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MS To Offer Free Windows 7 Upgrade To Vista Users

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the you-get-what-you-pay-for dept.

Microsoft 417

crazyeyes writes "With Windows 7 set for release in Dec. 09, Microsoft is getting ready with their free upgrade program, which allows Vista users to switch to Windows 7 when it arrives. The folks at TechARP have consistently scored accurate scoops on Microsoft software releases. They have now revealed Microsoft's upgrade plans, schedules and even screenshots of the upgrade process."

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Somewhere in Redmond... (5, Funny)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26820925)

Underling: Sir, here's the latest report on Vista Ultimate sales... it's pretty dismal.
Ballmer: Hmmm...I see. Alright, here's the plan: Revise the current Windows 7 Upgrade Program to allow OEMs to upgrade to Windows 7 from Vista Ultimate - for FREE! And leak this to the tech community right away!!
Underling: Uh...sir, pardon me saying so, but won't that appear as an obvious ploy to sell more of our most overrated - and least worthwhile - product?
Ballmer: Yes...you may be right. Those basement dwellers can be pretty sharp...hmmm...I know! Add that free option for Vista Home Premium and Vista Business! We should make up, in additional sales of those, what "loss" we incur with the free upgrades. We should be able to minimize that by frightening the OEMs with scary "Program Compliance" requirements. We can also limit large business deployments by restricting the number of upgrades per mailing address. Finally, send a memo to the developers: Remove all the previously most-desired-by-the-tech-community features planned for Windows 7 Home Premium and Windows 7 Professional, so that these features ONLY exist in Windows 7 Ultimate...
Underling: Right away, sir!
...
(Ballmer throws a chair at the back of exiting Underling)
Underling: Ou--I mean, thank you, sir! May I have another?
Ballmer: You'll go far here, son...

Re:Somewhere in Redmond... (1, Offtopic)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821247)

That's a pretty amusing first post you've got there but the signature alone says that you deserve a +5 funny ;) I only wish I had mod points :P

Re:Somewhere in Redmond... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821567)

Please don't make him talk about his fucking signature. There is nothing more pathetic than someone deconstructing they're own cleverness.

Re:Somewhere in Redmond... (-1, Offtopic)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821607)

Signatures are bullshit to begin with. We already know your username, you don't have to put your stamp on every post of yours. You are not special.

Re:Somewhere in Redmond... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821737)

Actually, they're (sic) is one thing more pathetic...

In other news (0, Troll)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821749)

/. finds they can maintain their daily MS content quota with this 'story'... cha-ching for taco

Fool me once, shame on you (5, Funny)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 5 years ago | (#26820955)

Fool me 12 times, shame on me

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (2, Informative)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821019)

Don't you mean 7 times?

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821181)

Maybe he meant 20 [boingboing.net] .

Or he could be counting:
1) Windows 2.0
2) 95
3) Bob
4) 98
5) ME
6) XP Home
7-12) Vista

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821021)

12? Where does 12 come from?

My concern with upgrading my brother's 512meg Vista machine to a 512meg Win7 machine is that (1) I still don't think it will run any faster and (2) Win7 might not have the necessary drivers to operate the video/audio cards and therefore be impossible to use.

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821061)

Sounds like [s]he's bought 12 MS products, and got abused 12 times.

Just say "no".

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (5, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821063)

dos 1
dos 2
dos 3
dos 4
dos 5
Windows 1
Windows 2
Windows 3.1
Windows 3.11
NT 3.5
ME
Bob
95
98
2000
2000 professional
XP Home
XP pro
Media Center
Vista Home
Vista Home premium
Vista Business
Vista Ultimate

I've used all of those to some degree except Dos 1 Dos 2 Windows 1

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821131)

You're a brave man to admit you used Bob.

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821389)

I've used all of those to some degree except Dos 1 Dos 2 Windows 1

I have in fact owned DOS 1 and 2 as well as Windows 1.03 (the first real release)

Not only that, I developed software on all of them as well, even, CP/M.

Does anyone remmeber pip?

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821427)

Does anyone remmeber pip?

boy?

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (1)

daniel23 (605413) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821619)

peripher interchange program. I remember an awful lot of ctrl/c though that got better with cpm+. Cpm+ also allowed me to use all of the 128 MB RAM that came with my CPC6128 as it allowed bank switching. Those were the days of WordStar, I used to know the adresses of all the free spots in the program code where you could put your own additions like printer control codes to allow WordStar to use italic or letter quality printing. That was programming in hex.

GP forgot to mention NT4.

