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YouTube To Allow Self-Serve Ads For Major Media Players

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the go-ahead-upload-that-copywronged-clip dept.

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thefickler writes to tell us that YouTube plans on raising revenue by allowing major media players to run their own ads on the video site for, not only their own content, but illegally uploaded content by other users. "The site says CBS is already on board for the scheme, with other giants expected to join. The scheme will allow TV, movie and music companies to upload content and then sell advertising themselves, for example through images or animations which are overlaid on suitable sections of the clips. YouTube will then take a cut of this advertising revenue."

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Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26581343)

Everyone has a price.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26581443)

WWE's gonna get involved?
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I LIKE PONIES!!!111! (-1, Offtopic)

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MobileMe Terms of Service
1. Your Acceptance of Terms
Welcome to MobileMe

The following Terms of Service (âoeTOSâ) are between you and Apple and constitute a legal agreement that governs your use of the MobileMe product, software, services and websites (collectively referred to as the âoeServiceâ). You must agree to these TOS before you can use the Service. You can agree to these TOS by: a) actually using the Service, or b) clicking a box that indicates you agree to the Service, where such a box is made available to you. If you do not agree to any of the following terms, please do not use the Service. You should print or otherwise save a copy of these TOS for your records. "Apple" as used herein means Apple Inc., located at 1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino, California and, where applicable, Apple Sales International, Hollyhill Industrial Estate, Hollyhill, Cork, Ireland.
Legal Authority

To use and/or register for the Service you must be: a) of legal age to form a binding contract with Apple, and b) cannot be a person barred from receiving the Service under the laws of the United States or other applicable jurisdiction, including the country in which you reside or from where you use the Service. By accepting these TOS you represent that you understand and agree to the foregoing. If you are under the required legal age, but at least 13 years old, you may still use the Service (subject to applicable local law), but only if the account you are using was created and registered by your parent or legal guardian (see Section 3 below for further details).
Updates

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System Requirements

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3. Your Use of the Service
Member Account

When you accept these TOS and complete the MobileMe sign up process, you become the MobileMe âoeMember Accountâ holder. You are required to select a unique name upon sign up that will be used for your account (your âoeSubscriber IDâ). You may be permitted to purchase and add additional âoeSub-accountsâ (also known as âoeFamily Memberâ accounts) to your Member Account. You must select a separate Subscriber ID for each Sub-account you create. You are responsible for all activity that takes place on your Member Account and any associated Sub-accounts.
Sub-account

If you use a Sub-account, the Member Account holder has full control over your Sub-account and may alter, close or end the Sub-account at any time, as well as request information related to your use of the Sub-account, including machine and service use information, without notice to you.
Account Security

Upon creating your Subscriber ID you will be required to select a password. Please choose a strong password and do not reveal your password to others. You agree that you are responsible for keeping your password confidential and secure, and further understand that you are solely responsible and liable for any activities that occur under your Subscriber ID. If you suspect or become aware of any unauthorized use of your account please contact MobileMe Support at http://www.apple.com/support/mobileme/ww [apple.com] .
Children

You must be at least 13 years of age to use the Service. Children between the ages of 13-18 (or older as required by local law) may be granted access to the Service but only if they are added as a Sub-account to a Member Account. By adding a child as a Sub-Account member under your Member Account, you certify that you are of legal age and are the parent and/or legal guardian of that child. By adding a minor to your Member Account, you give them permission to access and use the Service, and it is your responsibility to determine whether the Service and/or Content (as defined below in Section 5) provided via the Service is appropriate for a minor. Please also remind any minors that conversing with strangers on the internet can be dangerous and take appropriate precautions to protect your child including monitoring their use of the Service.
Sign Up Obligations

You agree that all information you provide to Apple during the sign up process (âoeSign Up Dataâ) will be true, accurate, complete and current information, and that you shall maintain and update the Sign Up Data as needed throughout your term to keep it accurate and current. Failure to provide accurate, current and complete Sign Up Data may result in the suspension and/or termination of your account.
Additional Obligations or Terms of Use

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No Conveyance

Nothing in these TOS shall be construed to convey to you any interest, title, or license in a Subscriber ID, email address, domain name, iChat ID, or similar resource used by you in connection with the Service.
No Right of Survivorship

You agree that your MobileMe account is non-transferable and that any rights to your Subscriber ID or Content within your account terminate upon your death. Upon receipt of a copy of a death certificate your account may be terminated and all Content within your account deleted. Contact support at http://www.apple.com/support/mobileme/ww [apple.com] for further assistance.
No Resale of Service

You agree that you will not reproduce, copy, duplicate, sell, resell, rent or trade the Service (or any part thereof) for any purpose.
4. Apple Privacy Policy

You understand that by using the Service, you consent and agree to the collection and use of certain information about you and your use of the Service in accordance with Appleâ(TM)s Privacy Policy. Information collected when you use the Service may include technical or diagnostic information related to your use that may be used by Apple to maintain, improve and enhance the Service. For more information please read our full privacy policy at http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/ [apple.com] . You further understand and agree that this information may be transferred to the United States and/or other countries for storage, processing and use by Apple and/or its affiliates.
5. Content and Your Conduct
Content

"Content" means any information that may be generated or encountered through use of the Service, such as data files, written text, software, music, graphics, photographs, images, sounds, videos, messages and any other like materials. You understand that all Content whether publicly posted or privately transmitted on the Service is the sole responsibility of the person from whom such Content originated. This means that you, and not Apple, are solely responsible for any Content you upload, download, post, email, transmit, store or otherwise make available through your use of the Service. You understand that by using the Service you may encounter Content that you may find offensive, indecent, or objectionable, and that you may expose others to Content that they may find objectionable. Apple does not control the Content posted via the Service, nor does it guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of such Content. You understand and agree that your use of the Service and any Content is solely at your own risk.
Your Conduct

You agree that you will NOT use the Service to:

      1. upload, download, post, email, transmit, store or otherwise make available any Content that is unlawful, harassing, threatening, harmful, tortious, defamatory, libelous,abusive, violent, obscene, vulgar, invasive of anotherâ(TM)s privacy, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive, or otherwise objectionable;
      2. stalk, harass, threaten or harm another;
      3. if you are an adult, request personal or other information from a minor (any person under the age of 18 or such other age as local law defines as a minor) who is not personally known to you, including but not limited to any of the following: full name or last name, home address, zip/postal code, telephone number, picture, or the names of the minor's school, church, athletic team or friends;
      4. pretend to be anyone, or any entity, you are not â" you may not impersonate or misrepresent yourself as another person (including celebrities), entity, another MobileMe subscriber, an Apple employee, or a civic or government leader, or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity, (Apple reserves the right to reject or block any Subscriber ID which could be deemed to be an impersonation or misrepresentation of your identity, or a misappropriation of another person's name or identity);
      5. engage in any copyright infringement or other intellectual property infringement, or disclose any trade secret or confidential information in violation of a confidentiality,employment, or nondisclosure agreement;
      6. post, send, transmit or otherwise make available any unsolicited or unauthorized email messages, advertising, promotional materials, junk mail, spam, or chain letters, including, without limitation, bulk commercial advertising and informational announcements;
      7. forge any TCP-IP packet header or any part of the header information in an email or a news group posting, or otherwise putting information in a header designed to mislead recipients as to the origin of any Content transmitted through the Service (âoespoofing");
      8. upload, post, email, transmit, store or otherwise make available any material that contains viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to harm,interfere or limit the normal operation of the Service (or any part thereof), or any other computer software or hardware;
      9. interfere with or disrupt the Service (including accessing the Service through any automated means, like scripts or web crawlers), or any servers or networks connected to the Service, or any policies, requirements or regulations of networks connected to the Service (including any unauthorized access to, use or monitoring of data or traffic thereon);
    10. plan or engage in any illegal activity; and/or
    11. gather and store personal information on any other users of the Service to be used in connection with any of the foregoing prohibited activities.

