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Family Dog Cloned, Thanks To Dolly Patents

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the better-would-be-to-clone-mougli-and-emily dept.

Biotech 261

patentpundit writes "BioArts International announced today that they have delivered the world's first commercially cloned dog, a 10-week old Labrador named Lancey, to Florida residents Edgar and Nina Otto. According to the press release issued by the company, 'BioArts International is a biotech company focused on unique, untapped markets in the global companion animal, stem cell and human genomics industries. The Best Friends Again program is a collaboration between BioArts and the Sooam Biotech Research Foundation in South Korea, home to the best and most experienced dog cloning team in the world.' The technology that makes this animal cloning possible stems from the cloning patents developed at the Roslin Institute for the cloning of the now famous, or infamous depending on your view, Dolly the sheep."

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261 comments

Why? (4, Insightful)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644041)

A race horse or some prized show animal I could maybe understand. But what's the point of cloning a companion animal?

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Monkey (795756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644097)

Because that was the best tasting dog ever and I want seconds.

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644409)

Because that was the best tasting dog ever and I want seconds.

Watch out, this guy can probably kick your ass at Starcraft, too.

Re:Why? (4, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644731)

When I was in Korea there was an English punk fanzine that run a phrasebook every now and again. One of the entries was "Dog eating savages!", clearly a handy phrase to know in Korean.

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644719)

You want to have a good laugh? Walk into a shelter and ask for 55 lbs of cat.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26645411)

Yeah, because animal cruelty is hilarious!

PS: Fuck you.

Re:Why? (1)

trailerparkcassanova (469342) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645441)

Or ask them if they have any feeder kittens.

Re:Why? (4, Interesting)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644777)

I realize you're being funny, but in the true geek spirit, and being someone who loves to cook and has considered changing careers and becoming a chef, I can not resist the urge to get serious and rip this hypothesis apart.

There are actually a lot of factors, outside of the breed, that influence the taste of meat. The feed being the most important. So we'll assume that you feed it the exact same diet (and that the manufacturer of said feed does not alter it's ingredients). Then hope that the dog never gets sick and requires medication. But then, maybe your original dog got sick and needed medication and that contributed somewhat to it's flavour. Environmental conditions also play a vital role. Did the dog get lots of exercise ? Muscle strength contributes immensely to the texture, tenderness and flavour of the meat. Was the dog ever abused (maybe a previous owner) ? Stress releases all kinds of hormones and chemicals in the body that can affect flavour. Leave the dog alone for a day, get him all worked up and upset, and come back to have a completely different tasting animal.

Farmers who compete on quality and taste (as oppose to cost) have come up with all kinds of theories and practices (some proven, some superstitions, some plausible but untested) that they claim gives their meat a superior taste and texture. For example, some cow farmers actually massage their meat with electric massagers, claiming it produces more tender beef.

Ultimately I must side with the GP. Cloned Animal != Same Animal.

Re:Why? (1)

viper34j (1401493) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645081)

Leave the dog alone for a day, get him all worked up and upset, and come back to a completely different tasting animal.

This sentence tickles me in so many different ways...

Re:Why? (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645109)

Are you telling me that some meat producers abuse their animals to impact the flavor?

"Jeb, I think beating that sheep then neglecting it for 3 days really added to the smoky flavor. Do you think we should try shooting it and letting it bleed to death first?"

Re:Why? (4, Interesting)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645319)

Actually, yes :(

I would never buy meat from a farmer that does that, but in some parts of the world they do truly sick things to the animals (like skinning them alive) because they think it makes the meat taste better.

One extremely popular food that could count as an example is Foie Gras [wikipedia.org] . It's duck liver (though you can get Foie Gras from other animals but unless you specify what animal then duck is usually assumed) that has been artificially enlarged via force feeding the animal. Whether or not gorging is actually uncomfortable for the animal is debatable (I have heard plausible arguments from people claiming that fowl will actually self-gorge before migration, and anecdotes from farmers who claimed the animals actually LIKE it), but it has been banned in some parts of the world because the gorging is seen as animal abuse.

