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Watch the Obama Inauguration With Moonlight

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the join-this-program-already-in-progress dept.

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bigmonachus writes "Miguel de Icaza has posted on his blog that linux users will be able to watch the Obama inauguration using Moonlight. Just go to the Moonlight download page to get it. He also said that some Microsoft engineers worked hard last night to make this happen."

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A point for MS (5, Insightful)

uberhipduck (910616) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527787)

And we thought all MS Engineers were evil. My hope in humanity has been restored.

Re:A point for MS (5, Funny)

Zerth (26112) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528151)

Nah, they just did it because they found out they were part of the 15,000 being laid off.

This all goes to show... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528297)

that anyone who doesn't like Micrsoft is racist.

Re:A point for MS (2, Interesting)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528585)

Did they change something in the presentation videothingy or did they added some support/fixes into moonlight? I'd assume the later which indeed was very nice of them :)

Re:A point for MS (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528795)

They are as good to Linux users as a fisherman is good to trout. Hey look free food.

Re:A point for MS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529395)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

It isn't Microsoft we have to worry about anymore, it's APPLE.

Apple is the most anti-open-source/anti-linux&bsd software company in business today.

Re:A point for MS (-1, Troll)

outZider (165286) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529889)

Yeah, okay.

Coward.

DO NOT INSTALL (4, Informative)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529845)

I do not know which extension is conflicting with the mono extension, but Firefox now takes over 4 minutes to start up, and the same amount of time to load google. I thought that it was locked up, but I decided to sit it out to see if it would work. It did, after four minutes! Kubuntu 8.04, Firefox 3.0.5.

I have a few extensions, so with 4+ minute startup times it is slow going finding out where the conflict is. I use the all in one sidebar, autoauth cookieculler, flashblock, link alert, locationbar limit, locationbar2, menu editor, no squint, openbook, repagination, scrapbook, searchwith, stylish, tagsifter, text link, tiny menu, tree style tab, vimperator, and web developer. If you use any of these, then be forewarned!

Or not (1, Insightful)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527789)

This is fairly low isn't it?
Using the climax of a massive democratic process to tie people to a monopolistic format just to show some stats how even Linux users have Moonlight so it is perfectly acceptable for this to become a new standard.

Re:Or not (5, Interesting)

someone300 (891284) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528059)

I love Linux and run it on many computers at home, and have never been particularly fond of Microsoft, but you really have to give this to them. It's more open than what Adobe have to offer and they're being far more cooperative than Adobe generally were. Remember, mono/moonlight are *open source*.. not even just a binary blob provided by Microsoft.

They've repeatedly helped the Mono developers and have truly made an effort to set a new precedent with many of their .NET technologies. In general, they're far more open (in specification and implementation) than their previous development efforts. Their new file formats aren't perfect, but they're certainly better than what came before.

I suppose that this, codeplex and their other efforts could be all a big plot to win mindshare from OSS developers and users and convert them to MS, then they'll break compatibility again, but really if they think that will succeed, they're living in a fairy tale world. Honestly, I do think this is an attempt to be a bit more cooperative, even for business reasons. The best thing we can do as Linux users is support actions that facilitate open platform and do our best to stifle technologies that are clearly an attempt to do the opposite. For example, if you work in a MS shop, try to get them to use their more open products over their closed ones.

What I think this is truly indicating is that OSS (and Apple) are hurting Microsoft's profit, and they're doing their best to hold their position in a more cross-platform market.

Re:Or not (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528375)

I suppose that this, codeplex and their other efforts could be all a big plot to win mindshare from OSS developers and users and convert them to MS, then they'll break compatibility again, but really if they think that will succeed, they're living in a fairy tale world.

Really? I see their Silverlight/moonlight cooperation as being the same strategy of DirectX/Internet Explorer, as a second chance to try and take over the Web once and for all.

I'm never installing anything from Microsoft again. And if your website requires it, you just lost a customer.

Re:Or not (2, Insightful)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528415)

I love Linux and run it on many computers at home, and have never been particularly fond of Microsoft, but you really have to give this to them. It's more open than what Adobe have to offer and they're being far more cooperative than Adobe generally were. Remember, mono/moonlight are *open source*.. not even just a binary blob provided by Microsoft.

