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Is Microsoft Improving Its Image?

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the sure-couldn't-get-worse dept.

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nk497 writes "Writer makes the case that Windows 7 is a turning point for Microsoft, and we all might start liking them soon ... 'While it's not winning everyone over, there are real signs that Microsoft has taken criticisms on board where it matters most: in the software and services that it provides. The idea of a faster, slimmer Windows is one that most Vista owners would automatically put on their wishlist, and it seems that Microsoft has genuinely done something about it. It's not just reignited interest in the Windows product line, but it's got users appreciating a fresh approach from Microsoft as well.'"

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Duh (3, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#26545977)

Windows XP = lean
Windows Vista = fat
Windows 7 = leaner than Vista = Windows XP

Or so people keep saying (about XP and Vista).

Back to square one?

Re:Duh (5, Insightful)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546017)

You know, it's funny, maybe 5 or 6 years ago it would've been:

Windows 2000 = lean
Windows XP = bloated

Re:Duh (5, Insightful)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546075)

Almost every operating system has gone through this. All the Linux distributions are "bloated" compared with what we had several years ago. The latest Mac OS X is bloated compared with the prior ones. It happens when you keep adding more and more.

Re:Duh (4, Funny)

wITTus (856003) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546191)

All the Linux distributions are "bloated" [...]

My Gentoo is not.

Re:Duh (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546527)

but your fat face probably is.

Re:Duh (5, Insightful)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546237)

All the Linux distributions are "bloated" compared with what we had several years ago.

But we can uninstall the bloat.

Re:Duh (3, Insightful)

ThrowAwaySociety (1351793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546249)

All the Linux distributions are "bloated" compared with what we had several years ago.

Some more than others, but at least Linux is easy enough to pare down.

The latest Mac OS X is bloated compared with the prior ones.

Perhaps technically, but there has also been extraordinary progress in optimization with succcessive OS X releases. If you have an older Mac, you'd almost always be better off running 10.3 or 10.4 than you would running 10.1 (which managed to be both feature-poor and hardware-intensive.)

Re:Duh (1, Interesting)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546539)

And it's also one of the main features of 10.6.

I wonder how far they'll be able to go with that. To me, OS X 10.5 is basically XP requirements with the level of Vista's features already. (and yes, with Windows 7 cutting some cruft and adding a "dock", it's getting even more similar to OS X)

Re:Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546277)

The question is what you get for your cpu cycles and drive space. I would still call XP bloated due to all the crap software (Outlook express, netmeeting, video editor, messanger etc. etc.) that requires some serious hacking to remove.

It's just that I've learned how to do it, and to shut down meaningless services, purge the registry and so on, so it no longer is so bloated.

Some linux distros are the same, but others start in a pretty clean state and lets you pick your own bloat ware, so to speak.

Re:Duh (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546117)

MS-DOS = lean

Windows 1.0 = bloated

(This is mfh [slashdot.org] posting as AC to avoid the karmic nicely hurting damage and such.)

Re:Duh (0, Offtopic)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546231)

Shut the fuck up about karma hits. Post like a man, and take the hit, you pussy! If your other posts make sense it will all balance out!

Re:Duh (4, Funny)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546369)

Your post gave me this image of two "Macho" slashdotters proving their manhood by posting shit to get modded down:

user #1 "Apple is for fags!"

User #2: Microsoft never did anything wrong. People who complain about their business practices are just cry babies!"

User #1: "Oh yeah!? Well, Linux Sucks!"

User #2: Cowers away from being beaten.

Re:Duh (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546465)

AC = lean
Gizzmonic = fat

Face it!

Re:Duh (1)

Hordeking (1237940) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546147)

MS-DOS = Lean Windows 3.1 = Fat

Re:Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546325)

Windows 5.0 = lean
Windows 5.1 = bloated

Windows 6.0 = crippled
Windows 6.1 = 7

Re:Duh (5, Insightful)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546327)

You know, it's funny, maybe 5 or 6 years ago it would've been:

Windows 2000 = lean Windows XP = bloated

Well, yes - because XP has been around for so long, hardware has overtaken it.