Removal of Content

You acknowledge that Apple is not responsible or liable in any way for any Content provided by others and has no duty to pre-screen such Content. However, Apple reserves the right at all times to determine whether Content is appropriate and in compliance with these TOS, and may pre-screen, move, refuse, modify and/or remove Content at any time, without prior notice and in its sole discretion, if such Content is found to be in violation of these TOS or is otherwise objectionable.
Backup Your Content

You are responsible for backing up, to your own computer or other device, any important documents, images or other Content that you store or access via the Service. Apple does not guarantee or warrant that any Content you may store or access through the Service will not be subject to inadvertent damage, corruption or loss.
Access to Your Account and Content

You acknowledge and agree that Apple may access, use, preserve and/or disclose your account information and Content if legally required to do so or if we have a good faith belief that such access, use, disclosure, or preservation is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process or request; (b) enforce these TOS, including investigation of any potential violation thereof; (c) detect, prevent or otherwise address security, fraud or technical issues; or (d) protect the rights, property or safety of Apple, its users or the public as required or pemitted by law.
Copyright Notice - DMCA

If you believe that any Content in which you claim copyright has been infringed by anyone using the Service, please contact Apple's Copyright Agent as described in our Copyright Policy at http://www.apple.com/legal/trademark/claimsofcopyright.html [apple.com] . Apple may, in its sole discretion, suspend and/or terminate accounts of users that are found to be repeat infringers.
Violations of TOS

If while using the Service, you encounter Content you find inappropriate, or otherwise believe to be a violation of these TOS, you may report it by going to http://www.apple.com/support/mobileme/ww [apple.com] .
6. Payment Fees

You agree to pay all fees and charges specified when you signed up for the Service and any part thereof. All fees are exclusive of applicable taxes (e.g. sales, use, or value-added tax), unless otherwise stated, and you are solely responsible for the payment of any such taxes that may be imposed on your use of the Service.
Credit Card Authorization

You may be asked to provide Apple with a credit card number from a card issuer that we accept in order to activate your Service. Apple may seek authorization of your credit card account prior to your first purchase to validate that you can charge the applicable fees to access the Service. This authorization amount is typically the equivalent of one US dollar ($1USD). It is not a charge but may appear to reduce your available balance by the authorization amount until your cardâ(TM)s next billing cycle. Please contact your card issuer if you have additional questions regarding when this amount will be removed from your statement.
Payment Method

Apple will charge the annual subscription fee and any other additional fees you authorize to the charge or credit card account provided by you. By authorizing Apple to charge a credit card for the fees associated with your subscription, you are authorizing Apple to automatically continue charging that card (or any replacement card if the original card is renewed, lost, stolen, or changed for any reason by the card issuer, and the issuer informs Apple of the new replacement card account) for all fees or charges associated with your subscription including any renewal fees as described below. You authorize the card issuer to pay any amounts described herein and authorize Apple, or any other company that acts as a billing agent for Apple, to continue to attempt to charge all sums described herein to your credit card account until such amounts are paid in full. You agree to provide Apple updated information on your credit card upon Appleâ(TM)s request and any time the information earlier provided is no longer valid. If payment is not received by Apple from your credit card issuer or its agents, you agree to pay all amounts due upon demand by Apple.
Free Trial Period

Apple may offer you a one-time free trial period during which you can try out the Service for free (âoeFree Trial Periodâ). If you are participating in a Free Trial Period, you must cancel the Service by the end of the trial period to avoid incurring any charges. If you do not cancel the Service before the Free Trial Period expires, and we have informed you that the Service will automatically be converted into a paid subscription at the end of the Free Trial Period, then you authorize us to charge your credit card the applicable fees as indicated at the time you signed up for the Service. During the Free Trial Period, you agree that Apple will have the right (subject to applicable local law) to send you communications, notices and news about the Service to your MobileMe email address and to any alternate email address you may have provided. Local law may allow you to revoke your consent to receiving these communications at any time during the Free Trial Period. Upgrades to a Member Account (e.g. Family Pack or storage upgrade) are only available upon purchase of an annual subscription and are therefore not available to subscribers during the Free Trial Period. Apple reserves the right to modify, cancel and/or limit this Free Trial Period offer at any time.You may cancel your account at any time during the Free Trial Period by going to the Account Options section at https://secure.me.com/account [me.com] . Upon cancelling your account, you will lose all access to the Service and any data or information stored within your account. (See "Effects of Terminationâ below for additional details.)
Automatic Renewal of Annual Subscription

When you sign up online for the Service, your annual subscription will be set to automatically renew upon its expiration. This means that unless you cancel your account or change its renewal settings prior to its expiration, your account will automatically renew for another year. At the time of renewal, we will charge your credit card the then-current fees to renew the Service. About thirty (30) days prior to your expiration date we will notify you by email to your MobileMe email address that your account is about to renew and remind you that your credit card will be billed the indicated Service fees on the renewal date. You may change your renewal settings at any time by going to https://secure.me.com/account [me.com] .
Account Information and Billing Inquiries

You may consult your MobileMe account management page at https://secure.me.com/account [me.com] for details on your account information including payment method and billing currency. Apple shall send an electronic invoice to your MobileMe email address whenever any Service fees are charged to your account. If you believe you have been billed in error for the Service please notify us within 45 days of the billing date by contacting MobileMe Support at http://www.apple.com/support/mobileme/ww [apple.com] .
Cancellations and Refunds

All fees and charges paid by you in relation to the Service are nonrefundable, except as otherwise stated herein. Apple shall refund the applicable fees paid by you upon initial online sign up or renewal of the Service provided Apple receives such refund request within forty-five (45) days of the billing date for any such fees. To request a refund as described herein go to http://www.apple.com/support/mobileme/ww [apple.com] for more details. Applicable local law may vary this policy.

