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Midnight Commander Development Revived

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the always-nice-to-see-popular-packages-resurrected dept.

Unix 304

richlv writes "Popular Unix console file manager Midnight Commander has experienced a stall for the last few years. Most distributions (including the conservative Slackware) shipped patched packages or snapshots. Despite that, everybody had a favorite bug or two — either inability to specify ssh connection port, or problems with interrupted FTP sessions. Or maybe copying of larger datasets. Or maybe the infamous 'shell is still active' message, which often brought unexpected changes of current directory with it. Whatever it was, we either cursed it every time, or learned to live with it. It seems that finally something many were waiting for has happened — there's some activity on mc development. Check out the new homepage, and let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy."

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Red title? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612629)

Uh, why is the title red on the front page?

Re:Red title? (0, Offtopic)

DrData99 (916924) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612661)

'cuz you could have had a first post...

"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy." (4, Funny)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612659)

Yes, and let's welcome them back by taking down their webserver.

Nice job.

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (5, Funny)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612723)

Yes, and let's welcome them back by taking down their webserver.

Nice job.

Seriously, three comments and the server's already 500ing?!? I had to get Winnertz Patrick's phone number from the whois information and call him to ask about the new MC.

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (4, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612845)

Seriously, three comments and the server's already 500ing?!? I had to get Winnertz Patrick's phone number from the whois information and call him to ask about the new MC.

So not only is their server going to be down, but now their Web admin's phone is going to be ringing off the hook!

Way to go, dude.

Mirror (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612875)

I didn't get a 500, so here's a mirror:
(not quite what I expected, to be honest ;-) )

Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/trac/web/api.py", line 339, in send_error
        'text/html')
    File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/trac/web/chrome.py", line 715, in render_template
        return stream.render(method, doctype=doctype)
    File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/genshi/core.py", line 179, in render
        return encode(generator, method=method, encoding=encoding, out=out)
    File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/genshi/output.py", line 60, in encode
        return _encode(u''.join(list(iterator)))
    File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/genshi/output.py", line 311, in __call__
        for kind, data, pos in stream:
    File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/genshi/output.py", line 753, in __call__
        for kind, data, pos in stream:
    File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/genshi/output.py", line 592, in __call__
        for kind, data, pos in stream:
    File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/genshi/output.py", line 707, in __call__
        text = mjoin(textbuf, escape_quotes=False)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xfc in position 1640: ordinal not in range(128)

Re:Mirror (5, Funny)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612987)

My god, it's full of code!

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613543)

Sorry for this.

There are currently over 2000 different IPs online on the webserver _per minute_. We are currently looking for a solution to fix this as fast as possible :S Sorry for the downtime (and thanks for your excellent DoS! :))

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613615)

Seriously, three comments and the server's already 500ing?!?

It was probably running Dolphin. [wikipedia.org]

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (1)

UnNamedLINUX (637576) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613741)

I love mc

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (2)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612741)

Couldn't have been a very beefy webserver if the subscriber preview was enough to knock it offline. Insert lame and predictable jokes here.

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (5, Funny)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613009)

So Lame and Predictable walk into this bar...

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613369)

... Lame fell over and Predictable smiled.

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613455)

I can't find a SourceForge page for the Predictable project. Can you point me to some info on it?

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613087)

They're doing development on Midnight Commander...I doubt they thought they were going to need a ton of resources.

Still, I'm glad to see 'em back. MC is a big help when you're working on the console.

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (3, Funny)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613089)

Priceless. Dead as a doornail. *sigh* Still, it's nice to see MC being developed again. (Or not see in the case of what we've done to the server. See? This is why we can't have nice things!)

MC is always my go to file manager in Linux. I've tried other graphical clients, and none cut it for ease of use and simplicity.

All hail Midnight Commander's victorious return!

Re:"let's hope revival is both healthy and lengthy (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613777)

Okay.. thanks for taking down my/our webserver.. however most of the people will be interested in the sourcecode (at least I hope so).

For those which only want to have the code, please have a look on this git mirror:

  http://repo.or.cz/w/midnight-commander.git

as I've currently took down the webserver because it makes no sense to let him running this way. I'll search for a solution as fast as possible.

