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Welcome to Niggerbuntu (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750671)

Niggerbuntu is a Linux-based operating system consisting of Free and Open Source software for laptops, desktops, and servers. Niggerbuntu has a clear focus on the user and usability - it should "Just Work", even if the user has only the thinking capacities of a sponge. The OS ships with the latest Gnomrilla release as well as a selection of server and desktop software that makes for a comfortable desktop experience off a single installation CD. It also features the packaging manager apeghetto, and the challenging Linux manual pages have been reformatted into the new 'monkey' format, so for example the manual for the shutdown command can be accessed just by typing: 'monkey shut-up -h now mothafukka' instead of 'man shutdown'.

Absolutely Free of Charge

Niggerbuntu is Free Software, and available to you free of charge, as in free beer or free stuffs you can get from looting. It's also Free in the sense of giving you rights of Software Freedom. The freedom to run, copy, steal, distribute, share, change the software for any purpose, without paying licensing fees.

Free software as in free beer!

Niggerbuntu is an ancient Nigger word, meaning "humanity to monkeys". Niggerbuntu also means "I am what I am because of how apes behave". The Niggerbuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Niggerbuntu to the software world. The dictator Bokassa described Niggerbuntu in the following way: "A subhuman with Niggerbuntu is open and available to others (like a white bitch you're ready to fsck), affirming of others, does not feel threatened by the fact that others species are more intelligent than we are, for it has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that it belongs to the great monkey specie." We chose the name Niggerbuntu for this distribution because we think it captures perfectly the spirit of sharing and looting that is at the heart of the open source movement.

Re:Welcome to Niggerbuntu (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750835)

"I am what I am because of how apes behave"

Now that is funny. I sense a T-shirt coming my way.

Re:Welcome to Niggerbuntu (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751139)

Right, because someone who posts anonymously would have the balls to wear a racist t-shirt.

Slashdotted? (-1, Offtopic)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750679)

I got a 404 switching from the worthless mobile page of the article.

Re:Slashdotted? (1)

Phoenixhawk (1188721) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750721)

Yes, Works just fine on my PC, my iPhone 404'ed it

Re:Slashdotted? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751329)

Why do people feel the need to say "my iPhone"? It's just a damn phone for chrissakes. I don't tell people "my Touch Diamond 404'd" I just say "my phone" or "my mobile browser". You sound like a twat when you say "my iPhone" and does nothing but perpetuate the stereotype that Apple fanboi's are talking out their arses.

Re:Slashdotted? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750739)

Just fine on FF3/Mac

not surprising (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750727)

9/10 people polled also couldn't tell the difference between rabbit shit and deer shit.

Re:not surprising (5, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750779)

9/10 people polled also couldn't tell the difference between rabbit shit and deer shit.

And nine out of ten couldn't tell the difference between your statistics and bullshit.

That said it is a useful comparison.

Someone who is just walking in the woods probably cannot tell rabbit shit from deer shit. A tracker or someone dependent on hunting for food certainly will.

Someone who just needs to run a browser and word processor probably can't tell Windows 7 from KDE. Someone who needs to configure and administrate systems for an organisation certainly will.

Re:not surprising (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750875)

9/10 people polled also couldn't tell the difference between rabbit shit and deer shit.

And nine out of ten couldn't tell the difference between your statistics and bullshit.

  That said it is a useful comparison.

Someone who is just walking in the woods probably cannot tell rabbit shit from deer shit. A tracker or someone dependent on hunting for food certainly will.

    Someone who just needs to run a browser and word processor probably can't tell Windows 7 from KDE. Someone who needs to configure and administrate systems for an organisation certainly will.

Also 9/10 enjoys group rapes

Re:not surprising (5, Interesting)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750963)

Someone who just needs to run a browser and word processor probably can't tell Windows 7 from KDE. Someone who needs to configure and administrate systems for an organisation certainly will.

True.

I actually had a long argument with my SO about Linux vs. Windows issue. My main point was this: whenever she experiences any trouble she still complains to me, and for me it is much easier to deal with Linux. So she gave it a try and it all went OK to her own surprise, she had no troubles using FF, Gimp and Pidgin.