More open that what Adobe has to offer? Microsoft isn't offering Moonlight, so that's not really a fair comparison. There have been open source Flash implementations for years. The only reason they aren't at feature parity with proprietary Flash is that Adobe actually releases it's software on Linux. Had they not, then Gnash would probably be much further along, if not at total feature parity. In essence you're giving credit to Microsoft for not releasing Silverlight for Linux.

Re:Or not (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528957)

No, the main reason the free flash implementations are lagging, is that they have been reverse engineering the format, unlike the Moonlight people, who have specs to work from.

There were specs for Flash too, but until very recently, the license for those specs specifically forbid using them to implement a viewer.

Because of this, even though flash player is the most crappy piece of software I've ever seen on any Linux machine, the free alternatives still haven't been able to beat it.

So yes, Microsoft has been more open. Not just more open, but so much more open that they ended up forcing Adobe to become more open. Competition
for the flash format is good, and Adobe opening up the specs after Silverlight appeared is proof of this.

Re:Or not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26530025)

I'd think that this, indeed, is a good thing. I'd prefer it, really, if Adobe didn't release binary blobs that work on few platforms out of the many that Linux supports (and none the *BSD do), and worked better on an open spec.

Now, if MS did publish a patent covenant not to sue, applying on all the tech used in Silverlight for the purpose of FOSS, that would really kill...

Re:Or not (1)

nahdude812 (88157) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529243)

How is it more open than Flash? The Flash spec is released by Adobe in case you missed it. Adobe also themselves provide a complete implementation.

They don't try to get open source developers to fill in the gaps for them for free, they put in the sweat and expense all alone. It also doesn't require last-minute quick fixes to make it work. This whole thing is exactly why Flash is a better platform for this than Silverlight.

I've got a live feed running from CNN right now which didn't require me to patch just in time to be able to use it for something real. Man, the fact that Moonlight wasn't ready for this before today only demonstrates the size of the gap between these technologies. Flash is mature, stable, and complete. Silver/Moonlight is new, poorly implemented, and wholly feels like a knee-jerk reaction to the sudden and very late realization by Microsoft's part that they have a real competitor.

Re:Or not (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529675)

Flash isn't free software though, which is the point here.

Re:Or not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529801)

Or video tags.
A lot better than two slow and crappy proprietary malware entry corridors.

Re:Or not (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529973)

I suppose that this, codeplex and their other efforts could be all a big plot to win mindshare from OSS developers and users and convert them to MS, then they'll break compatibility again, but really if they think that will succeed, they're living in a fairy tale world. Honestly, I do think this is an attempt to be a bit more cooperative, even for business reasons. The best thing we can do as Linux users is support actions that facilitate open platform and do our best to stifle technologies that are clearly an attempt to do the opposite.

The crux to this strategy of supporting "actions that facilitate open platform" is figuring out what really does this. Is what Microsoft doing really this?

Keep in mind that while Microsoft "repeatedly helped the Mono developers and have truly made an effort to set a new precedent with many of their .NET technologies," their CEO was talking about Linux violating Microsoft patents. There's no details to the allegation, of course. But it does make one very wary of accepting Microsoft's helping hand when you're not entirely sure what they're holding behind their back.

This does bring to mind other elephants in the patent portfolio world; none bigger than IBM themselves. The Sith Lord to Microsoft in the IT industry, if you will. A difference that I see in this case is that IBM is contributing code directly to various projects. I would imagine things would get a bit dicey in court if IBM tried to renege by claiming patent rights over code they had licensed themselves (even with IBM's fabled power lawyers).

So it's all fine and dandy that Microsoft wants to speak softly, smile, and pat the OSS world on the head. But I'm keen to see guarantees that the other hand doesn't hold a big club.

Re:Or not (2, Informative)

von_rick (944421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528355)

There are several news outlets airing the ceremony and streaming it live. Many of them work with basic flash. I watched about 10 minutes on Hulu before it got utterly boring. Silverlight/Moonlight is one among several ways to waste away your morning.

Re:Or not (2, Funny)

michrech (468134) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529043)

Well, Hulu *is* using Fox content for their coverage (having just checked it out myself). I'd find it boring, too!

Yea... That means alot. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26527811)

"Microsoft engineers worked hard last night to make this happen."

Didn't they say the same thing about Windows XP a week before release?

Re:Yea... That means alot. (4, Funny)

PinkyDead (862370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527847)

...and again a week after Vista was released.

