this: http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1873 [phonescoop.com]
so the first phone with an oled screen in the US was in 2006. im too lazy to search all the current phones with it - but if you are curious i'd highly recommend you check if your phone is (it'll make you feel super cool if it does)

Roll. up TVs? (5, Interesting)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 5 years ago | (#26434813)

Instead of pulling down the whitescreen for a TV projector from a roll, you actually roll down the TV itself - flexible screen comlpete with black backing and polymer based circuitry. 10 years I reckon before these are in the shops.

Re:Roll. up TVs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26435043)

Because that's so much more convenient than the current solution already used in companies across the world:

Mounting an HDTV directly on the wall.

Re:Roll. up TVs? (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435195)

Try mounting a large 50 kg HDTV on the sort of plasterboard wall common in offices then get back to us. When the alternative is a roll up TV probably weighing in at a few kilos its no contest.

Re:Roll. up TVs? (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435235)

Err... Yeah. It is. You might want that wall to actually have things on it other than your TV. The TV may not fit with the decor, and you want to hide it... Or you may just have more decor than wallspace. There are plenty of reasons to want a hide-away TV.

That's about when I might give up CRT (2, Insightful)

Crazy Taco (1083423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435483)

10 years I reckon before these are in the shops.

Fine with me. That's probably about the time I'll finally give up my tried and true CRT for something new. Up to now, I've just kept it, because what with format wars in the blu ray space, expensive content sources (whether it be players, the discs themselves, or HD cable), three competing large screen technologies (LCD, Plasma and rear projection) all with their own problems, TVs not always being 1080p, and sometimes just 1080i, changing cable designs, etc, I figured I just keep my CRT until OLED came along and killed them all. No sense spending thousands trying to guess which technology isn't going to be obsolete or which one isn't going to have tons of problems.

Re:That's about when I might give up CRT (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437369)

Why do you care if the TV technology you buy is on its way to obsolescence? This isn't VHS vs Betamax or HD-DVD vs Blu-ray. As you have found with your obsolete CRT there is no particular advantage in having a popular technology in your display.

Re:That's about when I might give up CRT (0, Offtopic)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437373)

They're already saying laser TVs will trump OLEDs. If you're waiting for one technology to trump all other technologies with no other technologies on the horizon, you'll be waiting a long while.

In the mean time, I've got a gorgeous 56" Sony Bravia LCD. I hook my PS3 into it to stream videos from my PC wirelessly, or to watch BluRays, and the experience is better than going to the movies. I noticed details watching The Dark Knight I didn't see in two viewings on the Imax.

Re:That's about when I might give up CRT (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437523)

Laser TVs will not be as thin as OLEDs, or as light, or as energy efficient, or flexible. I doubt it will trump OLEDs in many areas. I'd much prefer an OLED display on my computer and phone.

Re:That's about when I might give up CRT (1)

amoeba1911 (978485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26438061)

I feel the same way about hard drives! No sense spending thousands trying to guess which technology isn't going to be obsolete or which one isn't going to have tons of problems.

Back when I first got my computer, 3000MB was a huge hard drive and it cost several thousand dollars. Today 80GB hard drive is considered a small hard drive. In 10 years 100TB hard drive will be standard.

Fine with me. That's probably about the time I'll finally give up my tried and true 40MB hard drive for something new.

// end sarcasm
My point is: technology always evolves. Yesterday's CRT, today's LCD, tomorrow's OLED, next week's Lasers, next month's Holoprojectors.

Re:Roll. up TVs? (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437783)

It would be more useful if the screen could be folded like a normal sheet of paper. I suppose a roll up screen on a scroll might work.

Basically, you want to be able to reduce the screen to be as small as possible for carrying and expand to a reasonable size for viewing. Reading /. on the metro like a paper would be cool.

Oh great... (4, Funny)

Piranhaa (672441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435099)

Now Anonymous Coward is going to run around the internet shouting "Will it BEND??"

Re:Oh great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26435883)

Well, will it?

Samsung shows transparent OLED at 2009 CES (4, Informative)

lurking_giant (1087199) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435139)

Also at the show were examples of Samsungs prototype transparent OLED screens. It offers another way to "put yourself in the picture" http://www.oled-info.com/files/images/Samsung_Transparent_OLED_Ces_2009.jpg [oled-info.com] and http://www.oled-info.com/files/images/Samsung_Transparent_OLED_Ces_2009_2.jpg [oled-info.com]

Re:Samsung shows transparent OLED at 2009 CES (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436065)

If you layered the transparent OLED screens could you make a 3D display?

how about one you can afford? (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435273)

They are fantastic - million contrast ratio for page-size screen. However its still over $2K at the lcoal Sony store.