Re:not surprising (5, Funny)

Tiber (613512) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751109)

I have the opposite problem. My wife won't touch linux but still wants to use my PC.

Then she gripes that it doesn't "automatically log in" or gives me the "we should share passwords".

I say to her, "Do you know shit about Linux?" "no" "THEN YOU DON'T NEED MY PASSWORD FOR SHIT".

Re:not surprising (5, Insightful)

gsaraber (46165) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751235)

Dude she just wants your password to check your email and make sure you don't have anyone on the side :)

Re:not surprising (5, Funny)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751239)

I say to her, "Do you know shit about Linux?" "no" "THEN YOU DON'T NEED MY PASSWORD FOR SHIT".

Careful, sledgehammers need no passwords.

Re:not surprising (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751157)

>>>Someone who just needs to run a browser and word processor probably can't tell Windows 7 from KDE

It's worse than that. Most people don't know the difference between Windows Vista and Windows Vista. That's why Mickeysoft could so easily fool them with their "Mohave'" ads. I worked in retail for 10 years and people, even intelligent ones, are so easy to dupe. They are generally clueless.

Re:not surprising (4, Informative)

gutnor (872759) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751257)

I'm sure that most people will see the difference when trying to install a game, sync their PDA (with the instruction on their constructor webpage not matching what they see on their screen) or try to open the crappy humor Powerpoint filling their mailboxes. No need to be a admin to see a subtle difference between linux and windows if you don't have a diligent kid/friend that take care of every single installation problem for you.

This video reminds me of all those "infomercial" showing the latest innovation in carpet cleaning or kitchen robot ...

eye candy (1, Flamebait)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750731)

Congrats, kde4 has finally realized what macintosh has known all along and and microsoft is recently getting: It doesn't matter what you can or can't DO with an operating system as long as you look good while doing it.

Vista just caught a lot of flak because it was a worthless, intrusive piece of junk that got in the way of word processing, email, and video watching. KDE4 lets people do the tasks that they want to do and for people who can't tell the difference between a pentium and a hard drive, are you surprised they aren't hip to the latest window manager screenshots and developments? I'd like to see a spoof video where someone takes a gnome that's been crafted to look and act like OSX and do the same thing comparing Gnome to OSX

From what i've heard about kde4, the bugs in the 4.0 release might make most vista users feel right at home.

Re:eye candy (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750777)

Vista just caught a lot of flak because it was a worthless, intrusive piece of junk that got in the way of word processing, email, and video watching.

Um, I don't think Vista ever got in the way of those particular tasks.

KDE4 lets people do the tasks that they want to do

Until they pop in the RA3 disc, and need to take some extra steps to make it run.

Re:eye candy (-1, Troll)

tritonman (998572) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750797)

yes, congrats kde4, now all you have to do is reliably and legally run all software that runs on windows and I'll buy it.

Re:eye candy (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750859)

You'll buy KDE4?!?!

I've got this pirate copy of KDE4.2... It's much cheaper than the original.

Re:eye candy (1)

Hyppy (74366) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750937)

"Legally"? Care to share how it is a criminal offense to run Windows software on a GNU/Linux-based computer?

Re:eye candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750957)

Can I legally play a DVD on a Linux box in the US?

Re:eye candy (5, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751011)

That's a bug in your legal system. I heard you recently voted a new president who may submit a patch.

Then again, your system is so broken you may want to consider a ground up re-write.

Re:eye candy (5, Informative)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751147)

Can I legally play a DVD on a Linux box in the US?

Yes.

Ask Dell. They now include a closed source DVD player app to cover this niggle. The rest of the world uses the free codecs and the libdvdcss library just fine.

Another Linux roadblock gone eh.. Soon people will have to come up with real arguments.