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644101)

"A race horse or some prized show animal I could maybe understand. But what's the point of cloning a companion animal?"

If you have to ask, then you couldn't possibly understand.

I dunno about cat people, but, as a 'dog person'...I can tell you that my animals really have become a part of the family. They aren't treated like 'dogs' or animals, they are really more just little fuzzy people that don't talk much in our homes.

When I lose my pups....I grieve over them like I would a friend or family member that is close to me.

In fact...I've often though, if you don't feel this way about your pets....why own one?

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644179)

I understand loving your pets. I love my dog and, when he goes, it will be exceeding painful. If I could have him return as a puppy when he dies it would be great.

But genetically identical != same dog. The fact that I don't need a clone doesn't mean I don't love my dog, just that I accept that he'll die one day and that nothing (not even cloning) will bring him back. Well... Maybe burying him in that old Indian burial ground a short hike from my back yard... But that just seems like I'd be asking for trouble.

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

alexborges (313924) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644463)

Yes yes, this is precisely the point.

A dog is a guy, one loves them. True. But they are an experience that changes your life.

What you want to do if you loose a great companion dog is grieve... and then, when youre ready, go and have a new adventure with a new dog! Why the exact same genome?

The genome means nothing to human emotions. Nothing at all. We can adopt and love our children as our own. We can love people that are not in our family and will never be.

The genome is only a code that generaly states how the hell the thingie will look, what diseases it inherits, what inheritable strenghts can it inherit. But its not, at all, the same individual (it really CANT be the same individual, you see? Not in this universe. To quote Dr. House "ive complained, but there you have it").

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

fyoder (857358) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644747)

The genome is only a code that generaly states how the hell the thingie will look, what diseases it inherits, what inheritable strenghts can it inherit.

But there are also elements of personality which are genetic. No, a clone won't be the same dog, but it will be effectively its identical twin and more like the old dog than any new dog could be.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644823)

To further this thought, some people might not actually want the SAME dog, but a dog with the same temperment and behavioural tendencies.

But then, I'm not a pet person at all. So I might not "get it". I do know that I would want a dog that can be easily trained not to bark or crap in my house, though.

So if you had one that was a breeze to train why not get it's genetic identical ?

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

deathlyslow (514135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645161)

Assuming the animal was a registered breed, you could contact the breeder and see if they have another litter from the same or relatives to the sire and dam. It would be close just like a clone would be.

Re:Why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26645327)

So if you had one that was a breeze to train why not get it's genetic identical ?

That's fine so long as you don't delude yourself into thinking it will be exactly the same as the original. However, I forsee a very strong potential for taking advantage of grieving pet owners by suggesting otherwise. It doesn't mean the technology shouldn't exist, but perhaps articles like this should focus more on what can't ever be done.

For anyone who does want a dog with known personality traits, try looking in a humane shelter first. Most reputable shelters have staff with experience on a wide range of dog and cat personalities, it can be useful to talk with them about your prefrences. The shelter may even have the kind of pet you want, if they do adoption will be far cheaper and probably just as effective.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

ljw1004 (764174) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645445)

The genome means a heck of a lot to human emotions.

Think of the many stories of twins who were separated at birth, raised in ignorance of each other, then are re-united and discover a deeper bond with each other than with anyone else. It doesn't always happen, but it happens often enough to show that there's something going on.

The perception of the genome means a lot to animal emotions.

Think of the finch studies (they're what I've read about in Dawkins' "Extended Phenotype") where a parent bird cares for its offspring in direct proportion to what percentage of the genome the parent thinks this offspring shares.

Think of pretty much the entirety of human history and its obsession with bloodlines, and male sons, and fidelity. Genome needn't matter, but it's a historical fact that it does.

It's true what you wrote that "We *can* love people not in our family". But at the same time the genome has an enormous effect on emotions.

Re:Why? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644653)

Maybe burying him in that old Indian burial ground a short hike from my back yard... But that just seems like I'd be asking for trouble.

