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Jack Thompson Attacks DoD, ESA, GTA With Utah Bill

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the back-on-board-the-train-to-crazytown dept.

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eldavojohn writes "Delusional disbarred Miami attorney Jack Thompson claims to have a bill in the state of Utah that targets retailers and entire industries with the Truth in Advertising Law. The best part of his rant: 'Our military appropriately uses violent video games a) to suppress the inhibition to kill of new recruits, and b) to teach killing scenarios. Games have the same effect on civilian teens.' While GamePolitics couldn't find the bill on Utah's state site, they did receive a response from him claiming 'I have a sponsor and a bill, and [the video game] industry is in trouble.' For 2009 bills, there seems to be merely a bill enhancing the Truth in Advertising Law but does not contain any of Thompson's verbiage. Good 'ole Jack — always good for some laughs, but really he needs to give it up one of these days."

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Hahahah (1, Redundant)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 5 years ago | (#26714935)

Kick & scream all you want pig, you lose.

Re:Hahahah (5, Insightful)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716369)

Kick & scream all you want pig, you lose

I think that's a dangerous attitude to take. There are a lot of people out there who don't know any better who will take seriously whoever is shouting loudest. For many years now, that person has been Jack Thompson.

The thing that makes him most dangerous is that there's an element of truth to his arguments. There's a minimal amount in there that makes the things he says plausible to those people who don't/can't educate themselves.

Video games vs Jack (5, Funny)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 5 years ago | (#26714943)

Video games never made me want to kill another (real) person. Jack Thompson on the other hand makes me want to kill - someone, possibly named Jack - every time I hear from Mr. Thompson.

Re:Video games vs Jack (4, Funny)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715207)

He's made me want to get into racketeering! [penny-arcade.com]

Re:Video games vs Jack (2, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715255)

Playing devil's advocate... you're probably being somewhat sarcastic/facetious, but you are making a point. Being a proper devil's advocate, I thought I would point out that I don't know that most people believing in the games-cause-violence idea would say that games make people want to commit random acts of murder. Rather, that when tension builds/anger occurs, violence as an action comes more naturally than before the video-game-"conditioning." In other words, the fact that your reaction to J.T. is "kill Jack!" proves that the violent video games did have an effect - that is, they are affecting your reaction to something that displeases you.

Note: I'm not arguing for the position.

Re:Video games vs Jack (2, Insightful)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715305)

That's the stupidist argument I've ever heard. Building tension / anger has lead to violence long before video games were ever created.

Re:Video games vs Jack (2, Interesting)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715729)

You're right, but have video games led to move violence? I think a bigger area to look at would be how do things like the huge popularity in MMA affect today's youth. Are people more likely to fight because they are watching so much realistic violence all the time? Or, are things like violent video games, MMA, etc... simply reflecting our current society where violence appears to be more prevalent than in the past?

Re:Video games vs Jack (2, Insightful)

pmbasehore (1198857) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716069)

Or, has the rise of MMORPGs like WoW and the like led to the rise of teenage witchcraft and mythical, fell creatures?

Seems like similar logic to me.

Re:Video games vs Jack (2, Insightful)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716377)

Spurious comparison. Witchcraft and mythical creatures are not real (I know some would argue they are but we'll go with the assumption they are not). Violence is real though so your argument is invalid. You can't disprove a logical argument by constructing a similar argument using unreal elements.

Video game violence and situation comedies... (4, Insightful)

tlambert (566799) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716173)

Video game violence and situation comedies are obviously ruining this nation.

This is why we have so many random acts of violence and comedy in the streets.

Wait. I guess kids aren't the mindless copy-drones they're made out to be.

Never mind.

-- Terry

Re:Video games vs Jack (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715993)

But did (or, present tense, do) societies, and on a greater scale, entire civilizations, have more violence than others? ENJOY violence more than others?