Re:eye candy (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751371)

Considering that KDE4 can run on Windows, and that it is free, it is safe to say that your comment is pretty nonsensical! :)

Re:eye candy (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750853)

Compared to other OS's MacOS is actually quite lite with its eye candy. Oddly enough OS X focuses more of the function of the UI more then how it looks. Every effect has a reason for it, and is used to help people grasp rather abstract concepts better. Vs. Say Wobbly windows in Ubuntu Linux which only hinders usage in order to look fancier aka (Window stuttering when it gets close to an other window)

Re:eye candy (0, Troll)

the100rabh (947158) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750925)

thanks but thats actually BS :-)

Re:eye candy (1, Offtopic)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751175)

What GP said is pretty much the rules of UI design devised many years ago by Microsoft and IBM. It's just the both never followed their own UI design rules. Actually M$ has quite strict internal UI design rules - yet they are to accommodate disabled, not to improve overall usability.

Apple generally follows style and common sense. Unlike M$/etc who are driven by business logic of max profit, Apple folks always try to make computer they would want to own themselves. That's why they experiment more - and invent more - than the rest of industry.

In that sense KDE4 is much closer to Mac OS X (while e.g. GNOME is closer to M$Windows). KDE folks develop (on their spare time) system which they themselves use on daily basis. There are no politics nor business pressure. That's why they are slow - but generally end result is much better than rest of the crop.

Re:eye candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751039)

Pfft, lots of people have no clue what it means when an icon on the dock starts bouncing around unless it's been explained to them. When it happens unexpectedly it actually scares people!

Re:eye candy (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751293)

When icon bounces - they are confused. This is whole of point of counter-productive eye-candy.

But if people performed some action and icon started bouncing, pretty much everybody guesses right first time where to click and what to expect next.

Re:eye candy (2, Informative)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751119)

Wobbly Windows in KDE are nice and smooth.

They serve the same function as a "slurp" down to minimize. They make the motion organic and natural feeling when moving a window.

In Compiz it feels glitchy too much though, with weird jerking when dragging to a new desktop.

I will concure on the Ubuntu Default for extra desktop effects being too much, they chose the least intuitive animation for some things (however new windows come in, it is not natural or organic).

Re:eye candy (1)

ConanG (699649) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751241)

They serve the same function as a "slurp" down to minimize. They make the motion organic and natural feeling when moving a window.

That's not the purpose of the minimize effect. It's purpose is to let you know where the window went so you can find it.
The wobbly effect in KDE is just eye candy.

Re:eye candy (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751281)

My argument against moving the windows to be wobbly is the fact in real life we have more experience with solid objects Then Rubbery ones. Moving a windows should stay as a solid feel. Actually if you want to get a more realistic effect you should probably have the window rotate based on the torque that you place on the window when moving it. As for the "slurp" it effect is because the window is doing something that in real life we don't experience Objects shrinking without distortion it also forms an arrow in appearance to let the person know where the window went to. The wobbly window is just for fun, not useful or helpful.

Re:eye candy (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751283)

Compared to other OS's MacOS is actually quite lite with its eye candy. Oddly enough OS X focuses more of the function of the UI more then how it looks. Every effect has a reason for it, and is used to help people grasp rather abstract concepts better. Vs. Say Wobbly windows in Ubuntu Linux which only hinders usage in order to look fancier aka (Window stuttering when it gets close to an other window)

You do know that Compiz is an optional third party add on for various desktops that you can use or not by choice? Not a built in part of the OS. And you can have as many or as few effects turned on as yo choose. Personally, I have it enabled on my desktop, but not on my laptop. My choice.

Agreed.. most of it is just eye candy, but there are a few useful functions.

The reveal all open windows on all desktops (forget what it's called) when I move my mouse to the top right corner is something I use all the time instead of alt tabbing through a whole bunch of windows on different desktops.

The preview window on mouse over for the task bar.

And surprisingly, the wobbly windows effect, which allows me to drag a maximised window to another desktop without minimising it. Not something I use much, but still useful. I've never had it stutter though. Must be a problem with the way Ubuntu implemented Compiz.

I have to admit though.. it is nice to see the expression on someone's face the first time they close a window on my desktop and it turns into a paper dart and flies away.

Re:eye candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751289)

Yes because wobbly windows being minimised is necessary.

Re:eye candy (1)

JAlexoi (1085785) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751317)

Ok, the first part may be insightful, but what is wrong with OPTIONAL eye candy. Wobbly windows are not even on by default.