Don't do it. Those Indians couldn't even SPELL sematary!

Re:Why? (3, Interesting)

yancey (136972) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644687)

Think of it as very expensive therapy. Having something that looks similar, but does not have the same personality should gradually allow the owner to let go.

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644969)

Nonsense. The dog spirit transfers from one body to the next just like any other. I should know, in my last life I was a malamute. At least, that's my excuse when I play with my balls.

Re:Why? (1)

donnyspi (701349) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644193)

Seems to me it cheapens their value if you can just replace them. I have a dog whom I adore, but I would never clone him so I could replace him when he goes. Gah, it's a creepy thought actually. His memory will live forever in my heart when he goes. That said, if other people want to do it, then good for them.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26645479)

Does the fact you're going to live another 30x365=11000 days cheapen your day today??? What does that even mean???

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

stokessd (89903) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644227)

The old and tired bumper sticker sums it up nicely:

"The more people I meet, the more I like my dog"

My dogs and cat are members of the family. I'd throw my neighbor's sprogs under a train to save my dog.

But with so many animals in shelters, it seems a bit odd to clone one (other than to say you can). Go give a new one a good home.

Sheldon

Re:Why? (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645397)

The fact that you'd say that you'd kill people to save an animal is... disturbing.

An animal is a hell of a companion, and I've loved the dogs and cats that I've had, but they're animals. Period, end of story. If you get more out of your relationships with your animals than with people, perhaps the problem is not with other people, but with you?

Re:Why? (1)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645403)

At first I thought you were a sick bastard, but I looked up the meaning of the word "Sprog" and found out it means children.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26644239)

But what is the advantage of getting a clone of your Labradoodle, v.s. getting a new Labradoodle pup? The clone isn't the original, it is an entirely different animal that has the same DNA. So getting another dog of the same breed will have pretty much the same DNA also. And many traits aren't determined by DNA, such as location of certain spots -- it can be as random as fingerprints.

Re:Why? (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644349)

If you have to ask, then you couldn't possibly understand.

If your cat mittens died, its dead, you grieve, and you get a new pet. You don't go around trying to reanimate your dead cat do you? \

When I lose my pups....I grieve over them like I would a friend or family member that is close to me.

er... so if your wife died, you'd clone her too? I happen to know for a fact that mine thinks that's creepy on multiple levels.

Re:Why? (0, Troll)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644497)

er... so if your wife died, you'd clone her too?

Depends. Are there certain parts of her anatomy that I can ... 'enhance' ?

Re:Why? (2, Funny)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644417)

Grandma is part of the family too . . .

-Peter

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644447)

I think trying to xerox the dog kinda misses the point. You're going to spend the entire dogs life wondering why he's not exactly like his progenitor.

Get a new dog, and you can keep your good memories of the previous dog untainted.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26645137)

i love my dog and know his personality inside out. It would be kinda fun seeing the difference to me because of my environment now then when I raised my current dog. I dont think i would be looking for the EXACT dog but it would be fun to watch and see how alike/different they were and what role the genes really do play.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644511)

I can tell you that my animals really have become a part of the family.

If your sister died, would you have her cloned? What about your son or daughter?

I love my dogs very much. I would think it an insult to them to think that cloning would "bring them back" any more than it would bring back a human family member.

Re:Why? (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644567)

If I lost my kid, I wouldn't want a clone of that kid. That would be sick, as the clone wouldn't be the same person as the kid I lost. You can't replace a kid, cloning notwithstanding.

Same goes for pets. If your pet dies, it is gone. To think cloning brings that pet back is a lie.

Re:Why? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644919)

I feel the same way about my identical twins. I've already told them "Boys, if one of you dies, I'm killing the other one too." It would just be too creepy to keep the other one around.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26645199)

Shouldn't be a problem. We all know that what happens to one twin happens to both. If one dies, well...problem solved.

Re:Why? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644943)

Except a cloned dog will not be the same as the original.

If it was an identical clone physically, mentally, and behaviorally then I could see, but this is just another dog that happens to look like another dog.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

IainMH (176964) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645013)

I totally hear that. I would be devastated if something happened to my cats.