Example. Did, say, the Puritans enjoy violence? Not really. Did... I don't know, pick a society or civilization known for peace. Did they enjoy violence? Assyrians appeared to. Romans definitely did. It seems that some civs and societies actually promoted it, while others did not appear to do so. America

So, as EastCoastSurfer pointed out, does violence in the entertainment industry actually AFFECT people, or is it simply reflecting our society? Are either one of these actually Good Things (tm)? (if it's reflecting society, is that a part of society that we WANT to reflect? If it's affecting society, is that how we want society to be affected?)

Re:Video games vs Jack (1)

Trails (629752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715313)

I don't think the word "proves" means what you think it means...

Re:Video games vs Jack (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715869)

And correlation is not causation. I agree.

Whether or not a correlation implies a causation is where more research comes in. If things aren't correlated at ALL, then causation is obviously NOT there. Causation necessitates correlation (at least, in my logic, I could be shown that it is in error though... at the moment seems pretty solid), so where there is a correlation, there might be a causation.

Unfortunately, most studies only point out correlations. And most "proofs" are actually just suggestions with some amount of good supporting arguments.

Re:Video games vs Jack (2, Funny)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715675)

I don't play video games and my reaction is the same: "kill Jack!" I do like to play chess though. And I like to eat potato chips as well. Still can't decide if it's playing chess or eating potato chips that causes me to have that reaction? Hmmm, something to think about (if you are or should be in a mental institution).

Re:Video games vs Jack (4, Funny)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715757)

I don't play video games and my reaction is the same: "kill Jack!" I do like to play chess though. And I like to eat potato chips as well. Still can't decide if it's playing chess or eating potato chips that causes me to have that reaction? Hmmm, something to think about (if you are or should be in a mental institution).

Chess was the murder simulator that introduced kings to killing scenarios and casued the crusades.

Re:Video games vs Jack (1)

Trails (629752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715823)

Violence inducing regicide simulator, training kids to kill monarchs and towers and to move in L-shapes for centuries!!!

Re:Video games vs Jack (4, Funny)

Feanturi (99866) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716059)

True story: I had a nightmare once when I was around 8 years old, in which I kept spotting people that were poised to kill me. I knew they meant to kill me because they were an L-shaped move away from wherever I was at the time. I knew they'd be able to jump over any obstacle between us and kill me instantly upon landing, so I kept having to run away thereby changing the positional advantage they had. But I would only wind up encountering someone else also that same relative position away from me, and have to run again. Had I not been exposed to chess, I would not have had to contend with this frightful situation. Clearly chess breeds violent thoughts and needs to be stamped out once and for all!

Little known fact, Jack: (2, Funny)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715381)

The word "thompson" in Elbonian means "cough".

Re:Little known fact, Jack: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715441)

Not even close to funny.

Never (5, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#26714971)

He will never give up. The reason is simple - every time he goes off on one of his insane ramblings, news sites and services cover it and give his voice an audience. Until people stop caring what he has to say, he'll keep saying things. Unfortunately.

Re:Never (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715131)

I'm less bothered by the publicity this guy gets (let's face it, most "news" is cruft) than the fact that he keeps getting through the Slashdot editors' filters. Lately, they've been showing a depressing fondness for stories whose main interest is to lovers of freak shows [invivio.net] .

Re:Never (2, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715137)

He will never give up. The reason is simple - every time he goes off on one of his insane ramblings, news sites and services cover it and give his voice an audience. Until people stop caring what he has to say, he'll keep saying things. Unfortunately.

As the submitter of this story, I think it's important we keep pointing out his actions because (1) he has lost (2) although I'm not a lawyer I believe it sets precedence for future cases and (3) even the general public can see through to his attacks on our freedom. I believe there are more lawyers masquerading in our legal system as legit when they're really just Jack Thompsons at heart and I hope the public learns about them by observing the obvious cases of dementia. In my opinion a good example is John Ashcroft [wikipedia.org] .

Sometimes Jack Thompson's arguments are so laughably false that I suspect he was installed by gamers, the entertainment industry and liberties advocates as a physical straw man!