Change but not all change is good... (1, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527837)

I am not sure why they just didn't use Flash. I guess Microsoft paid them a lot of money. At least with flash you have native support for Linux, Windows, Mac OS, Solaris, PowerPC Macs. With the GNU Flash equivalent you also allow some of the BSD guys to watch too.

While I am happy that they made an open source port so quickly however. It is just a hack for a one time occasion. For people with different needs will still be left out in the cold.

Re:Change but not all change is good... (5, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527893)

To be honest, between Silverlight/Moonlight and Flash, Silverlight/Moonlight is obviously the superior technology. It's also, ironically, the more open of the two.

And we've known for a long, long time that Flash was junk. It's just that now that Microsoft has their own competing technology, all of a sudden we're like "What's wrong with Flash?"

Seriously. Just because you or I may not like Microsoft, you have to give props where props are due.

Re:Change but not all change is good... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528065)

I understand your point that you are talking to the general slashdot crowd. But I personally have been on record neutral or favorable of flash.

be prepared to be modded to the floor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528359)

thou shalt not defame flash on Slashdot (even though the general Slashdot consensus is that flash is trash).

Re:Change but not all change is good... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528363)

To be honest, between Silverlight/Moonlight and Flash, Silverlight/Moonlight is obviously the superior technology. It's also, ironically, the more open of the two.

Do enlighten me, how is silverlight superior in such an obvious way? It's not as if flash was standing still for the last 4 years.
Do you honestly think mono will ever be on par to .NET? Not just talking about versions here. I mean really, have you even seen a program using winforms on linux, because it just looks broken most of the time(just as broken as 2 years ago).
Anyway have fun.

Re:Change but not all change is good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529439)

"Do enlighten me, how is silverlight superior in such an obvious way?"

.NET

Re:Change but not all change is good... (4, Informative)

The Cydonian (603441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26530041)

Built-in optimization for multimedia. Streams better. Go to the Singtel Grid Girls [singtelrace.com] site; you'll see 60 videos being loaded in one go (5 * 4 grid with three states for each girl). Not a Flash guy myself, but I'm told streaming it all is a bitch in Flash. Not so in Silverlight.

Re:Change but not all change is good... (1)

Kbac (1261080) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528671)

"What's wrong with Flash?"

I was never a big fan of Mr. Gordon myself, more of a ninja turtle kinda guy.

Re:Change but not all change is good... (3, Insightful)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528185)

It is just a hack for a one time occasion.

Ummm... I just took the ten seconds to install the Moonlight plugin for Firefox 3 (running under Ubuntu 8.04 i386). After I'm done watching the presidential inauguration, what precisely is stopping me from continuing to use the plugin to interact with other Silverlight-based content?

Listen, I'm a fairly serious open source developer myself, and I'm excited about a new technology that attempts to rectify some of the shortcomings we've all suffered from with Flash. Why can't you just give credit where it's due? Feel free to trot out your recent open source software engineering contributions...

Re:Change but not all change is good... (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528457)

Ummm... I just took the ten seconds to install the Moonlight plugin for Firefox 3 (running under Ubuntu 8.04 i386). After I'm done watching the presidential inauguration, what precisely is stopping me from continuing to use the plugin to interact with other Silverlight-based content?

I'm not saying it was done this way but the pesemistic side wants to think that the changes made might have been made in the streaming format specific to this event also. That would mean that after it's done with, it won't work for other things like it did this.

However, I have no proof of this, nor do I plan to look for it. I prefer to be the optimist but MS has failed on working well with others so many times that I can see something like that happening. Just get back with us when you use it successfully again and we will all know I'm wrong. It would make me so happy to be wrong but you asked what's stopping you so I gave a possible answer.

Re:Change but not all change is good... (2, Informative)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528463)

Ummm... I just took the ten seconds to install the Moonlight plugin for Firefox 3 (running under Ubuntu 8.04 i386). After I'm done watching the presidential inauguration, what precisely is stopping me from continuing to use the plugin to interact with other Silverlight-based content?

Perhaps other content requires features not yet implemented. Are they using DRM for the inauguration? I doubt it. Do most silverlight videos use DRM? Yes. That's kind of it's selling point right now due to Adobe's buggy easily circumvented DRM.

Re:Change but not all change is good... (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528243)

They went with something better than flash. It isn't as widely adopted but things like this will increase the rate it is adopted.

