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Microsoft Surface To Coordinate SuperBowl Security

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the blue-surface-of-death dept.

Security 218

suraj.sun writes to tell us that in preparation for nearly a quarter of a million people descending on Tampa for the Super Bowl, the Tampa authorities are deploying new tech for security communications and response. All of the incidents and communications will be plotted and tracked on a new implementation of Microsoft's Surface. Hopefully it wont have to reboot after every new incident report. "The Microsoft Surface device will display a Microsoft Virtual Earth map of the entire region tracking events, incidents, resources and tasks in real-time using its unique large display, multi-user, multi-touch and interactive capabilities, also allowing it to communicate with remote devices and PCs. With a quick hand-gesture, the map can zoom in and display a 3D image of the city, including detailed views of buildings and streets and real time resource tracking."

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Oh no (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26669951)

inb4 lame blue screen of death jokes

Re:Oh no (4, Funny)

azav (469988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670025)

Failure in security.dll. Abort, retry or ignore?

Re:Oh no (2, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670077)

Then it's settled, I'm going to be streaking in the game wearing nothing but this [photobucket.com] ...

inb4 lame blue screen of death jokes

Aw, dude, why'd you have to go stealing my one-trick-pony thunder like that? It's all I've got ...

Re:Oh no (5, Funny)

MoellerPlesset2 (1419023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670129)

A problem has been detected and the Super Bowl has been shut down to protect your audience.

The problem seems to be caused by the following module: WARDROBE.DLL
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NIPPLE_AREA

If this is the first time you have seen this error screen, restart the show.
If this screen appears again, follow these instructions:

Check to make sure this is not a dress rehearsal. If so, give the producers hell and consider firing the artists.

If problems continue, you may be fined by the FCC.

Technical information:
*** STOP: 0x0000B00B

Re:Oh no (2, Insightful)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670281)

Nice!

I was going to make some lame comment about how Tampa is finally getting tech like Miami (CSI TV show) and rant about the costs/effectiveness in a non-obvious way. It takes real imagination to come up with a stop error ****0x0000B00B

My hats off to you.

Re:Oh no (1)

omkhar (167195) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670869)

You mean you were going to use a Visual Basic GUI interface to track down the offending people

Re:Oh no (4, Insightful)

ElectricRook (264648) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671457)

What it means is that the head of security for SB gets a really cool visual toy that serves absolutely no purpose other than to strike said official's ego.

Of course there is the upside that someone gets to sell a toy to a private company...

Which I highly approve of...

Even if it is MS that gets the sale, just that someone got to sell a toy for hyper-inflated prices.

Re:Oh no (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671219)

That was funny enough that I'm going to stop reading right now, because the thread can't improve. I've certainly done MY part to ensure that.

Re:Oh no... Well, since they sided somewhat with (0, Flamebait)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670199)

hollywood, it will be a GREEN SCREEN of DEATH...

But, will it be matte or finish?

It'll bring new meanings to CG-eye, CGI and CGI..

(yeh, lame...)

Re:Oh no (0, Flamebait)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670635)

> using its unique large display, multi-user, multi-touch and interactive capabilitie

And just to keep things straight, let's recall that this big-ass-table [youtube.com] has NO 'touch' capability. It uses several cameras below the glass to detect motion. Touching the glass has no effect on any operation of the system. It is an indication of the type of marketing lie MS seems so willing to foist on the public and media.

MS has tried for years to find an application for this white elephant, but with nothing new to market, and the iPhone's true touch interface leading the pack, they keep rolling it out in an effort to get someone to pay the $10,000.00 price tag.

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26671009)

Same effect; different method. So what?

Also, $10K is peanuts for a corporation. There are more expensive bottles of whisky.

Re:Oh no (2, Insightful)

minsk (805035) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671055)

Uhm, no. Saying it detects "motion" is even less accurate than "touch". Proximity within a few inches is good enough for many demos, and a few limited applications... like the over-hyped kiosk advertising they are actually pursuing at the moment.

Large touch interfaces are a completely different beast than Apple's. Microsoft is a long way from a useful peripheral, but comparing it with an iPhone is laughable.

Re:Oh no (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671319)

My God, you know the Apply fanboys are out in force when they've resorted to ripping on a TABLE by comparing it to a handheld device. They have completely different target users, not to mention completely different uses. Are you somehow proposing that the security team should have used an Iphone instead of the Surface to coordinate their efforts? I'm not saying the Surface is the best choice, but even bringing up the Iphone is a joke.