Re:Never (5, Insightful)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715449)

I think it was Tycho from Penny Arcade who said something like this, though I can't find the quote:

"I'm glad we have Jack Thompson as the spokesman for the anti-videogames movement, lest we have someone more competent to take his place."

Re:Never (1)

nextekcarl (1402899) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715663)

But does it make other, nearly equally insane, people seem more reasonable to the average person (in comparison)? Sometimes where you are negotiating with someone you will want to first present an idea so ridiculous sounding (to people who really understand the problem you are dealing with) that the idea you really want them to agree to sounds reasonable in comparison. This is usually only when you are dealing with someone who doesn't really understand the situation, obviously, like a PHB, but I think most people out there are at about that level when it comes to gaming (though I see that changing as it becomes more and more common).

Re:Never (1, Redundant)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715227)

Good point. Why the hell does slashdot report this?
Right. Traffic.

Re:Never (4, Funny)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715239)

Listen, and understand. That Jack Thompson is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

Re:Never (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715619)

There's a moral to Jack Thompson going to Utah, "When You're By the Great Salt Lake, Don't Drink the Water." It makes you do weird things.

Re:Never (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715679)

Does that mean we can crush Jack Thompson in a hydraulic press? Please, pretty please?

Re:Never (1)

BobReturns (1424847) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715911)

Clearly the terminator movies, as intended by the US army, were designed to condition you towards violent behaviour.

Deseret News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715467)

If the Deseret News is the highest profile newspaper that Jack Thompson can get published in these days, then there isn't much to worry about from him.

Re:Never (2, Insightful)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715501)

The reason is simple - every time he goes off on one of his insane ramblings, news sites and services cover it and give his voice an audience. Until people stop caring what he has to say, he'll keep saying things. Unfortunately.

And how is that working out for him, so far?

Sure, he's been disbarred, he's trashed his livelihood and his reputation, and he has become the laughingstock of both the legal and entertainment industries -- but since someone is still printing his NAME on a WEB SITE, he must be WINNING!

There is no such thing... (1)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715735)

...as bad publicity.

Re:Never (1)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715533)

Thompson played too much starfox.
Never give up! Never surrender!
Do a barrel roll. (Press Z or R twice.)

Re:Never (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715555)

Until people stop caring what he has to say, he'll keep saying things. Unfortunately.

"Unfortunately" why? He's quite entertainingly mad. I enjoy hearing what he comes away with.

Re:Never (1)

gnarlyhotep (872433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716147)

And people shouldn't ignore him. The press should publish his rhetoric, and give him the audience he deserves. It's far better to have the voice of the censor lobby to be someone this insane, rather than someone more reasonable sounding, but who has the same views and goals. It allows for that entire side to be marginalize, and thus for acutal progress on reasonable restrictions (if any are appropriate) to take place.

If not for wingnuts like good ol' Jack; Lieberman and Rodham-Clinton may have been successful in creating government censorship of games.

Thank god he's still around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26714973)

When Jack Thompson is around making all the crazy hubub that he does in the news, noone pays attention to all the things I and project mayhem do (splicing single frames of Goatse into children's films, rick rolling rick astley, etc). Helps me to stay off the radar.

- T. Durden

Re:Thank god he's still around (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715247)

There's a multi-frame goatse?

Re:Thank god he's still around (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715413)

Oh yes. Someone had an animated GIF or Flash video with several stills one after another.

Re:Thank god he's still around (1)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715443)

There's a whole series, and a few .gifs

Re:Thank god he's still around (5, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715411)

I remember Jack Thompson, but who the hell is Utah Bill?

Re:Thank god he's still around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26716043)

I remember Jack Thompson, but who the hell is Utah Bill?

Buffalo Bill's lesser known brother.

Re:Thank god he's still around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26716335)

He prosecuted Bill Stickers a few years ago.

I can't wait until they finally lock him up (4, Interesting)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715001)

...and give him this guy as a cellmate. [wikipedia.org]

At least they wouldn't run out of stuff to talk about.