The new code MS developers contributed recently may have been quickly implemented, but it really is ignorant to the work that's been going on to refer to MoonLight as a quickly made port/hack. It's been in development since 2007. It's not for a one time occasion.

Re:Change but not all change is good... (1)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529071)

>I am not sure why they just didn't use Flash.
>I guess Microsoft paid them a lot of money.

Some Microsoft people just donated over $200,000 for the inauguration. Koinkidink? You decide.

Microsoft employees donate over $200,000 to Presidential Inauguration. Event to be broadcast via Silverlight. [aralbalkan.com]

The best way to watch the inauguration (4, Insightful)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527839)

I was on the National Mall for Bill Clinton's second inauguration, so let me suggest that the absolute best way to watch the Presidential inauguration is to watch it on the news that evening.

They'll cut out all the boring crap. You don't have to spend all morning standing around in the freezing cold. And you don't have to miss work.

Re:The best way to watch the inauguration (2, Funny)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528369)

And since it's at night, you could really watch it under moonlight!

Open Source ? (1)

pmarini (989354) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527851)

well, I guess that is what happens when the spec(ification)s for a technology are publicly available... you don't need the "lock-in" tool to use the technology, you can simply build your own...

<joke> time to start the nano-factories...

Re:Open Source ? (1)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528195)

Damnit, you're dashing the hopes of thousands of young engineers who so desperately something to reverse engineer! You are truly an insensitive clod.

MS makes a very compelling case (3, Insightful)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527859)

I just downloaded it, it was a 64-bit XPI.

Way easier than installing flash, now I am curious if it will work.

Additionally, the client is open source, and Adobe has wielded the software patent hammer in the past (against flash I think even). So it's not easy to call MS particularly the greater evil here.

Re:MS makes a very compelling case (3, Interesting)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528089)

Moonlight is open source, but the codecs are not - they are binary blobs written by (gulp) Microsoft. But for those living in patent-brain-damaged countries, it's about the least bad of several bad alternatives.

Adobe has done some 'evil' things but then so has every software company, even Google. I don't think that playing corporate melodrama, picking goodies and baddies, is a sensible way to decide what software to use. Judge whether you have freedom to use, share and change the software in each case. (For the Flash player the answer is clearly no, although Gnash is getting better.)

Re:MS makes a very compelling case (1)

conlaw (983784) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528685)

The install took me about 20 seconds, because I had to twice tell Firefox it was okay to download the program. Although I've been anti-Microsoft for several years, I have to give them kudos for this. Happy Say Goodbye to Dubya Day to everyone.

Silverlight is the way to go (5, Funny)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527945)

Silverlight is just a pleasure to program in. Being a subset of dotnet you have just a gazillion great classes at the top of your fingers for you to use in any language you want that just supports .NET.

Re:Silverlight is the way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529517)

Silverlight is just a pleasure to program in. Being a subset of dotnet you have just a gazillion great classes at the top of your fingers for you to use in any language you want that just supports .NET.

Virus writers and script kiddies agree.

Wow (1)

Yfrwlf (998822) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527947)

I almost swallowed my toothbrush seeing that headline. Wait wait, here's us Linux users rushing to view the Inaguration in a Microsoft format when we can view it in plenty of other formats instead...

.........

Good interpretation, I know. *bow* ^^

Re:Wow (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528479)

Is any news source streaming the ceremony in a truly open format? (One that doesn't require binary blobs to watch legally in the US.)

Oh God no! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26527949)

I don't need to see any more media masturbation at the mere mention of Obama.

Re:Oh God no! (0, Flamebait)

zeridon (846747) | more than 5 years ago | (#26527989)

I indeed second ...

What the hell is an inaguration (don't explain me i know) something boring, some speeches, some ... stupid stuff. I really don't care about this shit. I care almost that much who the US president is. So ... PLEASE cut the crap.

Re:Oh God no! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528409)

Oh please. Give it a rest.

It is a historic occasion in that the first African American president of the United States is being inaugurated.

Millions of African Americans are witnessing something that many of them never in their wildest dreams believed they'd see in their lifetimes.

I didn't vote for the man, regardless of that he won, and as of this afternoon he will be my president. I am happy to witness this historic moment myself and I am happy for those people for whom this event is a dream come true.