The other thing was that many people (probably the majority) skipped Win2K and the upgrade was straight from 98/ME to XP, so the extra "bloat" was justified by the move from a Mickey Mouse DOS-descended operating system to something substantially more solid.

Re:Duh (2, Interesting)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546571)

XP *has* gotten pretty bloated.

Back in the SP1 days, you could run XP acceptably on 256MB of RAM, and pretty decently on 512. Today, 512 feels cramped, and is the bare minimum I'd recommend for running SP3 and all the security patches.

1GB is a more reasonable minimum if you actually want to use apps. Firefox 3 is hungry enough that it'll use up 100-300MB if you have a lot of tabs open, so you really do need at *least* 1GB to run the OS plus just a web browser, which is really pretty minimal in terms of applications.

Re:Duh (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546105)

Windows XP = lean Windows Vista = fat Windows 7 = Windows Vista after a year with Richard Simmons

There, fixed that for you

Re:Duh (2, Insightful)

kainewynd2 (821530) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546121)

Windows XP = lean Windows Vista = fat Windows 7 = leaner than Vista = Windows XP

Or so people keep saying (about XP and Vista).

Back to square one?

Uh, no.

NT = lean
2000 = Average
XP = Overweight
Vista = Obese

At least they've been consistent though!

Ugh...

Re:Duh (2, Insightful)

YayaY (837729) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546141)

Still, Windows Vista has much more features than WinXP

Re:Duh (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546211)

Yeah, but those features eat up resources. So if one doesn't use them they are a negative factor. Outside support for new drivers (and other requirements) I can't think of anything that has been added to windows since NT that I actually USE. The only reason I ever upgrade is because either (a) a program I want to run needs a newer version or (b) a piece of hardware I want to use needs a newer version.
 
So more features is not always a plus.

Re:Duh (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546151)

What a horrible attempt to use logic. IQ tests ask questions just like this and you would fail. Jennifer Aniston = lean Oprah Winfrey = fat Kathy Griffen = leaner than Oprah Winfrey = Jennifer Aniston?

Re:Duh (2, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546227)

The problem is: Windows 7 != leaner than Vista.

It only feels that way because they cleaned a few things up.

Re:Duh (1)

Splintax (828933) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546357)

What exactly do you mean? Surely if it feels leaner, it is leaner for all intents and purposes (except for disk usage, I guess).

Re:Duh (2, Funny)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546537)

Does it really matter how it feels? I'm offended knowing that bits are being wasted - and Microsoft probably doesn't even recycle them. When the global bit shortage caused by this profligate waste means no one can do any more computing, will you still be making excuses?

Re:Duh (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546403)

In terms of memory consumption, you're probably right.

But with RAM and HD capacity as cheap as it is, a few performance improvements will be enough to make Windows 7 OK for most new PCs. Only for netbooks it might still be too overweight.

Re:Duh (4, Insightful)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546463)

Exactly, Windows 7 == Vista SP3

Chris Flores from the Windows Vista Team Blog said [windowsteamblog.com] ,
"One of our design goals for Windows 7 is that it will run on the recommended hardware we specified for Windows Vista and that the applications and devices that work with Windows Vista will be compatible with Windows 7."

So how exactly will Win7 fit on your Dell Mini 9? It won't, Microsoft just figures if they lie often enough there will be enough suckers who believe it.

Re:Duh (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546563)

Since when doesn't cleaning things up make an OS leaner? Since it became Microsoft property?

Re:Duh (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546483)

Back to square one?

Nope, because it's the first time in OS history they've tried to make an OS leaner.

New! with 50% less stink! (1, Insightful)

kpainter (901021) | more than 5 years ago | (#26545979)

It seems that Windows 7 is still a lot like Vista to me.

Re:New! with 50% less stink! (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546107)

In what ways, exactly?

Re:New! with 50% less stink! (1)

kpainter (901021) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546389)

It is just like Vista but with some improvements that should be in Vista that M$ is going make people pay for.