Re:I can't wait until they finally lock him up (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715319)

Are you kidding? They would break the legal system! You're just trying to set up some sort of DoS attack on district courts, aren't you?

So they'd stop selling stuff in Utah (2, Funny)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715007)

I'm sure the very thought must have them terrified, Jack.

To quote W. C. Fields. (1)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715009)

Go away kid, you bother me.

But it's UTAH.. (3, Funny)

Binkleyz (175773) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715019)

Who cares?

No offense to the nice nice people in Utah, but one state law, in a very small (population-wise) state, and will have little or no impact on the VG industry. Even IF this bill passes, there is certain to be an immediate EFF or ACLU lawsuit to overturn it.

Utah is the reddest of the "Red States", and I have to imagine that most good Mormon kids aren't playing GTA4 anyway.

Re:But it's UTAH.. (1)

Ifandbut (1328775) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715215)

I agree with your general statement however, what about us 'foreigners' (aka non-mormons) who are stuck in this state.

I had to move to Utah for a job right out of college. The environment out here is nice so is the scenery, however I often I feel I have nothing in common with anyone in this state because I'm a "far left Obama supporter". You cant believe some of the looks I got after election day. They were all like "how could you vote for him O.O".

To any one considering about moving to Utah and leans to the left: dont. Utah is a great place to visit, but the Democrat ideals are not welcomed here.

Re:But it's UTAH.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715297)

You're not alone, my friend, you're not alone. Together we can sway these republicans.

Re:But it's UTAH.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715695)

I'm a conservative from Utah, and we don't care that you voted for Obama. You're just naive, paranoid, and you worry too much about what others think of you. That is why you voted for Obama, to fit in with the Hollywood crowd.

Re:But it's UTAH.. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715949)

why is it that people like you can never accept that someone can have sincere political beliefs that differ from yours?

Re:But it's UTAH.. (2, Insightful)

Mercution (1247442) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715863)

On the contrary... we Mormon kids aren't allows to do anything illegal. So video games are a great outlet.

GTA4 is a great outlet. Except for a crappy story line (in my opinion).

Re:But it's UTAH.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26716045)

Not everyone in Utah is a mormon, you know.

Re:But it's UTAH.. (1)

Kamokazi (1080091) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716195)

I really don't think that party alliances have much to do with anti-videogame legislation (except maybe some of the more radical propositions in THIS particular piece of legislation). The last time major legislation was being kicked around in the US senate, it was headed by a bi-partisan mix. And one of the longest-time supporters is Joe Leiberman (Play Postal 2, the easy difficulty setting is called 'Leibermode'), and Hilary Clinton actually joined him on a supporting some legislation (not sure if it got to full 'bill' status) shortly after she took office (and it was actually looking like it had a chance, but it got overlooked when 9-11 hit).

Re:But it's UTAH.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26716277)

Most "good Mormon kids" are the same as any other kids these days.

Unless you're talking FLDS kids. Ugh - floral pattern dresses and flannel everywhere.

The man is pitiful (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715029)

He sacrificed his career over this stupid crusade. Unlike most of us, he can't easily become a professional in his field again.

Re:The man is pitiful (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715175)

Yet if he had won, or wins in the future he'll be harrowed a hero who stuck to his principals.

Re:The man is pitiful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715233)

id like to see him harrowed [wikipedia.org]

Slashdot... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715041)

News for nerds, rantings of crazy people?

Jack has no authority anymore. Until such a time as he actually gets some, please ignore him.

Re:Slashdot... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715163)

News for nerds, rantings of crazy people?

You must be n....awww fuck it.

Re:Slashdot... (2, Insightful)

Fujisawa Sensei (207127) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715825)

News for nerds, rantings of crazy people?

Jack has no authority anymore. Until such a time as he actually gets some, please ignore him.

What do you mean "anymore"?

I don't believe that he ever actually had any.

Re:Slashdot... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715897)

As a lawyer, he did have a certain measure of professional authority. He was still a crackpot then, but some people listened to him. Having been disbarred, his professional authority is completely gone. Unless he can convince someone else in authority to proxy for him (like this mythical state rep he claims to have in his pocket) no one is going to listen. So neither should we.