Some OLED notes (5, Informative)

theskipper (461997) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435379)

A few points about OLED:

1) The optimal solution right now is flourescent blue combined with PHOLED red and green (phosphorescent). It's unclear right now how much PHOLED is being used in Sony's sets.

PHOLED is important primarily for power consumption which is why OLED screens are showing up more frequently in mobile devices. Nokia recently mandated that their suppliers have supply capability for OLED. Samsung is the major proponent of using PHOLED although LG and others are on board with materials+royalty contracts in place.

2) Samsung's recent statements about larger screen sizes (30"+) being far into the future seem to be due to two issues. First, although current LCD lines can be relatively easily retrofitted to produce OLED panels, production capacity is just starting to be scaled.

Second, and probably more importantly, the major LCD panel manufacturers have a major investment to be paid off in the later gen lines that recently came online.

3) The major issues facing OLED right now are packaging, lifetime and defect rate. The molecules degrade rapidly when exposed to oxygen/moisture so much tighter packaging is required (largely solved). Blue lifetime (both molecule sizes) was a problem in the past, 30k+ hours is now realistic. Defect rate applies to larger panels and is why 30"+ screens will be prohibitively expensive for now (Samsung has produced prototypes though so it isn't vaporware).

4) PHOLED can reach 100% EQE, flourescent around 25%. PMOLED is still viable but PHOLED should (imho) be the ideal molecule in the future. PHOLED deep blue with adequate lifetime is still the major hurdle, sky blue is ready to go.

5) OLED isn't just display. Lighting is arguably a larger market in the long run. Current specs are around 50lm/W but 100lm/W PHOLED has been successfully demonstrated. 150lm/W is pushing the envelope but not unrealistic.

GE is pushing its roll-to-roll initiative. Philips is aggressively heading toward commercial production. OLED lighting offers lower power consumption, temperature tunability, flexibility, flat panel replacement and fault tolerance (in the respect that a hole in the middle of the panel won't take out the entire structure). Universal Display recently received a grant with Armstrong to engineer tiles for commercial use.

6) OLED's appeal is not just a better display and flexibility; thickness (sub-1mm) and transparency are important factors for future designs and mass acceptance as a technology (Youtube has many videos about the Samsung prototypes).

7) The technology is way past the prototype stage, like where FED and SED have been stuck. Kodak, Dupont, BASF and every Japanese and Korean company you can name are involved (i.e. heavily investing) in OLED. Not to mention that the Chinese are going online this year in a big way. Will it replace LCD for display? Not any time soon. The question is not how many applications there are to make it viable, it's how soon these apps will gain critical mass in the marketplace.

Google for further information.

Re:Some OLED notes (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437157)

Universal Display recently received a grant with Armstrong to engineer tiles for commercial use.

Great, now they'll have ads on the floor. Ads that will follow you around. "Follow the red dot on the floor to The Gap, Mr Yakamoto. We have assorted tank tops on sale."

m0od 3own (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26435445)

AMERICA) mIght be everything else one com8on goal - 1. Therefore it's

Flicker? (3, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435505)

I have seen the Sony OLED TV (FYI, the resolution is quarter-1080p 960x540), but one thing I noticed is... the flicker during bright scenes. Now, I don't know if it was caused by the source (blu-ray player), the cabling (running 1080p24), or the scaler (both the size and framerate adjust). It was the light images, but I'm just somewhat concerned that we'll end up in the days of screens that flicker again. (Nothing's more annoying that someone who has their CRT set to 60Hz refresh).

I'm thinking it's just a scalar issue, but I've seen it on some of the OLED screens used in MP3 players...

Re:Flicker? (2, Interesting)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437109)

Okay, that's a tad scary. I thought OLED had stupidly fast response times. I realise that's not the same as real-world refresh rate, but it should at least be capable.

In any case, I can't understand how (or why) it would want to emulate the mechnical vertical scan of traditional CRT.

One 'interesting' feature of OLED technology I think is that there's no 'real' grayscale. It flickers the light on/off incredibly fast to emulate gray (or any colour). I doubt this issue relates to the above flicker aspect that you're talking about, but it could do.

What does the 'Dept' line have to do with it? (1)

thered2001 (1257950) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435645)

I'm racking my brain for a connection between this story and that line from Bladerunner. Anyone have a clue?

power saving? (1)

berwiki (989827) | more than 5 years ago | (#26435677)

anyone notice this bizzare tidbit FTFA?

the Sony 11 inch diagonal OLED TV can result in reduced power consumption of up to 40% per panel square inch compared to conventional 20-inch LCD panels.No backlight is used with the organic materials.