Greetings
Patrick Winnertz
on behalf of the MC Development Team

Sweet (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612687)

Yeah! Let's post about some obscure piece of software so unused not even unemployed open sores "programmers" want to touch it.

Re:Sweet (4, Informative)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612805)

Yeah! Let's post about some obscure piece of software so unused not even unemployed open sores "programmers" want to touch it.

Congratulations, you have officially identified yourself as completely clueless.

Re:Sweet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612971)

How come? If you are implying that I do not know about MC, I'm well aware of it just as much as I know that it, like many open sores applications are mere copies of commercial alternatives as open sores "programmers" are seldom useful for producing innovative software. This is why most of them work with software maintenance, as even though they might be skilled at what the do due to pure root memorization, they can virtually never apply that knowledge to produce something *new*.

Re:Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613059)

it's source! not sores! know the difference!

sores - the things you feel around you anus when you wipe.

source - the code and files that make up a program.

I ask you, how can you confuse these two things?

Re:Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613285)

I ask you, how can you confuse these two things?

An open source developer once fucked him in the ass and gave him herpes, so now he automatically conflates sores with source?

Re:Sweet (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613929)

True, open sores "programmers" often tend to go for their own gender, not necessarily because they are homosexual, but because after half a lifetime of rejections from the female gender, they turn to their own. Sad really. It gives those who are homosexual by birth also a bad repution.

Arg! not mc again!! (1, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613473)

The two programs that drive me bonkers are mc and vi. Why? because I'm not savvy to their syntax and their is no obvious way to get out of them once you launch them. Control-c and control-d and control-z all seem to get captured by mc.

So many times I've accidentally typed mc when I meant something else!

Of course by now I've memorized that :q gets me out of vi.

I suppose you could give the same lament about emacs but one never accidentally types "emacs". Most unix command lines are 2 letters so one has the muscle memory habit of typing them. So it's very easy to type mc or (less frequently) vi accidentally.

Re:Arg! not mc again!! (4, Insightful)

muckracer (1204794) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613625)

> The two programs that drive me bonkers are mc and vi. Why?
> because I'm not savvy to their syntax and their is no obvious way
> to get out of them once you launch them.

So F10 for QUIT is too hard, especially when it's actually printed on the key bar (which in every distro I tried was always set to be displayed by default)?
C'mon man...

Re:Arg! not mc again!! (2, Informative)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613919)

The function key line showing "10 QUIT" is displayed on the bottom left by default, the "eXit" option is displayed under the File menu in an obvious place at the bottom, and typing "exit" at the command line will exit the program just like it does any other shell.

With all due respect, what other information would you like? And how more obvious could it be?

I agree that quitting isn't obvious if you don't think of it as a shell AND if you don't have your F-keys properly defined in your xterm or ssh client, but that's a user issue, IMO.

Equating the mc UI with the vi UI is ... silly.

window maker ??? (4, Interesting)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612751)

I'm still waiting for a restart on wmaker's development. anyone have any news about it ?

Re:window maker ??? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613047)

Why? What further development does it need?

Re:window maker ??? (1)

zorn169 (988789) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613125)

I check up on window maker once or twice a year. There was actually recent activity on the mailing lists the last I checked. Not a lot of traffic, but a lot more than there had been.

great for patch work (5, Interesting)

nevets (39138) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612777)

I love mc!

I use it all the time for patch management. One little tidbit that most people do not know about mc is that you can cd into a patch. Edit the diffs in the patch, and copy a diff from one patch to another patch file, just like copying or moving a file.

bleh. (-1, Flamebait)

fishnuts (414425) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612779)

Can't we just let it die? How many people still must do mundane file management and don't have access to a GUI and whom don't use the commandline?

Re:bleh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612841)

mc is great in a headless environment. I think a lot of *nix admins appreciate it. I know i do. Its great when your on a server with the minimum installed, and you need to copy stuff and the console is not cutting it ...

Re:bleh. (4, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612921)

What kind of minimum installation includes midnight commander but doesn't include cp?

