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Turning an iPod Touch Into an iPhone

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the at&t-not-best-pleased dept.

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David Burnett recommends an eWeek article on the leading contenders to make an iPhone out of an iPod Touch. Of course your newly phone-capable iTouch needs no activation and no binding carrier contract, just Wi-Fi. One of the companies working in this space, JaJah, is bundling the software with back-end services such as billing, so that carriers — or anyone really — can offer free-calling iTouch phones.

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175 comments

an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1, Insightful)

joeflies (529536) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804513)

in other words, a defective phone, only useful in areas where you trust the wifi connection.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (5, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804631)

in other words, a defective phone, only useful in areas where you trust the wifi connection.

Yeah, like the cordless phone you have sitting on the charger at home. Only it doesn't cost anything per month and doesn't necessarily need to be restricted to just working at home.

It sucks that it wouldn't help you much if you travel through time and space, but it's not exactly a lump of nothing, either.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804681)

Shut down by Apple lawsuit in 3...2...1...

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26804763)

Ha, perfect! We had a betting pool in the Apple lab on when this would make it to slashdot. We built a few here. It took longer than I thought, so I didn't win.

February 10, @01:54PM

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804839)

What's going to get shut down by Apple? VoIP on the iPhone and iPod touch? Didn't Apple already announce that they were going to allow VoIP apps in the iTMS so long as they only used VoIP on WiFi connections (not on the cell phone data network)?

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1, Insightful)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806839)

*cough*Skype*cough*

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806853)

...which probably won't stop the third-party developers making apps for Installer.app or Cydia.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (4, Insightful)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804943)

Shut down by Apple lawsuit in 3...2...1...

Lawsuit? There wont be any lawsuit... at least Apple wont be the one filing it. Apple has complete control of the iPod Touch through "The App Store". They simply wont allow these applications to be sold or downloaded.

What's that? Your going to find a way to put it on there without Apple's permission? A simple firmware upgrade will take care of that.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (3, Informative)

e4g4 (533831) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806179)

What's that? Your going to find a way to put it on there without Apple's permission? A simple firmware upgrade will take care of that.

Which is precisely why I've had a voip client on my iPhone that, in blatant disregard of Apple's Wifi only voip rules works on the cellular network, and has through the last several firmware updates...

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (2)

eltaco (1311561) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806539)

add a link and / or some instructions and earn some modpoints!

yes, it's just that simple! :)

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804745)

Well... it's a VOIP phone. Landline phones have other advantages (one major one: don't go out in a power outage).

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

nightglider28 (1243916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805713)

They do if you don't have a generator to power the base. Unless you have one of the much older phones that don't plug into an electrical outlet. (The only one I've ever seen is my mother's and she keeps it for this exact reason.)

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

RajivSLK (398494) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805767)

Really? You can buy them everywhere. I have one I picked up for $8 and keep it in case of a power outage.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806295)

My VOIP phone works just fine during a power outage. Of course, I had my UPS up and running well before I bought a VOIP plan ... but considering how cheap you can get them these days, there's really no excuse not to have one. The savings on my phone bill within the first six months were more than enough to pay for a low-end UPS.

A connection that's missing reliability. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26806467)

My VOIP phone works just fine during a power outage. Of course, I had my UPS up and running well before I bought a VOIP plan ... but considering how cheap you can get them these days, there's really no excuse not to have one. The savings on my phone bill within the first six months were more than enough to pay for a low-end UPS.

I'll have to interject here. When the Midwest was hit with a very large ice storm a couple weeks ago. Electricity got knocked out for weeks at a time. Even cable (TV and Internet) was down Cellular was either down or problematic. Landlines stayed up but occasionally some numbers couldn't be accessed. UPSs and generators only helped so much.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805083)

Yeah, like the cordless phone you have sitting on the charger at home.

Does it also cost $30.00 with two handsets and extra charging station?

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (3, Insightful)

pnevin (168332) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805125)

Does your home telephone play games and music?

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805383)

Funnily enough, yes :p

Although only simple games and crappy music.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (2, Insightful)

chimpo13 (471212) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805399)

Music for a phone keypad [sayyad.ca]

and another [storagereview.net]

it's full of them.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805437)

So you're saying it's NOT "just like" the cordless phone sitting on the charger at home after all?