I confess that I'm now a cat person. I wasn't 18 months ago. I liked cats more after living with my friend's ginger tom for a while, but still wasn't a cat lover per se.

Then last year I got two Maine Coons. Anyone who has a Maine Coon will understand when I say 'nuff said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Coon [wikipedia.org]

Best. Cats. Ever.

Re:Why? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645351)

So does this mean you'll also be advocating cloning your wife just before she croaks from cancer, or your kid after she gets hit by a bus? Even though the result will only LOOK like your dead wife or kid, and not actually BE them? How shallow are you?

Re:Why? (1)

malkir (1031750) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644267)

A race horse or some prized show animal I could maybe understand. But what's the point of cloning a companion animal?

There are more people that own and are compassionate towards their dog they've had for 10 years...lives in your home, maybe even sleeps at the foot of your bed.

ex. The dog I've had all through childhood is nearing her last year and a half or so, shes almost deaf and her vision is going - still happy ever. Now, if I wanted to you know...clone my beloved dog, it's just a fiscal barrier away.

They are tapping into a market with guaranteed buyers, much larger I would think then horses which are larger and probably more difficult to breed properly. A slow dog isn't really considered a waste of money.

Re:Why? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644277)

Because until it was fossilized, it was your best and only friend and always sat there outside of the pizza shop waiting for your return?

Re:Why? (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644797)

For that you need fast fossilization... and the very power of nature itself.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644389)

I see you've never had a beloved dog or cat. I feel sorry for you.

My cat (actually my daughter's cat) got me through a divorce, a home foreclosure, and a bankrupcy. A dog or a cat will give love without demanding anything from you except food, water, and a place to take a shit.

A dog won't nag, a cat won't scold. They're always there for you. Their love is unconditional. I'd clone Little One in a heartbeat if I had the money.

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644505)

Not at all the case. I love my dog dearly (the cats are OK too I guess...) But that's really part of the problem I see with this.

I accept that you love your pets and accept them as members of your family. That's great and I understand completely - I'm in the same boat. But, if another member of your family died, would you also clone them? Cloning a beloved pet only strikes me as slightly less creepy than cloning a beloved child that died too early...

Like I said in a post above, genetically identical != same animal. We (typically) outlive our pets. That's just the way it is. Forming an emotional bond to an animal just because it shares genes with an animal that you loved just seems unhealthy.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

Feanturi (99866) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644645)

Except that you've missed the point that "Little One 2" would not resemble the one you already know, personality-wise. Did you know that with a cat clone, the fur colour wouldn't even necessarily be the same? Get a new one and grow some love for that one as well, you'll be emotionally richer for it. With a clone you'd be forcing expectations on an innocent animal that only wants to love you unconditionally, while you're still looking to find "Little One" in them. That's just wrong.

Ummm (3, Funny)

FirstNoel (113932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644887)

I have a cat that nags and had a dog that scolded. Pets can give you just as much shit (literally and figuratively) as any other member of the family. But they keep coming back... Now they can keep coming back forever. Sean D.

Re:Why? (1)

knghtrider (685985) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644757)

A race horse or some prized show animal I could maybe understand. But what's the point of cloning a companion animal?

Wouldn't that be cheating? After all, with a prize show animal, you're looking for the best BRED animal; and with a race horse, it's a matter of genetics as well. To clone a prize animal seems to cheapen the sport. Granted, show animals and race horses have 'off days'; but still, it weighs the odds to heavily.

Re:Why? (0, Flamebait)

Reikk (534266) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645413)

People get their pets cloned for the same reasons that open source software developers spend all their time cloning microsoft software. Because they are sad, lonely and pathetic human beings.

I would... (1, Interesting)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644055)

If I had the cash...I'd do it for my dog. She's starting to get a bit older now, and I would definitely like to have another one of "her" when she goes...

Alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26644461)

Here's a story about a somewhat different method of dog cloneing (Seattle PI):

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/397774_dogporn29.html

Re:I would... (1)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645141)

If I had the cash...I'd do it for my dog. She's starting to get a bit older now, and I would definitely like to have another one of "her" when she goes...

Sorry, won't happen. Clones are not copies of each other any more than identical twins are the same people. Cloning a dog or cat will not give you a replica of the cloned animal because in addition to genetics the traits of an animal are very dependent on environment and even pure chance. As a rather extreme example there's not always correlation between the gender identity of mono zygotic twins. That is, it is perfectly possible, and has happened, for one twin to feel transsexual and desire a sex-change, while his or her sibling does not. It is only in movies that clones are identical copies. In reality there's a lot more to "who we are" than our genetic makeup.

Arnold Schwarzenegger's First Post (1)

CompMD (522020) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644063)

I'm looking for a golden retriever for my son, you can make one for me here at RePet, right?

Re:Arnold Schwarzenegger's First Post (1)

ccool (628215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645281)

And I am looking for a pet Arnold, can anyone clone him?

I think Hollywood would want a few of him too.

Re:Arnold Schwarzenegger's First Post (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645399)

I'm looking for a golden retriever for my son, you can make one for me here at RePet, right? GET ON ZE CHOPPA!

Fixed that for ya.

Would that be... (4, Funny)

rodney dill (631059) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644075)

K-10 then?

Re:Would that be... (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644419)

K-9++

Re:Would that be... (3, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644689)

ADD 1 TO K GIVING K

Re:Would that be... (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644433)

I think it would just be a minor version change. So K-9.1

Cost is a factor (1)

hardburlyboogerman (161244) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644089)

Of course I would like to get Sugar Byte back if something were to happen to her,but I could not afford a huge fee for doing so.

I'm barely able to keep myself alive as it is.

Amazing! (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644099)

Out of all of them, "Family Dog" was my favorite "Amazing Stories" spin-off show that was animated and had theme music by Danny Elfman.

RePet? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26644107)

The first thing I thought was 6th day...

The second thing I thought was "good, can we just clone cow flesh now instead of raising cows?"

Re:RePet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26644209)

Suffering tastes good.

Re:RePet? (1)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644713)

The second thing I thought was "good, can we just clone cow flesh now instead of raising cows?"

First a minor nitpick, what you're describing isn't cloning, but more accurately described as vat growing. Cloning implies you'd reproduce the entire animal which defeats the purpose as you'd still need to raise the cloned animal. On the topic of vat grown meat, it's currently not economically viable (or maybe even technically possible, I don't know, haven't really researched it) as you would need an entire support system to provide nutrients to the cells and carry away wastes while it's growing. Not to mention you'd also need to develop some sort of re-usable support structure to grow the meat on, and possibly an exercise system to ensure the muscle develops properly. Plus you would need a system to process and distribute nutrients for the muscle tissue.

In other words, you'd spend a lot of money and effort re-producing all the things naturally provided by the rest of the cow.

Exactly the same as the original, except... (1)

Fartypants (120104) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644113)

evil?

Re:Exactly the same as the original, except... (2, Funny)

LMacG (118321) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644467)

> evil?

Only if it has a goatee.

Re:Exactly the same as the original, except... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26645179)

I think you mean dogee.

Uh oh (1)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644127)

The cloning didn't involve any ancient burial grounds beyond a deadfall from a pet sematary did it? If so, they might want to watch their backs.

What I'd name the dog, no matter the sex. (1)

Typingsux (65623) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644133)

Dolly the dog.

Re:What I'd name the dog, no matter the sex. (1)

Spice Consumer (1367497) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644401)

Dolly the dog.

Not so far from the singer.

Herman was before Dolly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26644177)

Herman the Bull was created 6 years before Dolly the sheep.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_(stier)

This American Life (2, Informative)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644187)

This American Life had a great piece on a cloned show bull a while ago. You can listen to the episode here [thisamericanlife.org] (click on the orange 'Full Episode' link -- it's the second segment, so you'll need to skip ahead), or you can watch/rent/torrent/buy Episode 1 of the Showtime version of the show. Interesting stuff....