Re:eye candy (4, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750965)

Am I the only one who doesn't want eye candy these days?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want the look of Pre-OSX Mac or early Unix operating systems, or windows 3.1... I don't want things that are painful to look at. Just a simple, quiet appearance that doesn't distract me from what I'm doing.

I can get that in Windows and KDE 3.5. I can get it in Gnome.

Vista screwed the UI, and I can't get it there (I can come close, but they made some things use the same colors, while in earlier versions of windows, they used different colors - such as input fields and non-input page backgrounds. Windows 7 hasn't fixed this.

KDE 4, MacOSX, Windows 7, Windows Vista... Too much bling and not enough customisation in the UI for me.

Re:eye candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751007)

"get off my lawn"

Re:eye candy (5, Informative)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751023)

Xfce is your friend.

I use Xubuntu. Plain, clear, simple and *fast*. 8.10 runs out of the box everything on my ThinkPad laptop including Bluetooth. Get it.

Re:eye candy (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751243)

Tried. I couldn't enlarge the font of icons on the desktop. On the screen I was using, they were too small to be usable.

If it weren't for that, I would have probably stuck with it.

Re:eye candy (2, Interesting)

AntEater (16627) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751295)

I'll second this. Xubuntu or Slackware with Xfce is very nice. It looks good without being distracting. It is very fast compared to the other full desktop/window managers and doesn't get in the way. Being based on Gtk it has similar customizations as gnome. KDE apps still run great under it as well. I keep trying Gnome & KDE but always go back to Xfce when I need to get some work done.

Re:eye candy (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751321)

... or IceWM.

Xfce is nice too and I'm using it on my aging lappie.

Yet for work I prefer IceWM. It's very easy to configure and one can configure pretty much everything.

KDE4 starts on my WS in about 10s. IceWM - 0s (below error margin).

Re:eye candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751343)

KDE4 lets people do the tasks that they want to do

No it doesn't. It tries its damnedest to let you be anything *but* productive. Notice all the migrations to Gnome or hanging on to KDE3.

I fell for it.... (5, Funny)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750733)

I'll admit I fell for it. But in my defense, they showed it to me in the morning and I was really tired that morning for some reason. It's like someone switched out my usual high quality Columbian coffee with Folgers or something that day.

It should be labeled under "fun", not "kde" (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750735)

I mean; even the editors themselves state that there isn't any conclusion to be drawn here; "we've learned nothing" because there simply are too many factors to consider. People don't know Windows 7 or people don't know KDE. Or people don't really care at all. So; fun movie, move along.

Re:It should be labeled under "fun", not "kde" (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751195)

Still. It was very funny when people said that it is much improved compared to Vista.

Frankly I OTLed the whole two minutes.

Thats it just show the eye candy. (5, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750745)

Any OS can look impressive when you find a demo that shows off all the eye candy to its full extent. You could have shown these people DWM configured nicely they would think it would be the next generation OS, UI. Vista got good visual reviews too. The problem is when you start working with it, things change. KDE and GNOME while have a rather niced polished UI, you still need to do things the Unix/Linux way. The same with windows no matter what you do to the UI it is still windows and need to work with it.

What I find really funny comparing Windows/Gnome/KDE with a Mac. The Mac actually has a lot less eye candy, yet perception has it as having more.

Hawthorne Effect (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750907)

It's more than that. These people are involved. Give them the OS to take home to play with and they'll probably be mostly positive too.

You want to know MY opinion about your brand new OS that you spent billions in developing? You're going to listen to ME? Wow, I've got a good feeling about this already!

Re:Thats it just show the eye candy. (5, Interesting)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751287)

My favorite piece of eye candy was the "static" when opening the photo.

When the hell is somebody going to fix that, and whos fault is it?

X? WM? Graphics Driver?

it's getting old.

Re:Thats it just show the eye candy. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751315)

I think it is just laziness or trying to make sure you win some benchmarks, Why clear the video memory you just going to redraw on top of it later, like real soon.

The two guys' bottom line is nearly correct (5, Interesting)

VolkerLanz (1005127) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750751)

We did in fact not learn all that much from their little street intreviews. Apart from that people feel uncomfortable with Vista (what did that lady say -- "hard to get user-friendly with"?) we learnt that they seem to like the default looks of KDE 4. That's interesting, but not all that surprising.
Still a nice little laugh, that video.