PLEASE NOTE: Boxed versions of the Service that are purchased through Apple Retail Stores, the Apple Online Store, or third party resellers must be activated within nine (9) months of the date of purchase and are not subject to the foregoing refund terms. Boxed versions of the Service must be returned to the original place of purchase and must follow the returns and refunds policies of those stores. Please review the applicable Apple Sales Policy at http://www.apple.com/legal/sales_policies/ [apple.com] .
Changes in Price

Apple may at any time, upon notice required by applicable law, change the price of the Service or any part thereof, or institute new charges or fees. Price changes and institution of new charges implemented during your subscription term will apply to subsequent subscription terms and to all new subscribers after the effective date of the change. If you do not agree to any such price changes, then you must cancel your account and and stop using the Service. Your continued use of the Service after the effective date of any such change shall constitute your acceptance of such change.
7. Content Submitted or Made Available by You on the Service
License from You

Except for material we may license to you, Apple does not claim ownership of the materials and/or Content you submit or make available on the Service. However, by submitting or posting such Content on areas of the Service that are accessible by the public, you grant Apple a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available. Said license will terminate within a commercially reasonable time after you or Apple remove such Content from the public area. By submitting or posting such Content on areas of the Service that are accessible by the public, you are representing that you are the owner of such material and/or have authorization to distribute it.
Changes to Content

You understand that in order to provide the Service and make your Content available thereon, Apple may transmit your Content across various public networks, in various media, and modify or change your Content to comply with technical requirements of connecting networks or devices. You agree that the license herein permits Apple to take any such actions.
8. Trademark Information

Apple, the Apple logo, MobileMe, the MobileMe logo and other Apple trademarks, service marks, graphics, and logos used in connection with the Service are trademarks or registered trademarks of Apple Inc. in the US and/or other countries. Other trademarks, service marks, graphics, and logos used in connection with the Service may be the trademarks of their respective owners. You are granted no right or license in any of the aforesaid trademarks, and further agree that you shall not remove, obscure, or alter any proprietary notices (including trademark and copyright notices) that may be affixed to or contained within the Service.
9. Software Appleâ(TM)s Proprietary Rights

You acknowledge and agree that Apple and/or its licensors own all legal right, title and interest in and to the Service, and any software provided to you as a part of and/or in connection with the Service (the âoeSoftwareâ), including any and all intellectual property rights that exist therein, whether registered or not, and wherever in the world they may exist. You further agree that the Service (including the Software, or any other part thereof) contains proprietary and confidential information that is protected by applicable intellectual property and other laws.

License From Apple Apple grants you a personal, non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to use the Software as provided to you by Apple as a part of the Service and in accordance with these TOS; provided that you do not (and do not permit anyone else to) copy, modify, create a derivative work of, reverse engineer, decompile, or otherwise attempt to discover the source code (unless expressly permitted or required by law), sell, lease, sublicense, assign, grant a security interest in or otherwise transfer any right in the Software.
Export

You agree to abide by U.S. and other applicable export control laws and not to transfer from the U.S., by electronic transmission or otherwise, any Content or Software subject to restrictions under such laws to a destination prohibited under such laws, without first obtaining, and then complying with, any requisite government authorization. You further agree not to upload to your MobileMe account any data or software that cannot be exported without prior written government authorization, including, but not limited to, certain types of encryption software. This assurance and commitment shall survive termination of this Agreement.
Updates

As part of the Service, you may from time to time receive updates to the Software from Apple which may be automatically downloaded and installed to your device. These updates may include bug fixes, feature enhancements or improvements, or entirely new versions of the Software. You agree that Apple may automatically deliver such updates to you as part of the Service and you shall receive and install them as required.
10. Termination
Termination by You

You may terminate your account and/or stop using the Service at any time. To terminate your account contact MobileMe Support at http://www.apple.com/support/mobileme/ww [apple.com] . Any fees paid by you prior to your termination are nonrefundable (except as expressly permitted otherwise by these TOS), including any fees paid in advance for the term during which you terminate. Termination of your account shall not relieve you of any obligation to pay any accrued fees or charges.
Termination by Apple

Apple may at any time, under certain circumstances and without prior notice, immediately terminate or suspend all or a portion of your account and/or access to the Service. Cause for such termination shall include, but not be limited to: (a) violations of the TOS or any other policies or guidelines that are referenced herein and/or posted on the Service; (b) a request by you to cancel or terminate your account; (c) discontinuance or material modification to the Service or any part thereof; (d) a request and/or order from law enforcement, a judicial body, or other government agency; (e) where provision of the Service to you is or may become unlawful; (f) unexpected technical or security issues or problems; (g) your participation in fraudulent or illegal activities; or (h) failure to pay any fees owed by you in relation to the Service. Any such termination or suspension shall be made by Apple in its sole discretion, without any refund to you of any prepaid fees or amounts, and Apple will not be responsible to you or any third party for any damages that may result or arise out of such termination or suspension of your account and/or access to the Service.

Effects of Termination Upon termination of your account you lose all access to the Service and any portions thereof, including, but not limited to, your Member Account (any Sub-accounts thereunder), Subscriber ID, email account, iDisk, domains, iChat account and MobileMe Gallery albums. In addition, Apple shall delete all information and data stored in or as a part of your account(s) including, but not limited to, data files, email, albums and preferences. Any individual components of the Service that you may have used subject to separate software license agreements (e.g. Backup software) will also be terminated in accordance with those license agreements.
11. Links and Third Party Materials

Certain Content, components or features of the Service may include materials from third parties and/or hyperlinks to other web sites, resources or Content. Because Apple may have no control over such third party sites and/or materials, you acknowledge and agree that Apple is not responsible for the availability of such sites or resources, and does not endorse or warrant the accuracy of any such sites or resources, and shall in no way be liable or responsible for any Content, advertising, products or materials on or available from such sites or resources. You further acknowledge and agree that Apple shall not be responsible or liable in any way for any damages you incur or allege to have incurred, either directly or indirectly, as a result of your use and/or reliance upon any such Content, advertising, products or materials on or available from such sites or resources.
12. Disclaimer of Warranties

SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN WARRANTIES, AS SUCH, TO THE EXTENT SUCH EXCLUSIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW, SOME OF THE EXCLUSIONS SET FORTH BELOW MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE SERVICE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THE SERVICE IS PROVIDED ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS. APPLE AND ITS AFFILIATES, SUBSIDIARIES, OFFICERS, DIRECTORS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, PARTNERS AND LICENSORS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. IN PARTICULAR, APPLE AND ITS AFFILIATES, SUBSIDIARIES, OFFICERS, DIRECTORS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, PARTNERS AND LICENSORS MAKE NO WARRANTY THAT (I) THE SERVICE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS; (II) YOUR USE OF THE SERVICE WILL BE TIMELY, UNINTERRUPTED, SECURE OR ERROR-FREE; (III) ANY INFORMATION OBTAINED BY YOU AS A RESULT OF THE SERVICE WILL BE ACCURATE OR RELIABLE; AND (IV) ANY DEFECTS OR ERRORS IN THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF THE SERVICE WILL BE CORRECTED.