Re:New! with 50% less stink! (0)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546585)

In a million ways perhaps? Mind you that the point here is not for better or for worse but that they do look similar. Try to see beyond the "skin" and you'd come to the conclusion that the panel has been on the bottom bearing the start menu button on its left side. The window borders have the _ [ ] [X] buttons on the right end and on the left you have the application icon that brings down a window properties drop down menu. Upon right clicking the desktop, which looks more or less the same, you will get a drop down menu that bears almost the same options as Win95 did. If you look around you'll notice that many things are similar to all previous Windows version starting Win95, and if you don't you need to try harder before replying to this post. In fact, the proportion changes made between Win 3.11 and Win95 have still not been topped, but ever since each new Windows version is very much similar to the previous, even though XP broke the chain of functionality over vanity with the shittiest default theme yet to come, it was still very much similar since even though you repaint your car, it's still remains the same car.

Re:New! with 50% less stink! (0, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546201)

Think of the progression as:

Clinton == XP : The best one of the three who made the best use of resources but was muscled out my some goons.

G.W. Bush == Vista : By far the worst. All hat and no cattle, bloated, frequently went on vacation while on the job, in the pocket of special interests, and crammed down our throats. No coincidence, then, that it was codenamed "longhorn".

Obama == 7 : Quite possibly the flashiest and most hopeful, known for being better than Vista but not as good as the glory days of XP before the "9/11" of DRM/trusted computing/BallmerCheney's grasp.

Re:New! with 50% less stink! (2, Funny)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546367)

Think of the progression as: Clinton == XP : The best one of the three who made the best use of resources but was muscled out my some goons. G.W. Bush == Vista : By far the worst. All hat and no cattle, bloated, frequently went on vacation while on the job, in the pocket of special interests, and crammed down our throats. No coincidence, then, that it was codenamed "longhorn". Obama == 7 : Quite possibly the flashiest and most hopeful, known for being better than Vista but not as good as the glory days of XP before the "9/11" of DRM/trusted computing/BallmerCheney's grasp.

By that logic Bush senior is windows 2000. I don't think you thought this through.

Re:New! with 50% less stink! (1)

kpainter (901021) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546461)

By that logic Bush senior is windows 2000. I don't think you thought this through.

No, Bush #1 was WindowsME

Re:New! with 50% less stink! (1)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546519)

By that logic Bush senior is windows 2000. I don't think you thought this through.

No, Bush #1 was WindowsME

Nope Dan Quayle was Windows ME.

RE:Is Microsoft Improving Its Image? (5, Funny)

m93 (684512) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546011)

"and we all might start liking them soon..."

Hi. You must be new here...

First Post (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546015)

Though, since I am using Windows 7 beta, it might take a little while...

bollocks (2)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546019)

The authors here are just having a laugh, aren't they?

Re:bollocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546551)

These types of stories are written by people who want to look insightful and helpful, but who had no insight or assistance to offer.

just a pig with lipstick (3, Insightful)

Zecheus (1072058) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546053)

Has reviews of Windows 7 said anything other than: 'this is a prettier hog than vista, but still a hog.'? If so, I would agree, the image is improving, at least.

Probably more along the lines... (3, Insightful)

Darundal (891860) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546055)

...of them trying to take control of their image, as opposed to letting it be defined by journalists/other people with opinions/competing companies.

No (4, Funny)

mfh (56) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546067)

The Jerry ads destroyed MSFT's already fucked up image, by making it more fucked up.

In order to get their image repaired they have to embrace Linux, and Open Source and then they can claim to be pioneers again, like when they pioneered a UI based OS by copying Apple.

Re:No (5, Funny)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546547)

like when they pioneered a UI based OS by copying Apple.

You misspelled Xerox.

but (3, Informative)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546069)

But isn't Windows 7 just a service pack for Vista? From what's been touted about it doesn't look and leaner or meaner they've just put some speed improvements into the UI to make it look faster.

The majority of the stuff under the hood is still vista so people will probably have the same problems.

Re:but (1)

Psilax (1297141) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546161)

It's kind of a service pack, and they just removed the possibility of using a slimmer UI so it just looks faster because your doing something new. I don't have high hopes for windows 7 but it looks beter than Vista, but then again when i'm drunk some women also look beter.

