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Streaming the Inauguration In a School?

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the coronation-will-be-televised dept.

Government 201

Anonymous Teacher writes "I work in a small school in Washington and we are trying to prepare a way to watch the inauguration in 20 classrooms over a 1.5 T1. As our bandwidth severely limits the ability to individually stream to these rooms, is there an alternative to presenting it to the students? Are there any sites that offer a downloadable copy of the video quickly after the event that can be hosted locally or is reconfiguring the computers to use a proxy server the best solution?"

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Projector (4, Insightful)

russlar (1122455) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477129)

1. Gather all the students in an auditorium, gym or cafeteria 2. Set up a single PC with a projector 3. ????? 4. Profit!

Mod parent up (1)

Alarindris (1253418) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477193)

This should be a no brainer, unless they don't have a gym for some reason.

television (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477145)

seriously... that's how we did it back in my day. While it isn't as sexy as modern computer tech, it just works.

Re:television (2, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477255)

And before that it was radio, before that it press, and before that it was in person. The simple fact is that time changes. I am 49 and would love to have kids see this from the net, rather than the TV. The news will be far more impressed by themselves and will be making loads of worthless comments; CNN will prattle on about this being a black man, while Fox will do everything to warn about the evils of a dem (with tones of it being that it is a black man). It would be better for the kids just to get a straight stream of this from the white house cams. If Obama and the dems are smart (and they tend to be), they will have multiple streams set up for this.

Re:television (0)

Majik Sheff (930627) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477313)

...because your statements are in no way biased?

Re:television (4, Insightful)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477501)

CSPAN?

Re:television (1)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477537)

CPAN has feeds in Windows Media and Real. Dunno how this maps to anything or how you can suck down either feed and "rebroadcast it" over your network. My guess is both Microsoft and Real have some gadget that would support this.

Re:television (4, Insightful)

adolf (21054) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477611)

I agree, in theory.

But in practice, your argument just doesn't stand up.

First: TV is best. It's a broadcast medium, made to transmit a single moving image to thousands (or, in this case, millions) of recipients. It does this job very well. If you want to avoid outlandish commentary and commercialization, obvious channel choices are either C-Span or PBS (in order of preference).

Second: There isn't enough bandwidth in a T1 to send 20 video streams of any rational (for 2008) quality. Multicast IP would solve this problem, of course, but the M-Bone is all but dead. (Wikipedia those terms yourself if you don't understand.)

Third: Why do you assume that the coverage on a television channel like C-Span is worse than the coverage which might be available online? No matter what the medium, someone has to produce the feed, and in doing so, they'll almost certainly be adding commentary of some sort.

Fourth: Internet video for the sake of internet video. Who gives a shit? I know it's 2009, and we're supposed to be in Teh Future and stuff, but for fuck's sake: If, in 2009, this were a solved problem, the question would never have been raised. Think about it.

Re:television (1, Informative)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478589)

Google for VLS if you do not know that application and do not understand how to set up your own broadcasting.

If you like, I can direct you to schools that can help with your lack of tech knowledge and other schools (or books) to help with your lack of manners.

Re:television (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478647)

"Why do you assume that the coverage on a television channel like C-Span is worse than the coverage which might be available online? No matter what the medium, someone has to produce the feed, and in doing so, they'll almost certainly be adding commentary of some sort."

CSPAN typically does not add any commentary.

Re:television (1, Flamebait)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477679)

And before that it was radio, before that it press, and before that it was in person. The simple fact is that time changes. I am 49 and would love to have kids see this from the net, rather than the TV.

And every step in that progression you mentioned was an improvement in quality. So you'd rather have kids watch an historic event in grainy, choppy, crappy video where they can barely watch what's going on, rather than in beautiful HDTV where they can see everything? Just so they don't have to see professional analysis (God Forbid!) AFTER the event?

This is one of the most retarded things I've seen posted on Slashdot in a while.

Re:television (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478143)

And every step in that progression you mentioned was an improvement in quality.

Radio was an improvement in quality over seeing it in person?

This is one of the most retarded things I've seen posted on Slashdot in a while.

