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Hadron Collider Relaunch Delayed

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the earth-gets-a-reprieve dept.

Science 223

SpuriousLogic writes "There's been another delay in the schedule announced for getting the Large Hadron Collider switched back on — now it's September 2009, a year after it shut down due to a malfunction. Scientists had said they expected the $5.4B machine to be repaired by November 2008, but then pushed the date back to June 2009, before the latest delay."

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NO (0, Troll)

UbuntuLinux (1242150) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795375)

September 2008? Its 2009 you fucking idiots.

Re:NO (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795511)

September 2008? Its 2009 you fucking idiots.

No, the Large Hadron Collider already provoke a Time-Space anomaly.

!!ATTENTION!! Please tag as -- KDAWSONSUCKS (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796029)

Mod me up if you have the points. Taco *needs* to fire kdawson--things are REALLY sad.

Mod parent up (5, Funny)

kdawson (3715) (1344097) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796091)

This one made me laugh. Honestly.

Listen pal, it ain't as easy as you would think to do things as they are done here. You people keep whining about us not reviewing the submissions before they come in, and so we finally get around to doing it, and you troll about it. So what if it took five months to review the submission? That's a LOT better than not reviewing it at all, right?

Sheesh!

MOD PARENT INFORMATIVE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796127)

Sad, but evidently true.

Re:Mod parent up (0, Troll)

hobbit (5915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796131)

Listen pal, it ain't as easy as you would think to do things as they are done here.

Perhaps you could elaborate? Many of us do difficult jobs and still know what year it is.

Re:Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796133)

You must be new here kdawson imitation.

Re:NO (2, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796139)

No, the Large Hadron Collider already provoke a Time-Space anomaly.

So that's what John de Lancie has been up to since Stargate SG-1 ended. I always knew the human race would be judged for our barbarism.

Re:NO (4, Funny)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795517)

> by November 2007, but then pushed the date back to June 2008

They're living backwards in time, dude. They think that the year of Linux on the Desktop was^H^H^Hwill be 1972.

Re:NO (1)

digitalchinky (650880) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796019)

Backwards in time... Taking (or rather, collecting) a dump is not going to be a very pleasant experience then.

Re:NO (3, Informative)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795527)

Hard to notice the years passing by in the cellar.

Damn, yet another year as virgin!

(I to was wondering if it happened to be an old article which some idiot had posted, but LHC isn't that old I thought... But well, turned out it was just an idiot who wrote the dates.)

Re:NO (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795637)

I'm really slipping, I wrote 1908 on a check today, instead of 1909.

He said fucking idiots, so not modded up? (2, Funny)

Alarindris (1253418) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795675)

You fucking idiots, that's a blatant and stupid error in the summary, give this guy some love.

Lay off the burbon and coke (ie cocaine) (1)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796147)

Look, we know you make tonnes of money working 30mins a week, but give at least some sense of professional work out of your 150k jobs. :)

Post your articles at 7am after waking up after all the hoockers and cocaine parties.

Re:NO (3, Funny)

mcfatboy93 (1363705) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795883)

stop yelling at them... I still mess up the whole 2008/2009 thing.Its only febuary

Re:NO (1)

Curtman (556920) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796083)

Its only febuary

Is that before or after February?

Re:NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796221)

Give him a break. He obviously meant FUBARary.

Re:NO (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796031)

September 2008? Its 2009 you fucking idiots.

Please mind your language. What you meant to say was: "It's 2009 you fucking idiot." (singular). kdawson is indeed a fucking idiot; the other "editors" aren't necessarily fucking idiots by extension.

I mean, they are, but we have to retain some sense of relative scale. They employ kdawson in much the same way that a bunch of plain girls always take a really fat, ugly one out with them to make them look better by comparison.

Re:NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796219)

Pesky black holes,can't even sweep them up.

Re:NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796271)

kdawson... what do you expect?

Incredible (5, Funny)

StupiderThanYou (896020) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795379)

It was only on a few days, and already they've achieved time travel.

Re:Incredible (1)

Yev000 (985549) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795421)

Great Scott!!

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795531)

This is heavy

Re:Incredible (2, Funny)

daniel_newby (1335811) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795781)

Heavy? What is this obsession with mass?

Re:Incredible (1)

therufus (677843) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795891)

Weight has nothing to do with it

Re:Incredible (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795927)

Is there something wrong with the Earth's gravitational pull in the future?

Re:Incredible (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795429)

It must be those wormholes they created.

Re:Incredible (2, Funny)

saintm (142527) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795445)

I've never seen one before - no one has - but I'm guessing it's a white hole.