Re:The two guys' bottom line is nearly correct (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750805)

Totally agree with you - although at the end the ZDnet video they said 'they learnt nothing', that's not quite correct. They learnt that nobody in their (presumably not very scientific sample) has any idea of what KDE4 looks like...

So, as you imply, should be on 'idle' really...

Re:The two guys' bottom line is nearly correct (1)

Paaskonijn (1220996) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751353)

They learnt that nobody in their (presumably not very scientific sample) has any idea of what KDE4 looks like...

It is implied in the video that is something they already knew.

It's a bit obvious, really. Most people have no idea what KDE is.

I'd be more interested in seeing the people's reaction when it's explained to them that what they were watching isn't Windows or Mac OS at all.

Re:The two guys' bottom line is nearly correct (5, Interesting)

NightFears (869799) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750995)

I think their point is that neither can any conclusions be drawn from Microsoft's spoofed Windows 7 interviews. People are willing to accept anything from an authoritative label. But that is not news, either.

Re:The two guys' bottom line is nearly correct (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751079)

i have something hard she can get user friendly with

Re:The two guys' bottom line is nearly correct (5, Insightful)

Excelsior (164338) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751219)

I think I learned quite a bit. I learned that when you get people in front of a camera talking about your product, they don't really pay very much attention to what they are seeing. If you look like a representative of the company, most people are going to say kind things.

Which to me, says an awful lot about the Mojave Experiment. It doesn't really matter what people say they think in that setting. It matters what they think when they install the OS on their own computer, and for Vista that hasn't been very good.

It also makes me question the effectiveness of usability labs I've sat through in the process of developing software for corporations. It's a painful process, and now I wonder if it is very accurate at all.

p00 thing on p00 for p00 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750753)

smwelll mye farrrrrts!!!@!!!#

Good laugh, but misleading (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750761)

It's very misleading, people could have pretended any OS or GUI, including MacOS-X - because the 1-2 min demonstration saying "look how easy it is" could have been a Vista desktop with a different background image, and people would be alike fooled. So the laugh was good, but it just shows how misleading suggestive presentations are, and what people truly value: easy to use, and they believe it (first) when you tell them, and get pissed (later) when it's not so as told (like in case of Vista).

Is KDE4 actually usable yet? (3, Informative)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750789)

This isn't a troll - I installed it with Suse 11.0 last year and though it was supposedly a release version it was utterly unusable, unstable and missing important features. I had to install 3.5.4 to actually get some work done. Since then I haven't bothered to check what state 4 is in now as I felt the KDE team (and Suse) had, to be polite, been rather dishonest about it. Is it worthwhile looking at it yet or should I just stick to 3.5 for the forseable future.

Re:Is KDE4 actually usable yet? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750819)

Yeah, 4.2 is far, far better than 4. I use it and love it!

Re:Is KDE4 actually usable yet? (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751185)

Have they made configuration a less pain in the ass than 3.5? I really really REALLY hate the way you have to go hunt for some config. While quite a lot has been put into the control panel, some options are hidden around the interface and can be quite hard to find.

Re:Is KDE4 actually usable yet? (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750979)

The KDE 4 team was completely honest about it. The problem was that the fans ran with what was essentially an alpha. The KDE 4 team repeatedly said that 4.0 will not have all the features, and that 4.1 won't either. 4.2 still doesn't have all of them, but it's getting there.

The fans saw '4.0' and started installing it on everything, and even the distro designers used it when it wasn't ready. In fact, I think they shouldn't even be pushing 4.2 yet. 4.3 would have been a lot smarter move.

Re:Is KDE4 actually usable yet? (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751325)

I tried it. It wasn't just lacking in features, it was lacking in fundamental functionality. I think your alpha comparison is accurate, but labeling it a 4.0 release implies a certain level of completeness that just wasn't there. It was a PR fuckup for KDE no matter what the fanbois did... and if even your fanbois are pissed you, you gotta know you got it wrong.

Re:Is KDE4 actually usable yet? (5, Informative)

the_womble (580291) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751009)

I blame the distro. They should not have made KDE4 the default so early - they should have stuck with KDE 3 until at least 4.2.