Re:bleh. (4, Insightful)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613041)

The cp command doesn't allow for the arbitrary point-and-shoot selection of files to copy, and it also doesn't have some of the more useful related functionality (e.g., directory comparison) that I use all the time in mc.

It's an *addition* to the standard admin toolset, not a replacement. IMO.

Re:bleh. (1)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612975)

No admin should touch it as it is an unreliabel PoS. I haven't used it in probably 10+ years, but I can remember it dropping things into never never land more often than I'd like to recall.

Re:bleh. (2)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613167)

Any admin who judges current software based on dim memories of 10-year-old incarnations needs to get out a little and breathe the flowery air of fresh software development. :-)

Seriously. I've been using it on multiple platforms for close to a decade now, and I'm not sure I can remember it misplacing anything. Without my accidentally telling it to, anyway... These computer thingies are so literal. :-) :-)

Re:bleh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612917)

The command line/textual environment lets us be more productive than using point and click. For example, if I was using Konqueror or Dolphin, to delete a directory I'd have to open it up, go to the directory where it is, click it, and delete it. In the command line I'd be able to cd /to/the/directory rmdir and *BOOM*. Way faster.

Re:bleh. (1)

feldicus (1367687) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613467)

You know, if we're being pedantic, you had to do exactly the same thing. You had to navigate to the parent of the directory you wanted to 86, then invoke the command to delete the folder. The only difference is that your navigation involved typing, whereas the point-and-clicker got there with a mouse.

Then again, rational argument isn't what /. is about, is it?

feldicus

Re:bleh. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613161)

You must be a KDE-user. I use gnome, and nautilus isn't exactly useful for real work.

Re:bleh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613461)

Seconded.

Re:bleh. (1)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613209)

I was using MC just two days ago for moving a bunch of files around. Sure you can use commandline stuff for a few files, but if you're working with a large number of files, like I was, MC was the easiest way to do it.

I've yet to find a graphical file manager in Linux I actually like.

Re:bleh. (1)

Arker (91948) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613503)

Some of us have access to a GUI but are smart enough to use a better tool anyway.

Re:bleh. (2, Insightful)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613889)

Define better. GUIs are sometimes faster and sometimes the commandline is faster. Both have ups and downs in terms of both speed and security. I like to use them both.

"inability to specify ssh connection port" (-1, Flamebait)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612783)

God, is it any wonder why Digg is kicking Slashdot's butt?! Keep this up and the mighty Slashdot will be nothing more than a niche site frequented by sticky men who proudly use pocket protectors.

Re:"inability to specify ssh connection port" (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612915)

As opposed to a swarm of smelly teenagers lolwtfing at the latest trendy way to spell 'pwnage'?

Re:"inability to specify ssh connection port" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612979)

Yeah! You'd think this site puts up "News for nerds. Stuff the matters"! Psh. We need to follow the latest pop culture music groups on here!

Re:"inability to specify ssh connection port" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613349)

Not to mention "here's today's EPIC Obama pic" {PIC]

Re:"inability to specify ssh connection port" (1)

feldicus (1367687) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613547)

Listen, if you're not interested in the type of supercomputer used to suggest the next Weird Al parody, you can just get the fuck out!

feldicus

Re:"inability to specify ssh connection port" (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613113)

God, is it any wonder why Digg is kicking Slashdot's butt?!

I've spent quite a bit of time on Digg, and I can tell you that Digg is not a technology site. It's a social networking site where users share the latest and greatest information in whatever area suites their fancy. As Slashdot's tagline "News for Nerds" suggests, Slashdot is for nerds. Midnight Commander news is certainly nerdy and therefore on topic.

Furthermore, the "Stuff that matters" part is intended to assure that Slashdot news won't be quite a banal as Digg's news. Digg users may care that user X just managed to get a four day old story to "pop", but the world outside of Digg's user-networks really doesn't care.

So with all respect intended, your complaints are duly noted and ignored. Now get off my lawn, ya' darn kids!