Re:Oh God no! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528939)

Are you sure that we haven't already had an African American president? Is the color of the skin what truly defines being African American or is it ancestry? I've seen articles (like this [diversityinc.com] ) that discuss several past presidents with African American heritage.
  • Jefferson, who served two terms between 1801 and 1809, was described as the "son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father,"
  • President Andrew Jackson was the son of an Irish woman who married a black man.
  • Lincoln was said to have been the illegitimate son of an African man
  • President Warren Harding, the 29th president, had black ancestors between both sets of parents.
  • Coolidge, the nation's 30th president, served between 1923 and 1929 and supposedly was proud of his heritage.

While Obama may be the first dark skinned African American, applying the "first African American president" to him could be seen as discounting the heritage of past presidents.

Mij

Re:Oh God no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529085)

This leads to the question of "how black" does one need to be to be considered "African American". President Obama, regardless of the percentage of his heritage, represents a real change in the diverse culture of the country. He may not be the "first African American" president but he represents overcoming the barrier many African Americans face. - MD

Re:Oh God no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529791)

It happens every 4 years big deal!

Re:Oh God no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529837)

Oh please. Give it a rest.

It is a historic occasion in that the first African American president of the United States is being inaugurated.

True.

But Walter Cronkite didn't act like he wanted to slobber Neil Armstrong's knob when Apollo 11 landed on the moon.

And that event had a helluva lot more historical significance than Barack Obama. Despite the narcissism of "Yes we can" and "we are the ones we've been waiting for", a thousand years from now Obama will be at best remembered like some random Egyptian Pharaoh. In other words, not much at all.

Yet Neil Armstrong will forever be the first human to walk on another celestial body.

Yet the media is swooning in self-indulgent arrogance at Barack Obama.

And if his African-American heritage is so damn important, why the hell does that same media hurl so much vitriol at black Americans like Clarence Thomas?

So let's cut the bullshit. The celebration over Obama's inauguration is a partisan circle-jerk, and the biggest partisans are the media. Because the orgasmic Obamatrons need to get over their "Yes we can!" selves and their historic footnote.

Bitter (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26527981)

Miguel and a bunch of Microsoft employees worked late last night to make all of this happen, which was very considerate. This is a nice thing to do for linux users around the world.

Of course I don't think any of them imagined that it would have any effect on the bitterness over at Slashdot.

Re:Bitter (1)

volsung (378) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528053)

Self-selection bias. The people most likely to hit the reply button will be angry, bitter and/or annoyed.

Re:Bitter (1)

NoTheory (580275) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528173)

Of course I don't think any of them imagined that it would have any effect on the bitterness over at Slashdot.

And i'm sure that they, like myself, were totally shocked at the rising of the sun again today. Can you imagine the odds!

TBH, i'm surprised to find so many positive comments (i, semi-jokingly, wonder about astroturfing).

Re:Bitter (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 5 years ago | (#26530077)

I'm sure Microsoft employees work hard every day on (almost) everything that Microsoft produces. I'm not sure why this would be considered remarkable or especially praise-worthy for Linux users.

Three words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528011)

No thank you.

Two words. (1)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528203)

Why not?

One word. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528353)

Because.

Hulu is advertising; they're Flash (1)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528063)

Hulu is advertising the inauguration live. Will they be using Silverlight for this, too, or will they use the traditional Flash player??

Re:Hulu is advertising; they're Flash (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528341)

They're showing Fox News right now. It's Flash.

Barack on your mobile ? (1)

pmarini (989354) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528111)

not sure if you noticed, but if I try to write Barack in a text message, it comes out as Capabl, must mean something, right ?

on a less jolly note (and to stay on-topic), I guess that using Flash technology would have allowed many mobile users also to watch this on-the-go, as I don't believe that a "portable" SilverLight client exists so far, am I right ?

Re:Barack on your mobile ? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528515)

Silverlight Mobile is coming soon to Windows Media and other devices such as anything based on Series 60.

The demos I've seen look good, although not sure how it handles video.

Saying that I've never seen Flash work on my mobile (Nokia N95 8GB), its meant to have Flash Lite but it just never seems to do anything.

If I want to watch a nigger swear on a bible... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528123)

If I want to watch a nigger swear on a bible I'll just go to court.