Its not the same pet, folks... (5, Insightful)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644203)

It may look the same, but its not the same.

Heck, the pet may not even look the same, depending on if some of the factors in coloration are environmentally induced.

More importantly, behavior is very much a factor of the pet's environment. It certainly isn't going to know who you are without the same amount of work you'd have to put into a puppy or another dog.

I'm not totally against cloning technologies, but I wish people would invest in shelter dogs instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars to add another animal to the existing population. Your old pet had a good life with you, why don't you share that with a pet who never had the same chance?

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (1)

SL1200MKII (1263800) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644711)

I completely agree with you. Millions of animals are put to sleep each year in shelters. Many of these animals come from irresponsibly breeders that do not see the value of life, but rather only care about making a quick buck. They could care less about what happens to the animals once they are sold.

When cloning becomes commercially viable on a larger scale, what is to stop unethical companies from producing more than just 1 clone? After all, it is more "efficient" to have the surrogate produce a litter of 6 pups. This brings the puppy mill industry to a whole new level.

FYI, the company is charging $180,000 to have a dog cloned. http://bestfriendsagain.com/order/index.html [bestfriendsagain.com]

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (5, Insightful)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644789)

You could use the same logic for many other things :
  • Why go to a fancy restaurant when so many people are hungry ?
  • Why have a baby when you could adopt ?
  • Why drive a SUV instead of compact when 90% of the time you are in it by yourself ?
  • Why alienate your family working long hours, when you already have millions in the bank ?
  • Why spend $10 000 on shoes, when some people go barefoot their entire lives ?

And in the end, the only real answer is : "Because it makes me happy"

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (5, Insightful)

kungfugleek (1314949) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645067)

And in the end, the only real answer is : "Because it makes me happy"

But you also need the follow-on supporting thought: "And my happiness is more important than everybody else's."

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (2, Insightful)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645257)

No one's happiness but my own is in my power to achieve or to destroy.

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (3, Insightful)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645193)

1) By nature, cloning a dog creates a new dog and eliminates the opportunity another dog could have. Eating at a restaurant, on the other, only deprives the establishment of food, food which the hungry masses wouldn't get in time anyway.

2) It's a biological thing to want to have a baby of your own (however, I really think more people on should be adopting)

3) Again, doesn't deprive anyone of anything material - only of clean air.

4) Because to some people, those extra 0s on the bank statement are primary, the kids and wife secondary.

5) Still doesn't deprive anyone of anything.

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (1)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645353)

5) Still doesn't deprive anyone of anything.

I don't necessarily agree. If I go out and spend extra money in a month (say, on a vacation for example), I may not donate the same amount of money to charity/church/what-have-you. Of course, that does assume you donate money in the first place.

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26645391)

Or because YOU THINK it will make you happy... but it won't.

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644923)

In some ways an environment of "you're not like " said in a turse way would influence behaviour massively. The dog (or cat) would end up very very different. I would even go so far as to suggest temprement and personality would almost be polar opposites (giving encouragement & positive attention vs giving repremands & negative attention).

Cloning has it's uses... this is not one of them.

Re:Its not the same pet, folks... (1)

MeBadMagic (619592) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644985)

Simple really. I was going to post a reply to the OP, and saw yours. It would seem better as an answer here than a statement there.

Call me a kook, however, my loved dog has Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome....

She has done remarkably well in her 7 years. She is a wonderful dog. If I could have her DNA again, I would like to see how different she ~could~ be. Not better, different. I'd be curious to see if her dental problem shows up again. See how different our training could be without the damage control.

That would be my motivation anyway. Curiosity, and the chance to protect her more.

B-)

Betting Pool on children now opening... (2, Interesting)

jeko (179919) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644217)

Now accepting bets for how long it takes before the first replacement child is cloned. If they can do a dog, they can do a kid, and the article reads just fine if you replace "our dog" with "our child."

I'm glad I lived long enough to see Dick Tracy's "wrist radios" and William Gibson's "matrix" become reality. I'm sorry I lived long enough to see this.