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (3, Insightful)

SBrach (1073190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821225)

Why don't you have him spend $12 and get a decent amount of ram?

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (1)

kyuubi42 (1424889) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821333)

Windows 7 really is less resource intensive. my anecdote:

* dell optiplex gx260
* p4 (no HT) 2.4GHz
* 1GB ram
* nvidia geforce 2mx (aw yeah. had to use xp drivers, and it's only dx7 so it bluescreens if I try to do a system rating... but it works :P)

no, I can't do aero, but it's good enough, runs as fast as xp for all the common tasks i throw at is (rdp, web browsing, office apps, etc)

also: win 7 can use any vista driver.

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (4, Interesting)

ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821393)

Given that Win7 is supposed to have a smaller number of services running by default, and a number of optimizations to boot, you probably won't get worse perf on Win7. I can't guarantee better perf, but when you're operating with that little memory, *any* improvement in Win7's memory usage will have a noticeable effect (of course, if you are disabling unnecessary Vista services yourself you'll probably get a lot of the benefit).

As for drivers, you should be fine. They aren't changing the driver model for Win7, so Vista drivers will work with it.

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (3, Interesting)

f0dder (570496) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821479)

You had enough money to buy an OS but none left over for RAM?

Re:Fool me once, shame on you (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821573)

I don't have an account on /. yet.

I am a linux user (Arch) but last week I tested the Win7 beta on a 5 year old laptop with p4 1.8ghz, 480mb ram (chipset is a Intel 855GM/GME i think). Everything was recognized and the system feeled a bit more stable and fast than XP sp3. Had to install antivirus, antispyware and firewall software though...

codein

I see your free software and raise you? (1, Interesting)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26820967)

really am attempt to get over the user backlash from vista. i doubt they could have done anything better.

Re:I see your free software and raise you? (1, Troll)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821059)

i doubt they could have done anything better.

Maybe offer a free downgrade to XP for all OEM Vista users that couldn't get the downgrade from the manufacturer?

Re:I see your free software and raise you? (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821285)

Maybe offer a free downgrade to XP for all OEM Vista users that couldn't get the downgrade from the manufacturer?

You know what's sad? I've been around here long enough to remember when people were cursing XP and swearing that they'd never leave 2000. God help us all if I see the day where we are bemoaning the new release and swearing that we'll stay with Vista.

Re:I see your free software and raise you? (5, Insightful)

SirLurksAlot (1169039) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821507)

You know what people don't miss one bit? Windows ME. When XP came along people abandoned ME like yesterday's roadkill sandwich. (And if that makes you hungry please seek help!) I don't know one person who misses ME and regretted moving to XP. XP was gold compared to ME, and while I haven't tried the beta I'm guessing it will be the same way for 7 vs Vista.

Re:I see your free software and raise you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821727)

IMHO pre-service pack XP was worse than ME.

Re:I see your free software and raise you? (3, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821679)

I used 2000 until 6 months ago.
I wanted to upgrade to 64 bit and vista seemed the best move*.

While there are parts of vista that drive me up a wall(most I've turned off), overall I don't mind it. I was surprised at how I enjoyed the GUI.

* I have demands that require MS Windows.

Re:I see your free software and raise you? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821289)

Or offer a free upgrade to Linux.

downgrade (5, Funny)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 5 years ago | (#26820969)

and when we get frustrated by windows 7 not living up to the hype, will we get free downgrades back to XP?

Re:downgrade (1)

turkeydance (1266624) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821011)

still have my XP disc. what am i bid?

Re:downgrade (5, Funny)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821205)

did I just get modded '-1 troll' for bashing microsoft on slashdot?

should I have included a line about chair-throwing overlords or something?

Re:downgrade (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821531)

It's been going around. [slashdot.org]

Rumor has it that MS now has a hundred sock-puppet accounts on slashdot, so they can always have mod points to promote MS / demote anti-MS.

Re:downgrade (4, Informative)

Makarakalax (658810) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821539)

This happens more often than you think. Just browse at -1.

2 months to april (-1, Troll)

koutbo6 (1134545) | more than 5 years ago | (#26820985)

or is there a catch?
let me see ..
there we go, I was right: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/09/1348255 [slashdot.org]
2 apps per user

Re:2 months to april (1)

Bageloid (1131305) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821005)

Right, because that version is being offered in this program. Oh wait, you're a troll.

Re:2 months to april (1)

Lulfas (1140109) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821009)

As that version is not part of this supposed deal, it doesn't affect anything. Troll elsewhere.