Re:but (2, Insightful)

xlotlu (1395639) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546433)

But isn't Windows 7 just a service pack for Vista?

Of course it isn't. You can't cash billions from a service pack.

Re:but (4, Insightful)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546587)

that's a pretty clever ploy when you think about it. Vista is way too bloated for current machines, which has been a major hindrance to widespread adoption. but by waiting for consumer desktops to catch up to Vista's hardware requirements, they can appear to have developed a faster OS simply be re-releasing Vista under a different name with some slight UI modifications. and by the time Windows 7 is released it'll be as stable as an OS that's been out for 4-5 years.

No. Microsoft Goal is unchanged. (5, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546083)

Microsoft's goal is to be like cable TV.

You pay about $50 a month to use their O/S. And then you pay an extra $10 a month for Word, or get the Premium package with Word, Excel, and Access for $20.

Is this where you want to be in 5 years?

I prefer to own, not rent my own PC.
I prefer to own, not rent my applications.

I want my applications to be mine and my data to be mine so that I do not lose access to them arbitrarily.

Microsoft is a big scammy company that provides extremely easy to use products that work reasonably well.
I don't like them as a company but I can deal with that.
I do like their ease of use and will miss it but the free competition is now only a couple years behind microsoft (and gaining).

But I won't be lead to market to slaughter and end up renting their OS and applications at the rates they desire.

Re:No. Microsoft Goal is unchanged. (2, Insightful)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546423)

Throwing arbitrary (and high) numbers out there isn't going to convince people you are right. If you want people to buy in to what you're saying, try to be more realistic or at least make it clear that your cost estimates are made up off the top of your head.

Anyway, this model really isn't all that different than what you're doing now. You don't own software now, you own licenses. And you do own licenses with today's model, but in the end is how you use them so different than your vision? You buy your license for as long as that version of Windows is useful, then buy another. In terms of net cost, they aren't going to be able to get away with the end result costing much more than it does today.

Time limited licenses are already the way of business applications. Companies don't "arbitrarily" lose access to the tools. If they allow the license to expire, they can't use it anymore. It isn't like one day they suddenly have no access anymore.

And you say you prefer to own your data? No shit? Are you implying that somehow this new version of windows is going to steal your data and give you access only when it wants? Once again, if you want people to take you seriously.. quit making shit up.

Re:No. Microsoft Goal is unchanged. (2, Insightful)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546447)

Microsoft really isn't a monopoly anymore. It's easy for a home computer user to switch to a Mac or to get a Linux PC from Dell or HP. Also, it's easy for them to download and install OpenOffice.

So how exactly is Microsoft supposed to implement their software rental fantasy?

Easy Reason. (0, Flamebait)

Erris (531066) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546479)

Microsoft ... provides extremely easy to use products that work reasonably well.

Local definitions of "easy" and "reason" vary widely by circumstances. For instance, a 32 F room temperature is considered easy when it does not melt your walls and raw seal eyes are a reasonable meal in a place where you can't grow crops. Windows may be easy and reasonable compared to a naked PC with an assembler handbook, but the rest of us would rather a 15 minute GNU/Linux install and freedom.

Re:No. Microsoft Goal is unchanged. (1)

Federico2 (792815) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546489)

Buying an application has nothing to do with "owning" it. Read the EULA: you are not the owner.

It's been more than 20 years since closed-source software vendors started forcing they customers to update (read: buy a new release) their applications by constantly changing file formats.

I wonder if (1)

pmarini (989354) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546087)

we should do like the sicilians (people from Sicily) and never forget all the bad things that Microsoft has done
or
we should do like the Cylons and come back at them with a twist
or
we should do like Obama and simply ignore them and go to the next big thing: Open Source

That, my friend, is the question :0(

Hmmm. (1)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546101)

The author might have a point.

But it will take a hell of a lot to make me forget the last two decades of monopolistic and agressive business tactics.

And it will take an awful lot more to make me use their SW when there are free alternatives that suit my needs.

This is only being done to save their tanking reputation and sales, do not imagine for a moment MS would be doing this if Vista had performed better.