You too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26644751)

So you took the red pill, eh?

Er...wait....William who?

Re:Betting Pool on children now opening... (1)

discord5 (798235) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645377)

Now accepting bets for how long it takes before the first replacement child is cloned.

I can just see the slogan for the advertising already: Who needs Lassy ? When Timmy falls down the well, we'll clone him for $99.999,95.

Warning: Replacement Timmy may not be exactly like original Timmy. Do not feed replacement Timmy after midnight. Education not included.

Same genes, different dog (1)

mschuyler (197441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644341)

Even if you did clone Fido(1), he wouldn't be the same dog any more than identical twins are the same person. Chances are, if he were parti-colored, he wouldn't even have the same spots. He also wouldn't have the same experiences as Fido(1). You are older and the unique experiences that made Fido(1) what he was are gone forever. In short, Fido(2), though he may look more or less like Fido(1), is not Fido(1) and never will be. If you simply must have a pure bred, go to the same breeder and get Fido(X) in the same genetic line as Fido(1) for a few hundred dollars instead of tens of thousands. It's a pretty expensive way to fool yourself.

They probably just scammed them (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644411)

"Jim, find a puppy that looks like this one in the picture and we'll split $155,000."

Re:They probably just scammed them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26644425)

And if you can't find an exact match, just find one close enough and pick up a can of spray paint.

Extras (1)

conejito_andarin (987530) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644473)

From the headline I read, I thought they were producing a line of cloned dogs for sale. If Lancey (TM) is such a great dog, why shouldn't everyone have a chance to own one? Even a few extra copies would sell out fast. On the "beloved" point, I can't see loving animals like people. People grow and change and love you in unexpected ways. I love my cats and dogs, but they aren't my family. They don't drive me crazy enough!

Re:Extras (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644615)

On the "beloved" point, I can't see loving animals like people.

Strange as it is, people tend to treat their pets better than their family. Dog does something "bad" and it is cute or somehow bad but usually the dog is treated sternly and nicely. Kid does something "bad" and gets yelled at.

Re:Extras (1)

Real1tyCzech (997498) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645443)

The dog won't go to jail or cost the family fortune if he doesn't and gets caught by someone else...

I wonder.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26644487)

..how many Fidos they tried this out on before they could tell the kids that Fido made it through the pancreas surgery.

It's a trip back to the family farm... (1)

clawsonb (1194461) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644571)

Man, I'm glad I made this treasure map to where my best dog ever was buried. Now I just wonder if the current residents will mind me digging up the yard...

Um, yea (1)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644805)

Just don't make a copy of the copy

So the patents cloned a dog? (4, Funny)

Gerzel (240421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644875)

Wow I didn't know IP laws could get up and work in a lab much less do genetic/biologic engineering.

Odie (1)

messner_007 (1042060) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644899)

Maybe they could clone Odie, so Garfield would have two or three of them ...

I don't think so (1)

willoughby (1367773) | more than 5 years ago | (#26644929)

I think most dog owners feel the same way i do. I wouldn't take a million dollars for my dog, but I also wouldn't give you twenty-five cents for another just like her.

And a clone? No, thanks.

I just can't support this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26645181)

Let me start by saying that I am an animal lover. I do enjoy dogs and cats, having had both. (well, maybe not so much the shedding of fur) I can understand caring very much for that pet and the unconditional love they give you back. But...

Any animal you clone won't be like the original. It won't even necessarily look like the original. They've found that out with cats already. It's not like you're making a photocopy of the animal. Genetically it may be the same, but physically and mentally it's a different creature. And what if something happens to this cloned pet? Do you go have it done again and get a second clone? I'd feel like I was cheapening the original by trying to make a perfect copy.

Besides, that $150,000+ could make a world of difference to the animals in the local shelter. Or any homeless shelter or charity of your choice would love that money as well!

Didn't Dolly die of Cancer? (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 5 years ago | (#26645289)

Didn't Dolly die of Cancer? Have they solved that problem?

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