Also, a quick check of Wikipedia shows that the Surface hasn't even been on the market for a year, and was announced less than two years ago, and somehow it's already a white elephant? The device has pretty specific uses, it's not being marketed as far as I know for home use.

Re:Oh no (0, Troll)

The Spoonman (634311) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670709)

Agreed. It's 2009. The last time I remember getting a BSOD was on NT4.0. An electrician had shorted out a power line with a network cable and it fried the machine. These stability jokes really only attest to the author's cluelessness.

Re:Oh no (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670751)

I used to get them with win2k on occasion. After the move to XP, we only had a couple of bsods, and those were very early on, both caused by driver issues.

Re:Oh no (1)

samriel (1456543) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670811)

It's been my experience that, both in XP and in Leopard, in order to get a BSOD or Kernel Panic, you have to either be A) trying [ie running weird code/shady code you got from some site in Korea] to mess up your system or B) pushing your system too hard. YMMV, but that seems to be how it goes for most of us.

Re:Oh no (0)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670913)

Like I said, in the years that I've run XP for myself and the places I've worked, I've had 2 (maybe 3) blue screens and those were not long after release. The reason was that the drivers at the time choked, but once those were fixed, I've never had a problem with them.

It's pretty impressive actually.

Re:Oh no (1)

jonesy16 (595988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670925)

Or C) bought cheap memory.

Re:Oh no (2, Insightful)

spxero (782496) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670929)

Currently using XP SP2 on a Lenovo T61. When I set plug an extra monitor in, the machine goes to dual screen just fine. When I try to go back to one screen, BSoD with a fault in win32k.sys (or something like that). I find it hard to believe that going from two monitors down to one qualifies as trying to mess up my system or pushing it too hard.

Can't go to SP3 due to software, can't use Linux due to work.

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26671177)

I figure I've had the BSOD a zillion and a half times. If I got punched by my wife a zillion and a half times for no reason, I'd divorce her. Instead, I stopped using MS and found a more stable OS.

My same feeling with GM going under. If they hadn't used planned obsolescence and screwed me for so long, I'd care. Instead, I started buying Japanese cars. So what if they go under? I care as much for businesses that make their money off GM as I care for businesses that make their money off the Commodore 64.

Re:Oh no (0)

The Spoonman (634311) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670941)

Almost every BSOD I've ever heard of was a driver issue. But, try convincing an anti-Windows zealot of that. :)

Re:Oh no (2, Informative)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671071)

I've seen a few that were also caused by a program writing to a place in memory where it shouldn't have had access. I should know; I ran into a bug in Visual Studio 6 that caused one of my programs to wander off into system memory and crash the system it was running on while I was still in college.

It worked fine in Solaris, but using VS on Windows, it started crashing random programs, and then, eventually, the operating system. It was kind of neat. heh

If I remember correctly, it was some strange scoping problem with VS. It's been years though.

Re:Oh no (4, Insightful)

value_added (719364) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670943)

The last time I remember getting a BSOD was on NT4.0. An electrician had shorted out a power line with a network cable and it fried the machine.

Last time for me was on XP using a fairly new (at the time) Linksys ethernet card.

These stability jokes really only attest to the author's cluelessness.

Sorry, but Windows still bluescreens (often unnoticed due to the "reboot automatically" feature). If there's any cluelessness involved here, it's that your personal experiences don't correspond to those of others, or that you've not had to read through the newer KB articles written describing such problems.

Re:Oh no (4, Informative)

sribe (304414) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671347)

Ahem, the last time I saw a BSOD on XP SP3 was, drumroll please, last night ;-)

Re:Oh no (3, Insightful)

dfm3 (830843) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670985)

Indeed. I have a nagging suspicion that this whole topic was posted exclusively for the anti-Microsoft jokes.

Re:Oh no (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26671085)

You do know that Windows BSODed ON the Olympic stadium in China during opening ceremonies?

Re:Oh no (1)

causality (777677) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671303)

Agreed. It's 2009. The last time I remember getting a BSOD was on NT4.0. An electrician had shorted out a power line with a network cable and it fried the machine. These stability jokes really only attest to the author's cluelessness.