WHY ?! (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528245)

i can do it much easier without downlading anything at http://edition.cnn.com/video/fb/facebook.html?stream=stream1 [cnn.com]

it comes with a 1-2 million crowded facebook event to boot.

Re:WHY ?! (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528565)

I just followed your link and it said something about having to install some octoset improvement plugin or something for flash. I refused to install it and the video and all plays perfectly fine.

You have any idea what the hell that is and why it claims it is needed when it obviously isn't? It sort of sounds like it might be some sort of spyware or something. I don't trust CNN anymore then I do Fox or any other mass news company.

Re:WHY ?! (1)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528781)

It's probably the facebook crap that causes that. Facebook is blocked at work and the video feed still works.

yes (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529209)

octoshape thingy may be the distributed video thingamajig i think.

Re:WHY ?! (1)

Lulfas (1140109) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529797)

Just don't let it install and give it a sec. The video will still pop right up.

Re:WHY ?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529065)

Really? How?

Because from here it looks like I'd need to download the crappy proprietary Flash plugin that keeps crashing my browser. Why would I do that, when I can use an open source program like Moonlight?

aaah (0, Flamebait)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529175)

around 100.000 people (and more) as of this moment are using that crappy proprietary flash plugin without any issues. if your browser keeps crashing, you have a problem. this is much easier than downloading another program and set it up, even if its (supposedly) open source.

I'm on a PowerPC Mac you insensitive clod (1)

Charles Dodgeson (248492) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528265)

And there doesn't appear to be a moonlight port for OS X.

Re:I'm on a PowerPC Mac you insensitive clod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528389)

sucks to use a proprietary platform, doesn't it? Oh well, guess you should have thought of that before you bought it. Live and learn ;-)

Re:I'm on a PowerPC Mac you insensitive clod (1)

LizardKing (5245) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528393)

According to Miguel's post, there was also "MacOS/PPC streaming". Don't know why the stream has to be architecture and OS specific, or whether he really meant that the same code that enabled the Linux/x86 port to reach this point has also contributed to an OS X port.

Re:I'm on a PowerPC Mac you insensitive clod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529073)

According to Miguel's post, there was also "MacOS/PPC streaming". Don't know why the stream has to be architecture and OS specific, or whether he really meant that the same code that enabled the Linux/x86 port to reach this point has also contributed to an OS X port.

Mac PowerPC users can watch the event using Silverlight 1 - all platforms consume the same media stream.

Currently, there is no port available of Moonlight for OS X on PPC.

- Tom Taylor | Microsoft Silverlight

cnn.com/live is using Flash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528287)

http://www.cnn.com/live is using Flash

Flash? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26528431)

Why not just use flash like the BBC [bbc.co.uk] ?

Or is that far too simple?

No moonlight for the secound comming (0)

baomike (143457) | more than 5 years ago | (#26528827)

I don't think I would watch the secound comming if I had to use moonlight.
MSFT is is just to evil to compomise with.

Another option for Linux users (2, Interesting)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529143)

TV. It seems to work everywhere. I'm guessing it will be broadcast live in several countries, and even when it's not, the evening news will have the summary.

And of course, YouTube will have the speech later today.

I don't think waiting a few hours presents any sort of hardship.

If you want to watch the stream... (3, Informative)

knarf (34928) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529149)

You can also just use vlc: vlc 'http://msstudios-chan2-wsx.wm.llnwd.net/msstudios_chan1_wsx?MSWMExt=.asf' or vlc 'http://87.248.216.216:80/msstudios_chan1_wsx?MSWMExt=.asf'

This way you get fullscreen, stutter-free sound and video without agreeing to any license agreements or burning a hole in your processor... and you don't have to install anything besides vlc (but that was already installed, wasn't it?)

it doesn't work afterall... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529165)

I installed the plugin. it is 1.0, the offical stream requires 2.0. You still have to find a different source to watch the inauguration. I have uninstalled the plugin. I hope it didn't leave anything behind.

Re:it doesn't work afterall... (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529679)

Yep, all this fanfare for nothing.

non-FOSS Codecs (1)

The River (1335603) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529223)

Although it's great that we have Moonlight as an open source implementation of Silverlight, it seems that it downloads a non-FOSS codec in order to play the video that's currently being aired on the site.

Crashes my firefox. (1)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529235)

Installed it, and when I go back to that page, my browser crashes. This honestly makes a lot of sense when I hear that that rushed to get it out. It's to be expected.