Re:television (2, Insightful)

adolf (21054) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478187)

Radio was an improvement over not witnessing it at all.

Remember, kid: The United States hasn't always had a thorough network of interstate highways and a monsoon of motor vehicles with which to utilize them. If a Californian wanted to see an inauguration in the early 1800s, it'd have taken months, and few would have had the wherewithal to do so. Instead, they just read about it in the left-coast newspapers, once the news eventually showed up over there.

Radio is definitely a step forward, in comparison.

Re:television (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478389)

Yes, but just why would Spanish colonists be interested in the inauguration of the U.S. President?

Captcha: province

Re:television (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478001)

Except that TV is a hell of a lot better for broadcast. Why do people assume that computers are automagically better for every possible task? Sometimes, computers are not better. Not yet. Some day, maybe, but not in January 2009.

Re:television (1)

sleigher (961421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478247)

Maybe they should allow the to watch the ceremony, the swearing in and the speech, then turn it off and discuss? Forget streaming. Although the projector idea is good. I would think it is more about the content than the path it takes to get to your head.

Re:television (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477871)

While it isn't as sexy as modern computer tech, it just works.

It can work very well.

HD projection. 1080p 60 fps.

Multilingual captions. Signing. Second channel audio. Your choice of perhaps a dozen feeds tailored for specific audiences.

Most schools I suspect began planning for the Inaugural no later than the day after the election.

VLC? (5, Informative)

Tyris (1315133) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477147)

Could be wrong, but can't VLC (VideoLanClient [videolan.org] ) do the trick?
Get it to recieve one copy of the stream, and then repeat it over the local network (assuming your local network has the bandwidth).

Broadcast/multicast? (2, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477335)

You shouldn't even need more bandwidth, if your local network is configured properly.

Re:VLC? (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477771)

Ummm... TV...

Dag Nabbit Back in my day classrooms had TV that you can pick up via Radio waves. Near every classroom had a TV, a huge 20" TV. I remember watching the first shuttle launch after the challenger exploded. The results of the first O.J. Simpson trial. Also other big current events that has happened during school hours. For the classes that didn't have a TV we just merged 2 classes together. I can't believe that civilization has fallen so far that this simple concept is no longer possible. And you need to setup some odd Internet Hack to watch this.

No wonder schools are always running out of money, no one is smart enough to do it the easy way.

Gar (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477159)

My piddly little high school reeled a projector tv into the cafeteria when the first space shuttle crashed in `84.

I was in elementary school (1)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477579)

And the janitor had to come into every classroom and fiddle with our antique black and white televisions to watch that.

Re:I was in elementary school (1)

ezratrumpet (937206) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477725)

We had to listen to the news on the crystal radios we built ourselves...and we liked it.

Re:I was in elementary school (1)

qengho (54305) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477769)

You had crystals? We had to make our radios out of amorphous silica.

Re:I was in elementary school (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477907)

The topper! (dilbert) lol...

Re:I was in elementary school (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478003)

You think that's special? Back in my day we had to brainwash the CIA to broadcast the news to our tooth fillings.

Fuck you Linus Torvalds!!!! You god damn thief!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477167)

When I installed Linux it asked me for my credit card number. Two days later I got a call from Wachovia asking me if I had purchased $400 worth of Totino's pizza rolls and Mountain Dew (I hadn't). Let this be a warning to all of you out there on the Internet.

Re:Fuck you Linus Torvalds!!!! You god damn thief! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477401)

what ? you expected linux to be free ? you godamn pirate!

Re:Fuck you Linus Torvalds!!!! You god damn thief! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477709)

That was pretty cheap actually. Maybe the money for the SCO license has yet to appear on your credit card statement.

VLC - VideoLAN Client (3, Informative)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477185)

VLC might be an option.

VLC can play back from a file that another process is writing to. So if you can figure out how to write the incoming video stream to a network filesystem, each classroom could use VLC to playback that file and you would only have to worry about a delay buffer of a minute or two to ensure smooth playback.

While I have not tried it myself, VLC is also capable of rebroadcasting video. So if you can view the live stream directly with VLC, you can probably get that copy of VLC to multiplex it out to other VLC clients on other machines.

