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UPS, Generators Join Servers For Boxed Data Centers

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the one-stop-shopping dept.

The Internet 63

miller60 writes "As more companies look into using a 'data center in a box,' you can now get your UPS and generator in a box as well. HP and Sun have begun offering containerized power and cooling infrastructure along with their data center containers, offering an expansion path for facility owners that have run out of power and cooling capacity. Microsoft also plans to use containerized power and cooling in its next-generation facilities, allowing it to build them with no roofs (remember its tent data centers?)."

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Obligatory (3, Funny)

Van Cutter Romney (973766) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818097)

UPS and generator in a box

Now, what can brown do for you?

Re:Obligatory (4, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818123)

It can probably deliver the aforementioned UPS and generator in a box. :)

Re:Obligatory (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26819569)

Wow, UPS can deliver UPS in a box? Talk about recursion. /mind-explodes

Re:Obligatory (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818441)

Brown.... box....

If you see a box on fire, don't step on it!

Re:Obligatory (0, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818767)

Seriously, are you a corporate shill, or are you just repeating advertising campaigns that you saw on TV? I live abroad, which means I'm totally ignorant of what's on these days (but I'm not one of those "I don't own a TV" douchebags), so it's always blatantly obvious when someone begins parroting an advertising slogan. Is it the height of wit these days to repeat ad slogans? Because frankly, I really don't know.

Re:Obligatory (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26820823)

You're just mad you didn't think of it first.

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26819039)

UPS and generator in a box

Now, what can brown do for you?

This reminds of an employee brainwashing campaign they had while worked there, called the "Golden Thread". I always thought it tied in nicely with the "What can brown do for you?" campaign.

Re:Obligatory (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 5 years ago | (#26819193)

Now, what can brown do for you?

Flush on the first try?

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26819257)

If you really think about it, I'll think you'll find that this post was far from 'obligatory'. In fact, MOST things labeled 'Obligatory' are actually lame and entirely NOT needed to advance a discussion. It's just funny how they are always called 'Obligatory', as if you're providing some service or filling some innate universal need that nobody but you can sate.

I think your so-far negligible moderation bonuses show just how useless your hackneyed contribution really was.

Re:Obligatory (1)

toiletbowl (1344587) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828367)

Eh... does that make you the "Obligatory" Troll?

MS data center (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26818165)

No roof but the design is undeniably flawed due to excess Windows.

Thanks, I'm here all week.

Re:MS data center (1)

jeffshoaf (611794) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818413)

Thanks, I'm here all weak.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:MS data center (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#26822431)

So maybe there really is something to the accusations [slashdot.org] of MS squandering cash for R&D... why else would they be running production servers in tents.

The economy isn't that bad, is it?

There are ... (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818167)

... more and more things that you can get (NSFW) in a box [youtube.com] all the time.

Re:There are ... (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 5 years ago | (#26823185)

approperiate for valentine's day...

Nothing New (5, Informative)

madsci1016 (1111233) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818205)

Generators and climate control built into containers is not a new idea at all. Traveling carnivals have used generators in containers for decades. The same for air conditioning for outdoor boat shows. The fact that Sun is just offering the option to go with boxed data centers when costumers could have easily just contracted out to a generator company instead isn't news.

Re:Nothing New (3, Funny)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818349)

Yes, I've always seen a lot of parallels between IT and traveling carnivals. They both share an ability to provide steady employment for anti-social freaks.

Re:Nothing New (2, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818573)

Not to mention working for peanuts.

Re:Nothing New (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818997)

Computer science/engineering graduates have average starting salaries far in excess of median household incomes in the US. I wouldn't call that peanuts, especially for starting salaries.

Re:Nothing New (1)

77Punker (673758) | more than 5 years ago | (#26819075)

Maybe he's talking about being a sysadmin. In that case, I'll draw another comparison to the circus and call them trained monkeys.

Re:Nothing New (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26820551)

IT:

Pay is low for the work done and education required.
Rarely get overtime pay.
Often expected to be on call 24/7.
"IT" covers anything that runs on electricity, so you'll be troubleshooting the damned microwave and someone's cell phone.
Lack of a union.

Re:Nothing New (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 5 years ago | (#26823271)

it's because in most places IT is "non unit producing". Sales also works crappy hours but they get special bonuses and comp time... IT is expected to work the same hours but not get the perks. But we're paid "well". Also, most IT people are promoted "above" their education status because they can do the work, so HR doesn't see them as "qualifying" for their wages.

Re:Nothing New (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26819237)

Well that explains the number of FPS maps involving containers. Apparently I was just running amok in a datacenter / carnival generator storage facility. Who knew?

This Apparent Future (3, Funny)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818233)

It seems the future is flexible, expandable, customizable. The future is moving to interchangeable, physical modules of enterprise. The Future is the most awesome LEGO blocks project ever!