Re:Incredible (1)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795497)

what is it?

Re:Incredible (2, Funny)

hikaricore (1081299) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795523)

I've never seen one before - no one has - but I'm guessing it's a white hole.

Re:Incredible (1)

djsmiley (752149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795555)

so what is it?

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795697)

I think we've experienced this period of time before, Sir.

Re:Incredible (1)

djsmiley (752149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795563)

So what is it?

Re:Incredible (1)

StupiderThanYou (896020) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795691)

I believe we've encountered this time stream before.

Re:Incredible (1)

dmbasso (1052166) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795751)

I've never seen one before - no one here on /. has - but I'm guessing it's a white hole.

There, fixed for ya. But I've been in some before, they feel quite nice. I almost got in a black hole a while ago, but I thought I would not be able to leave her, so I ran...

Too bad 2008 is so far in the future, I can't wait to see all the holes the LHC will create.

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795571)

A *white* hole?

Re:Incredible (1)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795903)

Maybe the goatse man's black hole was the culprit for this time travel mishap.

Re:Incredible (1)

pleasance (1466433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795741)

It was only on a few days, and already they've achieved time travel.

This was the first thing I read this morning. Thank you :D

man (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795381)

I'm used to shoddy posts from kdawson, but I kinda expected him to know which year it is.

Its 2009, not 2008 (2, Informative)

chfriley (160627) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795385)

Just fyi. And last year was 2008, not 2007.

---
SpuriousLogic writes
"There's been another delay in the schedule announced for getting the Large Hadron Collider switched back on -- now it's September 2008, a year after it shut down due to a malfunction. Scientists had said they expected the $5.4B machine to be repaired by November 2007, but then pushed the date back to June 2008, before the latest delay."
  technologytimesummarywrongsummary

Fast! (5, Funny)

bablefisk (115988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795395)

November 2007 was a bit optimistic, but september 2008 is still a really fast fix!

Re:Fast! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795449)

No, no. They went back in time and now they don't have to fix it. September 2008 is when they switched it on the first time and, thanks to time travel, without a hickup this time ... err.

That's more than just a typo... (4, Funny)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795419)

That entire news item is outdated. :P

Re:That's more than just a typo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796275)

In related news, the Hadron Collider has been repaired, and a new experiment has been made. Scientists haven't released an official paper yet, but we know it involves hadrons, gaping holes and some SpuriousLogic.

Confusion about Dates (2, Insightful)

Zephiris (788562) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795427)

The article [bbc.co.uk] apparently fails to contain any full dates, and no years.

See? This is why you always have to use four-digit years when specifying any date, even months, otherwise the 'software', *eyes original poster*, gets confused.

Re:Confusion about Dates (1)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795567)

...and you should also always specify whether it's AD or BC, whether you use julian or gregorian or some other calendar, and also the direction the time flows in in your corner of the universe. I think you can safely omit the name of your universe, though.

Re:Confusion about Dates (1)

Gandalf_Greyhame (44144) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795763)

Of course it's AD. You don't have to say it's AD. It's 2009. It's not like anything happened in 2009BC. Well, not in Geneva

Re:Confusion about Dates (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795951)

It's not like anything happened in 2009BC. Well, not in Geneva

As a resident, I can assure you that unless you have very deep pockets or actually work for CERN (and even then...), nothing happens here anyway. It's the Indianapolis of Europe.

Re:Confusion about Dates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796247)

Of course it's AD

Us secular people prefer CE.

Re:Confusion about Dates (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795995)

*Page last updated at 22:43 GMT, Monday, 9 February 2009*

Maybe it's a dupe from a year ago? (1)

VShael (62735) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795439)

Slashdot editors earning their keep...

When are you guys demanding a slice of the government bail-out then?

I can understand one... (1)

GreenTech11 (1471589) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795453)

I can understand the poster making one typo, afterall, 8 IS next to 9, but three typos seems a bit extreme

Time travel? (1)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795463)

Wow! Looks like it's already working!

So Advanced (1)

beezly (197427) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795487)

So this thing is so advanced that it can time travel into the past and delay its own repairs?

Re:So Advanced (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795545)

Didn't it rather make them happen early? Fixed september 2008 isn't what I would call a delay.

2012 is fast approaching (4, Funny)

VMaN (164134) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795501)

I have a sneaking suspicion the repairs won't be done till 2012... :| Making the prophecy come true after all.

Re:2012 is fast approaching (5, Funny)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795549)

Mark my words, 2009 will be the year of atleast one prophecy!