ANY MATERIAL DOWNLOADED OR OTHERWISE OBTAINED THROUGH THE USE OF THE SERVICE IS ACCESSED AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION AND RISK, AND YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR DEVICE OR LOSS OF DATA THAT RESULTS FROM THE DOWNLOAD OF ANY SUCH MATERIAL.

NO ADVICE OR INFORMATION, WHETHER ORAL OR WRITTEN, OBTAINED BY YOU FROM APPLE OR THROUGH OR FROM THE SERVICE SHALL CREATE ANY WARRANTY NOT EXPRESSLY STATED IN THE TOS.
13. Limitation of Liability

SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, AS SUCH, TO THE EXTENT SUCH EXCLUSIONS OR LIMITATIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW, SOME OF THE EXCLUSIONS OR LIMITATIONS SET FORTH BELOW MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT APPLE AND ITS AFFILIATES, SUBSIDIARIES, OFFICERS, DIRECTORS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, PARTNERS AND LICENSORS SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES , INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA, COST OF PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES, OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF APPLE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (I) THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SERVICE; (II) THE UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (III) THE DELETION OF, CORRUPTION OF, OR FAILURE TO STORE AND/OR SEND OR RECEIVE YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA ON OR THROUGH THE SERVICE; (IV) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE SERVICE; AND (IV) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE SERVICE.
14. Indemnity

You agree to defend, indemnify and hold Apple, its affiliates, subsidiaries, directors, officers, employees, agents, partners and licensors harmless from any claim or demand, including reasonable attorneysâ(TM) fees, made by a third party, relating to or arising from: (a) any Content you submit, post, transmit, or otherwise make available through the Service; (b) your use of the Service; (c) any violation by you of these TOS; or (d) your violation of any rights of another. This obligation shall survive the termination or expiration of these TOS and/or your use of the Service. You acknowledge that you are responsible for all use of the Service using your account, including any use by Sub-accounts, and that these TOS apply to any and all usage of your account, including any use by Sub-accounts. You agree to comply with these TOS and to defend, indemnify and hold harmless Apple from and against any and all claims and demands arising from usage of your account or any Sub-account, whether or not such usage is expressly authorized by you.
15. Notices

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Re:Hahaha (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26581923)

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flame (1)

Iceykitsune (1059892) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581345)

Cue flame war in 3, 2, 1...

YouScrewd! (1, Troll)

shellster_dude (1261444) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581369)

Over the last year Youtube has consistently been doing stupid things. I was about to stop using them altogether. This might just be the last straw if this becomes widespread.

Re:YouScrewd! (2, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581787)

So start your own or host your own movies. Flash has finally made it so that I can distribute stuff to people without too much hassle. Quicktime never seemed to work perfect, especially for the computer illiterate. Now I can just say "If you can use youtube, you can use my site". I use JW FLV Media Player [longtailvideo.com] to serve Rugby Songs [peoriarugby.com] and Game Films [purduerugby.com] *. I use some ffmpeg compressors to do it and in no time I have media that almost anyone can view and use.

* Yes. I am masochistic, never had my websites bench marked before...

Re:YouScrewd! (2, Insightful)

CaptCovert (868609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581831)

It may also cut down on the number of people that actually post to YouTube. If any company can claim a video is copyrighted and get ads placed all over it, what steps does the author have to declare the work a 'derivative' or 'artistic representation' (in other words, fight the copyright infringement claim)?

Re:YouScrewd! (1)

Atlantis-Rising (857278) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582597)

The author probably has no rights to declare it or steps to declare it. After all, the organization is not making a copyright claim in a court of law; they are merely making it to Youtube, who can then do whatever the hell they like and if you don't like it, you can go hang.

Disputing a copyright claim on YouTube (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583599)

what steps does the author have to declare the work a 'derivative' or 'artistic representation' (in other words, fight the copyright infringement claim)?

I had one of my videos, a comparison between "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand and Mr. Resetti's theme from Nintendo's Animal Crossing: Wild World, trigger YouTube's audio recognition. Knowing that the sort of critical commentary in "Cryptomnesia: Animal Crossing" [youtube.com] would probably fall squarely within the bounds of fair use as described by 17 USC 107, I clicked the dispute button. I was given a choice among A. the work was misidentified, B. the use is not subject to copyright, or C. I can prove a license from the copyright owner. I clicked B, gave a one-sentence explanation of the nature of the criticism in the video, and submitted the dispute.

Uh oh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26581373)

The free ride is over. Give me a firefox plugin to block this crap otherwise GTG LOL

Re:Uh oh (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583047)

That will be almost impossible, as the ads will probably be embedded in the first frames of each video, and it will probably be impossible to "skip" that part. Even if a software could "detect" it, it would involve major video processing per video, nothing that a simple extension would be capable of doing.

Re:Uh oh (1)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 5 years ago | (#26585745)

"... and it will probably be impossible to "skip" that part."

We saw that happen before. There will be 'derivative' works, where the derivation consists in the fact that the ads were cut out.

Re:Uh oh (4, Funny)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583369)

Give me a firefox plugin to block this crap otherwise GTG LOL

No need for a firefox plugin. You can block this crap simply by adding "127.0.0.1 slashdot.org" to your etc/hosts file.

lolcats (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26581397)

I'm in ur slashdot spamming ur forumz.

Illegal upload (4, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581411)

but illegally uploaded content by other users

You mean, possible copyright infringements?

How about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Re:Illegal upload (3, Informative)

htnmmo (1454573) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581579)

Innocent until proven guilty?

It's not Google's job to decide who is guilty and who isn't. They have to dump anything if they get a copyright complaint if they want to keep their Safe Harbor protections as per the DCMA.

Google has been experiencing much slower growth in ad revenue lately and AdSense publisher revenues are much worse [howtonotma...online.com] and are looking for new exciting revenue streams to try and get that triple digit growth rate again.

Re:Illegal upload (2, Interesting)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581741)

They have to dump anything if they get a copyright complaint if they want to keep their Safe Harbor protections as per the DCMA.

I know, that's why I'm waiting for a swedish Youtube-equivalent to take over.

I was complaining about the term "illegal". Doublethink at its finest.

Google has been experiencing much slower growth in ad revenue lately and AdSense publisher revenues are much worse and are looking for new exciting revenue streams to try and get that triple digit growth rate again.

Yeah, driving youtube in the ground will surely make that happen.

Re:Illegal upload (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26582859)

"I know, that's why I'm waiting for a swedish Youtube-equivalent to take over."

Yes, smart thinking. If Google can't make Youtube profitable so they have to be more intrusive with advertising, then someone will come up with an ad free alternative.

When that one tries to make money to pay the bandwidth and server bills, someone else will come up with a free alternative.

later, rinse repeat.