I'm sorry, I'll try to keep up, can try not changing direction so often?

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806527)

So you're saying it's NOT "just like" the cordless phone sitting on the charger at home after all?

Yeah, it does more than your cordless phone.

I'm sorry, I'll try to keep up, can try not changing direction so often?

Would it help if we used words with fewer syllables?

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806093)

Does it also cost $30.00 with two handsets and extra charging station?

No, but it doesn't cost you ~$300 a year, either.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

hierophanta (1345511) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805405)

this is news?! the itouch get an app that is about a decade old? i've been using Truphone for about 4 years now, its free and can work with what ever network you want (Wifi, 3g). i used to live in england and could call the states for free using this software.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

joeflies (529536) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805629)

Yeah, like the cordless phone you have sitting on the charger at home.

Both the summary and the article claim that it makes an itouch into an iphone. A cordless phone at home is not an iphone. A highly inaccurate headline designed to garner clicks.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26805749)

well, and can't call 911.

Re:an iphone that's missing 3g and edge (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806843)

I really wish that this stupid two-year activation bit would quit already. First-gen iPhones (without the 3G) go for a song (relatively), unless you want it new. Additionally, they are probably the easiest phones to unlock EVER.

So here's how to turn your iPod Touch to an iPhone.
  • 1. Buy a cell plan with T-Mobile, and add smartphone provisioning with free HotSpots (so you can get "free" internet with your Charbucks Pike Place).
  • 2. Get a free phone and flip it.
  • 3. Buy a used "2G" iPhone for $300 or less.
  • 4. Unlock, configure and OWN.
  • 5. ...
  • 6. Profit!

No activation, no bullshit; just iPhone. If you still want access to your music library, get Simplify Media and enjoy. Works beautifully over EDGE, and crystal clear audio over WiFi or 3G.

You're welcome.

"Just needs wifi" (5, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804517)

Ya thats nice, but haven't you noticed that open/free wifi is starting to become more and more scarce? If you cant just whip it out at anytime and make a call, its rather limited in its usefulness.

It would be worse then it was when having a cell phone back in the old days when coverage was spotty at best and you were paying for that privilege.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26804555)

Oh I can just whip it out anywhere I feel like it.

I'll whip it good.

*ahem* Now its time to read TFA, to find out what the hell you're talking about.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (3, Interesting)

defenestr8 (1002010) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804715)

that's interesting, considering that 1) free wifi seems to be more and more prevalent where i live; and 2) no, it wouldn't really be "worse" since you wouldn't be paying for it. other than that, spot on.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804949)

Not here, its becoming less and less common every time i scan.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (1)

dirkdidit (550955) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805057)

I can confirm this in my area (Fargo, ND), too. It seems the average user has learned how to turn WPA on. On the flip-side, I've noticed more and more restaurants offering free wifi.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (2, Interesting)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805199)

Even paid wifi is becoming scarce here... with 3G being so prevalent and laptops being offered cheap/free with 3G dongles the use of wifi is dropping.. there's no money in running a hotspot any more. Both starbucks have shut down their Wifi and the only one left is Costa Coffee at £5/hour.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (2, Interesting)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806463)

Paid wifi is dying because they charge too damn much for it! I bought an unlocked $250 3G dongle because it would pay for itself on a two week trip.

The traditional telco model of paying off your infrastructure after 6 months of service and making pure profit until the end of days is why high speed internet is such a mess in the first place. These paid providers need to switch to a pricing model where they keep closer to a 30% margin over operating costs or they will become completely irrelevant.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (4, Funny)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804971)

They should do this with the Zune, because not only can you whip it out, you can squirt other people too!

Re:"Just needs wifi" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26804985)

You kidding me. You just need a laptop and airsnort and you could be prank calling from almost anywhere in the United States. Europe might work better cause the housing is denser.

Scarce wifi? Not really. (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805131)

Ya thats nice, but haven't you noticed that open/free wifi is starting to become more and more scarce? If you cant just whip it out at anytime and make a call, its rather limited in its usefulness....

Ah, not sure what you're finding as scarce, but the simple fact that you see a set of golden arches every 1/2 mile across the US, McWifi pretty much laid a good blanket across my area. Not to mention coffee shops, malls, gas stations, most major restaurants, they all seem to be offering it now.