Re:2 months to april (2, Insightful)

EvanED (569694) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821043)

Why is this getting so much play on /. recently? That's an edition that was available with XP and Vista, and had the exact same restriction. How soon people forget. And if XP and Vista starter editions are any indication, the Win 7 won't even be available outside of basically Asia and Africa.

Re:2 months to april (3, Interesting)

k_187 (61692) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821159)

Because it seems that Win7 might actually be a decent OS and there has to be something to harp on. What? You expect people to admit that Microsoft is fixing something they screwed up?

Starter vs. Home is now backward (2, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821257)

And if XP and Vista starter editions are any indication, the Win 7 won't even be available outside of basically Asia and Africa.

In Windows XP and Windows Vista, "Home Edition" (XP) or "Home Basic" was for cheap boxes in the developed world, and "Starter Edition" (essentially Home Basic with a 3-app limit) was for less-developed countries. Microsoft has reversed the roles of these SKUs in Windows 7: "Starter Edition" is for netbooks and "Home Basic" is exclusively for LDCs. See press release [microsoft.com] .

Re:Starter vs. Home is now backward (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821429)

I didn't realize that... that's bigger than I thought then.

Service Packs (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26820991)

Aren't service packs always free?

Re:Service Packs (5, Funny)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821309)

Aren't service packs always free?

That's because the copyright has expired by the time they're released.

No News (5, Informative)

Xibby (232218) | more than 5 years ago | (#26820997)

Similar to previous upgrade programs. The goal is minimizing the number of end users who may postpone purchasing a new computer because of the next version of Windows will be released soon.

Buy an eligible new PC with Windows Vista (Home Premium, Business, or Ultimate) and get a free upgrade to Windows 7 when it's released.

No free upgrade to anyone who currently has Vista, and the program doesn't exist yet so no free upgrade if you buy a new PC tomorrow.

No free upgrade for Windows XP...

Absolutely nothing unexpected here.

Re:No News (4, Funny)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821035)

Ah yes, I remember this from several years ago. Our Dell came with Windows 98, and a free "upgrade" to Windows ME. I sure hope this time turns out better...

Re:No News (5, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821693)

Are most PC's available now Windows 7 capable?

Maybe if MS introduced a sticker for which ones are...

Where did you get XP from... (5, Informative)

leetrout (855221) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821001)

TFA blatantly says XP is NOT eligible...

* Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic, Windows Vista Starter Edition, and Windows XP (all editions) are not qualifying products under the program.

Re:Where did you get XP from... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821483)

The only way to get XP from an OEM at this point is with copy of Vista.

Misleading summary (5, Informative)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821015)

If you buy a PC with Vista pre-installed after July 2009, you'll get a free upgrade to 7. Everyone else will still have to buy the upgrade. This is a common practice for software (I think they did the same thing for XP -> Vista); there's really not much to see here.

Re:Misleading summary (2, Insightful)

LOTHAR, of the Hill (14645) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821111)

That makes sense.

It's probably at the request of OEMs who don't want customers to put off buying a computer to wait for a new OS.

The article might even say as much, if I bothered to read it.

Re:Misleading summary (4, Informative)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821157)

In fact, that's exactly what it says.

The Windows 7 Upgrade Program is designed to assist Microsoft's OEM partners in minimizing the number of end users who may postpone acquiring a new computer because of the impending release of the Windows 7 operating system

Re:Misleading summary (1)

Kelz (611260) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821213)

I have an unopened OEM copy of Vista home premium 64-bit sitting in my office (from Fry's); would I be able to convince Microsoft to give me a free upgrade? :P

Re:Misleading summary (2, Insightful)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821325)

That's ok. I have a PC here stuck with Vista and I'm sure it will welcome Windows 7 pirated edition.

P.S: I would like to commend the people who made XP Pirated Edition, you are the best. I had to install XP on a PC of somebody who messed up his previous installation and XP kept on wining about SATA drivers(which I didn't have). Luckily, PE had a great version without any CD-key crap or driver mayhem. It's rather sad that the best Windows versions are made by pirates.

Re:Misleading summary (4, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821459)

Luckily, PE had a great version without any CD-key crap or driver mayhem. It's rather sad that the best Windows versions are made by pirates.

Or you could have just used a newer genuine XP oem disk. SP2 and SP3 disks have SATA drivers, maybe even SP1 disks. If all you had was an original XP cd, you can slipstream your own XP SP3 disk pretty easily.