Re:2012 is fast approaching (1)

The Standard Deviant (869317) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795611)

If I had a mod point. . .

Re:2012 is fast approaching (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795651)

That's 2008 kdawson time for those of you who didn't get it!

Re:2012 is fast approaching (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795937)

I never make predictions... and I never will

Every night (-1, Troll)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795525)

The scientists who have worked out that it really will create planet-destroying black holes creep out and undo the repair work done during the day. Because if they simply publish their results the thing will be cancelled - and the people who lose their jobs will be really pissed.

Seriously, shouldn't we be mothballing this thing during a global recession? Its energy consumption and dust to dust cost makes the biggest truck-based SUV look like an economy car, and I'd rather the EU was spending my tax euros on something of more immediate consequence - like a new generation of nuclear reactors, or advanced solar power plants, both of which would, I imagine, employ the kind of engineers and engineering companies working on the LHC.

Re:Every night (2, Insightful)

OolimPhon (1120895) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795591)

I'd rather the EU was spending my tax euros on something... like a new generation of nuclear reactors

And don't you suppose the additional knowledge the LHC might provide would help us build better, more efficient reactors?

Re:Every night (5, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795601)

With an attitude like that, we'd still be using coal to heat our homes. Seriously, the money's already been spent, the staff is already on the payroll. The annual operating costs are a fraction of the construction costs. This being Slashdot, let's use a car analogy - you just bought a brand new Lexus for some serious, serious coin, but on the way home, you got a flat tire. Are you really not going to fix it in the interest of "saving money"?

Re:Every night (1)

Oidhche (1244906) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795683)

I'm still using coal to heat my home, you insensitive clod!

Re:Every night (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795855)

I got lung cancer from your coal use, you insensitive clod!

Re:Every night (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795977)

Greetings, fellow Berliner! :-)

(it's only the really cheap, really old buildings still heated by coal here)

Re:Every night (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795817)

Actually, a good businessman knows that money spent in the past is gone. There is nothing you can do about that. What happened in the past shouldn't dictate the decisions you are making right now.

If we discovered right now that continuing with the LHC would be fruitless, then we should stop the project and stop spending money on it, regardless of how much it has cost us in the past.

Of course this is not the case, and I agree that not performing research using the LHC would be extremely silly.

Re:Every night (1)

bwalling (195998) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795989)

Sunk costs are not useful in a financial decision. In your analogy, you still need a car to drive, so the cheapest way to achieve that goal is to repair the tire. It has nothing to do with how much you spent on the car.

Re:Every night (3, Interesting)

iamangry (1463943) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795889)

When Faraday was asked what his findings about induction could possibly be useful for, he replied "Of what use is a child?". The theoretical physics of today is the engineering of tomorrow. Also, it's not just your money, most of the world is contributing to this project, its just located at the old CERN site because its the biggest synchotron structure built to date. Stop being shortsighted.

Re:Every night (1)

hobbit (5915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796175)

I'd rather the EU was spending my tax euros on something of more immediate consequence - like a new generation of nuclear reactors, or advanced solar power plants

Perhaps you misunderstand the nature of research?

Just to clarify (4, Informative)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795529)

This seems to be a case of a poor article summary, rather than an actual year old story somehow making it onto /.

TFA actually mentions no years, just "this year" and "last year".

Re:Just to clarify (1)

paxswill (934322) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795589)

The Article may not have absolute years in the text, but it does have a published date. (Says Feb 9, 2009 for me).

Re:Just to clarify (1)

michelcolman (1208008) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795865)

So it can be re-posted here next year, ad the year after that, and...

Congratulations (1)

VEXmachina (1473581) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795619)

Congratulations on being the first person to achieve time travel through the Hadron Collider. However, I regreat to inform you that this is old news to us. Maybe another attempt at travelling through space and time is needed?

Delete this news? (1)

SebaSOFT (859957) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795673)

Whay can't a moderator just delete this outdated news? Is realy Slashdot that unreliable that this mistakes happen and are not moderated?

Re:Delete this news? (1)

MollyB (162595) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795953)

Moderation is for particular comments only. Mods can't kill an entire discussion, last I checked.
Something like you suggest would make the Wikipedia Wars look puny compared to the howls of indignation and protest on /..

In this case, whomever is wearing the "daddypants" is holding the bag, so to speak.

Re:Delete this news? (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796009)

because it's not outdated news..

Page last updated at 22:43 GMT, Monday, 9 February 2009

So what's new ? (1)

gaijinsr (685623) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795727)

I already posted this back in November [slashdot.org] but people called me a troll for it ...