Re:VLC - VideoLAN Client (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477383)

VLC might be an option.

VLC can play back from a file that another process is writing to. So if you can figure out how to write the incoming video stream to a network filesystem, each classroom could use VLC to playback that file and you would only have to worry about a delay buffer of a minute or two to ensure smooth playback.

While I have not tried it myself, VLC is also capable of rebroadcasting video. So if you can view the live stream directly with VLC, you can probably get that copy of VLC to multiplex it out to other VLC clients on other machines.

why bother with a networked file system? VLC can stream directly to a client over the network

umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477191)

Download it with your server. Stream it using VLC. Yay!

Projector (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477199)

It would probably be a lot easier to just project it in an auditorium and play it from youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/inauguration
That's what my school's doing.

TV (5, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477203)

It'll be broadcast free over the air. Give each classroom a TV. Why deal with the internet?

Re:TV (3, Funny)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477265)

What is this "TV" you speak of?
And does it run Linux?

Re:TV (1)

dns_server (696283) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477393)

If it's a sony tv probably

Re:TV (1)

Jbain (1453725) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477405)

I think he misspelled Hulu

Re:TV (1)

gpmanrpi (548447) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477285)

I have to second this. Why use the internet when OTA is a better solution here? Just because you can stream it does not mean you should.

Re:TV (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477349)

Maybe each classroom already has a computer or ten, but no TV. Why not deal with the Internet?

Re:TV (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477525)

The high school I currently attend was created three years ago and is definitely a product of the "tech age." Each teacher has a room equipped with a "smart cart" and their own personal laptop, but the school hasn't installed any TVs. There are only two television sets on campus, one of them is owned by one of the teachers and the other is owned by one of the on-campus clubs.

Re:TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477715)

Commercial free?

Re:TV (1)

Carrion Creeper (673888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478613)

It'll be broadcast free over the air. Give each classroom a TV. Why deal with the internet?

A school I have something to do with has projectors in every room. (It is a public charter school)

They bought one ATSC (over the air) tuner for every room. There is no cable, and much less guesswork than relying on their 1.5 T1s or any restreaming. We considered VLC but you need very specific models of tuner cards as far as I can tell.

Even money is that the internet is going to break anyhow, and nobody wants hundreds of kids staring at them like they were idiots. It is worth buying the tuners even if there was a 10% chance streaming would fail, and internal streaming would be a hack.

windows media (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477221)

windows media services does exactly what you want

Odd (3, Funny)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477273)

I keep trying to get that to work on my system. Where in KDE can I start this and make it work? Otherwise, I will stick with VLC.

I'd imagine they are Windows based. (1)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477511)

Here is how I'd do it:

1) Buy a USB capture card [hauppauge.com] that has known drivers for whatever windows server version is in use
2) Assume Windows Media Services can use this capture card and stream it to windows clients on your network.
3) ???
4) ???

My other thought would be to use like MythTV and then use it's streaming stuff. I'm pretty sure they have a web based client.

This is actually a pretty tricky question to be honest. Especially considering you have less than a week to set it up and test it!

Personally, I doubt you are going to be able to take a stream from the internet and "rebroadcast" it over your network. The only thing that would get you half way is CSPAN, who offers a stream using windows media player or real player. I somehow doubt you'll be able to stream from the big-boys like MSNBC, CNN or (shudder) FOX.

My hunch is you will be more happy with a capture card and streaming that.

Either way, this is a pretty large project. Good luck.

There's this invention called television (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477223)

There's this invention called television. It allows for any number of viewing stations with no increase in bandwidth requirements. Pretty sexy 21st-century stuff.

Re:There's this invention called television (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477301)

No, it is NOT 21st century. It is VERY 20th century. With the net, the teacher can have kids look up information quickly.

Re:There's this invention called television (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477577)

But Radio/TV is actually a great way to broadcast events like this.

Re:There's this invention called television (2, Insightful)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478313)

Wouldn't it make more sense to watch the live video on a TV leaving the computer free to look things up? This allows computer use without interfering with the video.