Re:Scarce wifi? Not really. (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805249)

I thought mcdonalds had abandoned that project? Of the 3 in this town only 1 ever got it, and that never worked... it brought up a login page but the routing was fubar. They eventually gave up a few months back.

Re:Scarce wifi? Not really. (3, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805321)

Yeah right. Try finding a McDonalds between Harrisburg and circa Uniontown PA, along the Pennsylvania Turnpike (I-76). Out in the mountains it's hard to get just a "normal" cellphone signal, much less Wifi. I think some of ye who make comments like "a McDonalds every 1/2 mile" never leave further than 25 miles from the city. Try driving across North America sometime and you'll see LOTS and LOTS of open space, with, shocking, no technology. I named the PA Turnpike. There's also the wide-open stretch between Richmond and Charlotte. Or the isolated Interstate 81 corridor... which could be nicknamed Redneck Alley.

Off-topic:

How do I get my Iphone, Ilaptop, Iwhatever to receive Shoutcast radio while I'm driving in my car? I was thinking maybe I could cancel my satellite Sirius-XM and just go with "free" internet radio.

Re:Scarce wifi? Not really. (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805701)

That's why most of us live in the cities. It keeps us from bitching about not living in the cities.

Re:Scarce wifi? Not really. (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806365)

I named the PA Turnpike.

Cool. Are you also the guy who came up with "King of Prussia"?

Re:Scarce wifi? Not really. (3, Informative)

MaggieL (10193) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806855)

No, King of Prussia is named for the bar that the town grew up around. The bar was named for Fredrick the Great (aka "Frederick the Queer"), some say in the hope of attracting the business of Prussian mercenaries encamped at nearby Valley Forge.

The Turnpike comes though here too...

Re:Scarce wifi? Not really. (1)

Wiseleo (15092) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806385)

Well, I listen to http://di.fm/ [di.fm] premium stream on my Windows Mobile phone while driving. It's as simple as going to www.di.fm and selecting mp3, wma, or aac. If you are a premium subscriber, you can login and get your premium options. The thing plays using Windows Media player.

I would expect syncing up a PLS file from Shoutcast would enable similar functionality on the Apple platform.

I can also listen to SiriusXM on my phone. :)

Re:Scarce wifi? Not really. (1)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806641)

Most people live fairly close to major cities. The majority of the US population lives within commuting distance of a major populate centre. Isolated rural areas are common, but they don't contain a lot of people.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (4, Insightful)

vitaflo (20507) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805171)

Really depends on what your definition of "limited". Of course you're not going to be able to use it everywhere, but if you want that, that's what cell phones are for.

Not everyone wants (or needs) to be available to take a call all the time. The main times I want to be around a phone is at work (where there's wifi) and at home (where they're also wifi). Anywhere else that happens to have free wifi (like my local coffee shop) is a bonus. For me this would allow me to use the phone 90% of the time where I am normally. That would be enough for me and I wouldn't find it limiting at all.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806599)

You're confusing "limited" and "acceptable". Limited is true about this mod. Heck, it's true about any communication device: It's limited to functioning when it has a valid connection. "Limited" varies device by device. "Acceptable" varies person to person.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (1)

spydabyte (1032538) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805421)

What about free wireless provided by AT&T at all of their "hot-spot" corporations including Starbucks. I wouldn't consider that scarce in metro areas.

Hell, sign up a contract with McDonalds or Wal-Mart and even rural America can chat.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805483)

I'm an iPod Touch user who finds it very frustrating how often I try to use features like e-mail and the news apps... but can't because I'm so often offline. Trying to use it as a phone would be even more annoying. Looking for a place with free wifi would be a lot like the bad old days of trying to find a pay phone whenever you wanted to call someone. And forget about incoming calls.

Good enough. (2, Interesting)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806201)

It wouldn't be as convenient as a an iPhone, but it would me much more convenient than finding a pay phone (remember those?) and much cheaper than the convenience of a cell phone.

It wouldn't be worse than an "old days" cellphone with limited coverage because you wouldn't be paying for the (false) perception of convenience. You could, conceivably, get the same shitty service for free.

Re:"Just needs wifi" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26806519)

I am on a college campus. Free Wifi is everywhere.

Well... I guess it's not really "free". It's part of tuition in any case.