Re:Illegal upload (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583341)

Yes, smart thinking. If Google can't make Youtube profitable so they have to be more intrusive with advertising, then someone will come up with an ad free alternative.

Ads are not the main problem. DMCA takedowns and content replaced with ads are.

Having the most popular content removed means less users, which means less $$$ for Youtube. That they're filling the blanks with more ads is guaranteed to not bring new users.

Therefore, I suggest we find a country where the takedown notices don't reach [thepiratebay.org] , and get someone there to start anew.

Of course, torrents and streaming videos are different beasts, but you get the idea.

Re:Illegal upload (2, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581925)

You mean, possible copyright infringements?

How about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Fair Use is an affirmative defense.
It means the defendant bears the burden of proof.

Copyright infringement really is "guilty until proven innocent",
especially when the facts of the case are not in dispute.

Re:Illegal upload (1)

Thaelon (250687) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582337)

How about "innocent until proven guilty"?

The DMCA got them around that little problem.

Re:Illegal upload (2, Interesting)

witherstaff (713820) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583229)

We've become a culture of guilty until proven innocent. Look at the problems the governor of Illinois is going through without being convicted of anything yet.

Re:Illegal upload (1)

wickedskaman (1105337) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583463)

MOD PARENT UP! It's so true. He has been hung up to dry by the media because rumor and hearsay have made him look really bad. And even suggesting he may not be culpable makes one look like a crazy person.

Someone please call the waahhhmbulance (1)

Shimmer (3036) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584379)

"Problems"? The Constitution doesn't guarantee a life without problems. All it says is that he is entitled to a fair trial before the Feds throw his sorry ass in jail. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal tenet that applies to trials, not public opinion.

Re:Illegal upload (3, Informative)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 5 years ago | (#26585149)

He's being impeached. In Illinois, you don't even have to commit a crime to be impeached. It's like being fired.

Re:Illegal upload (1, Redundant)

jcnnghm (538570) | more than 5 years ago | (#26585235)

If McCain had won and we were talking about the governor of Arizona you all, as well as the media, would be falling all over yourselves to pin the whole thing on McCain and/or Bush. Kucinich would have already drafted impeachment papers, Pelosi would have already called for multiple congressional investigations, and slashdotters would be posting +5 Insightful comments about how republican corruption knows no bounds. But when a piece of shit Chicago Democrat is being impeached for selling a senate seat, not to mention the federal fraud and bribery charges, it's unthinkable that he should face problems? Problems!

Do me a favor. Walk to the nearest mirror. Look at yourself, and repeat after me ten times, "I am not a victim."

Re:Illegal upload (1)

Al Dimond (792444) | more than 5 years ago | (#26586053)

I think GP may have been going for sarcasm or humor. At least I laughed my ass off.

I (a liberal Illinoisan) have to say though, that the Democratic Governor, the Dem-controlled state legislature, the Democrat appointed to the seat, and the Democratic U.S. Senate Majority Leader each deserve all the problems this scandal has given them, because they've all behaved pretty badly through the mess. And whatever political popularity Jesse White picks up from refusing to certify the appointment, well, he doesn't deserve it.

Re:Illegal upload (1)

rayefrenzy (1450105) | more than 5 years ago | (#26585831)

You don't live in Illinois, do you? Trust me, Blagojevich is getting what he deserves, even if it is over-sensationalized.

Re:Illegal upload (1)

Ian Alexander (997430) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584535)

AFAIK "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't necessarily apply outside a courtroom. (And in some cases it might not even be said to apply inside one but that's for another thread...)

Self-Aware Ads. (4, Funny)

Fumus (1258966) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581439)

Whew. For a second there I read it as "Youtube to allow self-aware ads for major media players".

Re:Self-Aware Ads. (1)

SwabTheDeck (1030520) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582719)

Whew. For a second there I read it as "Youtube to allow self-aware ads for major media players".

Why were you worried? It is surely equitable to allow any self-aware being to live his/her/its life as he/she/it pleases.

Re:Self-Aware Ads. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26584593)

Youtube to allow self-aware ads for major media players

Imagine being an advertisement for a drug whose side effect is "may cause death". That would be depressing. I'd probably go hang out in world news videos.

Replacement on "Fair Use" Videos (-1)

screenbert (253482) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581463)

I wonder if youtube's Content ID system has a filter for fair use. I suppose technically they can go with, it's my site, I'll do what I want to.

However I have to say that it seems like a better option for the users than just removing their content.

I wonder where they would have time for advertising in this juggling video [youtube.com] .

Re:Replacement on "Fair Use" Videos (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26581739)

Here's a tip: putting the link to your juggling video into your sig is probably easier than trying to find a lame way to work it into all your comments.

See comment history: http://slashdot.org/~screenbert [slashdot.org]

Re:Replacement on "Fair Use" Videos (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26582209)

I actually find that a person who finds ways to add something personal into their comments, WHILE actually being on-topic to be much smarter than some lazy signature.
DOWN WITH SIGNATURES!

Wouldn't be surprised if you -1ed them too.
To quote the popular 4chan phrase, cry moar.

Re:Replacement on "Fair Use" Videos (1)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582363)

Yes but I have sig's turned off so I don't see that stuff. I believe that is why he does it.

Don't most others have sigs turned off?

Re:Replacement on "Fair Use" Videos (-1, Offtopic)

screenbert (253482) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582521)

I post an informative comment that includes a personal reference.
Is the comment no longer informative? Past moderation says it is.

It still provides value to the discussion and I don't hide via an anonymous coward. Seems to be a lot like what Slashdot does by selling ads in the form of submissions.

Meanwhile those that find the video humorous get a good laugh. Those that don't can enjoy the comment.

Re:Replacement on "Fair Use" Videos (2, Funny)

Foolicious (895952) | more than 5 years ago | (#26585223)

Yeah. I totally agree. I laughed so hard at that fantastic juggling I really worked up an appetite.

So I picked up a fresh, delicious, tasty, meaty, turkey-filled, cold cut combo. I eat three every day just to keep me strong. Talk about a hole in one!

Subway sandwiches will drive away your hunger!

Do no evil (0, Troll)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581477)

Is this how Google lets their inner Evil out?

Re:Do no evil (3, Insightful)

ChienAndalu (1293930) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581611)

No, it's how they want to earn money. Please don't tell me you didn't see this coming.

Re:Do no evil (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582665)

Well I sure didn't. Google has it's own text ads. Eat your own dog food anyone?

Re:Do no evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26584027)

Which everyone blocks by using adBlock anyways because they don't care enough to remove the less annoying ads from the lists.

Later this year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26581487)

Users will be allowed to upload some content into full-length commercials.

Does this mean we can post copyrighted content now (2, Insightful)

sarahbau (692647) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581499)

YouTube has been on a spree deleting lots of videos that use songs or parts of songs by Warner Music Group. I think I could stand having a short advertisement before watching a video (but not during it) if it meant people could post these videos again.