Re:This Apparent Future (4, Funny)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818327)

No way, these are way bigger... like Duplos

Re:This Apparent Future (1)

coyote4til7 (189857) | more than 5 years ago | (#26823063)

A-Rod's Duplos...

Re:This Apparent Future (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818629)

It seems the future is flexible, expandable, customizable. The future is moving to interchangeable, physical modules of enterprise.

Yes, in the future, entrepreneurs won't simply be able to build a business model on plugging box A into plug B, marking-up the result 10%, and calling it a 'product,' or doing it once a week, marking up the labor 50% and calling it "consulting." The business concerns of the future will be free of this and limited only by the quality of their ideas.

We're doomed.

Re:This Apparent Future (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 5 years ago | (#26823323)

the quality of the idea is that 50% markup. That's because YOU don't have contacts to hire the same people and get the same output.
Also, a large part of consulting is "experts". They have a contract to buy 100 generators a year... they know who to call, and how much to spend in minutes, not days unlike you. A consulting firm can pool resources to keep a few highly trained professionals that know their stuff and they get experience beyond what your company would have servicing many businesses.

Re:This Apparent Future (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 5 years ago | (#26823543)

I'd say "whoosh," but you'd accuse me of throwing a ball at your head.

Beats my idea (1)

Jonboy X (319895) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818291)

That beats my idea of a data center in a brown paper sack.

Re:Beats my idea (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818789)

That beats my idea of a data center in a brown paper sack.

Of course if you cool the sack improperly it will result in fire. The person stomping out your data center will find the sack at that point filled with shit that used to be your data center.

Generators should go nuclear (1)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818311)

How long will it be before these containers use a self contained nuclear fusion based generator?

Re:Generators should go nuclear (1)

GenP (686381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818395)

A while after we get nuclear fusion figured out?

Re:Generators should go nuclear (1)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818447)

What is there to figure out? France is kicking our butt with Nuclear power right now.

Re:Generators should go nuclear (1)

Score Whore (32328) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818529)

What is there to figure out?

Hmm. I dunno. How about.... fusion?

Re:Generators should go nuclear (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818653)

The only way France is getting power from nuclear fusion is by sitting out solar panels and collecting it from the sun. You're thinking of nuclear fission. Small difference.

Re:Generators should go nuclear (1)

niw (996534) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818689)

What is there to figure out?

Figuring out fusion [wikipedia.org] itself would be a good start.

What you are thinking of is fission [wikipedia.org] , that we have down good.

Re:Generators should go nuclear (1)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818999)

Duh! I meant fission.

Re:Generators should go nuclear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26819587)

Then why did you reply to the parent when he was talking about fusion?

Re:Generators should go nuclear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26819105)

How long will it be before these containers use a self contained nuclear fusion based generator?

I think he meant portable [digitaljournal.com] nuclear fission [wikipedia.org] generators.

Of course (-1, Troll)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818341)

> Microsoft also plans to use...

This is slashdot, one of the many online marketing arms...er...tentacles, of Microsoft, where the daily quota of mentioning the beast is met come hell or high water. Let me help...Microsoft announced today that their company, like Enron, seeks to use only the most modern and aggressive means of transporting... Today, Frito Lay announced a new flavor of chip, inspired by Microsoft's newest R & D Center recently opened in (insert city). What was once the bane of archeologists in Eygpt and the favorite testing material for Caterpillar Corp. has now become a favorite building material of Microsoft. Redmond recently announced that sand will become the new floor material in all corporate offices.

Keep up the good work slashdot...have fun cashing those MS checks.

Re:Of course (0, Troll)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#26819945)

Nice to see the MS trolls once again wasting mod points....mission accomplished!

Notice the six articles out of the total thirty gracing the home page on /. are, in some way or another, about MS. That makes it at least two shy of the quota MS pays the admins to maintain. We're certain this is an oversight that will be corrected momentarily. All hail ./...an MS paid outlet since 2003.

Containerized! (1)

jjeffries (17675) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818357)

This is exactly the second time I've seen the word "containerized" used in print.

The first time was when I moved into an apartment in a new town some years ago, and when I got the trash pick-up set up they gave me a piece of paper with trash and recycling info on it, which included the lovely sentence "all garbage must be containerized."

WELL DONE!

Re:Containerized! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26818545)

howto - data center in a box (1)

NonUniqueNickname (1459477) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818385)

Step one. Cut a hole in the box.
Step two. Put your data center in the box.
Step three. Get her to open the box.

Re:howto - data center in a box (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818501)

I can't decide if you're going for "date a center in a box" or "date a sent her in a box" or "data sent her in a box" or what. :)

Re:howto - data center in a box (1)

deraj123 (1225722) | more than 5 years ago | (#26819501)

Try this [youtube.com] . Then you'll get it.