Can we at least try to compare apples with apples. A 20inch is 55% larger than a 11inch tv, so does this even save power?

Re:power saving? (1)

jabelli (1144769) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436039)

Read the entire passage you quoted, not just the part you bolded. It says "per panel square inch," so we are in fact comparing apples to apples. Well, square inches to square inches, anyway.

Re:power saving? (1)

berwiki (989827) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436281)

It is still is a terrible comparison.

A larger TV may need a significant amount of additional energy to supply the exponentially increasing Surface Area. So, although they did use the 'per panel square inch' terminology, it would make a heck of a lot more sense to use a similar size TV for comparison.

Re:power saving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436429)

The surface area actually doesn't increase exponentially with display size, but whatever.

Re:power saving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436891)

you need to attend math class again.
I'll make this as simple as I can for you.
lets take a 7.07 diagonal display (which is a 5x5 horizontal/vertical widths) the surface area is 25in/sq.
a 14.14 inch diagonal display (which is a 10x10 horizontal/vertical width) the surface area is 100in/sq.
a 21.21 inch diagonal display (which is a 15x15 horizontal/vertical width) the surface area is 225in/sq.
a 28.28 inch diagonal display (which is a 20x20 horizontal/vertical width) the surface area is 400in/sq.

even with your brain, you can see the surface area is indeed increasing exponentially.(quadrupling)
but thanks for trying to troll, lets play again sometime. (go ahead, plot the points in Excel...I assume you can handle that much)

Re:power saving? (1)

EchaniDrgn (1039374) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436125)

anyone notice this bizzare tidbit FTFA?

the Sony 11 inch diagonal OLED TV can result in reduced power consumption of up to 40% per panel square inch compared to conventional 20-inch LCD panels.No backlight is used with the organic materials.

Can we at least try to compare apples with apples. A 20inch is 55% larger than a 11inch tv, so does this even save power?

Note that the power consumption is based per panel square inch. They are comparing apples to apples, but in one case they are averaging out 49 apples versus 196 apples.

Re:power saving? (0, Flamebait)

berwiki (989827) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436363)

As I replied to the comment above yours, with a larger TV, you are going to instantly increase things like oh 'energy lost due to heat', etc, etc.

It's pretty obvious why they chose a 20 inch to compare their TV against. People are dumb and they won't realize they are intentionally trying to Fudge their numbers. I have no doubt these TV's save energy, but at 40%...I'm not sure I buy into that... especially with that bizzare comparison.

Re:power saving? (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437427)

Well, HTC has talked about putting OLED screens on their phones, and have talked about similar 40% energy savings when talking about replacing a LCD screen with a OLED screen of the same size.

The oft-rumored iPhone HD is also supposed to move to a OLED screen for battery reasons as well.

Re:power saving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436919)

its called new maths. get with the times

Re:power saving? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437627)

Since screens are measured diagonally, a twenty inch screen has the same size in square inches as four ten inch screens. You would expect a twenty inch screen to use roughly four times the power of a ten inch screen.

Where do I get one? (1)

the_greywolf (311406) | more than 5 years ago | (#26436551)

So where do I buy an actual panel?

I can buy LCDs of many types from many vendors, but I've yet to see an OLED device. Even transflective LCD displays are hard to come by.

Re:Where do I get one? (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437643)

Sony store. You can pick up your $2500 11" OLED TV there. Some cellphones use OLED displays too, or so I've heard.

Coming soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26436579)

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/01/0440229

Their "new displays" used in e-book reader?! (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437093)

Isn't this like incorporating a hard drive and 5.1 surround sound into an 8-track player?

e-books are, by far, the dumbest invention ever made.

I know of very few institutions which use them, and those tend to have captive audiences who only use their "e-libraries" as a very small part of overall services.

The e-book is deader than 8-track. Enough already sony.

Why not go into military development, actually make the "kill stick" fred dreamed up at megatokyo.

Re:Their "new displays" used in e-book reader?! (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437497)

PDAs and smartphones were declared dead when they didn't blossom with early adopters. The same can be said for laptops. When Apple released the iPhone, suddenly everyone in the world is considering a smart phone when they wouldn't have previously.

I hate paper books. I love to read, but I largely stopped reading paper books years ago. If the Kindle weren't horribly expensive, I'd buy one.

In truth, I think you'll find that a standalone e-reader is not likely to be a huge success, a smart phone with a OLED screen can also coexist as an e-reader.

Re:Their "new displays" used in e-book reader?! (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437853)

e-books were introduced more than a decade ago.

Their DRM schemes make blu-ray's byzantine system look simple and streamlined.