AS far as I can remember KDE 4.0 was well know not to be really ready.

Re:Is KDE4 actually usable yet? (1)

Jane_Dozey (759010) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751095)

It was a release version meant for people wanting to get to grips developing for the newer API. It was not meant for general use.

They shouldn't have versioned it as 4 and probably should have made it clearer to those who simply look at the new version number and don't read the release notice (I'm guilty of this).

It doesn't help that Kubuntu have used 4.1 as their default 8.10 install either.

KDE4 user (4, Informative)

DrYak (748999) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751101)

I've been using KDE4 since openSUSE started including the previews.

I felt the KDE team (and Suse) had, to be polite, been rather dishonest about it.

I don't know but to me it always seemed clear that the 4.0 was more a "early tester" release.

By now KDE4.2 is starting to get really usable and really configurable and could be used by more casual users.

Sure, if you have tons finely tuned stuff in KDE3.5, you'll really miss them.

But KDE4.2 offers enough basic functionality to be usable by most people.

Is it worthwhile looking at it yet or should I just stick to 3.5 for the forseable future.

If you don't depend on highly specific KDE3.5 customisations,
or if you're ready to spend time re-tuning everything again in a slightly different way,
then KDE4.2 is definitely worth giving a try.

On the other hand if you absolutely require the same level of ultra smooth-polished user experience that KDE3.5 offers, you'd better stick with the KDE3.x branch for now and probably wait until somewhere around the KDE4.5 version. (maybe just giving quick shot to KDE4.3 and 4.4 just to watch progress).

Ditto for KDE5.x in a couple of years : stay with KDE4.5 until that one matures. ;-)

Re:KDE4 user (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751311)

Does the use OSX Widgets work yet?

I can usually get them to show up as a widget in my selector, but I have never had one actually work (tried hellanzb, some movie times thing, and some weather thing).

All I heard about is how they were supported from such and such a release in the reviews. But I cannot for the life of me use them.

I like the conclusion... (4, Funny)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750803)

It is indeed surprising AND unsurprising.

The video ends with the two guys discussing "what have we learned today". FTFV:

-- Are you saying that we learned nothing?
-- Nothing.

Flight of the Conchords (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750813)

I was waiting for the silly song about Windows 7 and KDE.

move this to idle (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750815)

... seriously guys... wtf

Sufficient Reason To Avoid Both (3, Insightful)

reallocate (142797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750831)

If you can't distinguish KDE from Windows, and vice versa, that's reason enough to avoid both.

Re:Sufficient Reason To Avoid Both (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26750949)

Indeed and agreed.

Not intending to threadjack, and I think this is a relevant comment...

If I am highly productive with XP (e.g.) and there's nothing I need to do that I can't, is there any reason I should pay any attention to new OS versions coming out? It strikes me as fashion more than function, this whole "check out this new version of this or that" OS or app.

And the news is ... Windows 7!!!!! (1)

syngularyx (1070768) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750927)

Windows 7, windows SEVEN blah blah blah The next version of Windows is making me annoyed. I want to suggest a new post.... Shakespeare expressed himself on windows 7 as ... "Too much ado about nothing"

What does it show? (3, Interesting)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750953)

Anyone staging a demo can find a number of people to say oooh ahhhh.

Seriously. This is the problems with computers today. The perception of "usability" is not actual "usability."

We all know, at the end of the day, "usability" is how easy it is to accomplish one or more tasks, to a certain degree the ease at which you learn how to do these tasks, and lastly the predictability and reliability of accomplishing your tasks.

So, if something is easy to do, easy to learn, and rewards careful execution with consistent outcome, the thing is easy to use.

Now, where does flashy eye candy come in to that picture? It doesn't. That's why military vehicles are all drab colors. The criteria is utility not beauty.

Sure, I do *like* the way KDE 4 looks, but it is less usable than KDE 3.
 

Re:What does it show? (1)

xch13fx (1463819) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751135)

Anyone staging a demo can find a number of people to say oooh ahhhh.

the new pizza hut pasta commercials in Italy lol

It's all about the... (3, Insightful)

yoshi_mon (172895) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750977)

Apps and games baby...Uhh, uh-huh, yeah.