It's 2009. The last time I remember seeing a Windows machine with a remotely-exploitable security problem was on NT4.0. A hacker had smashed the window of the building, brushed away the broken glass, climbed in, and since this gave him physical access he had a very easy time owning the machine. You just can't protect a PC against an attacker with physical access, you know. Jokes to the contrary really only attest to the joker's cluelessness and ignorance about security.

Re:Oh no (2, Funny)

Fumus (1258966) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670903)

Please tag "bigasstable" :)

There was an error in security.exe (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26669955)

please reboot your computer

submit error report to Microsoft
[yes][no][whats the point]

minority report (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26669995)

minority report!

btw, there's double meaning in that. "minority report" as in the movie, and literarly the reporting of minorities doing crimes. since that's were most of the police effort seems to go. especially in the south

Microsoft and Security in the same sentence.... (-1, Troll)

8127972 (73495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670001)

... Does anybody else see that as an oxymoron?

Re:Microsoft and Security in the same sentence.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26670471)

Apparently the MS fanboi who modded you "troll" did.

Re:Microsoft and Security in the same sentence.... (0)

BadERA (107121) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670617)

Lame -- the device is being used to display contextual data in a relevant fashion. This is an excellent use of this device and its interface metaphor.

Also, FWIW, MS powers some of the world's tightest access/egress systems.

New definition of BSOD? (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670021)

Blue SURFACE of Death/Destruction?

Re:New definition of BSOD? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671075)

When I saw "surface" in the title I was thinking of the playing field.

"Blue Sod Of Defeat?

Re:New definition of BSOD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26671093)

That'd be a lot funnier weren't it for:

from the blue-surface-of-death dept.

let's reboot this joke (5, Insightful)

blitzkrieg3 (995849) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670031)

"Hopefully we won't have to reboot after every new incident report."

Can we please retire that joke? I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware) and that joke is really getting tired and unfunny.

Though I don't think MS writes very good software, I we're past the days of needing to reboot to change your IP address.

Re:let's reboot this joke (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26670105)

You must be new here.

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670209)

I agree completely, I mean I haven't had a crash or rebo

Re:let's reboot this joke (0, Troll)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670217)

Vista has detected a new incident.

Cancel or allow?

Re:let's reboot this joke (3, Funny)

Vertana (1094987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671045)

I love it! Everybody else cracking MS jokes gets modded funny or Insightful, but not you... no you're modded troll.

Re:let's reboot this joke (4, Funny)

nwf (25607) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670241)

More like, "Windows has detected a new audience member. You must reboot in order for this change to take effect."

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670333)

Just wait until it's anti virus program starts flagging audience members with the sniffles as viruses and put warning incidents out there or tries to remove them.

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

Narnie (1349029) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671023)

I think it's more like this:

Windows has detected a new [audience member].
[Audience member]s can be dangerous and cause disruption of services or unwanted problems. Accept new [Audience member]s with caution.

[Cancel] [Allow]

Re:let's reboot this joke (5, Funny)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670459)

Can we please retire that joke?

Sorry, no. It's an old one but a good one.

I we're past the days of needing to reboot to change your IP address.

But we're not past the days when you need to reboot Windows for a lot of things you can do in Linux without rebooting.

Some jokes are nearly immortal, because they're just funny. One of my favorites outdates automobiles.

A braggart is in a bar, and claims he can make a horse laugh. Everyone chortles derisively, and eventually he's bet everyone in the bar a dollar that he can do it.

So he goes outside and whispers in the horse's ear, and amazingly the horse laughs its ass off. His fellow patrons are amazed and pay up, and he exclaims that he can make a horse cry!

Of course the bet is on again, so the fellow walks out and nobody can see exactly what he does, but the horse starts bawling like a baby with dirty diapers, crying its eyes out. He comes back in and collects his money.

"So, fella, how'd you make that horse laugh?" the bartender asks.

"Easy. I told him my dick was bigger than his."

"How'd you make him cry?"

"I showed him."

Re:let's reboot this joke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26670823)

Yup that's a good one. Though I don't quite see how it's related unless you're trying to say that in the possible distant future where the average human dick is much bigger than the average horse dick, this will still be funny. Someone ask Titor.

(Anonymous because I already modded another)

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

samriel (1456543) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670853)

I we're past the days of needing to reboot to change your IP address.

When did we have to reboot to change our IP address? IDK about those without routers and/or external modems, but for us with them, we're a 15-second unplug, wait, and replug away from a new IP address. IANAE though.