And lets be plain, they are not allowing people to play with it out of the goodness of their kindly heart - they want people to test it and find the bugs for them on one hand whilst they try and seduce corporate business with the other.

Is Microsoft Improving Its Image? (1, Redundant)

Muad'Dave (255648) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546127)

No. Next question?

In other news (1, Insightful)

MarkusQ (450076) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546129)

Writer makes the case that Windows 7 is a turning point for Microsoft, and we all might start liking them soon...

Perhaps. I've also heard that Cheney being wheeled around in a wheel chair makes him more likable. And somebody said that Lindsy Lohan's new hairdo made her look smarter.

I guess only time will tell if any of these pan out.

--MarkusQ

Re:In other news (3, Funny)

jalet (36114) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546517)

> I've also heard that Cheney being wheeled around in a wheel chair makes him more likable.

When I saw him, I don't know exactly why, but this reminded me of Dr Strangelove...

Better than XP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546133)

But it's still Windows. When trying to install it I ran into all of the usual problems I have due to the backwards drive letter design. At its core, it's still the same junk.

Excited about a new OS release? (4, Insightful)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546135)

It has been awhile since I've been excited about upgrading to a new OS. Why should I go to Windows 7? I just haven't seen the feature jump with the latest windows versions that seemed to happen between earlier versions.

Is Slashdot Improving its Image? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546139)

Wow an article on Slashdot that doesn't say Microsoft is a total failure at everything it does. For a second I thought Slashdot was the one starting to change, but then I read the replies...

Re:Is Slashdot Improving its Image? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546443)

Why - big, bad Slashdot picking on your Microsoft idol?

Re:Is Slashdot Improving its Image? (1, Troll)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546579)

Why - big, bad Slashdot picking on your Microsoft idol?

In many parts of the Developing World, Bill Gates is their idol. They admire and want to be like him. Regardless of what you think about his business practices, he, along with his partners, did create a software powerhouse that standardized and commoditized the PC industry allowing computers to be affordable to greater portion of the populace.

Whereas, here in the US, we idolize: pop stars, athletes, Joe the Plumber, and others who are famous for being famous.

Do we idolize scientists or people who make a positive difference? Nope. We idolize folks who are great at throwing balls and getting drunk.

Although, this fascination with President Obama has given me some hope.

P.S. Mozilla needs to ad "Obama" to the spell checker. Thank you.

Only to some (3, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546145)

For my part, Microsoft will only improve its image when they remove DRM support from the OS and its bundled applications (IE, Media Player).

Re:Only to some (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546475)

Considering Microsoft makes a fortune licensing their DRM, I wouldn't hold my breath. If anything, they'd just remove support for externally developed DRM, giving them a de facto monopoly on PC DRM.

Yes (5, Insightful)

Toreo asesino (951231) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546165)

Microsoft donates to Apache [sdtimes.com]
Microsoft donates to moonlight [slashdot.org]
Microsoft supports ODF [infoworld.com]
IE to be standards compliant by default [arstechnica.com]
Microsoft assist SAMBA team with interop [infoworld.com] ...and of course, the "Windows 7 might actually be rather good" article in TFA.

Maybe; just maybe, Microsoft isn't the evil machine some slashdotters make out.

Re:Yes (3, Interesting)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546439)

IE to be standards compliant by default

That was because Opera forced them to [opera.com] , not because they wanted to look like nice guys. They just didn't want more fines.

Re:Yes (1)

Toreo asesino (951231) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546567)

You might want to consider the source of that news item. IE standard have gotten much better since IE6 (not hard, admittedly), so a full compliance by their own accord isn't completely beyond the realms of reality.

Re:Yes (1)

Splintax (828933) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546561)

What are you talking about?! We'll keep bashing Microsoft on Slashdot until it open-sources all its software, eliminates all DRM, donates all profits to open-source projects, and gives every Slashdotter a blowjob.

A little early, isn't it? (5, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546167)

WOLF! WOLF!

Maybe we should wait until, you know, Windows 7 actually comes out to find if it's the best thing since sliced bread or the worst thing since Gitmo. Vista was supposed to be the awesome super duper OS everyone would love that would make everyone want to give Ballmer hugs for, but it turned out to (from what I read) be a stinking pile of dogshit.