Re:Does this mean we can post copyrighted content (4, Interesting)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583527)

same here. i'm sick of reading news or blog articles on sites like autoblog.com which refer to YouTube videos that have been removed.

it's especially stupid when Viacom has music videos taken down. the whole reason you make music videos is to promote an artist/song/album. if someone posts it online, they're just giving you more free publicity. you don't charge MTV for playing your music video on Headbangers Ball, so why would you complain about YouTube broadcasting a low-def version of your music video for millions of people to see?

YouTube's quickly turning into another Photobucket. cheap throwaway image hosts have long been contributing to the sea of dead images polluting online forums and message board archives. likewise, tons of dead YouTube videos can be found embedded in blog posts and even news articles these days because media corporations like Viacom are taking down YouTube uploads of news reports, music videos, TV clips, and even TV commercials.

i wouldn't even mind if such content were never posted to YouTube in the first place. at least then we wouldn't run into dead YouTube videos left and right. i just wish internet news sites and news blogs would learn to just avoid Viacom/NBC/Fox/etc.'s content. if those companies don't want the free publicity or promotion for their shows/artists, then just ignore them in your online reporting. cover indie bands or indie filmmakers. there's plenty of better quality free content out there that you know won't get taken down by the copyright holders.

Is this really all that bad? (4, Informative)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581519)

The summary seems to be describing this as if it's a bad thing.

FTA:

The firms will also be able to take advantage of YouTube's Content ID system which attempts to identify copyrighted material which has been uploaded without permission. Firms taking part in the scheme can opt for such clips, rather than being taken offline as normal, to remain on the site but with advertising added.

So rather than youtube deleting every TV show/music video/sports clip/etc. uploaded by users that violates copyright, the company that owns the copyrights to the video can now sell ad space on the video. It's not like they're selling ad space to CBS for someone's video blog, the person doesn't legally have the right to upload a video that someone else owns, at least now the videos can stay up, but with annoying ads.

Re:Is this really all that bad? (4, Interesting)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581679)

I agree. Yet it doesn't say what protections are in place for keeping CBS's ads out of clips mistakenly identified as belonging to CBS. Will companies like Lucasfilm put ads in legally allowed parodies like Chad Vader that actually have very little to do with actual Lucasfilm characters and nothing to do with their plots?

Re:Is this really all that bad? (3, Informative)

Anxiety35 (943402) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582609)

They've planning this for some time. I got an email over a month ago telling me that "Diaganol View" claimed copyright on a Reuters video I had uploaded. Part of their email said:

"As long as diaganol view has a claim on your video, they will receive public statistics about your video, such as number of views... [Diaganol may also] place advertisements on this video's watch page."

They also said I could dispute the claim, so mistaken videos shouldn't be too much of a problem (hopefully).

Just blue-skying here (1)

PontifexPrimus (576159) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581915)

So, if they don't want to run an expensive ad campaign they just upload strategically crippled clips through a straw-man, "discover" them and then allow them to stay (in exchange for free advertisement they embed and a share of the advertising revenue from those clips).

Nope, doesn't sound like a bad thing at all.

Re:Just blue-skying here (1)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582165)

So, if they don't want to run an expensive ad campaign they just upload strategically crippled clips through a straw-man, "discover" them and then allow them to stay (in exchange for free advertisement they embed and a share of the advertising revenue from those clips).

Not even close, they still have to pay for the advertising, the only difference is they don't have to go through the trouble of uploading the video if someone already did it. They would require even more work going through a third party and claiming copyright infringement than they would if they just uploaded the videos themselves, with no benefit at all. The only way it would help them if someone else uploaded the video, would be if that video had a lot of views (it's easier to sell ad space for something a lot of people are watching.)

Re:Is this really all that bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26583825)

So rather than youtube deleting every TV show/music video/sports clip/etc. uploaded by users that violates copyright

"that companies CLAIM violates copyright". There, fixed that for you...

I wonder... (2, Insightful)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581523)

...when all these brilliant marketing peoples will stop seeing advertising as another "revenue stream" and see it as "another reason not to use the service".

Kinda like me.

Re:I wonder... (5, Informative)

CaptCovert (868609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581763)

So, I guess you're a /. subscriber as well?

Or have you not noticed the banners on all the pages?

Marketing people will stop seeing advertising as a revenue stream when people actually stop using a service because of the advertisements. Or, to put it another way: marketing people will stop seeing advertising as another revenue stream when it actually stops being a revenue stream.

Re:I wonder... (1)

arotenbe (1203922) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582091)

Or have you not noticed the banners on all the pages?

I can't speak for the OP, but I'm not a subscriber and I don't see ads on Slashdot. Or anywhere, for that matter. Can you say "Adblock Plus" and "NoScript"?

Re:I wonder... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26583351)

I don't like NoScript and AdBlock is meh. Most of the time it creates more work than I want to deal with (temp allow stuff to find out if its an ad or not then always allow or block it) and then disrupts the actual layout of the website and leaves large blank areas that are still in the way, just like the ads I now subconsciously ignore.

I don't like how whenever it updates it chooses to open up their homepage in Firefox afterwords. I don't like how I get nagged when blocking google-analytics (was testing; I don't really care if you know I live in WA).

I guess if I went to sites that were annoying it would be good, but when I find an annoying site I leave it and NEVER COME BACK.

To each their own though. Slashdot's baner ads are innocent enough and not intrusive. I pretty much never click on it (occasionally I like to look at ThinkGeek anyways and so I've twice used it.

Re:I wonder... (1)

woot account (886113) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582163)

Or do you browse with AdBlock? I honestly had forgotten the big, ugly ads /. has, because I've had them blocked for so long.

Re:I wonder... (1, Interesting)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582179)

What banner ads? To be honest, I have never seen a SINGLE banner ad here on slashdot, or most places for that matter.

Ad-Blocker Plus since the day I installed Firefox.

Your argument falls kinda flat, since I seriously doubt the marketers keep track(or even know) of how many people actually stop using a service because of advertising frustrations. It would go AGAINST them if they were to actually make that information available to prospective advertisers.

I used to watch 10-12 hrs a week of Television. Now I watch MAYBE 1-2 hrs simply because the ads now comprise approx. 60% of the content on Comcast cable.

And, yeah, when I can no longer turn off the ads here on /., I'll stop coming here. Then, you might say, slashdot will fall and crumble without the advertising revenue. So be it. Find a business model that works.

Re:I wonder... (2, Interesting)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582427)

Your argument falls kinda flat, since I seriously doubt the marketers keep track(or even know) of how many people actually stop using a service because of advertising frustrations. It would go AGAINST them if they were to actually make that information available to prospective advertisers.

Your argument doesn't even make sense. If you're blocking the ads, they can't be bothering you, because you don't even see them, so why do you even care?

As for revenue, the advertisers are obviously making money, or they'd stop doing it. You think they just get a kick out of annoying people (or in your case being completely ignored)? Some idiot marketting drone is saying "Damn, I'm losing money, but annoying the shit out of everybody is worth it! Haha!"?