Re:let's reboot this joke (1, Insightful)

jonesy16 (595988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670867)

Considering that almost every time I run YUM there's a new kernel update I'm not sure that this is entirely accurate. While I do think there are things that Windows is ridiculous for wanting me to reboot for, Linux is getting worse faster than it's getting better. When I was running Ubuntu it seemed like every update wanted to restart.

Re:let's reboot this joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26671019)

When I was running Ubuntu it seemed like every update wanted to restart.

That happens when the kernel updates a lot. Unless one of the kernel updates is an important security update, you can just, you know, IGNORE the request for a reboot.

Windows, on the other hand, REQUIRES a reboot even for things like updates to system services. The only daemon in Linux that cannot be restarted without a reboot is init (process ID 1).

And, it boggles my mind to think about it, but people are looking into modifying the Linux kernel to make it possible to swap kernels without a reboot. (I guess you could only do that when the new kernel didn't make changes to data structures in use?)

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670469)

I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware)

So, that's... I'm not sure. What's the current half-life of an unpatched, out-of-the-box XP install before some worm or other gets in? Six minutes or something, wasn't it? It definitely got bad enough at one point that it simply wasn't possible to download and install the necessary updates in time to be safe.

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670637)

What is the half life of an unpatched Red Hat from the same year that XP was released?

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671449)

Less. Seriously.

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

DanWS6 (1248650) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670529)

If you only knew. IT is constantly screwing with our wireless network. Everytime (daily) that I can't connect they tell me to reboot Windows.

Re:let's reboot this joke (0)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670653)

Though I don't think MS writes very good software, I we're past the days of needing to reboot to change your IP address.

Maybe not the IP address, but definitely the hostname. For the uninitiated, changing a hostname on XP or Vista:

  1. Open the System Properties control panel either through Start | Settings | Control Panel, or by right clicking on 'My Computer', or by hitting the Win+Break shortcut key.
  2. Click the 'Change' button.
  3. If a domain, you'll be prompted for credentials, otherwise skip to the next step
  4. Dialog box display "You must restart your computer..." Click 'Ok' and the computer reboots

Changing the hostname on Linux or almost any other *nix:


$ sudo hostname new hostname

That's it.

So I guess that means we get to keep the reboot jokes.

Re:let's reboot this joke (0)

jonesy16 (595988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670909)

Wow, you're so off base it's not even funny. Nevermind that your command on linux has no bearing on how the system announces itself to the network, doesn't affect WINS servers, etc. While it seems trivial at the outset, Windows uses the computers name for a lot more things than an internal DNS reference so the user can ping him/herself. That being said, it would seem to me that Windows could do a simple service restart as opposed to a full reboot.

Re:let's reboot this joke (0)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670955)

So what? I just installed the madwifi drivers on Ubuntu for my Acer netbook and yep! I had to reboot for it to stop using the wrong HAL for the Atheros chipset.

Given that such things rarely ever change once setup why should we care if you have to reboot or not? An IP address on both changes regularly depending on your profession so at least that is good that you don't have to reboot any platform at this point.

Re:let's reboot this joke (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670851)

"Hopefully we won't have to reboot after every new incident report."

Can we please retire that joke?

why? Video is already unavailable, what makes you think Surface command center will not die just like a video file on Microsoft server?

Still as valid as ever (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670887)

Can we please retire that joke? I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware) and that joke is really getting tired and unfunny.

Well I have used Windows off and on, recently (and unfortunatley). The joke is a good one because it's as true as ever.

I give you two anecdotes, both with a new Vista laptop.

In the first case, the system would not read a USB stick. In an effort to debug why, I simply tried to run Control Panel to look at the device list. That locked up explorer so hard the system needed, yep, a reboot.

The other case was similar, I was in a presentation and the presenter had a Vista laptop. Just as she was beginning the presentation, Windows Update kicked in with an uninterruptible update (at least there was no visual way to delay it). She had to speak free-form for about five minutes while the update finished, and then - yep, a reboot.

What Vista supporters overlook is that the well-oiled machines they interact with day to day because they know how to maintain Windows are not the systems the rest of the world sees. In the hands of real users, Vista is still the Windows we know from all the classic jokes.

Re:Still as valid as ever (1)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671289)

In the first case, the system would not read a USB stick. In an effort to debug why, I simply tried to run Control Panel to look at the device list. That locked up explorer so hard the system needed, yep, a reboot.

Hardware issue, likely.