Frankly, given their history at Microsoft, I have no doubt to give them the benefit of. They're going to have to deliver a slim, fast, stable OS and I'll actually have to try it before I believe a word of it.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Microsoft is going to have to prove itself.

Re:A little early, isn't it? (5, Funny)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546301)

The beta has been out for a while, you know.

They are learning and changing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546183)

Being a .NET developer I am very aware of many of the inner workings of Microsoft that some outside of their technology don't see.

Over the past few years they are doing things differently. They have started to release free software for developers (Visual Studio Express) and users (Windows Live Writer and other Live services). Then if you have a look at their offerings compared to Google, you see that when Microsoft puts focus on a product it out performs.

Microsoft Maps, is better than Google Maps if you don't need the street view. Their Bird's eye view is awesome.

Microsoft Image search has a much prettier UI than Google, though the overall 'search' weakness compared to Google still hampers it.

Microsoft has started to embrace open source projects, both from internal Microsoft employee's to offering support for non-Microsoft owned projects. They have taken many of their critics in the Microsoft world and put them on payroll in key positions that has led to a much friendlier Microsoft.

Then with all of this you take the growing 'evilness' of Google and it makes Microsoft look not so bad.

People will say whatever they want (2, Interesting)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546193)

People will say whatever they want- on slashdot, that will be MS bashing and MS loving. But think about this honestly, and answer honestly- I think it is helping.

I, for one, prefer windows over linux, and the thought that Windows 7 is better than vista makes me excited to try it. My main machine is still XP, but I've got Vista at work and on my laptop, and I just can't stand it. Anybody who says vista is good is somebody who only tries websurfing- not actually trying to get something done.

Now, if only they got rid of the pesky sys requirements of windows. I don't want to need 4gb of RAM minimum to get things running smoothly. I want things to run with 512 as smoothly as XP does, and allow the extra 3.5 gb of memory to give me extra performance with other programs.

Re:People will say whatever they want (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546581)

"Anybody who says vista is good is somebody who only tries websurfing- not actually trying to get something done."
While I don't have it at work, I do have a machine that I bought with Vista on it at home. I do alot of websurfing on it, but I have had no trouble writing code, using blender, using GIMP, setting up source control of various types and flavors for team projects in grad school, playing games (even uncompatible ones like Diablo 2), watching streaming video from Netflix, editing documents. Actually the only real problem I have had is a cheap HP printer that is semi-incompatible tends to get lost on occasion.

Perception and reality are two different things (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546205)

Microsoft is simply delivery more of what they originally promised with Vista, with the crap cut out. It's hardly anything to scream about. Same security (worse with the UAC slider tab, do they never learn?), just a bit leaner. It makes me think they are the same old company - Windows Me vs Win 2k anyone?

Although, compared to several years ago, I do find at more and more websites people fanboying for Microsoft. Which I find perplexing - with Linux I can understand as it's as much a movement than anything - but why shill for a corporation that doesn't give a shit about you?

Re:Perception and reality are two different things (2, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546289)

Although, compared to several years ago, I do find at more and more websites people fanboying for Microsoft. Which I find perplexing - with Linux I can understand as it's as much a movement than anything - but why shill for a corporation that doesn't give a shit about you?

I suspect that the relationship's probably more akin to the one Belkin had with their "reviewers".

Re:Perception and reality are two different things (2, Insightful)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546431)

Although, compared to several years ago, I do find at more and more websites people fanboying for Microsoft. Which I find perplexing

Microsoft has been caught astroturfing on many, many occasions, across many product lines. It's not that perplexing.

Geeks only (0)

NineNine (235196) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546221)

The whole MS "image" thing is really only a thing with geeks. Most regular people couldn't care less.

But, it's like that with every industry. I've never seen a Slashdot article about Intuit's shitty, shitty business and programming practices, but rest assured that among small business owners, Intuit is the devil. IT geeks don't know or care because it's not their area of expertise.

This is it!!! (5, Funny)

hodet (620484) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546251)

2009 will be the year of Windows on the desktop?