Re:"inability to specify ssh connection port" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613449)

You neglected to mention that the signal-to-noise ratio on both sites is extremely low. Now, you can go lower (YouTube, GameFAQs, then 4chan), but given the userbase, I'm quite disappointed. A nuanced opinion is an uncommon thing at both sites, everything is always this black or white, good and evil issue.

Such views are symptomatic of a very naive mind.

Re:"inability to specify ssh connection port" (3, Funny)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613983)

How about a "Top 5 greatest Linux file managers that you should use" with full res HD 1080p screenshot per page with a stupid concl-... er...

*Ducks and runs*

Norton is going to be pissed... (1)

Hoplite3 (671379) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612801)

when he learns someone his cloning his file manager.

I'm interested to hear from MC users the advantages of MC over say konqueror with frames and fish to do remote file management.

Re:Norton is going to be pissed... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612937)

I'm interested to hear from MC users the advantages of MC over say konqueror with frames and fish to do remote file management.

How about not needing an X-Windows environment?

Re:Norton is going to be pissed... (1)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613217)

He still alive? I thought he sold it all the Symantec anyway, including rights to use his name. Oh yea I remember now he married Gwen Adams after his divorce from Eileen Harris, further proof of the old saying that once you go black you never go back.

Re:Norton is going to be pissed... (1)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613715)

I thought he sold it all the Symantec anyway, including rights to use his name

And I'm sure he's considering suing them for defamation of character.

Re:Norton is going to be pissed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613371)

I'm interested to hear from MC users the advantages of MC over say konqueror with frames and fish to do remote file management.

How about doing things 10 times faster?

Re:Norton is going to be pissed... (2, Informative)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613537)

How do I use konqueror with frames and fish on my web tablet? :-)

MC is self-contained, relatively easy to install, fast, and works with vanilla ssh. Not sure what frames and fish are (links?), but I'd be surprised if they were as easy to install for a non-root user (as I often am).

Re:Norton is going to be pissed... (2, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613755)

Frames are just that, frames. Like in a web browser, but instead for your file browser. Pretty simple. MC has 2 frames, konquorer can have as many frames as you like.

FiSH is a Filesystem over SsH. Put fish://user@host/path/ in your konqueror address bar and you can browse a remote filesystem just as if it were local. It all works out of the box too, really nice.

Re:Norton is going to be pissed... (1)

julian67 (1022593) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613947)

Your assumption being that the headless/non X capable machine is administered from a machine running X. Another assumption is that the administrator using the assumed-to-be-existing computer running KDE *shudder* actually wants to use Konqueror as opposed to a terminal emulator and screen. For anyone who can remember 5 keyboard combos there are reasons to prefer a terminal emulator and screen. How about if you need to be logged into and working on several remote machines....screen or Konqueror? The keyboard is not just a receptacle for toast crumbs and suspicious looking hairs (though it's good for that too).

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26612825)

Yeah, um.

Why?

Why was it revived, or put another way, why did it die in the first place? Could it be because of one of the bugs you cited or the number of them or the fact that, well, why not just type 'cp' or 'mv' or whatever the frick problem this software was supposed to solve. In 1994.

Amish (2, Funny)

heson (915298) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612837)

Amish 2.0, now with computers but with the ui equivilient of a buggy.

Re:Amish (1)

Lobster Quadrille (965591) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613563)

Nah, nothing says buggy like a windows-based file manager.

The best piece of software since 4DOS. :-) (4, Interesting)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612897)

Midnight Commander is one of the tools that I could live without, but I sure wouldn't want to. I use it all over the place ... on the Solaris servers and my Windows XP workstation here at work, on my Linux, OS/2, and Windows boxes at home, on my Nokia 770 tablet, etc.

It makes it easier to delete files and directory trees with certainty (and accuracy!), the built-in editor is good enough for modifying shell scripts and even making moderate code changes to more involved programs, its built-in FTP capability is invaluable when one has to flip a lot of files or directories between hosts, and its customizable menus and panelization capabilities can add some fairly powerful capabilities to even the most dedicated command-line user.