The Ann Coulter effect (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715075)

We are so fortunate to have Jack Thompson. Without his antics, people might start to take the "violence in media = real violence" statement as a logical thought, and may consider censorship.

Continue to fight for the right side (probably unintentionally) Mr. Thompson!

Just as it happens in movies (1)

Extremus (1043274) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715083)

Games should be rated like movies are. Then it is up to the parents to take care of what their children watch or play.

Re:Just as it happens in movies (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715341)

Well first they are. And at least according to the article he wants both movie and video game to be federally enforced. Which is odd since he previously railed that the ESRB ratings were a joke, but not so odd since it is Jack Thompson. I wouldn't be so sad if there weren't so many comments on the linked news article that essentially say there is a connection between violent media and violent actions. The sad part is he is getting through to some people.

Re:Just as it happens in movies (1)

Ninnle Linux (1460113) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715429)

What a brilliant idea. I'm amazed that up until now no one thought up such an idea. Oh wait, you mean someone already did 17 years ago? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESRB [wikipedia.org]

Re:Just as it happens in movies (2, Interesting)

rev_sanchez (691443) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715575)

The movie rating system is pretty messed up [imdb.com] . I prefer the Joe Bob Briggs method of rating movies from when he was on the movie channel. He'd run down the count of kills (with an emphasis on decapitations or anything out of the ordinary) and breasts and other nudity. We could throw in counts of bad language. The rating would be something like:

up to 542 kills/per game - some with chainsaw
8 breasts and 3 asses
"shit" - 12, "piss" - 1, "fuck" - 17, "cunt" - 0, "cocksucker" - 3, "motherfucker" - 6, "tits" - 2

Then a parent can decide if Timmy is ready to saw a zombie in half or if he needs to hold off on being able to hit a button to yell "motherfucker" at a Nazi for another year or so.

Re:Just as it happens in movies (2, Informative)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715971)

Zombies don't count as kills, they're already dead.

Hans

Re:Just as it happens in movies (3, Insightful)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715599)

I think their problem is that games are treated more like movies, and less like cigarettes and alcohol. And to them that seems like a bad thing.

An easy-going cashier might sell a violent game to some 8-year-old without a care in the world. I've seen it happen with films at the theater, rentals at a BlockBuster, and games at a GameStop.

As with most things, video games shouldn't be a federal matter but a family one. Parents need to take an active role in their kids lives and not just hand over wads of cash or buy something because they want it.

  • Parents should be vigilant about what they're buying for their kids: a box with dismembered corpses on the cover might require a millisecond of thought when buying for a 5-year-old.
  • Parents should keep track of what their kids are doing with their money. Personally when I was a kid I didn't have access to a lot of disposable income
  • etc

I've mentioned it in the past, but my favorite anecdote about this whole thing took place while waiting in line at a GameStop. Some mother was asking the cashier if he thinks she should buy DeadRising for her really young kid. He told her about the ratings and described the game, but she STILL didn't want the responsibility of making the decision herself and kept asking for him to make the decision..

Re:Just as it happens in movies (1)

Extremus (1043274) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715961)

That remembers me of an episode with my father when a I was 16. I had just finished Carmageddon 2 after two or three months playing it. Then, my father enters my room saying I would not play that game any more :D. The game took two months to be prohibited in my country.

It wasn't his fault, as he used to pay attention to what I was playing. IMO the problem is that some fathers tend to not trust in ratings AND, besides that, they do not understand this video-game thing very well.

Solution looking for a problem (2, Interesting)

Rinisari (521266) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715087)

Jack Thompson is always coming up with these solutions, but he has yet to prove a problem.

Video games don't kill people.. (1)

phrackwulf (589741) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715139)

Jack Thompson makes me kill people. I'm sorry, your honor, but Mr. Thompson knowingly and directly was responsible for that busload of children I strafed. Had I not seen him file numerous illegal and misleading law suits on violent video games, I would not have taken it upon myself to randomly remove other people like him from the gene pool.