Good news is....... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546253)

Windows 7 really is an improvement over vista, I have a few computers running around my office I have been trying the Win 7 beta on, the best news comes from my Acer Aspire one 8.9 laptop. Win 7 not only runs faster then xp on the little devil, but still manages to play certian mmorpgs at 12 fps, that is actually the same speed xp runs it at on the laptop, but Win 7 handles it with other processes so much better. Hopefully they dont screw Win 7 up in the end game.

Cinderella Story! (5, Funny)

Shuh (13578) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546257)

It's not just reignited interest in the Windows product line, but it's got users appreciating a fresh approach from Microsoft as well.

I love it when the scrappy little come-from-behind underdog is able to pull itself up by the bootstraps and get from a measly 89% market-share all the way back up to 95%. It renews my faith in the hope and outright tenacity of the little guy!

Still a pig... (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546273)

%
No matter how much money you spend, you can't make a racehorse out of a pig. You can, however, make an awfully fast pig.
                                -- An old saying about program efficiency
%

Though in this case, I think they just slowed down the rate of increasing slowness. See! we only got 20% more slow and bloated this time compared to Vista's 40% increase!

No. (0)

snarfies (115214) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546287)

No.

Flexability.... (2, Insightful)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546315)

When I see Windows 7 Live CDs like I see Ubuntu and other Linux live CDs then I will really think that Windows 7 is modular. That right there says to me that you can have as little or as much as you want.

What else? (1)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546339)

...Microsoft has taken criticisms on board where it matters most: in the software and services that it provides.

Where it matters most? Isn't that their entire business? Software and services. Apart from the XBOX series they really don't do much else than software and services. Is TFA author trying to sound dramatic or did I miss something?

Not Windows 7 (3, Interesting)

michaelmalak (91262) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546347)

Windows 7 wasn't the turning point for Microsoft. It was Bush. Compared to Bush, Bill Gates was no longer the personification of evil.

There is also a business-related issue. Microsoft is now the underdog compared to Google. Google gave away a free desktop sidebar, and now Microsoft has made that obsolete by bundling in their own with Vista and Windows 7. A decade ago, there would have been howls of monopolization, and using Windows to enter an adjacent market. Today, nothing. Today it is seen as Microsoft defending its desktop turf against Google's Internet challenge.

Microsoft Got Lucky (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546349)

I'm thinking that this is just an image issue. A few people hated Vista at the start, the media grabbed that, and WHAM, worst MS OS in history (arguably).

Windows 7 has gotten some good press at the outset for whatever reason (the UAC is toned down - BIG help) and if the media grabs that, then MS will have a good OS, at least in terms of sales.

Since Windows 7 is basically Vista, I'm willing to bet that anyone that passed on Vista for technical reasons is going to pass on Windows 7. That's just my hunch...

Give me an S! Give me an H! (0, Redundant)

ProteusQ (665382) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546361)

I'm already I-L-L.

A fresh approach? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26546379)

The very first thing you do is to tell everyone that it -is- a fresh approach; usually by telling them how the company is different, the changed actors, and how they have found redemption.

Then you proceed to tell them how it is a -fresh- approach, because they obviously cannot sense the freshness on their own. And, that it is "less annoying".

Then you tell them all this freshness is just a result of washing the moldy, known-to-be-stinky, product by cutting out the dead spots and covering it up with milk and floating marshmallows.

I'm sold.

Windows 7 is slimmer? (1)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546385)

Sounds great. By the time it's finished I hope it will become even slimmer with some nasty software removed [slashdot.org] ;-)

Actions speak louder than words (3, Insightful)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546397)

Until microsoft makes the end customer who actually uses their products their only focus (and not the RIAA and all these other distractions) and goes back to courting developers like they did when they were successful there will be no significant change. Windows 7 will be more of the same.

IMO (1)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546407)

Not at all. Wolf in sheep's clothing

Ballmer has to go (5, Interesting)

david.emery (127135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546417)

If Microsoft wants me to "like them":
  1. Ballmer has to go. This guy is just offensive. Between the combat metaphors and the chair tossing, I can't respect any company run by this guy. AND, he's doing a poor job of running Microsoft.