Or your friend could have made his recovery disk set and kept it after he bought the laptop, so that when this eventually rolls around, he's all set, and you wouldn't have had to fumble around for something that worked.

Or you could have ordered a replacement recovery disk set from the OEM. Granted its usually 15-20 bucks or so.

But its not like you don't have lots of options.

Re:Misleading summary (1, Insightful)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821587)

Pirates learn much quicker than MS management does. The versions that one can buy in easter Europe now include many useful programs such as WinRar by default. You usually buy a DVD which includes not only XP, but also MSOffice, Photoshop, several antivirus and antispyware products, firewalls, various tools and utils including local street maps, telephone books etc. And there is some kind of a package manager on DVD. And the worst thing is: no matter what's on DVD be it XP, Vista, Linux or some movie -- every DVD costs exactly the same.
That is the closest thing to a Linux distribution in Windows world both in features and price. And you can have LiveCD-like environment (albeit crappy in comparison) with bartPE on the same DVD. Little wonder that Windows monopoly is absolute in countries with high level of software piracy. Linux can hardly compete with such offerings given usual vendor lock-in and users' mind inertia.

Re:Misleading summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821335)

If you buy a PC with Vista pre-installed after July 2009, you'll get a free upgrade to 7. Everyone else will still have to buy the upgrade. This is a common practice for software (I think they did the same thing for XP -> Vista); there's really not much to see here.

They did. I pushed 30 computers through the "dell express upgrade to vista" program when I started my current employment. the process sucked big time.

Re:Misleading summary (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821341)

They've done the same thing going all the way back to Windows 3.1 upgrade to Win95... that's as far as my memory goes, but the practice may be even older than that.

Damn, reading the headline I thought I'd finally get my hands on Vista SP{working edition}. Guess I'll have to pay for it.

Re:Misleading summary (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821579)

>>This is a common practice for software (I think they did the same thing for XP -> Vista); there's really not much to see here.

They said they did, but when I tried to claim the free copy of Vista (I bought an OEM version of XP right before Vista came out) they pretended they'd never heard of the program, or that I didn't qualify or something. (I don't recall, exactly.)

Of course, the silver lining is that this machine is still using XP.

What a shitty article (5, Informative)

EvanED (569694) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821023)

1. This isn't for arbitrary XP or Vista users; it is (assuming the rumor holds) a program which they will start at some point, so that if you buy a new computer during that time with Vista Home Premium, Business, or Ultimate, you'll get an upgrade to Win 7 when it comes out. This is to reduce the number of people who hold of on buying a new computer until that time.

2. It isn't for XP users at all. There are eleven occurances of "XP" on the linked page, and all but one is in an ad: "* Microsoft Windows Vista® Home Basic, Windows Vista® Starter Edition, and Windows® XP (all editions) are not qualifying products under the program." (emphasis mine).

It's a bit cliche to complain about the editors reading the articles before posting them, but did the poster even read this one?

Re:What a shitty article (4, Insightful)

erikina (1112587) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821425)

What I don't like, is they've updated the summary to remove "XP" but without an "UPDATE:". It really takes posts out of context and makes people look like idiots that retell the story.

Re:What a shitty article (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821545)

I thought I was crazy. I further don't like that without the XP bit, this isn't really interesting or noteworthy to me. But I guess it's too late to remove the whole article now that it isn't interesting.

Not available to all (1)

asifyoucare (302582) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821037)

My reading of it is that OEMs will be able to offer a free upgrade to Windows 7, to customers who buy new computers with Vista, during the 'eligibility period'.

It is not a general offer of a free upgrade.

Take my software... (1)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821055)

...please!

Bad Summary -- RTFA. (5, Informative)

Yaztromo (655250) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821075)

You know, if you RTFA, it does state:

* Microsoft Windows Vista® Home Basic, Windows Vista® Starter Edition, and Windows® XP (all editions) are not qualifying products under the program.

...and:

End users must purchase a new PC that is pre-installed with an eligible Windows Vista Operating System (OS), during the program eligibility window.

...and:

Do note that this is an optional program, so not all OEMs may choose to participate. OEMs that choose to participate in this upgrade program will have the freedom to determine how to best provide qualifying end users with the details.

So let's recap: no free upgrades for XP users, you have to have bought a qualifying Vista-based system within an as-yet undetermined qualifying period, and even then you'll only be able to get a free upgrade from your systems OEM if they choose to participate in the program.

This looks like the standard upgrade protection that Apple typically offers to those who buy a new system just prior to the ship date of their latest and greatest OS. So in essence, there is nothing to be seen here. Please move along people.