There are faqs in the few websites which use e-books with questions like "i followed the install instructions on my windows machine and it's not working", and answers like "we're getting around to supporting your platform [windows], and btw if you have mac or linux just come in and read the physical copy, you're boned"

Re:Their "new displays" used in e-book reader?! (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26438117)

I'm not sure what format you're talking about, but one of the problems with e-books is how many formats there are out there.

What I suggested is smart phones operating directly as e-readers. Given that smart phones can already open text, pdf, doc, and other formats, there is no major hurdle here, and all those formats can be read and transferred on all three platforms. Further more, if you want some proprietary, DRM-ridden e-book, smart phones would allow you to download the book directly from the internet to the phone.

I don't see how your PC platform even comes into play there.

Re:Their "new displays" used in e-book reader?! (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26438685)

I don't see how your PC platform even comes into play there.

adobe can't even get their own ebook reader to read their own format on their primary platform.

And the point is they actually CAN, but don't consider it worth the resources.

Its a dead format, the subject of punch lines around the mountain dew cooler.

Mock-up, indeed (1)

iliketrash (624051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437243)

"including one stunning ultra-portable with no hinge and a single display for both screen and keyboard"

I saw this mock-up (and the other two) and it is the most stupid thing I've ever seen, with one make-believe OLED display that, when the lid of the device was opened, caused the folded-up display to partially unfold to a length that covered the area normally covered by both the display and keyboard of an ordinary portable. Hard to see the point of this, and even harder to type on the display. (No touch sensitivity was indicated, and even then, no physical keys--you would just be typing on a slick, smooth surface with no tactile feedback whatsoever. The first and second runners-up for "most stupid" were the other two mock-ups.

The display that was being folded repeatedly was tiny (duh), about two inches diagonal, and the degree of folding was rather slight, although the picture appeared to remain good. By "appeared" I mean, as best as I could tell given that the display was tiny and in a case which kept the viewer at some distance. Still, if the idea of a roll-up display isn't inherently stupid, i.e., if you want to try to read your screen while it is curved, then this was an interesting demo.

Re:Mock-up, indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26438283)

Funny, I had a very similar idea for fitting a largeish screen into a small portable. The way I visualised it would have been somewhat unwieldy and required some engineering skill to work practically, but it was essentially an auto unroll/roll-up mechanism for a flexible screen.

(No, I don't think they stole my idea, because I never told anyone of note...)

Still, if the idea of a roll-up display isn't inherently stupid, i.e., if you want to try to read your screen while it is curved

The obvious step would be to unroll it flat then, surely?! There's nothing "inherent" in the general principle that requires it to remain curved, except possibly the limitations of a particular early implementation.

The only "stupid" thing is your lack of imagination in not seeing that.

(The keyboard is another problem altogether, but you were specifically discussing the screen there).

Flexible is a red herring (2, Insightful)

famebait (450028) | more than 5 years ago | (#26437907)

Forget about flexible. Sure, it sounds sexy, but who really cares? The roll-up stuff will probably not withstand normal wear very well in any case.

Why are all the new display technologies like oled and e-paper mainly being marketed on the unimportant qulaities like flexibility?

The real appeal of OLED is the simplicity, i.e. thinness and low cost. Only incrementally from before at first, but the simplicity is really orders of magnitude away from everything else. So once the tech is solid (i.e. good lifetime and low defect rates) and production scaled up, they will be so cheap it's silly.

The real appeal of e-paper is good reflective contrast. i.e not only high contrast, but contrast that gets better in stronger light, and in general better contrast than any screen you have seen. This is something absolutely nothing else can offer right now (electrowetting might eventually, but it's still stricly lab stuff. It promises color, though, so stay tuned on that one). People tend to forget, or not understand, how important this is, even when they talk about books being better to tread than on-screen. But once most peopole have seen a really good one, I think the penny will drop. I wish they'd forget about flexibility and persistence for now and just focus on getting them fast, reliable, cheap and even higher resolution. this is something I'd want on my laptop right now. Work on that other stuff after they've become _good_, and popular.

On oleds I have the impression thay _are_ working on the right stuff, flexible is just a by-product and makes headlines. For e-paper, i'm not so sure.

OLED circuitry still far from flexible enough (2, Informative)

kobotronic (240246) | more than 5 years ago | (#26438355)

The OLED flex demo video shows at least two dead pixel rows, and the display doesn't even flex all that much, carefully bending in only one direction. This is very similar performance to "flexible OLED" demos we've seen for the past five years: The tech is so far away from commercial reality it's hardly worth demo'ing on a tradeshow alongside with commercially available tech.

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