I love my Midnight Commander! :-)

Lengthy? (1)

pondermaster (1445839) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612931)

Not very lengthy, we slashdotted'em :)

And I thought it finally safe... (4, Funny)

pla (258480) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612967)

...To mistype "mv".

Seriously, I can't say much about the merits of Midnight Commander as an actual program, but for years I've not-so-silently cursed it for its choice of executable names.

Re:And I thought it finally safe... (2, Insightful)

drooling-dog (189103) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613231)

...To mistype "mv".

This is the first thing I thought of when I saw this article, and I had a bet with myself that someone else would mention it, too. There aren't many shell commands more common than "mv", and the 'c' key is sitting there right next to the 'v'. Yes, you can alias your way out of this, but I found it simpler and more satisfying to just "rm /usr/bin/mc".

Re:And I thought it finally safe... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613721)

Yes, you can alias your way out of this, but I found it simpler and more satisfying to just "rm /usr/bin/mc".

Um...or you could just remove the package properly. And complain to the idiot devs of your distro for installing such a niche package by default.

Re:And I thought it finally safe... (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613913)

I've had the same problem with metafont. The 'f' is even closer to the 'v' than the 'c' is. And the worst thing is, you can't even kill mf with ctrl-c. You have to ctrl-z out of it, then `kill -9 %1`.

Text displays in today's environment? (1, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#26612981)

As Midnight Commander is a text mode application. It can be used locally and/or remotely, on the console or under the X Window System.

Do text apps still have a place in today's world? Heck, network speeds and capacities (read bandwidth) have improved a great deal. I would rather have these programmers focus their efforts on Krusader [krusader.org] ? It seriously needs some love.

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613111)

Do text apps still have a place in today's world? That's like asking if we still need screw drivers when there is "The Flexible Shaft Ratcheting Screwdriver" (as sold on ThinkGeek, just below the comment I am commenting on when I was reading Slashdot).

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (1)

feldicus (1367687) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613623)

Hey, in the "Flexible Shaft Ratcheting Screwdriver's" defense, you can use it to drive a threaded, helical shaft via torque applied to a slotted protrusion after you're done using it to make steak fries, or whatever else the kids are eating these days.

feldicus

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (1)

CompMD (522020) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613153)

Yes, text displays in today's environment. The vast majority of servers don't need to have a bunch of X applications on them. Its a waste of resources.

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (3, Insightful)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613199)

I would rather have these programmers focus their efforts on Krusader [krusader.org] ? It seriously needs some love.

Ah, again the myth that open source developers are a free workforce you can redirect between projects on your whim... It just doesn't go like that, people work on whatever happens to interest them at the time.

(this comes from another Krusader user btw - by the look of their web page, they seem to be doing alright)

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (4, Insightful)

thermian (1267986) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613201)

Do text apps still have a place in today's world?

Not on the desktop, but there are large number of computer users who work on headless computers, and frankly don't want anything more than a console open with ssh.

I just completed a four year ph.d, during which my *entire* research effort was conducted using a linux cluster to which I connected via putty or bash, depending on where I was.

Yes I know, and so did my colleagues, that its possible with todays faster conection speed to run a gui over that connection, but why bother when you can already get so much done in a console window?

I use GUI apps a lot, they have an important place in the world of modern computing, but so do CLI apps.

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26613395)

and this is why there will never be a year of the linux desktop

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (1)

SaDan (81097) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613729)

Because every year is the year of the Linux server/cluster/router/toaster.

The only reason I run a GUI on desktops is so I can open more terminals and use a web browser.

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (1)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 5 years ago | (#26614005)

Wait a minute... Midnight Commander is a Unix console file manager? Dammit! I just figured that with an awesome sounding name like "Midnight Commander" it had to be some kind of a sweet new action game, and so I pre-ordered a copy for my XBox.

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (1)

Sir_Kurt (92864) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613245)

Text mode apps are great because they fire up quickly, look and act the same on different platforms, can be highly functional and flexible, and use moderate resources. For all these reasons, they will use less of your time. So if your time is important to you, learn to use them.