That won't work (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477977)

If one person presses pause then it freezes for everybody!

Is this why... (5, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477243)

...we don't get much bang for our education dollars? Something that is going to be broadcast on 97 different networks for free, and you need to go through who knows what effort to stream it? Do you have math classes at that school? Get some parents to volunteer to bring in a TV. If you want the kids to see it later, you don't think YouYube will be inundated with copies of it?

Re:Is this why... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477277)

Seriously! If they already have a projector or something for a large group, all they need is a VCR (or one of those new-fangled ATSC receivers I keep hearing about) to catch one of the OTA signals. Yet again, how did this manage to make Ask Slashdot?

Re:Is this why... (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477719)

Most schools have no reason for owning any sort of TV tuner in every classroom, and are located in steel-roofed buildings that do not get reception easily.

Last I checked also, projectors weren't terribly common in K-8 schools, and also don't include any sort of tuner.

Re:Is this why... (2, Interesting)

Albanach (527650) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478101)

Most schools have no reason for owning any sort of TV tuner in every classroom, and are located in steel-roofed buildings that do not get reception easily.

Seriously?

When I was at school in the UK we would regularly - though not frequently - use video as part of lessons. The BBC broadcast a whole host of TV shows designed to be shown in the classroom with accompanying teaching material.

Is this some peculiar European teaching strategy?

All our classrooms has access to a TV and an aerial socket on the wall. That was decades ago, seems hard to believe it isn't the case for most schools.

Re:Is this why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478509)

have you seen the crap on TV in the US? Pretty much every class in CA has a TV monitor with a VCR or probably DVD nowadays from what I understand, but not TV tuner /rabbit ears or cable.

When I saw the space shuttle columbia take off and land for the first time, the teacher brought in his own TV and we had the other 3rd grade class come in and watch with us.

Re:Is this why... (3, Informative)

NNKK (218503) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477363)

The fact that they're running off a single T1 would seem to imply that the "Washington" being referred to is Washington State, not D.C. (since the latter is unlikely to have anywhere in it that it's not far easier and more economical to go for DSL or another more modern solution, yet there are many such places in Washington State).

That being the case, some small schools, particularly in eastern parts of the state, may have difficulty getting any sort of television signal. Check out a map, we've got an awful lot of empty space up here.

Re:Is this why... (1)

hoyty (35485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477683)

Actually it is surprisingly hard to get DSL / Cable connections in many places in DC. Further you get to pay dearly for T1's due to local loop fees. I know several people who run IT for schools there and they often complain of this issue.

Re:Is this why... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478439)

I find it hard to believe that they have a T1 line - and no cable.

But then, there has been an effort to run fiber to all the school districts in Washington. Here on the Peninsula they are running fiber to individual schools as part of a county wide fiber optic backbone.

Not only free, but at 15 Mbps in 1080i HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477993)

Someone just needs to bring in a cheap 46" HDTV with a built in ATSC tuner and put the antenna next to the window. Now you get to watch at 1080i 15 Mbps MPEG-2 rather than a 1 Mbps stream from Hulu.

The same thing can be said about the office. You've got these high-rise buildings with large windows and you've got 20 people all trying to unicast the same 1 Mbps stream over the Internet bringing the whole office connection down.

DUH! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477259)

I can't believe this was posted. The teacher reads ./ but doesn't know about VLC? Sad. I suppose the teacher also doesn't know who Barack Hussein Obama II is really controlled by either. Lamer....

Don't blame me I voted for Ron Paul. :) /me ready for the flame.

dont kid yourself pal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477403)

Only Palin would have been able to save our ass. Ron Paul would have given us the gold standard and crashed the market. Obama will give us socialism and crash our market. Only Palin knows what we need in this fine homeland.

What would Sarah Palin do to save us? It is so easy that only a fool couldn't know. We all know what she would have done and I'll spare you the gory details because I'm sure you aren't a fool.

Alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477311)

An alternative way of presenting this? Simply tell them the America their parents knew has been killed by illogic, fluffy rhetoric, and masterful manipulation.

I'm Nikita Kruschev, and I approved this message.