And, yeah, when I can no longer turn off the ads here on /., I'll stop coming here. Then, you might say, slashdot will fall and crumble without the advertising revenue. So be it. Find a business model that works.

No, I don't think they will. I also block the ads here, but if I couldn't for some reason, I would subscribe before I stopped coming here. Not everybody is a cheap bastard.

Re:I wonder... (2, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584219)

No, I don't think they will. I also block the ads here, but if I couldn't for some reason, I would subscribe before I stopped coming here. Not everybody is a cheap bastard.

I would subscribe when they make it worth my while by adding features to the subscribe site I find value in, not when they make the free site so abominably bad that would consider paying not to use it.

Given most aren't subscribers, and most would leave if the site got that abominably bad, and the core value of the site is the people, there wouldn't be much point in subscribing to what was left any way.

Re:I wonder... (2, Informative)

steelfood (895457) | more than 5 years ago | (#26585267)

To bring this back into relevency, youtube's a little different though.

1) You can't block their video ads.

2) The quality of service they offer is completely dependent on their users.

They won't disappear because of all the small-fry users getting pissed and leaving. But they certainly won't have the mindshare of the masses as a place to host homemade videos online.

Re:I wonder... (1)

ponraul (1233704) | more than 5 years ago | (#26586065)

I guess the slashdot equivalent would be inserting subtle ad text into all the +5 comments. Now that I think about it, I better patent that idea.

Re:I wonder... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26581853)

God forbid the people creating these wonderful services have the money to support and run it in the future. What is this world coming to.

Re:I wonder... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26582043)

Feel free to use another site...

And then a flood of people start using that site and the site owners see the bandwidth bill, they'll crap their pants and put ads up on their site too.

Re:I wonder... (3, Insightful)

nicklott (533496) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582241)

Because the services cost money to run and are free to use.

For most websites advertising is not just another revenue stream, it's their ONLY revenue stream. Servers and bandwidth cost money, and if you're doing something right, lots of money. If you're doing something right with video it's a heinous amount of money. Having a successful website doesn't qualify you for instant magic payments, you have to go earn the money somehow.

It's amazing that so many bright people who work with technology just don't get this concept (perhaps they live mainly in academia, where you do get magic payments)

The subscription revenue model died out five years ago. It didn't work. It turns out most people prefer to have their content for free and see a few ads rather than pay $30 a year for no ads. I have seen sites that went the wrong direction (ad funded to subscription only) and they either very quickly reverted or died. Traffic dropped by 90-99%, revenue by 50-75%. They can make it in some very specialised sectors (eg finance, nautical weather) but by and large it's a dud model.

Re:I wonder... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26582357)

You, and people like you, are the cancer of everything.
You expect things for free, "GIVE ME FREE THINGS, I'M POOR"
What bloody harm is a text ad? Seriously, tell me, you paranoid deluded fool.

You seriously believe that you have any privacy?
Wake up, you're a slave, a drone, a simple cog.
Just being on this site alone proves that because you have almost certainly paid for internet using a bank account, you are tied to society now, my fellow human.

Re:I wonder... (-1, Troll)

bit01 (644603) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582585)

Lots of insecure marketing 'droids here trying to justify their useless "jobs". Ah gee, where's my miniature violin.

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The majority of modern marketing is nothing more than an arms race to get mind share. Everybody loses except the parasitic marketing "industry".

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26582653)

Just curious here, how exactly did you find this site?

Re:I wonder... (0)

dontmakemethink (1186169) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583079)

Something people don't realize - the word "advertising" means to influence people to do what they do not want to do, aka are adverse to doing. It is not merely steering them towards one of several available options, that would be "divertising". It gives me a chuckle that advertisers don't use a better term to call advertising, like "promotions". They openly declare the worst aspect of their work.

Re:I wonder... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26584257)

Well, I got my current, rather well paid job as a programmer less than two months ago despite the current economical situation.

I found the place by following a quite well targeted google ad on /. as the company had placed one for open spots. They still have some,

The Ad helped me a lot. It helped the company that was hiring. And /. got a bit of money from that too.

Buuuuut... I probably should have just used adBlock like the rest of you.

Seriously, get your heads out off your asses. Remove the default blocklists. Notice how many actually interesting, humorous, smart and useful ads exist. Then use adBlock to block the most annoying large flashes on the websites you use a lot by making blacklists of your own.

Re:I wonder... (1)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584369)

Absolute crap. Adverse is a completely different word both in spelling and meaning. The advertising business on the other hand might well have those aims, but the word merely means to display openly.

The etymology of "Advertise" (1)

flaming error (1041742) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584473)

That's really interesting. I'd never heard that before.

Perhaps because it isn't true:

advertise
c.1430, "to take notice of," from M.Fr. advertiss-, prp. stem of a(d)vertir "warn," from L. advertere "turn toward," from ad- "toward" + vertere "to turn" see versus). Original sense remains in advert "to give attention to." Sense of advertise shifted to "give notice to others, warn" (1490) by influence of advertisement, which meant "public notice (of anything, but often of a sale)" by c.1460. The modern, commercial meaning was fully developed by 18c.

Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper

If you'd like other opinions, you can read more here [reference.com]

Re:I wonder... (2, Informative)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584483)

Probably around the same time that all services and content becomes free to create and run with all their employees volunteering to keep it running without being paid.

What a horrible question. Do you honestly expect someone to run a service providing trillions of video streams and never take any money from it? How exactly is the bandwidth going to be paid for? How will the employees be paid?

Advertising is currently the only viable solution to this problem. If you think you have a better one, implement it and put Google out of business.

invasive popups are already annoying (2, Insightful)

Satanboy (253169) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581529)

I am already annoyed by the number of popups I see on youtube nowadays.

I rarely use the site anymore just because its so damn annoying having all those little bubbles overlaying my video clip. I know I can close them, but its just bothersome and annoying.

I wonder if this will be another nail in the coffin for the service?

overlay on a video you haven't made yourself? (3, Insightful)

aleph42 (1082389) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581541)

Okay, so this sounds really smart at first: studios get some money when people watch something they have helped create, and the mashup artist gets some peace to show his stuff.

But wait... the ad would not be beside the video, but *overlaid* ????

So let me get this straight:

    - knock knock, we're from the 'church' of Scientology, and we own the content to that (anti-scientology) clip. Can we overlay it with an ad for us, which lasts for the whole duration of the video, and cover the whole screen?
    - Sure, I'm just an automated bot; pay me 10$ and you'll be on your way!

Nice (5, Funny)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26581595)

I can see it now..."LOL FUNNY!!! MAN LIGHTS FART," inadvertently sponsored by Bic Lighters and Kingston charcoal!

Seriously though, the auto-inserted ads could lead to some hilarious juxtapositions. I hope it's smarter than gmail, which always tries to sell me panties and "bachelorette party supplies."