  2. The 'kinder/gentler Microsoft' has to become more open. That means opening up APIs and stop trying to manipulate standardization processes.

  3. They have to improve their product quality. That will be a huge challenge given their code base, and maybe Windows 7 will be a substantial quality improvement. The record for Microsoft seems to be "every other product is OK" (Win 98 was much better than Win 95, Win XP is much better than Win 2k, hopefully Win 7 will be much better than Vista."

  4. They also need to pay attention to both Apple and to their own research arm, and start -innovating-rather than blindly copying what others are doing.

  5. Until 1..4 are achieved, I'm not going to like Microsoft. More importantly, I'll not even consider a car (e.g. Ford) that has Microsoft products in it, and the idea of the current Microsoft trying to "fix health care records" scares the fertilizer out of me.

Just my $.02...

A joke. (1)

s1lhouette (1319369) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546459)

Well, the first thing that I did when I read this story was to check the URL. It was slashdot, but I couldn't believe it. How could such a story make it on SLASHDOT! Somebody must be playing a joke. If you are a slashdot admin, please verify your security. You were most likely just hacked.

yesirree Bob! (1, Interesting)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546481)

If I was running a company and our flagship product came out several years late, overhyped, underspeed, underfeatured, unable to run on most computers, frustrating to use, and it sold really poorly, causing billions of dollars of shortfalls in sales, well, yes, I'd try to do better the next time. No news here. The real problem is that Windows 7 is just a service pack for Vista. Many of the issues like DRM and slow I/O have just been lightly patched over with no real attempt to roll back to the somewhat simpler, faster Windows XP code base. When you're in a hole, stop digging, don't just paint the hole walls a more pleasing color.

Come on.. (0, Flamebait)

Erez.Hadad (1131843) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546485)

I would mod this whole discussion -5 FLAMEBAIT.

Microsoft won me back... (2, Interesting)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546505)

Actually, with Vista and Visual Studio 2008 and Windows 7 will seal the deal. I've railed on about how Microsoft has abandoned native code developers, and that's tuned me into Linux quite a bit... but...

Visual Studio 2008's C++ compiler is pretty darned good. Everyone rips MFC, and deservedly, in some ways, but, all of sudden, everyone else's "slim" C++ framework is suddenly pretty darned fat. I mean, doc/view in wxwidgets? And you surely gest if you think Qt is thin. And, MFC, for all of its ugliness, comes now with those fancy Office ribbon bars that I just love. I know it sounds crazy, but I see those ribbon bars popping out of the default MFC application, and I'm like, yeah, I know its a fatter framework than WTL and everyone in the Unix world will laugh at my giant download... but look at those ribbon bars, minitabs, and all the other widgets that other frameworks simply do not have.

Microsoft does have to watch out though, because my foundness for the MFC facelift in no way diminishes the excellent work under way with the tools for wxWidgets. There's some forms editor tools for wxWidgets that have no native C++ answer in Visual Studio and that's something Microsoft really ought to worry about.

And, in Windows 7, those fancy ribbon bars are going to be shipping as part of Windows.

But all in all, compared to Ubuntu Hardy Heron, I really like Vista as a desktop. I really do. That's not to say that Vista is better than Hardy in every regard - Hardy trumps for working with ISOs and command line dvd burning is a hoot, but... the way that the task bar works, the folder search works, the file open dialogs work, and, its pretty darned stable, and feels faster than Hardy does, I must say.

The one thing that does suck about Windows 7, though, is that I think the Outlook Express -> Windows Mail in Vista is a mail client that I think Microsoft finally got right for casual pop mail, and that's going away evidently.

Better to waitwith conclusions before its out (1)

Device666 (901563) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546533)

I first want experience the WYSIWYG experience when I see and use their real finished product. Maybe they have an confusing amount of editions. Maybe people who migrate from XP find their hardware still lacking support. Are the drivers for new hardware out on time? Is SLI etc upported?

New tag: writerwillwinalaptop (4, Insightful)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 5 years ago | (#26546555)

New tag: writerwillwinalaptop [google.com]
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