P.S., Told you we'd bury you.

TV? (0, Redundant)

tqk (413719) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477351)

I'd be very surprised if it isn't going to be on ALL the major TV networks. Use the right tool.

Re:TV? (1)

Magic5Ball (188725) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478419)

Right tool might be: TV signal + Hauppage TV tuner card + VLC or other multicast solution on the internal network.

Re:TV? (1)

tqk (413719) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478611)

Why not just turn on the TV set?!?

Just do what you did... (1, Interesting)

bobobobo (539853) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477395)

...for Bush's inauguration! What's that you say? You didn't force all the kids to watch W's? In all seriousness though, why the big deal for Obama's inauguration? What makes it more significant than any other inauguration in the past? Did you guys broadcast Bush's or Clinton's?

Re:Just do what you did... (-1)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477427)

no kidding - its not like the Messiah is being sworn in (I guess that makes no sense) - we should do exactly what they did for Bill/Hillary Clinton...

Re:Just do what you did... (5, Insightful)

dcowart (13321) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478277)

First Black President, that's why this is important. I plan to watch it. This is how far we as a nation have come in the 60 years since the civil rights movement and the Jim Crow laws that held black people down for so long. More than just another president being inaugurated this is a statement that anyone can achieve anything they push for. Yes, I'm a flag waving optimist about this but having grown up in an inner city and having seen the devastation of being poor in America, It makes me hopeful that things can change for the better.

This is the kind of thing that can give an inner city kid a shred of hope that he can get out of the slums and into something better.

I'm starting to get all preachy now, but that's why this is something kids should watch.

Re:Just do what you did... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478585)

First Black President.

he is not black he is biracial

Re:Just do what you did... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478617)

>>This is the kind of thing that can give an inner city kid a shred of hope that he can get out of the slums and into something better.

OK, so the US has had a black secretary of state, black all-the-jobs Colin Powell had, black senators, judges, businessmen and women, sports heroes and used car salesmen and you think that THIS is finally going to give an inner city kid a shred of hope to get out of the slums and into something better when nothing else has?

With confidence like yours, that kid's fucked already.

Still, it's good that there's no poor white kids anymore, because all of the white presidents giving them so many shreds of hope and stuff. Latinos are still screwed, though.

Re:Just do what you did... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478623)

You have got to be kidding me.

Bunch of Crap (0)

bobobobo (539853) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478765)

I'm sorry, no one cared when we had blacks ascend to prominent positions in govt eg. Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, etc. I guess this is the first person of color to ascend to high ranking office that the media and left approve of, therefore it's a big deal. Being black helped Obama during the election, period. The only people making a big deal of him being the first non-white president was the media and the left.

Why? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477423)

You are taking time away from education for this? Why? No, this doesn't count as education.

If you really want to stream... (1)

strredwolf (532) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477437)

Grab a Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro, and slap Linux on a laptop. Plug in, tune in a station with Kaffeine, and note it down. Then get VLC configured to multicast that channel to the classrooms.

No need to kill the T1, when you can get digital TV of it for free.

The only other way is to have VLC multicast a smaller stream that won't choke the T1.

Re:If you really want to stream... (1)

GiMP (10923) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478699)

I agree, although I wonder about licensing rights? Can they do this legally? Assuming they can, there are many sorts of variants of this theme. Is this why you can't just use televisions, or are you hoping to make use of large-scale projectors that won't accept a TV input? Why weren't you in an auditorium again? Well, okay, lets assume you do this with technology... grab a cable feed and stream it on your LAN, it won't touch your T1. The only reason you would need to touch the T1 is if you don't have cable anywhere in the school. Then, you could stream it from off-site somewhere. Assuming it is done on the LAN, you don't even have to bother setting up and using multicast for only 20 classrooms if you have FastE, unicast will work fine.

Re:If you really want to stream... (1)

Forbman (794277) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478869)

He did say he was from a small school district in eastern Washington, which is largely rural (except perhaps Wenatchee, Ellensburg, Yakima, Spokane, Richland, Kennewick and Pasco). If it was a school in any one of those towns, chances are they've got the free cable TV feed and can probably set up TVs in some/most of the classrooms.