Add WiMax or cell-wifi bridge (3, Insightful)

weston (16146) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804677)

I'll give 'em credit for following the idea of using a WiFi mobile device with VoIP, but that's really not particularly revolutionary. What's needed next is WiMax or a small portable cell-WiFi bridge. If the bandwidth's high enough (EVDO rev a is almost there), then you have affordable unlimited talk and data...

Re:Add WiMax or cell-wifi bridge (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805105)

We have them available in aus, a wireless router with a 3g (using telstras NextG) modem built in, just add power and you have your own portable hot-spot anywhere*.

*being limited by telstras NextG network of course, which, without a good aerial on the sucker, will be rather limiting.

Re:Add WiMax or cell-wifi bridge (2, Informative)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806119)

They have them for any ISP. Linksys WRT54G3G will work with almost any PCMCIA based 3g modem (works with all providers in AU, theyupdate often).

There's ones by netcomm that work with any USB 3g dongle as well.

Re:Add WiMax or cell-wifi bridge (1)

ACMENEWSLLC (940904) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805259)

>...but that's really not particularly revolutionary

You're right. I've been running Skype on my Windows Mobile phone for years.

But it sucks. Jitter, low battery life, poor quality, problems with WIFI on the mobile requiring a reboot, limited range.

Now mind you, I love Skype. It works great on my PC and Macbook. Just not on my mobile device. And from the reviews I've seen of other Skype WIFI phones, I wouldn't be much better off on those.

What would be revolutionary is if they could offer VoIP on the Touch and make it a nice experience.

Something is missing... (4, Insightful)

mouse_8b (854310) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804687)

I looked all over my iPod Touch and didn't see a speaker or microphone. No bluetooth either (well, sort of). So you can make a call, but you can't talk to anyone? Am I missing something?

Re:Something is missing... (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804769)

Um. No speaker? How do you listen to your iPod music?

Re:Something is missing... (1)

Ascagnel (826800) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805189)

There is a small speaker, but music doesn't play through it. iPods are designed for you to use them with a pair of headphones are earbuds, and only the use the speaker sparingly (typically as a clicker if there are no headphones attached).

That said, my 1st gen. iPod Touch doesn't have bluetooth or a mic input, so what's the point of it? Or is this limited to 2nd gen. iTouches?

Re:Something is missing... (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806403)

Right, so it has earphones. That was what I was getting at. :) Saying it's useless as a phone because it doesn't have a speaker is kinda silly - who walks around talking on their phone on speakerphone all the time?

Re:Something is missing... (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804783)

I'm wondering the same.

Re:Something is missing... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26804801)

The 2nd gen touch has a mic

Re:Something is missing... (5, Informative)

jollespm (641870) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805015)

I think you have that backwards. The 2nd gen Touch has a speaker, but no mic. You can buy the "Apple In-Ear Headphones with Remote and Mic" and you then have a mic.

Re:Something is missing... (1)

NuGeo (824600) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805139)

Mod parent informative. AC is wrong. The second generation iPod Touch DOES NOT have a built-in microphone, but it does have a built-in speaker. I can personally vouch for that.

Re:Something is missing... (1)

kaizokuace (1082079) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805579)

what about first gen ipod? if all you need is a headset then why doesn't it work on the first gen? Is the first gen jack not capable of using that type of plug?

Re:Something is missing... (1)

Reddragon220 (890851) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805977)

While the 2nd gen ipod touch doesn't have a built in microphone, a clever engineer could use the built in speaker since the two things are physically similar.

However, mics are usually smaller to allow decent high frequency response. Try plugging in a pair of headphones into your computer mic jack and speaking into them - you might be surprised.

Re:Something is missing... (1)

horza (87255) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805923)

Even better, install a voice to text app off iTunes (Synthesised Mobile Speech). That way you can have the benefit of cheap VoIP calls but it's also usable in noisy situations. There is also a lower latency but proprietary version called Mobile Sythesised Networking which is quite popular.

Alternatively you could just buy a Nokia E71 and install Fring on it.

Phillip.

Re:Something is missing... (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804819)

Maybe a combination of jailbreaking the iPod and some doohickey that plugs into the port on the bottom of it?