Re:Nice (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26582401)

>I hope it's smarter than gmail, which always tries to sell me panties and "bachelorette party supplies."

Something tells me if you should stop writing your friends about fun anal insertion and about wearing tiaras, those awful ads will go away.

Re:Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26582715)

I hope it's smarter than gmail, which always tries to sell me panties and "bachelorette party supplies."

What have you been emailing about!?

vs alternatives (1)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582353)

I've known for months that they've been doing this, just because I've been getting email notices stating it.

I prefer the ads to silent or removed videos or suspended accounts.

Braaains (2, Interesting)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582373)

So, will YouTube bother vetting these ads, or will they become the next great haven for unvetted rogue Flash ads that redirect you to malware sites?

Re:Braaains (3, Insightful)

techess (1322623) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582873)

I would guess so. I'm guessing that is why they've been vetting their videos. First they got rid of everything sexually explicit and now they are getting rid of things that are graphic. Probably because they don't want to piss off their advertisers. One of my favorite former youtube videos was of a guy who had wrapped tinfoil around his male parts and stuck it into an electric socket. No naughty bits showed (less than what you can see in a PG-13 movie) but they've pulled it from the site.

Though I think I would laugh so hard I'd wet myself if the tinfoil video was followed by a Reynold commercial.

Re:Braaains (1)

halcyon1234 (834388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583271)

So, will YouTube bother vetting these ads, or will they become the next great haven for unvetted rogue Flash ads that redirect you to malware sites?

Worse. Some dumbass content owner (not creator) will decide that the viewers need to be punished. They'll toss a goatse into all of their ID's content.

But what if...? (2, Insightful)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582377)

What happens to misappropriated by Big Media content?

Let's say my vid of "Babe" gets tagged as infringing by the group Styx or the owners of the pig movie. Now they are illegally profiting off of my IP, what recourse is there? Sure, the number of people in this situation will be small, but not insignificant.

Re:But what if...? (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584409)

I'm sure they wouldn't just add a clause (if it isn't already) giving themselves permission to do such things with content you upload to their service.

Their lawyers wouldn't have even considered such a thing!

how do i disputed claim? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584425)

Let's say my vid of "Babe" gets tagged as infringing by the group Styx or the owners of the pig movie. Now they are illegally profiting off of my IP, what recourse is there?

I'm guessing it'll act similarly to the existing procedure for disputing copyright complaints [slashdot.org] .

this could be a very good thing! (1)

Wescotte (732385) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582497)

Everyone seems to want to host/control their own content. Many of them are offering their content for free just to reserve some level of control. If youtube allows them to cut the cost of hosting their own content AND make a profit while doing it why would anyone not allow youtube to host their content?

As youtube starts to focus on increasing the quality of what they stream we could potentially see a new alternative to cable/sat TV and maybe finally get an à la carte service we so desperately want!

One last thing I wanted to mention is how youtube really is the evolution of public access TV. We've lost a lot of it over the years and even more so when we finally go digital. Why doesn't youtube get government funding for hosting this content?

Overlaid ads are a copyright infringment? (1)

iplayfast (166447) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582501)

If I upload my own material to youtube, and youtube puts an ad on top of it, isn't that similar to marking it as their own, (or the advertisers). As the copyright holder, I don't think I want text over writing the video.

Re:Overlaid ads are a copyright infringment? (2, Informative)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582721)

I think you wave that right when you choose to upload to YouTube and abide by their ToS.

Re:Overlaid ads are a copyright infringment? (0, Redundant)

Hork_Monkey (580728) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582755)

You would be waiving that right as a part of their terms of service.

Nothing is free. There is always a price.

Re:Overlaid ads are a copyright infringment? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26582809)

I am sure there will be an EULA update to cover this, simply don't use the service or accept there terms.

How will it be handled? (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582707)

Considering the fact that Youtube takes all DMCA violations without investigation how will they handle these new ad requests? I mean will they really investigate if I send them a letter saying I own the rights to CSI and demand they post my ads? I would be pretty annoyed if they bend over backwards to make sure that doesn't happen, while at the same time banning users who posted material that was accidently DMCAed by a major corp. On the other hand if they don't filter these requests it could be pandemonium with everybody claiming the rights (and revenue) to every clip on the planet.

Strange wording (1)

Allicorn (175921) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582833)

by allowing major media players to run their own ads on the video site for ... illegally uploaded content by other users

.

Major media players are going to be posting video advertisements for the illegally uploaded content (whatever the hell that is) of other users?

Surely the author means "on", "in", "within" or somesuch?

har! (2, Insightful)

phaetonic (621542) | more than 5 years ago | (#26582837)

So its going to be like hulu.com

Before or After not in between! (2, Insightful)

myspace-cn (1094627) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583109)

I really hope they place this advertising before or after the content of the video, instead of right across the intelligence of the video itself. Mangling the works.

Not so bad! (3, Interesting)

BiggyMcLargeHuge (1460305) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583281)

I have to say... I think this is a great idea. I post weekly videos to Youtube and every once in a while will put music to them. The last one I put up had an old 80's song in it, and lo and behold, the next day I received a copyright "notice" that gave me 2 options: 1 - do nothing and have an ad to buy the song via iTunes or Amazon placed at the bottom of the vid while the music was playing, or 2 - dispute it. I have to say that I dont care if they want to put ads because I really am using their property without permission and it's a MUCH better option than having the video completely removed (which I have had happen in the past for an image of a product), or having your account closed.

another incorrect use of "content" (1)

brre (596949) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583635)

not only their own content, but illegally uploaded content by other users

It's pretty difficult to have illegal content. You mean "expression" or more specifically, "video". Content is pretty much impossible to own.

So let's rewrite this correctly: "not only video posted by owners, but also video posted illegally by others".

Monetary gain from illegal content (2, Informative)

zzyzyx (1382375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26583889)

I highly doubt gaining revenue from illegally obtained/generated content is legal. I assume it's assimilable to possession if stolen goods.

Almost 1/3 million silenced YouTube videos (2, Interesting)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584507)

I've been keeping an eye on the search results for YouTube videos silenced by WMG [google.co.uk] from it's original report on an earlier slashdot discussion of 13,600 videos, right now the number is at 294,000 videos and a lot of them have now been removed.

Looks like WMG are losing out on a very BIG advertising revenue stream by removing almost 1/3 million videos, and the number will most likely grow (1/2 million? 1 million?). If they had any intelligence they'd have turned this debacle into a new revenue stream. A lot of the videos silenced/removed have had millions of views, I certainly wouldn't say no to that level of page views if I could make money from it.

WMP and VLC ads? (1)

DeadboltX (751907) | more than 5 years ago | (#26584559)

Major media players... like Windows Media Player and VLC!

YouTube has ads? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26584711)

So, YouTube has advertisements on their site? I guess ad blockers do a good job. Unless this scheme plans to interlace/whatever it within the actual video, do they expect it to work?

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