Will they show all the pomp and circumstance, or just Pres. Obama's speech and swearing-in?

Indoctrination? Yeah, whatever.

Streaming Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477439)

I am going to assume that you are talking about a T1 to the Internet and that you actually have at least 100MB switched network locally.

If this is the case, then you should be able to easily do what you need. I work for a school and I understand that you probably don't have TVs, but you do have a computer and a projector.

You need one over the air TV or cable connection. Where I live, one cable drop per school is provided for free to the district.

Take this feed and connect it to a video capture card in a computer running Windows XP. Download the Windows Media Encoder, it's free from Microsoft. Use this to encode your cable video source. I suggest C-SPAN, but it's up to you.

Use a single Windows 2003 server to host a Windows Media Service. This is a very lightweight service that can run on a server that is already in use for something else. Set your media server to pull the feed from the encoder.

Tell all of your classrooms to point to the media server. A single media server can easily handle 50 - 60 streams over a 100 MB/sec switched network.

The effect of all of this is that you don't need to use any of your ISP's Internet bandwidth at all. All of your streaming traffic would be local to your LAN.

Why do you have to ask? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477467)

Why do you have to ask? Just do what your school did for the past inaugurations. How did they show the inauguration 4, 8, 12, and 16 years ago?

One Last Question... Why? (1)

Revotron (1115029) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477485)

Okay, now that many posters have recommended VLC (which I as well recommend for stream rebroadcasting), I have one final question.

Why does this need to be a live feed? Seriously, record the stream on a computer or bust out one of those ancient VHS tapes and record it. Then, show the kids the video the next day in their Social Studies/History classes. There's no reason to disrupt the school's daily flow for something that happens every four years.

Maybe. Just Maybe (2)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477569)

Because it is a historic moment in our time. That might be, oh, a *small* part of it, you think?

Back when I was in high school, they stopped classes to show the OJ verdict live on every TV in the school. I'd say in terms of importance, this is a bit more important and historic.

Re:Maybe. Just Maybe (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478195)

A historic moment, that happens every four years of the child's life. Has the world changed so much that whatever solution they used in 2004 won't work any more?

Re:Maybe. Just Maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478551)

If you're under about 18, you don't really remember anyone other than Bush being president. It's a huge change for a kid.
 
Mind you my school has cable to all the TVs, for some reason (and we never use it).

Re:Maybe. Just Maybe (1)

Revotron (1115029) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478285)

Why is it a historic moment? He's a man who was elected President. Don't make a big deal out of it, for the sake of equality. Equal treatment means equal recognition.

P.S. My school never showed us the OJ verdict because it had nothing to do with any of our actual studies.

Re:Maybe. Just Maybe (1)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478335)

Why is it a historic moment?

I pity you if this is a legitimate question and not a troll.

My school never showed us the OJ verdict because it had nothing to do with any of our actual studies.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Re:Maybe. Just Maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478561)

>>Why is it a historic moment? He's a man who was elected President. Don't make a big deal out of it, for the sake of equality. Equal treatment means equal recognition.

OMG!!!!111

BARAK OBAMA IS BLAK! WTF?

Re:Maybe. Just Maybe (1)

Revotron (1115029) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478625)

It is not an entirely legitimate question. For the most part it's rhetorical but I asked it to prove a point: Just because he's BLACK doesn't mean it should be covered more than a white man's inauguration. Civil rights activists have been screaming about equal treatment, but what they need to accept along with that is equal recognition. If we make a big deal about the fact that he's black, we will never look any deeper into him than the color of his skin.

Re:Maybe. Just Maybe (1)

Forbman (794277) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478843)

It does if he's the FIRST one. He'll be the only first one. Just like it'll be a big day when the first woman is elected president (sorry, Hillary supporters, it won't/shouldn't be her, but if it's a choice between Sarah Palin and Hillary...well...lesser of two evils prevails... At least Hillary was clever enough to hide most of her blind ambition behind Bill's).

The first Apollo landing was big news. The 7th one wasn't.

