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Google Buys Finnish Paper Mill

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the now-they-aren't-making-google-book dept.

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raffnix writes "Today, Finland-based paper group Stora Enso has announced that Google is buying the buildings and most of the Summa Mill site, where production of paper was ceased last month, for approximately 40 million Euros ($51.7 million). Obviously the space is most likely going to serve as a data center, which has now also been confirmed by Reuters."

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Media has it Wrong (5, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827663)

Google is buying the buildings and most of the Summa Mill site [...] the space is most likely going to serve as a data center

Shows what the media knows. Haven't they heard of GMail Paper [google.com] ? Here's the spiel from Google:

Everyone loves Gmail. But not everyone loves email, or the digital era. What ever happened to stamps, filing cabinets, and the mailman? Well, you asked for it, and it's here. We're bringing it back.

A New Button
Now in Gmail, you can request a physical copy of any message with the click of a button, and we'll send it to you in the mail.

Simplicity Squared
Google will print all messages instantly and prepare them for delivery. Allow 2-4 business days for a parcel to arrive via post.

Total Control
A stack of Gmail Paper arrives in a box at your doorstep, and it's yours to keep forever. You can read it, sort it, search it, touch it. Or even move it to the trash--the real trash. (Recycling is encouraged.)

Keep it Secret, Keep it Safe
Google takes privacy very seriously. But once your email is physically in your hands, it's as secure as you want to make it.

Is it free?
Yes. The cost of postage is offset with the help of relevant, targeted, unobtrusive advertisements, which will appear on the back of your Gmail Paper prints in red, bold, 36 pt Helvetica. No pop-ups, no flashy animations--these are physically impossible in the paper medium.

With Google's ad revenue suffering due to economic conditions, I imagine they need this new source of revenue very badly. For those who are curious, Wikipedia has a great article [wikipedia.org] detailing the history of this new venture by Google.

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827731)

Or maybe they need paper that bad as they're *that* full of shit?

Is there some hidden clause that force us to be interested in Apple, Google, or fucks like that Eric Stupid Raymon, Suck Perens or linustorvaldse.cx?

Re:Media has it Wrong (-1, Troll)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827741)

Wow, a relevant first post and VERY informative! I wish I had mod points.

Re:