Jack Thompson? (3, Insightful)

JesseL (107722) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715181)

I can't believe he hasn't been found in a cheap motel room; dead from autoerotic asphyxiation, wearing a gimp suit and a dildo in his ass.

The dude.... (5, Funny)

8127972 (73495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715201)

... Really needs to have some hot coffee.

in retrospect . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715205)

. . . those massive beta tests of Left 4 Dead in Darfur and Duke Nuke'm 3D in Rwanda may have been a bad idea. That, or people can be real assholes to one another for just about any reason.

one of these days (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715257)

jack is going to realize his one true calling is internet trolling, and he will have a spectacular future

but right now, he is on a roll with this real life trolling act. in the outrageousness of it all you can almost smell the desperation, the need for a fix: attention, by any means necessary. the mark of a true troll

Sex or Violence? Both! (1)

coolmoose25 (1057210) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715283)

I find it interesting that the rants here are about not stopping violent video games, while on the Superbowl Ad thread [slashdot.org] Slashdot users bemoan the fact that ads that are sexually suggestive are censored, while the violent commercials are not. Hunkering down now for the inevitable blowback...

Re:Sex or Violence? Both! (2, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715741)

I find it interesting that the rants here are about not stopping violent video games, while on the Superbowl Ad thread [slashdot.org] Slashdot users bemoan the fact that ads that are sexually suggestive are censored, while the violent commercials are not

I would posit that the difference between the two is that you have a choice over which video games your kids play. You don't have a choice over which commercials play during the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl is typically regarded as something that the whole family can watch.

New game idea... (1, Redundant)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715289)

...about a guy name, say, Jack Thompson (purely fictional, of course). The goal would be to hunt down this character while he's going around trying to sue people and getting legislation passed. Higher points the sooner the character's dead, points off for each successful suit and/or bill passed.

Proposed game name: Off Jack Off.

'ole? (1)

mybadluck22 (750599) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715361)

Good 'ole Jack. ' could be... assh? guacam?

it is appropriate use (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715373)

Video games appropriately train the American public to kill enemies using whatever means is at hand. A car, an RPG, a nuclear bomb. The fact that these enemies might be not be sanctioned by the US government is not relevant. That hooker might really be a spy for a enemy government. That drug deal is clearly funding terrorist.

In the us we have a guaranteed right to own and bear arms. This right is part of of the final solution in which we must overthrow a government that is not for and by the people. This person, like so many others, do not understand that the 'government' cannot protect us from all the dangers that are out there, and we need these video games to train the private militia that will step in when the corrupt and likely illegally formed official forces cannot and will not step in. This country was never intended to have a incentuous standing army, leeching off the people like so man other who believe in entitlement, any more than it was intended to oppress the people with a national tax. The militia was supposed to protect the land, and the states were to fund the feds.

This is clearly yet another attempt to rip power from the people and give it to the aristocracy, like when the fat cats gave the corrupt and illegitimate previous government the right to listen to our calls without a warrent. Imagine, a person that most of the people voted against given the right to target his enemies, which were the majority of the population.

Clearly this continues the effort of the past several years to limit the right of individuals and create the socialist ideal, where guns are allowed, but regulated by a socialist agency, and money is made not by hard work, but by having friends in a government that takes the productivity from the people and gives it to the elite who produce nothing.

Re:it is appropriate use (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715935)

If you have any plans on starting a militia after the apocalypse, can you tell me your ideas for names?

I like to know who to avoid, or shoot on sight.

Just stop already. (1)

The Master Magician (4982) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715459)

Can we move to the point where we recognize that this guy is so irrelevant that he doesn't even deserve to have a story greenlit here?

Re:Just stop already. (1)

Ortega-Starfire (930563) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715585)

It isn't a story. It's a point and laugh exhibit.