Re:Something is missing... (1)

corerunner (971136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804869)

apparently now we can consider anything with a wifi adapter a "cell phone"

using iPhone without a carrier?has the pieces then (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804929)

Not the same as unlocking, which connecting to an alternative carrier.

I forgot whether you can walk out of the store without an ATT contract these days.

Re:Something is missing... (2, Informative)

EvilIdler (21087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805013)

The second generation of iPod touch has the option to plug in a headset with a microphone, and it also has a speaker. Who cares about the old thing you still lug around? :P

Re:Something is missing... (2, Interesting)

mbaer (1099749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805025)

True. I have a first generation iPod Touch and it hasn't got a mic. However, people have managed to get an external mic working with it, just google for touchmod, these guys have done awesome stuff! They also have made a VOIP client for the Touch, quite some time ago.

Re:Something is missing... (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805093)

I had assumed that they at least supported the iPhone headphones that have an inline mic. That wouldn't be ideal, but it would get the job done.

If this usage picks up, I would really hope that Apple would put enough bluetooth support to support headsets.

Open high speed wireless networks (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804767)

This is why I really hope we get some actually *open* wireless Internet built as a result of the analog TV spectrum being reallocated. I was very disappointed that the government didn't adopt the openness rules recommended by Google in the auction.

Imagine how great it would be to not be beholden to cell carriers, but to be able to buy any kind of Internet device you want, and use it as a phone if you want. It would open up competition between hardware manufacturers and service providers. Competition is good.

interesting concept but (1, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804779)

The new ipod touch has bluetooth and apparently line in capability, so this is feasible. But is this going to back a hacked solution, or is the application going to be on the App store. Since it will not work over the cell network, I can see that it might be.

Even so it this a reasonable solution. The iPod touch is a $200 gadget. One has to assume that some use outside of the spec are going to be used. For instance, if Apple is not saying it can support a microphone, then one assumes that feature cannot be tested, and the iPod touch cannot be returned on that basis if it does not work. I can see this as a cool tech thing, and might do it, but would not depend on it to work, for instance as a primary home phone through comcast, and certainly would not build a business around it.

This is where I get a bit annoyed with style over substance. I use apple products because the generally perform for me, and I buy what I need and can afford. If I could not afford an iPhone, I would not get a touch and pretend it was an iPhone just to be cool. If the iPhone did not work in my locale, I wouldn't be one of those trying to figure out how to make it work. I would just buy something else.

Re:interesting concept but (4, Insightful)

nuttycom (1016165) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804977)

There's one application where VOIP is significantly preferable to the standard cellular network: international calling. I can use a VOIP app to talk to my cousins in Australia for free; being able to walk around my house or sit at the local coffeeshop while doing so would be nice.

This isn't about style; it's about adding functionality to a nice little piece of hardware. My cell phone's practically an antique at this point, but I have no need to upgrade it because I don't talk on the phone much. My iPod is a great PDA; adding VOIP capability would just be icing on the cake.

Re:interesting concept but (2, Informative)

Sechr Nibw (1278786) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805077)

The new iPod Touch has bluetooth? Since when? Not according to the Apple Store: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_touch?mco=MTIxMTE [apple.com] AFAIK, the new features were a physical volume control, microphone, speaker, and new case design.

Re:interesting concept but (2, Insightful)

EkriirkE (1075937) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805541)

Yes, since 2G. Right now its limited for use with the Nike thingy. The chip is there, and it is in use on the BT frequency, but until its jailbroken we won't know for certain if it uses the BT stack, or can be altered to do so by patch.

Watch Apple crush this (4, Informative)

Goodgerster (904325) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804863)

"What? It competes with our own services!? Delete it from the Store! Then bring me the developers' ashes on a plate with a glass of red wine..."

Re:Watch Apple crush this (1)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806129)

Apple is a mobile service provider now? Who did they buy, or did they just start putting up towers without FCC approval?

Re:Watch Apple crush this (1)

djp928 (516044) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806417)

They might as well be, as they're completely in bed with AT&T on the iPhone contract deal. Why sell one iTouch once, when you can sell an iPhone once, then also collect monthly kick-backs from AT&T on the contract?

As a 2gen itouch owner... (4, Interesting)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804887)

I love the itouch for being all the good parts of the iphone minus the badparts (the crappy phone quality coupled with a crappy network and contract, [never met any serious phone users who praise the iphone's phone quality, uptime, and availability]). Why turn a really cool internet appliance into a kludge-phone?