Seriously thou, the rub comes in with what the Win32/64 platform can run more than anything else these days. Both Mac and GNU desktops are plenty mature enough to deal with what most normal users would want. The main thing is now the sheer force of inertia that the Windows platform has in terms of what it runs natively.

Re:It's all about the... (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751159)

Oddly enough the same group of people who want more Applications for Linux, are also so dead against Web Applications and Cloud Computing, which in essence gives apps to these platforms. Really other then Games, CAD or High Performance Apps. A Well Designed web app can do the job, and work on Linux, Mac, Windows, BSD, Solaris... As most applications are based on Text Input some calculations Text or simple graphic output, Web Based apps are a good choice.

But no punchline... (5, Interesting)

markdavis (642305) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750983)

At the end, they should have said:

"Have you ever heard of Linux?"
"What have you heard?"
"What you say if I told you this was Linux and not MS-Windows?"

bait and switch and switch... (5, Informative)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#26750985)

I started the video, and it stuttered, and started over... with an actual demonstration of Windows 7. I had to reload the page to get the KDE4 prank video.

Was that supposed to be some kind of Zen test?

with this and that stupid twitter post... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751035)

...I once again have to put up a new year as another one _not_ to recommend Linux on the desktop.

There is only one question that matters: Does it run well the software I use, or sufficiently familiar software that productivity is increased enough to justify the change?

Presentations like this show that Linux desktop advocates completely misunderstand business and consumer requirements. It may shock you, but Microsoft will on the contrary spend a lot of time finding out what their enterprise consumers want, and Vista was the exception to their general rule of integrating for consumers the toys they clamour for.

Linux's "scratch an itch" GNU foundations almost by definition make it unsuitable for mass desktop deployment. You don't choose a philosophy that deems goal X irrelevant and then expect the ultimate implementation of that philosophy to be the achievement of X. (On the contrary, many admins and programmers are also the geeks who develop Linux, so Linux is successful here.)

P.S. Why the disproportionate number of women and black men on all the Ubuntu merchandising pages? This sort of stupid appeal to political correctness died off in the early '90s (unless you're the BBC), and everyone who isn't in chronic denial knows that most Linux users are non-black men. It all adds to the horribly culty image of Linux as some cooperative dream rather than a tool to get a job done. I'm no WASP, but I am Spanish, and if I saw 50% Mexicans on the Ubuntu site to try to make me feel "welcome" (or, worse, to make liberals feel like they're giving me a helping hand) I'd be entirely put off. As it is, I look at the site and think, "How would I feel as a woman/black man?" and I'm put off downloading Ubuntu.

Advice for not looking like your page needs an "ebony and ivory" backing track:
1. Don't put a single token black man on every page;

2. Don't try to balance the ratio of women and men if it's blatant that your market isn't anywhere near 50/50;

3. Moreover, if you want to represent two typical users, don't choose one woman and one black man - it's obvious what you're doing;

4. If you're going to build this facade of "oh everyone from every background uses our product", at least don't fuck up entirely with images such as this one [canonical.com] where the truth comes out in the guy trying to cop a desperate kiss of the woman. This man is the only one to actually represent the typical Linux fanboy, and he demonstrates what is - in the same politically correct world that requires (1) and (2) - sexual harassment.

Oh, and just to anticipate it:

5. Don't reply to this post with, "Oh, I didn't notice the people's gender/race. I'm sorry that you're so put off by people's gender/race! You must be sexist/racist." It requires 5 minutes in any sort of marketing position to know that anyone involved in such a photoshoot will notice the colour and gender of participants - if not to make the very sort of patronising faux pas that makes Ubuntu look like it's stuck in the '80s.

Linux is ready, KDE4.2 is not (2, Insightful)

Teun (17872) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751037)

This is more or less what I'm since a few years experiencing when someone needs to use my computer, I just point out the usual applications and nearly always they will get their thing done without any further issues.

Explaining tabs in the browser is harder, the vast majority will still shut down the browser instead of just the tab they were in.