The other case was similar, I was in a presentation and the presenter had a Vista laptop. Just as she was beginning the presentation, Windows Update kicked in with an uninterruptible update (at least there was no visual way to delay it). She had to speak free-form for about five minutes while the update finished, and then - yep, a reboot.

User couldn't be bothered to tell Windows Update to silently download, but require direct user intervention to install. Or her IT department had really stupid settings. Neither of these are Windows-specific in any way.

Re:let's reboot this joke (0)

Thaelon (250687) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670987)

Seconded. My windows box at home is often up for more than 40 days at a time with zero problems.

In fact, a program I use that (in addition to other functions) monitors uptime seems to crash due to a numerical overflow that I suspect is related to measuring uptime.

In unusual contrast, the ubuntu box I use at work frequently does inexplicable things for no apparent reason. My notification area randomly screwed itself up a few days ago, and I'm unable to restore it, one time my desktop background randomly disappeared after a reboot. Attempting to add a main menu item that launches SQL Developer is a usability nightmare (it's a seven step process to re-edit a menu item you're trying to get working). And then it quietly fails to work but leaves massively CPU intensive bash processes running quietly in the background. I wasn't even aware it was creating processes until I noticed my computer was heinously unresponsive due to CPU load.

And then seemingly at random 8-10 times a day some sort of load spike hits, my mouse stutters, and if I'm typing at the time its as if I held down the key for 3 seconds, screwing up whatever I was typing at the time. I have no idea how to track this down, nor why some rogue process is allowed to take priority over user input devices despite having reniced my mouse to -10.

I acknowledge that this is anecdotal evidence, and probably largely as a result of a decade of windows experience and relatively limited experience, but I'm a fairly advanced user and have way more problems with linux than windows.

Clippey (1, Troll)

Rotund Prickpull (818980) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670055)

It looks like you're trying to assassinate the president.

Would you like to use:

* An atom bomb hidden in a vending machine
* A sniper's rifle
* ...

BRB - somebody at the do&@G-)(9 NO CARRIER

What could possibly go wrong? (1)

2names (531755) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670099)

Talk amongst yourselves...

How does it work in event of failure? (1, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670113)

Does it interpret a system crash as an attack on central command and launch the missiles?

Seriously though, this seems as useless as that magic screen thingie they're always playing with on CNN. Sure, it looks pretty, but using brand new technology like this, with its inherent glitches, in a system that you need to be constantly up and highly responsive is not a wise thing to do.

Oh no, I can see it now... (1)

mergy (42601) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670159)

It will start out fine and about 30 minutes in the security officers will probably just go in and disable security alerts like all Windows users do after a while.

"Don't notify me and don't display the icon (not recommended)" [lifehacker.com]

A good application (4, Insightful)

CXI (46706) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670169)

I apologize for responding seriously in this MS bashing thread, but anyway this looks to be an excellent application for surface technology. Assuming that they have the manpower and peripheral interfaces to update this situation map in real time, it could be amazing. Even just for managing traffic flow and where to stage people. In fact, if I were a part of it I'd want there to be multiple units, each dedicated and customized for different purposes: fire/rescue; traffic; police; public works; transit; etc.

Re:A good application (1)

AnthropomorphicRobot (1460839) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670377)

I had exactly the same thought. I previously worked in a research group on a similar, multi-user multi-touch table, and it often felt like it was a cool technology in search of real use cases. We often pitched our platform as for planning & real-time military command & control.

This has potential to be a great improvement over current technology. Let's hope they publish more information & videos afterwards to see how it really performed on the big day

Re:A good application (4, Insightful)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671385)

...it often felt like it was a cool technology in search of real use cases.

That's the general idea that came to my mind. "Oh look, Microsoft finally found a problem to go with their answer." But is it really a good fit?

CNN was showing some pictures from the Obama inauguration that day. They had some reporter standing in front of a huge touch screen doing all these gestures to pull up, enlarge, then stack photos. Then as if to really force the point, he did a "crumple in to a ball" effect one one image. I found myself thinking that this all was some kind of dog-and-pony show to highlight either CNN's vendor or their commitment to out-flashing FOX News. Nothing about it helped me get a feel for the story being reported on.

And I'm kind of wondering if that's where we'll get with this sort of situation too. Lots of flash. Some feeling of importance and being equipped. But not actually better prepared to handle the task at hand.