I love my ipod touch for cooking, I bring up the browser, look at a recipe, and its right there next to the stove. I love my ipod touch for games when i'm bored on the go. I love my ipod touch for movies on the go. I love my ipod touch for being 99.95% as useful as an iphone near a free wifi hotspot.

I also love that it can do all of the above without drawing one nano-watt from my real phone's battery.

PS. the ipod touch does not have a built in microphone or ear speaker, why kludge a microphone attachment onto a beautiful internet appliance/ebook reader/gaming device/portable movie device?

Re:As a 2gen itouch owner... (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805045)

Have fun when your frying pan spits grease onto your touch screen... ;)

Re:As a 2gen itouch owner... (1)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805061)

screen covers, its nigh impossible to get an itouch without a touch screen, the raw glass is really high friction, doesn't slide well at all.

Re:As a 2gen itouch owner... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26805145)

never met any serious phone users who praise [...]

As a lowly member of the riffraff who is not a "serious phone user", I am humbly requesting a list of these "serious phone users" and what, exactly, makes them "serious" phone users. Also, if I may be so bold, I also request, in this same list, their home addresses so I may make as much an attempt as is feasible to stay far, far away from them. Thank you.

Re:As a 2gen itouch owner... (1)

californication (1145791) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806059)

I've been happy with my iPhone, despite it being a juice guzzler. I think that's mainly because I spend most of my time either at home or at work and thus can plug it in and not have it use the battery. When I'm on the go, I have an iPhone compatible stereo which also charges the phone. When I'm home, I can run the phone off the battery for quite a while doing stuff like browsing from the couch or even using remote desktop on my PC.

One of the best things about the iPhone is Pandora radio. Combined with 3G, I have the best listening experience anywhere I want, including in my car over my car stereo where I may go. I listen to Pandora more than I do my music library or OTA radio.

I also love being able to comparison shop while I'm physically in the store, add appointments or contacts and have them immediately sync with google (nuevasync) and use google maps or other location based internet apps wherever I am. Basically, I have access to the internet wherever I am. I think it would be weird to go back to only having internet when near a wifi spot; it'd be like getting rid of my cell phone and going back to having a landline.

Lastly, I only have to carry around one device. I don't have to pile my phone, iPod and laptop around with me; I just slip my iPhone in my pocket. That's a huge plus for me.

As for AT&T, I actually get better reception at home and at work, while with Verizon I would often get dropped calls at home. I also haven't had any complaints about their coverage, but I only travel around Southern California for the most part. 3G speeds are frequently in the 700 - 900 Kbps, with 1.4 Mbps in the best case and 200 Kbps in the worst.

The $30 data plan is a negative, but I can afford it and I enjoy the usefulness it brings me so it's not terrible.

For some people, the iPod Touch is perfect because its battery charge lasts longer and it doesn't require a monthly fee. For others, the iPhone is a better fit because it provides internet access wherever they go and reduces the number of devices they have to carry.

Re:As a 2gen itouch owner... (1)

slazzy (864185) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806573)

Wish they would include GPS hardware in the ipod touch, that would be a deal-maker for me. Sure I couldn't use google maps away from wifi networks, but I'd be happy to purchase a garmin style simple map software to store on the flash memory.

Only with Apple's say-so (0, Flamebait)

mattbee (17533) | more than 5 years ago | (#26804923)

If anyone has even the slightest bit of success with this kind of hacking, count on Apple's next firmware update "upgrading" the device. Then only wi-fi carriers or phone applications that they approve will work, and third parties that don't pay them for the privilege will be out in the cold again.

Fuck the iphone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26804955)

App£e sucks.

3 easy steps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26805043)

1. Glue iPhone to iPod
2. ?????
3. Profit !

Mic? (2, Funny)

ahoehn (301327) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805049)

I was fairly confused, even after i RTFA, about how you talk into an ipod touch, since they don't come with either a microphone or bluetooth.

Google helped me find this Lifehacker Article [lifehacker.com] that is way the hell more useful than the linked one. Basically you have to buy some sort of external mic that clips onto your touch, then use your headphones to listen to the call. To me, this awkwardness seems like sort of a deal breaker for the practically of an iPod TouchPhone.