Kurt

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (0, Offtopic)

julian67 (1022593) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613267)

There's very much a place for console applications. If you ssh into a machine that has no graphics capability you'll have an awful lot of trouble running Krusader on it ;-) There are lots of great applications which use curses/ncurses to offer interfaces and facilities analogous to gui apps and there are also plenty of apparently low end machines out there on which running X and a desktop is too expensive, i.e. start x and watch everything else hang, but when run without X the same machines are perfectly suited to their tasks and have years of useful life ahead of them. I also have an amd64 PC with 2 GB RAM, nvidia GPU etc. MC is installed and gets used regularly on that as well. That says a lot for the capabilities of MC but also some not so favourable things about GTK file managers.... Anyway I'm pleased to see there are people interested in reviving development of MC.

Re:Text displays in today's environment? (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613545)

Do text apps still have a place in today's world?

I tried to reply to you in pictographs and hieroglyphs, but accursed slashcode forces me to use text.

I would rather have these programmers focus their efforts on Krusader ? It seriously needs some love.

So jump right in! Meanwhile, no programmers are being drafted against their will to work on one program over another.

(This is a longstanding gripe of mine at the fringes of Free Software. "That developer shouldn't be wasting his time on <program x>; <program y> needs the attention more!" "Free Software" is not a monolithic corporate product with its own integrated master schedule with a list of prioritized deliverables. It's the aggregate of dozens of labors of love, and if Developer Joe decides he wants to spend time with mc rather than Krusader, who are you to say otherwise?)

Point well taken (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613841)

I understand what you are saying. Sadly, it is this very paradigm that will keep us from "world domination" yet we have the resources.

Sad indeed! 10 years from today, we'll still be where we are now...you might ask: Where? I would answer: STUCK in the corridors of irrelevance when it comes to the desktop.

Re:Point well taken (2, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#26614011)

I'm pretty sure the people working on this project would consider anything "desktop" oriented irrelevant.

If I can type 'mc', hit a bunch of hotkeys, and be done in a couple of seconds isnt' that a tool worth having? I can do a hell of a lot with mc before krusader even loads up. And I don't even have to take my fingers off the keyboard.

That's not irrelevant to the desktop, that's a superior alternative to the desktop.

Screenshots? (4, Funny)

edmicman (830206) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613211)

Server is down...anyone have screenshots?

Re:Screenshots? (-1, Troll)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613989)

Just type mv a few times. At least once you will accidently type mc, then spend a minute finding out how to get out of this POS.

Magellan? (2, Interesting)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613379)

While we're resurrecting old text mode utilities, can we get a modern Magellan clone? None of the search front-ends to stuff like Spotlight or Beagle that I've tried come close to being as cool as Magellan was.

By the way, does Magellan still work on Windows? The last time I tried was probably on XP SP1.

Midnight Commander should die (0, Flamebait)

1s44c (552956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613453)

Midnight commander is a classic example of making things too easy. Anyone that can't or doesn't want to use command line tools has no business moving files around on any unix machine.

It's windows mentality to patronize users, it's not unix mentality.

Re:Midnight Commander should die (0, Flamebait)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613559)

Totally agree. Mod parent up.

Re:Midnight Commander should die (3, Interesting)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613633)

The choice of tools that one has is rarely an either/or choice.

That's why I tend to write a mix of shell scripts, Perl, and C code depending on the task at hand.

It's also why I sometimes use Midnight Commander to perform tasks which I could also manage using other (and often simpler) tools. Sometimes file copies in the morning go astray -- I find this happens less often when I use a tool which explicitly shows me the destination. Sometimes using a color-coded editor is nice when my eyes are tired and I'm not on a server which has vim installed (that means most of them here).

It's Windows mentality to assume that there's only one solution for the job, it's not UNIX mentality. :-)

Re:Midnight Commander should die (1)

IgnoramusMaximus (692000) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613833)

You totally miss the point of Midnight Commander. It is here NOT to make it possible for some clueless newb to get around learning of the CLI. It is here for those of us who use CLI all the time to speed things up immensely. I can move/copy/make quick changes to files/etc orders of magnitude faster with MC then by using raw CLI even with fancy auto-complete functionality. And then there is the Meta-Enter combo which pastes the currently selected file into your commands. MC is a great improvement in productivity for me, to the point that I get the feeling of things slowing down to a crawl when MC is not available on whatever system I am working on.