I think the LHC will.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26795735)

be launched at Year of the Linux Desktop.

Am I the only one... (1)

pojo_rising (1050134) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795747)

...who read it as the Hardon Collider? Shudder.

Re:Am I the only one... (1)

BlahSnarto (45250) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795941)

First it was the date flub up but secondly i read it as Hard Charger.. :)

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2009 will be the year of the Large Hadron Desktop (1)

halfdan the black (638018) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795845)

err, I meant Collider

Post Slashdotted effects (1)

edsousa (1201831) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795869)

This was the story that was being bounced by those switches...

When a quote isn't a quote (4, Informative)

Lionfire (103856) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795885)

It would seem that SpuriousLogic didn't actually say that [slashdot.org] . Not only is there no mention of years in his/her summary, but there are other minor differences. Slashdot editors: putting those little quotation marks around something and attributing it to someone else is fine, just so long as you don't change it.

Re:When a quote isn't a quote (5, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795991)

The original submission:

SpuriousLogic writes
"The Large Hadron Collider could be switched back on in September a year after it shut down due to a malfunction and several months later than expected.
Scientists had said they expected the £3.6bn ($5.4bn) machine to be repaired by November, but then pushed the date back to June, before the latest delay."

So we can thank kdawson for fucking it up and attributing his/her errors to someone else.

Quick (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795915)

Someone fix the collider, it's taken out the space time continuum with it.

it already caused the stock market to fall (1)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796269)

Funny how when it when on, the stock market fell, maybe they downloaded the stock market list from the future, but didnt tell many people but the govt.

heehheheh

Sell Sell,, print more money, sell.....

Ooops.. (1)

BlahSnarto (45250) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795923)

Is anyone else keeping track of kdawson's fuckups?

Re:Ooops.. (1)

I cant believe its n (1103137) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796077)

No

CERN taken over by IT Directors? (1)

carvalhao (774969) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795965)

They must have, because according to the summary they have started managing the LHC like my Director does: "Your system will be fully operational last week, at the latest!"

Analysis from the Washington Post (4, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | more than 5 years ago | (#26795993)

Here: [washingtonpost.com]

'CERN* management today confirmed the restart schedule [translation: announced another delay] for the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) resulting from the recommendations from last week's Chamonix workshop. The new schedule foresees [not that you'd want to bet your life on it] first beams in the LHC at the end of September this year, with collisions following in late October. A short technical stop has also been foreseen over the Christmas period. The LHC will then run through to autumn next year, ensuring that the experiments have adequate data to carry out their first new physics analyses and have results to announce in 2010. The new schedule also permits the possible collisions of lead ions in 2010.

'This new schedule represents a delay of six weeks with respect to the previous schedule, which foresaw the LHC "cold [sic?????] at the beginning of July". The cause of this delay is due to several factors such as implementation of a new enhanced protection system for the busbar and magnet splices; installation of new pressure-relief valves to reduce the collateral damage in case of a repeat [explosion] incident; application of more stringent safety constraints [no more drinking contests in the tunnel]; and scheduling constraints associated with helium transfer [because the scientists can't resist making their voices sound funny] and storage.'

Launch?! (3, Funny)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796003)

I'm all for moving it to a less controversial, orbital location, but this feature creep is getting ridiculous.

Saving money (1)

bLanark (123342) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796041)

Well, I guess that despite the cost of these repairs, they will be saving money off their electricity bill [ieee.org] .

We all know what's really going on... (1)

LurkingOnSlashdot (1378465) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796047)

The LHC was activated successfully and they run it every night, replicating the conditions of the big bang. The big news they are not telling us is that when they open that rift in time and space, something calling itself "god" is in communication with them. The "oh, it doesn't work" story is just a cover.

(yes, I read Blasphemy by Douglas Preston)

Obviously (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796053)

it won't start up until 2010. Little-known fact: most particle physicists are Mayan.

One extra year... (2, Funny)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796141)

...for us to live until the earth is swallowed by a black hole that accidentally did not collapse.

I have stopped paying my life insurance already because in a year I may be dead but there will also be no-one left behind to pay out the policy.

Or to receive it for that matter.

I was working on it (1)

muckracer (1204794) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796153)

...honestly....but then they made a racket about needing to be licensed and now I can't fix the frigging tube. In fact, I am unemployed now! Damn socialists!

Joe (the Plumber)

Somebody's a little . . .lost! (1)

scld (995026) | more than 5 years ago | (#26796181)

I knew something bad would happen when I turned that big donkey wheel I found underneath the collider!

a status update (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26796189)

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

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