A better Application (1)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670547)

I'm going to have to disagree. These fancy GUIs may look like a great productivity booster, but I think everyone here can agree that dumping data into a plain text file would be more powerful, and as a result more productive. Instead of having to manually move around resources with your whole arm, you could grep out the data you need and pipe it to the necessary areas. Directing traffic would be as simple as starting your editor of choice such as Vi or Emacs and yGP."1pu.u.u.u.-ing your way into management heaven.

Re:A good application (1)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670585)

That's what I was thinking, it's the first real world application for Surface, although I wouldn't trust any M$ software to hold up in a mission critical application. The last thing you'd want in a riot control scenario is your planning desk to suddenly tell you it can't find foo.dll and blue screen on you.

That aside, wouldn't it be just like Microsoft to implement a new licensing model for this, like the schools. Schools (under some licensing conditions) had to buy a Windows license for every PC in the building, regardless of how many of those PC's were going to be running Windows. This could be exploited the same way, where the cost is worked out on the number of people working from that control room, with values on each rank....a per attendee fee. (Bought and paid for) Politicians get in free, assuming they continue to remember their duties of course.

On a funnier note, many areas are associated with their local sports teams and colors. Wouldn't other areas demand a screen of death in THEIR local colors? I mean, if blue is associated with your local rivals, it's like a slap in the face from them on match day if their colors suddenly wash over you in the control room. It's not good for the blood pressure when you want to be thinking calmly about rebooting and hoping the situation don't spiral out of control by the time the application comes back to life.

Re:A good application (1)

dwarg (1352059) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670827)

Exactly! The future is here... and it's a big-ass table [youtube.com] .

A whole new meaning to (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670287)

Security vulnerability... ba bum bump..

Seriously, I can't wait for the real security malfunctions with this. The jokes will be real groaners on the surface, but I'm sure each incident report-ed will be funny enough to make a penguin laugh!

"MINORITY" REPORT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26670371)

It's like minority report with maps and such.

only literary too, because there's nothing more a cop likes to do then target minorities to meet his quota.

Re:"MINORITY" REPORT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26671315)

I think you might mean "literal", not "literary".

Aliens (2, Funny)

pieisgood (841871) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670395)

Any one reminded of the Aliens monitor? Except without 80's input, we have multi-touch interaction?

What about Apple's touch screen patents? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26670401)

Surely there's a couple of them pesky 'heuristics' in Microsoft's code. Or is Apple only interested in crushing the little guys?

Re:What about Apple's touch screen patents? (1)

Glonk (103787) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670467)

Apple was far from the first company to implement multi-touch, it's just the first people think of. Multi-touch, and its patents, go back for quite a long time.

Re:What about Apple's touch screen patents? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670799)

In fairness, Apple is the first one that provided multi-touch en-masse to a large install base though.

If past performance is any indication (0, Redundant)

Zerth (26112) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670505)

I have an idea of when the next terrorist attack will happen.

Or at least if this affects event security like Windows affects network security.

Terrorists, here's your chance! (0, Troll)

Murpster (1274988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670507)

If Osama reads /. there's gonna be some dead football people.

One could only hope... (0, Redundant)

Doug52392 (1094585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670557)

... that the damn thing doesn't BSoD 5 minutes before the game starts...

Hmm. I wonder... (4, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670575)

With a quick hand-gesture, the map can zoom in and display a 3D image of the city...

...what that "quick hand-gesture" might be?

Security theater (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670643)

Now that's security theater. Elaborate "incident management" systems tend to be overkill. This sounds like something Microsoft dreamed up, not something a big-city fire chief or a SWAT team commander would ask for.

Re:Security theater (1)

nwf (25607) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671033)

Sounds like something Microsoft dreamed up because they have no real good uses for Surface and the Super Bowl gets lots of press. They are probably "donating" a ton of money and/or equipment to use Surface.

Serious Question (5, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670651)

Forgive me for interrupting with a serious question, but what benefit does Surface offer in securing the Super Bowl?

Having this expensive multi-touch table will help, how?

This sounds like some rich NFL exec wanting to show off a shiny toy for the gimmick factor, and Microsoft wanting publicity.

However, I really fail to see any practical use of Surface here.

With a quick hand-gesture? (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670667)

Am I the only one thinking 'Minority Report' here?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/ [imdb.com]

Re:With a quick hand-gesture? (2, Funny)

Random BedHead Ed (602081) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670765)

Probably not, but I was actually thinking that the best use of one of these display tables has nothing to do with the touch features: rather, it's to monitor the firing angle of an approaching Death Star as it gradually creeps around a large gas giant. I guess there's not much use for that during the Super Bowl. Still, a program that does that should come free with every Surface.