Who needs MC ... (2, Interesting)

psergiu (67614) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613481)

... when GNUIT [gnu.org] (previously GIT) is out there ?

Smaller, faster, compiles fine on all platforms with any C compiler and it only requires curses.
And most impportantly it doesn't crashes and it doesn't corrupsts files like MC does.

Re:Who needs MC ... (0)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613757)

I wonder what the need for something like this is at all, when its still quicker and more accurate to do directly on the command line all the functionality these tools implement.

IANACLH (2, Informative)

DrugCheese (266151) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613515)

I am not a command line hacker - mc has always been a VERY important tool I install in just about every box I've ever set up.

Glad to see it's not forgotten about

Re:IANACLH (0, Flamebait)

1s44c (552956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613637)

I am not a command line hacker - mc has always been a VERY important tool I install in just about every box I've ever set up.

ls directory
mv source dest
cp source dest
rm file
rmdir dir

If you can't master that then how on earth do you have the knowledge to set up any kind of box?

Re:IANACLH (1)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613747)

Okay, now transfer this six-level-deep application directory tree to the new server using only the command-line ftp client found on a vanilla Solaris 8 server. :-) And no, the software isn't available in package form, the current config data on the host server is required.

Oh, and you have to have it up and running in 15 minutes because we have a customer that want to test it TODAY.

I'm gonna use mc, thank you!

Sometimes prefab building sections possess more utility than a pile of building blocks even though the pile is perhaps more "pure" in its approach to the problem. Welcome to the real world. :-)

Re:IANACLH (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613865)

"Okay, now transfer this six-level-deep application directory tree to the new server using only the command-line ftp client found on a vanilla Solaris 8 server. :-) "

Umm... have you never heard of tar?

If the answer is "no", then, no offense, but you have *no business* administrating Solaris (or any Unix, for that matter).

Re:IANACLH (1)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26614013)

Heh. Yes, that's a good solution at times, but tar is useless when you don't have enough scratch space left to make that 20GB directory tree into a tarball in the first place. :-)

Not a bad solution for many problems, however. Just not large ones.

Re:IANACLH (4, Insightful)

1s44c (552956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613923)

Okay, now transfer this six-level-deep application directory tree to the new server using only the command-line ftp client found on a vanilla Solaris 8 server.

There are many ways to do that.

Easy: tar, ftp, tar
No disk space: NFS mount, find source | cpio -pmudv /dest
Crazy: dd over netcat
Encrypted for the internet: ( cd /source ; tar -cf - * ) | ssh dest 'cd dir ; tar -xf -'

MC isn't the only way to copy files, it isn't even a good way to copy files.

Updating the Windows Port would be nice (1)

WimBo (124634) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613567)

Just having the windows compilable option in the source code would be really nice. Being able to produce a 64 bit windows command line executable would be sweet.

Re:Updating the Windows Port would be nice (2, Insightful)

rduke15 (721841) | more than 5 years ago | (#26614085)

While MC is by far the best file manager on Linux (and a very handy text editor too), you don't really need it in Windows.

Total Commander [ghisler.com] is much better in that environment. And while it is not Free, you can still use it for free if you accept an additional click when starting it. I have bought 3 licenses for my home machines, but use it constantly on all my client's machines in it's non-paid incarnation. The little nag screen really doesn't bother me.

The OS which is most lacking in this regard is actually Mac. A good Total Commander clone is the only thing I'm really missing when working on Macs. (yes, I know about (and use) muCommander).

MC over SSH (1)

muckracer (1204794) | more than 5 years ago | (#26613719)

First things first: I love MC and thanx for keeping it going.

Question though: anyone know why sometimes the windows and frames of MC don't display right via SSH (instead of lines you get funky characters and even files you highlight flip in space). On other servers it works just as nicely as it does locally. Any ideas what the cause of this weirdness is and how to fix it?

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