PC UPS/PS (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818427)

I'm still waiting for the PC power supply with a built in battery backup...

Think: AC -> PS -> DC -> Battery -> Motherboard or something along those lines.

That may be small potatoes to this story though...

Re:PC UPS/PS (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818599)

It's called a laptop.

Re:PC UPS/PS (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818855)

Yeah, I don't know why that sort of setup hasn't been adapted for PCs yet. You are still stuck buying an external UPS with an inverter and all that loss.

Re:PC UPS/PS (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#26822503)

Which is no good for production servers. Although the fold-up screen and built-in keyboard may be useful for software emergencies, popping a laptop open to swap out a dead FRU is a bitch, and you require some sort of PCMCIA SAS card to attach to an external chassis w/ external RAID controller to have any ability to use multiple hard drives for redundancy.

Re:PC UPS/PS (1)

um_atrain (810963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818867)

Not worth it. They would be too big to fit inside standard cases, you wouldn't be able to power accessories (eg: external harddrive, other stuff that shouldn't be turned off)

Also, UPSs are pretty efficient, there isn't too much extra loss converting to AC and back. There is no need for this.

Re:PC UPS/PS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26819887)

I just figured you could remove one stage of the system by removing the inverter.  The battery could sit outside for all that it matters.  Just use the spot where the old "monitor/out" power used to reside for a battery plug of some type.  This way you could chain as many batteries as needed or connect it to a bigger DC power grid for other backup purposes.  To alter to my previous "illustration":

AC -------> Power -> DC:PC
DC:Batt <-> Supply

Then you could plug in a DC line to the back of the PC from anywhere and run either DC or AC.  Determining if it's a battery or a feed shouldn't be too hard, should it?

Re:PC UPS/PS (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#26822709)

There are cases where you have no external hardware of importance (e.g. servers). Energy is at a premium, space is not.

A UPS may be pretty efficient, but there is still a huge amount of loss that occurs converting AC to DC and back to AC and back to DC again, VS one conversion to DC.

Even if it's just a 20% loss, it certainly adds up for equipment that has high runtimes.

Also, UPS efficiency is not something that stays high constantly.

On most UPSes, the efficiency will be extremely poor at low loads, for example, if the PC is in "sleep mode", the load on the UPS may drop to 10%, and the efficiency of the UPS may be 30% instead of 80%.

A management controller on the mainboard could manage a built-in power supp better, by cutting to battery when the charge is above 80% and the system is in sleep mode or standby, and automatically making the transition from sleep to hibernate/standby, after sufficient idle period.

The system can then be performing AC/DC conversion only when there is substantial demand for the juice, saving energy.

Energy is wasted keeping the battery of a UPS charged anyways (wasted since the battery is only used on the rare occasion of a power loss), it makes sense to put it to good use.

Re:PC UPS/PS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26818901)

My old Dell PowerEdge 2600 already has this. Two of them, actually. It's still no replacement for the giant APC sitting behind it.

Re:PC UPS/PS (1)

Beorytis (1014777) | more than 5 years ago | (#26819053)

My PC already has this... Only problem is the battery is only big enough to run the clock.

don't forget the chillers (1)

alxkit (941262) | more than 5 years ago | (#26818451)

something something DARK SIDE. something something COMPLETE.

Portable generators? New? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26818925)

How exactly is the concept of a portable, modular power generator anything new? The construction industry relies on widespread use of portable generators [cat.com] for decades. Is this considered innovative just because the power outlet is connected to a computer?

Re:Portable generators? New? (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | more than 5 years ago | (#26819957)

We actually had Active Power in our office the other day touting this solution. It isn't bad unless you have over about 400kW of load.

This is significantly different than a containerized generator in that it is intended to be integrated completely in the factory, so you just bring in unconditioned power to the box and it sends out conditioned power.

However, if you have a big system, it isn't exactly modular (yes, you can go up to 1.2MW, but you have to put the generator externally).

There was an article in IEEE Spectrum about a 200MW containerized data center that similarly missed the mark: People aren't using containers the way they need to in order to make it a truly effective solution. PUE's are still way to low compared to what is possible, and as far as I can tell, nobody has really solved the management issues properly.

At the rate sun is going... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821471)

This is probably just in time, by the end of the year Sun will probably be able to run all of their operations off of a pair (fully redundant!) of cargo containers with servers, ups and generators. Woot!

Trane Packaged Units (1)

Migraineman (632203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821909)

Trane manufactures packaged units. [trane.com] The "HVAC system in a box" unit has existed for decades. In fact, I have one on my house (best money I ever spent ... got that noisy blower outside.) Granted, it's not in a sea-freight container, but it's about the same overhead to connect to your server-cluster-in-a-box. What's next? Cubicle in a box?
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