Mons Venus (1)

JoelMartinez (916445) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670719)

I bet it's mainly gonna be used to give people directions to the mons

Re:Mons Venus (1)

Jeian (409916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670891)

Who needs directions? It's literally right down the street from RayJay. :P

Not surprising. (3, Interesting)

Kaenneth (82978) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670805)

A lot of development into touch/multitouch interfaces has been funded by the US military.

Sand/toxins can get into a keyboard or mouse and be very very difficult to clean out, but a MS Surface type display/input can just be wiped with a damp cloth, sterilized, etc. if you use a low enough power CPU/GPU you could seal the processing components away from hazards as well.

I doubt the security systems will be public facing, as that would be a security risk... so this probably isn't funded as a promotion by MS, the security folks may actually like it.

Re:Not surprising. (1)

AioKits (1235070) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671271)

Plus, I imagine the military would get a huge stiffy if they had a decent working 'virtual sandtable' they could deploy in the field. Even in planning training exercises it could be immensely popular.

Stand-by Chiropractor (1)

uvsc_wolverine (692513) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670835)

I feel kinda sorry for the poor bastard who has to stand over it staring at the screen for 4+ hours. He's gonna have a serious neck/back ache.

Re:Stand-by Chiropractor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26670957)

By default, the Microsoft Surface is made for sitting around, and the height of the device reflects this.

For situations like this, the device is usually built in a custom enclosure to bring it to standing height.

The device can be used for hours without discomfort when it is at the right height for the surroundings.

Re:Stand-by Chiropractor (1)

uvsc_wolverine (692513) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671063)

Good to know. I had no idea they had done this. All of the demos I've seen on-line look like sitting around a dining room/coffee table.

Negative (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670841)

I know lets all hate on the giant table. But its minority report irl thats awesome, sure its probably pointless but its cool. I dream a day when all my furniture is computers.... Really that wouldnt be that cool but the table computer is somewhat feasible. I figure anything commonly used in movies and tv shows is worth a shot.

Zero Day Expert (1)

EGenius007 (1125395) | more than 5 years ago | (#26670905)

If there's a Zero Day exploit to be found, my money is on Dion Rich [signonsandiego.com] .

cheap (1)

mistahkurtz (1047838) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671349)

Hopefully it wont have to reboot after every new incident report.

am i the only one getting tired of these lame "look at how clever i am bashing big bad microsoft" pot shots?

seriously, have a little dignity and self-respect. treat other people like they actually use their brains (even if you don't).

Won't you idiots ever enter this decade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26671367)

opefully it wont have to reboot after every new incident report.

ffs im so tired of this damn site... if any of you had even attempted to use windows in this decade at all you would realize you rarely have to restart for anything but the most critical patches, which are often shared libraries for many applications and services. (I would even argue restarting in that case isn't so much as required as it is just a good idea to save you the time of closing all applications and services depandent on the shared libraries, and only required when the kernel/drivers are updated.)

Linux is only slightly better with this. You must still reboot if the kernel is upgraded, much like with windows. Just because most applications would prefer you restart to ensure all shared resources have been unloaded doesn't mean a reboot is required. Most installers simply end with a reboot option because they really want you to see the new notification icon has loaded. (notification icons are yet another matter you idiots can't grasp. This is not microsoft's fault, its the application developers.)

Seriously, the conversation over at 4chan has been better than the last few months here at slashdot. All I ever seem to see here anymore is idiots bashing something they appear to have not used in at least 12 years.

(I will concede that drivers shouldn't require a reboot either but meh)

Karma to burn (1)

hobbit (5915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671381)

Make all the BSOD/reboot jokes you like, but I'm excited by Microsoft Surface.

I'm a die-hard Apple fan, and I *really* want to see something like the Surface from them. I'm hoping that Microsoft will be successful enough to spur them into making a tablet (just like I'm hoping that Android Marketplace will be successful enough to encourage Apple to be less draconian with their App Store policies).

A different perspective (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 5 years ago | (#26671547)

I wonder what could be done with this type of interface [ted.com] . It certainly would be a lot less expensive than Microsoft's Surface, and you wouldn't be locked into an operating system that is stuck in the 90's.
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