Yaz.

Re:Bad Summary -- RTFA. (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821681)

In addition, if you've participated in the previous XP to Vista free upgrade program (which I did, not because I like Vista, but because hey, it came with the laptop, so why not), you'll know that the last time they did this, only about half the people who applied got their discs. Yay outsourcing the entire program to an inept company!

Windows 7 = Vista SP2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821089)

What to do when a product has a bad name?

Simply rename it and call it an upgrade, and make the upgrade free for those that bought it recently.

Honestly (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821091)

I will wait for the "free upgrade" on the torrents

Re:Honestly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821355)

I think you're just trolling. You already have an operating system, why do you want to upgrade it? I think you just want a free ride.
I think you're the same person that complains about about a game being expensive, but ends up playing 100 games per year or downloading 10000 songs claiming that you hate DRM.

waiting for the Win 7 Torrent Pro Version (1)

BrentRJones (68067) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821435)

Me too. Oh and I need the Crack too, please.

Not really an apology (1, Flamebait)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821093)

When I first read this and the comments made about it I was thinking this was MS trying to make an apology for Vista. It looks instead like they are trying to provide assistance to the OEMs that are having an impossible time selling machines curs... er... PREINSTALLED with Vista because users want to wait for Windows 7 to get a new machine. (I don't blame them...)

So once again MS isn't looking out for the good of their customers, for the public, but for their business partners. *sigh* Just once you'd think they would try something that shown them in a positive light to their users?

Re:Not really an apology (3, Insightful)

hguorbray (967940) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821653)

But here is the $45,000 question -will they count the sales of those machines as Vista sales, or Windows 7 sales -probably both....

I just know that they didn't take into account all the 'downgrades' to XP when counting Vista sales...not that it helped much considering Vista's DOA status.

-I'm just saying

Of course its free (3, Funny)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821109)

Since when can you charge for a service pack?

Re:Of course its free (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821219)

You should ask Apple, they seem to have gotten away with it a few times.

Re:Of course its free (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821253)

Since Mac OS X 10.1
and .2
and .3
and .4
and...

Re:Of course its free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821615)

Seriously? Even Autodesk gives away the minor version upgrades. I hope this doesn't hurt their (Autodesk) position as King of the Dicks in the software publisher world.

Re:Of course its free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821721)

So, you think Apple hasn't released a major OS upgrade since 2001? Hint: you're looking at the wrong version number if you want to talk about "service packs." Apple just uses smaller iterations, and charges lower prices. Really, this isn't difficult to understand, unless you're a Microsoft troll. I've used MacOS X maybe a dozen times in my life. But I'm always interested to see what they're doing, and each major release has included some pretty cool stuff.

Re:Of course its free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821467)

Isn't that what Apple has been doing since the first release of OS X ?

Re:Of course its free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821639)

A user running their windows update gets the I following upgrades...

1. A critical venerability has been discovered that allows a external user to take over your computer (critical) - Cost $8 - Yes/No

2. Visual Studio Service Pack 2 (highly recommended) - Cost $5 - Yes/No

3. Windows Media Player update (optional) - Cost $3 - Yes/No

I wonder if this day will ever come!

duh (2, Insightful)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821123)

So then why don't they just called it what it is, either a service pack for Vista or actual Vista, as Vista was just a glitchy beta.

will there be a system for custom build system wit (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821167)

will there be a system for custom build system with oem vers of vista?

There's always a catch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821197)

There is something to see here. There's a catch. Be cautious, Microsoft wants to make money. They probably will force incompatibilities with the old Office which in turn will force you to purchase a new "Office for Windows 7" at a
"through-the-nose" price.

They used this trick in previous versions of Windows to make money. The snowball effect is that you will need to purchase a new set of applications/games for Windows 7.

Same as when Vista came out, free upgrade to XP... (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821241)

Same thing happened around the time Vista was coming out. You could buy Vista and get a free upgraded to XP. :D

Ok the opposite happened to. If you bought XP near the time Vista was coming out, you got vouchers etc for free Vista...

This is just business as usual to stop people from holding off on purchases until the new OS arrives.

in other news (2, Funny)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821243)

archeologists opened a petrified copy of windows 7 and found hair from a vista

meh...I'm using the Win 7 beta (2, Interesting)

baegucb (18706) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821343)

And it's nothing special. Running it on a laptop and desktop. It has bugs (reported), but Ubuntu actually feels better imho. So I'm likely to dump it soon, and since WoW runs with Wine, I'm really close to getting rid of all the hassles with MS. I've gotten alot of co-workers to switch, but convincing "great-aunt Sally" types is another thing.