If there were a way to hack a bluetooth module in there, it could be a whole different deal. You could talk using a handsfree bluetooth device, and in a brilliant circlejerk of redundancy, even tether your internet connection to a traditional cellphone with a data plan.

Re:Mic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26805699)

How about using an iPhone headset with built in Mic?

There are already VoIP applications available for the Touch that use this. Look for Truphone [apple.com] in your iTunes Music Store.

Link provided should also serve to dissuade those insisting that Apple will refuse to accept the software in the App Store. They are allowing it already.

Re:Mic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26806101)

If you pulled this off, you would have a Palm Life Drive and it would be 4 years old and discontinued. Oh, sorry we were talking Apple weren't we?

Re:Mic? (1)

jayloden (806185) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806503)

I have an iPod touch, and it works just fine with the apple headphones [apple.com] that include a mic. I didn't want to shell out for another pair of headphones, so I use the ones that came free with my Blackberry (also includes a mic) and that works fine too. I believe the earlier generation iPod touch required an external mic attached to the dock connector but the current models can use any headphone/mic in a standard size jack.

Re:Mic? (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806835)

> If there were a way to hack a bluetooth module in there, it could be a whole different deal. You
> could talk using a handsfree bluetooth device, and in a brilliant circlejerk of redundancy, even
> tether your internet connection to a traditional cellphone with a data plan.

That wouldn't be a circlejerk it would be useful. Look at Nokia's Internet Tablet line, the same WiFi+BT combo.

Advantages:

1. You get to keep a cell phone, i.e. you don't have a *%^$ing PDA stuck to your ear.

2. You can lose the PDA if you don't need it and just carry a small phone.

3. You can use the PDA while you are on the phone.

4. You can change the PDA without being tied to the cell carrier's contract, available products, etc.

Disadvantages:

1. You usually carry two gadgets, two chargers, etc.

Apple earphones come with microphone (1)

netzkobold (986994) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805087)

There is no hacking or jailbreaking needed, just get one of Apple's very own headsets with a microphone included - http://jajahurl.com/b6g4 [jajahurl.com] - install the app and enjoy free or low-cost international calls without a two-year contract nor an international calling plan, your landline at home can't do that!

Re:Apple earphones come with microphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26805373)

you can also skype/yahoo-IM-talk/... when you install Fring or Nimbuzz

What about inbound? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26805549)

Am I missing something? Without the ability to keep the application open in the background (not supported by Apple), how can you receive calls?

Unless the VOIP provider is going to require you to jailbreak your iTouch (which will severely limit the market), you'll be able to make outbound calls but not take random inbound calls. Very useful :-)

Re:What about inbound? (1)

jabithew (1340853) | more than 5 years ago | (#26805717)

...you'll be able to make outbound calls but not take random inbound calls.

Sounds like my kind of phone.

Bah! N810 - Cheaper. Better. Free-er! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26805873)

Sheesh.

The Nokia N810 does SIP and Sykpe (and Flash) out of the box, plus allows you to do Bluetooth Phone-as-modem to your cellphone so you can do it on your cellular carrier's network.

The browser is Mozilla. You can install Debian on it, if that spins your wheels. You can REPLACE THE FRIGGING BATTERY ANY TIME YOU FEEL LIKE IT!

Oh, and it has a keyboard. And you can cut-and-paste, at no additional charge! That's right, fanbois - nothing else to buy to get cut and paste!

$223 @ CDW $223 @ CDW [cdw.com] .

Why not just buy a Nokia E71? (1)

horza (87255) | more than 5 years ago | (#26806041)

I have a Nokia E71 with Fring on there. It connects to Skype, any SIP provider (in my case FreeWorldDialup), I have a virtual number forwarded to my SIP account so I can be called from a normal phone and the caller pays local rates to my mobile no matter where I am in the world, and it logs me onto my MSN and ICQ accounts. The only thing it lacks is IRC!

Fantastic. And it's so small and light it makes the iPhone feel like a brick. The only reason I didn't and never will buy an iPhone is the proprietary lock-down, and now I am so glad Apple forced me to look elsewhere. I find the E71 so much better. Give it a year when I am out of contract again, and a next-gen E71 running Mobile Ubuntu (and with better camera), and I'll be in heaven.

Phillip.

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