Sure the guy is a loon...but... (1)

Black Sabbath (118110) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715527)

The guy is obviously "touched" in the head. Being crazy however does not preclude a measure of validity to some of his arguments (and I say this as someone who used to LMAO playing Carmaggedon).

For example, I wonder why the US military is so keen to promulgate their war/combat games. I can't image they got into the video game industry as just another income stream. Surely they must be expecting some sort of return other than a purely financial one? Say increased recruits. If this is so (i.e. the military believes it is so), then it begs further study. Why would people originally less inclined to join the military, be more inclined to do so after exposure to such games? Doesn't this imply a psychological effect?

I'm just saying...there may be a subtle effect going on here against individuals fitting certain profiles...

Re:Sure the guy is a loon...but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715715)

The games the military is producing are aimed for tactical decisions and leadership roles.

Of course being able to make tactically sound decisions on the fly is good for the military especially if you can take into account the other people on your side.... of course several CEO's have said the same kind of things about learning from MMO's and FPS games. (Several previous slashdot articles on this.)

Re:Sure the guy is a loon...but... (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715875)

They have games which are free designed to interest recruits.

They have simulators designed for training.

Jack who? (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715545)

Jack who? Who is this guy? Where did he come from? I have no idea who you are talking about. Seems like a guy who just wants some attention. Doesn't seem like he has anything important to say so I'm not going to click on the link.

Maybe if we just ignore him, he'll go away.

Re:Jack who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715627)

Well Sir, you just don't know Jack do you?

Solution.... (1)

crashelite (882844) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715583)

if bill passed Video game makers stop selling video games in utah. Jack found dead next day. Angry teens blamed.

The only time video games make me want to kill... (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715625)

Is when the damn thing resets 90% of the way to the end with no saves. Then I want to kill the developers and/or the hardware manufacturer.

Honestly... (1)

Psmylie (169236) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715645)

Can we try ignoring him and hope he'll go away? He feeds off attention. Let's starve him.

Utah isn't exactly the right place for this (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715699)

You know, the Mormon church sponsors like 30 percent the nation's Scout Troops. Scouting was designed to teach kids the basics of soldier life: camping, navigation, and taking and giving orders. It's not a long stretch of the imagination to say that Utah is fine with teaching young boys how to shoot guns (I know my troop did).

Re:Utah isn't exactly the right place for this (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715819)

There is nothing wrong with teaching kids how to shoot guns.

Re:Utah isn't exactly the right place for this (1)

EventHorizon_pc (1306663) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716259)

Yup, nothing wrong with it. I just searched for a link to a funny/relevant interview transcript I saw recently...but it turned out to be a hoax...doh! It's still funny.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/cosgrove-female-interviewer.shtml [hoax-slayer.com]

NYCL and Jack Thompson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26715705)

Fight! Fight! Fight!

The larger social problem (1)

wilder_card (774631) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715951)

What this story really illustrates is that we as a society have a bigger problem. Namely, we're letting crazy people run around loose. When will people like Mr. Thompson be confined and medicated for their own good? Is it really that hard to draw the line between dissent and stark raving lunacy?

My comment on desnews that probably wont be posted (1)

raventh1 (581261) | more than 5 years ago | (#26715953)

By Jack Hater
Dude Jack, stay the hell out of Utah. I don't want you polluting our pool of already somewhat interesting people. You've already been disbarred, and no one should ever take you seriously. However, most people don't recognize this and they need to know that you're full of shit. Seriously, Stop trying to ruin everything for everyone. It only takes one, and you're approaching infinity of retardation. Please just go live in some communist nation.
Regards,
Jack Hater.

(They probably wont post it because I used the words hell and shit)

jack was a sanctimonious a%%h#@e (2, Informative)

kraksmoka (561333) | more than 5 years ago | (#26716097)

he pursued 2 live crew like they were the devil. deserves what he gets

Not JT Again?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26716323)

Please, stop giving JT any press at all.

He knows how to google and ANY mention of his name is just encouragement, if we disagree with him we are obviously "part of the problem" and "running scared".

Or to put it in terms this crowd knows,

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

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