Although KDE4.2 is showing great promises it's all but ready for full roll out.
But I sure like the way they are moving, it's nice to look at and the way they are splitting configurations like through widgets is in my view nice if only because it's optional.

But even in this demo we can see one of the issues, while rolling through the windows you notice how a video window is momentarily loosing like what seems sinc.

Now once it'll get snappy like KDE3.5 and robust as the OS underneath...

Eye candy is a superficial metric (2, Interesting)

Dracos (107777) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751091)

Exercises like this might be fun, but they have no practical purpose.

Linux desktops aren't marketed, they are judged by their users based on useful metrics: configuration options, stability, tools, etc.

In Windows world, 95, XP, and Vista were all marketed to the public primarily by showing static screens illustrating how pretty they were. Windows' classic interface looks bland today, but it was hip in the 90's. XP's fisher price interface was a hackish step further. Aero is a half-hearted catchup maneuver to Linux and OSX, delivered in a business-minded blandness that only Microsoft thinks is "innovative". Each of those versions were marketed the same, but received differently based on almost everything except their appearance. No one has ever said UAC prompts are pretty, they're too busy being annoyed by them.

Which desktop is more visually attractive has little to do with how much can be done with it, and how efficiently.

actually, it is easy to spot kde (-1, Troll)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751201)

you might call me a troll, but it is pretty easy to spot kde or gnome by the fugly font rendering. you can say about vista what you want, but fontwise vista is the best operating system out there.

Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751291)

They learned that these people can't tell Windows 7, which they've never seen, from KDE 4, which they've also never seen. Amazing discovery.

Neither. It's Ninnle! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26751351)

What's really surprising is that all the people tested couldn't distinguish NinWM from either Windows or KDE. Three cheers for Ninnle Labs!

But will KDE 4 play Starcraft II (-1, Troll)

ElSupreme (1217088) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751355)

I mean come on. Why else have a computer. And I was an early Vista Adopter (I know someone who works for MSFT, so I got hooked up for basically free) and well I didn't really have hardware to run it (didn't have the sys requirements for aero and all that) But I ran it, it was just slow. I finally bumped my memory and everything was a dream. And after SP1 really Vista is better than XP. I know it was a long time ago, but when I was running 2000, I got a pirate copy of XP, and put it on my older machine, and it ran like crap (way better than ME). Sure it booted about twice as fast as 2000 but that was it. My real gripe with Vista in only that they changed the control panel AGAIN. But at least you can put it back to 2000 style. And the new 2007 office interface without the file bar, it is a better UI than having it. It is just different so people complain. Newer and different isn't always better but you can get used to it. That was a really long rant for saying that KDE cant run Starcraft II which will become important (hopefully) this year.

Why would you want Linux to "beat" Windows? (1)

Loosifur (954968) | more than 5 years ago | (#26751381)

I don't think the three OS demographics have really changed at all, honestly. Apple still markets itself to people who don't really know anything (or want to know anything) about computers and will tend to buy software from Apple to match the computer and OS. And hipsters. Windows is still going to be the OS of choice for people who either grew up using it and aren't turned off enough to switch, or who spend considerable sums of money on games, or who just don't really care one way or the other. And people who do fist-bumps seriously. Linux is going to be the choice for hobbyists, geeks (I say this positively), people who've had terrible experiences with Windows and people who work in IT (and don't play current games much). None of the reactions of the people in the video would lead me to believe that there was anyone who'd break the preceding archetypes.

So, as a free OS, what does the Linux community gain from biting in to Microsoft's and Apple's market share? Why would you change Linux to make it more popular amongst people not necessarily inclined to make the switch? Think about it. If you make it pretty like Apple, you're either taking away from the trademark Linux efficiency, or you're wasting time better spent developing something else. If you make it attractive to game publishers, you've also got to make it user-proof, not just user-friendly, and that takes away a lot of the power of the OS as it stands.

It's like the Porsche Cayenne. Porsche coupes are great, because they're small, fast, and handle well. The Porsche Cayenne is sluggish, handles like crap, and is overpriced. Only guys in their 50's who go tanning and have jobs in sales buy Porsche Cayennes.

Lesson: It's better to do one thing well than several things poorly.

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