Ah well. I'll install it again in four years.

Linux users - use this page! (3, Informative)

yossarianuk (1402187) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529325)

http://www.pic2009.org/page/content/linuxplayer [pic2009.org] - works fine moonlight link - http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ [go-mono.com]

Re:Linux users - use this page! (1)

snadrus (930168) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529893)

These links work great for me in Ubuntu 8.10/FF ! The frequent pauses look a little .. Slashdotted

Can anyone provide proof that it works? (1)

Protocron (611778) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529377)

I downloaded and installed it, and it worked perfectly as far as I can tell. But I can't find a link that says: "This content is SilverLight!!!" And then the video.. So I see content playing. Content that I found searching for silverlight and video. But nothing that is obvious. If it does work as advertised, then heck (never thought I'd say it), Good on you Microsoft!

doesn't work (2, Informative)

Upsilonish (1250840) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529459)

"Moonlight was compiled with 1.0 support only. This page requires 2.0 support."
oops?

Re:doesn't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529787)

That's what Moonlight currently displays when trying to load Silverlight 2 content. Click on the link right below that which says something to the effect of "Silverlight player for Linux", which is the Silverlight 1 / Moonlight 1-compatible player.

Re:doesn't work (1)

Zwoop (35471) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529853)

Hmmm, worked for me, after I clicked on the link at the bottom saying something in the line with "Linux compatible player". It then went ahead and asked if I wanted to install the Codec, which I did, and then it worked fine (watching it right now).

Re:doesn't work (1)

neowolf (173735) | more than 5 years ago | (#26530119)

Ditto. Glad they at least TRIED to get it to work.

My company blocks all streaming video anyway, so I'm just going to have to resort to watching it on TV in the conference room...

It doesn't work for me. (1)

JacobSteelsmith (911307) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529535)

I installed the plugin using the link in the summary for Firefox 3.0.5 on x86_64 and restarted the browser. When I go to http://www.pic2009.org/page/content/live [pic2009.org] I get the message "Moonlight was compiled for 1.0 support only. This page requires 2.0 support. I don't care to watch the inauguration, just was curious to see if it really worked.

I'm watching using Moonlight now. Observations... (1)

Derge (683339) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529641)

It installed easily and with little effort. It seems to work pretty well. The video looks fine. The sound seems to be really good, but it is hard to tell for sure because I don't have anyway to compare it. After installing Moonlight, I visited silverlight.net in order to run some demos. None of the four that I tried actually worked. They either indicated that I needed to install Silverlight or that I needed a different version of Silverlight. As for the inauguration video, you have to click a special link on the web page to use the "Linux-compatible Silverlight Player." Two observations about that: How useful is Moonlight if the web developer has to do more work or otherwise Linux users will not be able to view the content? Also, isn't it kind of cool that the Presidential Inaugural Committee went to all that trouble to support Linux? Really, that is pretty cool. What do you all think?

Re:I'm watching using Moonlight now. Observations. (1)

The Cydonian (603441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26530113)

Moonlight can never be a substitute for Silverlight. They just back-ported the stream from SL 2.0 to SL 1.0 to get it running this time around.

You're right about the Linux hack though; the fact that they pulled this off this fast is quite a feat myself. Extreme, clanky balls made out of brass as well; if I was leading the effort at such a high-profile website, I'd have enforced a code-freeze at least a week earlier. (May be that's why I'm not in that position. Hmmmm.)

doesn't work, hehe :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529663)

The video page shows:
Moonlight was compiled with 1.0 support only.
This page requires 2.0 support.

M$ FAILS AGAIN !

Re:doesn't work, hehe :) (1)

King Monkeyman (973022) | more than 5 years ago | (#26529781)

The video page shows: Moonlight was compiled with 1.0 support only. This page requires 2.0 support.

M$ FAILS AGAIN !

Well, there's a linux-compatible tab at the bottom that DOES work. If by work, you mean eat up 75% of your cpu cycles after showing 10 seconds of streaming video and then freezing. (Kubuntu 8.10, FF 3.05) Oh well, no harm done, I'll just uninstall it and get back to work...

Flashblock equivalent for silverlight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26529951)

I'm not installing any silverlight or faux-silverlight moonlight crap until there's an equivalent plugin as there is for flash: flashblock. Sorry.
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