Re:One Last Question... Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477695)

Social Studies is what they should be doing to their behaviour about this inauguration.

Real has some nice streaming tools (1)

mariushm (1022195) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477663)

As title says, Real has a nice streaming server called Real Helix and a producer (tool that creates the stream and sends it to the server for other people to view from server) called Real Producer.

There is a free version for both Real Server and Real Producer Basic.

Here's the page:
http://www.realnetworks.com/products/free_trial.html [realnetworks.com] .

I believe you're not allowed to use the software commercially. As you use it for school and for noncommercial purposes you should be fine.
It may also be worth to send an email to Real because they may have discounts for educational licenses.
Anyway, Real Producer is about 100$

You just have to install the server on any computer with good network card because that's the computer that all classrooms will download the stream from. Your stream will be about 200-300KB/s for each user but you can change it as you want, for better or lower quality.

You install Real Producer on a somewhat powerful (a Core2Duo will be enough) computer with a TV tuner. Start the software, select the tv tuner as video and audio input, configure where to upload the stream and the bitrate and you're all set.

There are tutorials to help you on Real's website.

I've done this broadcasting football games at 80+ people in a college dormitory, on a 100mbps network so it definitely works.

Another alternative (though I didn't test this) would be to use an open source Flash streaming server like Red5 ( http://osflash.org/red5 [osflash.org] ) and use the free Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder 3 ( http://www.adobe.com/products/flashmediaserver/flashmediaencoder/ [adobe.com] ) to record and send the stream to the Flash server.

Re:Real has some nice streaming tools (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477741)

Also, don't forget VLC [videolan.org] ! It can capture, encode, stream, and play all in one package (and do so on virtually every platform under the sun).

Same problem solved here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26477759)

I am going to be doing this for our Board of Ed (6 schools) using a two bonded T1s. We are lucky that each school is connected via our own fiber network. So, here's what I'll be doing...

-VLC to a compatible feed (used the C-SPAN live feed as a test at 194kbps).
-Loaded it into VLC on a temporary server in a VLAN accessible by all clients.
-Set preferences to allow for maximum compatibility across client OS/players.
-Doing a little extended math, using 50% of a 1Gb connection, this setup can support about 2,500 clients. The net feed will only take a hit of one 194kb stream.

Use it all... (0, Redundant)

bigdaddy25fb (1166129) | more than 5 years ago | (#26477889)

If you have the tech and resources why not use it to its somewhat full potential. VLC will do a multicast broadcast. Just use that if your network can support it.

My high school. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26478073)

My old high school: http://www.lahigh.org/apps/news/show_news.jsp?REC_ID=81795&id=0&rn=4855263

And the gathering everyone into a large area (gym, cafeteria), then projecting is probably the most suitable..?

proxy, radio or tv (1)

modestgeek (1449921) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478095)

If you are on a school network, you most likely have a proxy of some sort. The proxies I've worked with can proxy streaming media. (Websense and Bluecoat) I would have a chat with your networking department to see what you're proxy is capable of. Otherwise, turn on the radio or tv. You don't have to use the internet for delivery.

Subject (1)

z-j-y (1056250) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478115)

finally, our students are forced to line up to listen to our dear leader's speech. just like in communist countries.

What's wrong with television? (1)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478253)

Or the PA system? Do you really need to see a speach? Sure, everyone wants to be watching when another president gets shot, but the chances of that are slim.

Perhaps you could capture an AVI or MOV file from the live broadcast, burn or copy it to a bunch of cd's or memory sticks and deliver it to classes.

Yes, I'm suggesting a sneakernet.

Here's an idea (2, Funny)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478545)

Why don't you just do whatever you did to stream the inauguration 4 years ago? Oh, wait.

Why isn't the inauguration on President's Day? (1)

cyberspittle (519754) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478661)

Seems to me if the inauguration was on Presidents Day in February (a national holiday), then schools wouldn't have to worry about streaming it. 8^D

Bring back the MBONE (1)

lobotomy (26260) | more than 5 years ago | (#26478663)

Multicasting could have solved this problem. Too bad the MBONE [wikipedia.org] died.
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