Re:meh...I'm using the Win 7 beta (2, Interesting)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821455)

It is possible, you may need a bit of patience here though... But once you have explained where "the internet", "the mail" and "the pictures" are, expect to have no problems anymore, at least no security-related.
And create nice big icons on desktop.

Lipstick on a Pig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821367)

n/t

I have valid Licences back to DOS 1.1 (2, Interesting)

BrentRJones (68067) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821405)

I'm only missing Windows 1, 2 and me. And, of course, I did not buy Vista. Can't I at least have a free upgrade to Win 7? Please Billy Boy.

Too late, I already bought an Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821409)

to replace the useless laptop that has Visto Home Basic.

Since their offer does not apply to this laptop, (Wrong Vista version and wrong purchase date) I guess that makes it too little, too late.

Is it just me, or does Msoft seems on a path of self distruction by arrogance. This seems strange because after IBM ceeded control of the computer market to them for the same reason, they said that they would be especially careful not to fall into the same trap. Perhaps there is something about a monopoly that makes impossible to learn from other's mistakes. Seems like at the least, the stock owners should be up in arms.

Exclusive Steve Balmer Email: (4, Funny)

pRtkL xLr8r (1264376) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821451)

Whatever it takes! Do what you have to! I don't care if you have to give away the next 3 incarnations of our operating system for free -- WE WILL NOT LET LINUX GET A FOOTHOLD!!!

Re:Exclusive Steve Balmer Email: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821563)

We need a Funny-Insightful moderation. Because this is both.

Re:Exclusive Steve Balmer Email: (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821773)

Because Stevie B is seriously concerned that this year might really be the year of linux on the desktop. Seriously and deeply.

Canonical offers free upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821505)

to ubuntu to all windows users, past, present, and future. Download any time you get fed up with viruses, trojans, malware, spyware, BSODs, etc.

they want to increase Vista sell stats! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26821519)

This seems a good way to make people buy computers that otherwise would not be bought.
In the same time, they manage to increase the statistics of windows Vista sells at the end of the year.

I got my 'free upgrade' 15 years ago ... (1)

The Cisco Kid (31490) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821589)

back when Windows 3.1 first came out. At the time, the upgrade was called 'Slackware Linux'.

To all who said that Vista didn't suck... (0, Troll)

s_p_oneil (795792) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821591)

...this is Microsoft's way of telling you that they feel guilty about fooling you into believing that. It's really more of an apology to the people who weren't fooled, but one implies the other.

Windows 7 is not really a free upgrade... (1)

w0mprat (1317953) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821599)

Since Vista is free anyway, right?

Re:Windows 7 is not really a free upgrade... (1)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821731)

Not sure what you're getting at...

That would be the right thing to do (1)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821613)

free upgrade program, which allows Vista users to switch to Windows 7 when it arrives.

Can't just admit they made a mistake and throw their user base a bone. Why is that so hard? Do the right thing for a change.

Windows 7 is really just Vista 1.5 (1, Interesting)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821649)

This really should put to rest the idea whether this is a truly a new version of windows of just a version update. I would think of Windows 7 no different than I would see a difference between Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10, or OSX 10.4 and 10.5. If they really wanted to make people happy they'd give existing XP licenses a free upgrade to win 7.

Re:Windows 7 is really just Vista 1.5 (5, Informative)

Shados (741919) | more than 5 years ago | (#26821713)

Its funny really. If they change the UI too much, people bitch that they changed it just for the sake of changing it, and thats its the same OS with a pretty face. If they change mostly the backend and whats under the hood, then people say "Its an overglorified service pack"

So I'll ask you. Have you actually looked at the extent of the changes they made to Windows under the hood? No, it didn't break much compatibility because they didn't change something that does, such as the driver subsystem. Still, the changes, for example the new service trigger engine, the user mode scheduler, the remoting system, the amount of new APIs added, the UI revamp (not like XP to Vista, but still quite significant), the software DX renderer, the upgrades to the enterprise service versions, the updates of many of the userland apps, the netbook and touchscreen features, yadah yadah yadah... overall, I'd dare say its one of the more massive updates to Windows in a long time, and greater than XP -> Vista in term of features. But yes, a lot of customers won't notice this, on top of people being comfy in the XP -> Vista release schedule (and their comfortable zone got shaken off as MS came back to the old release schedule), so they have to do this and give it.

Doesn't change how massive the update is, though.

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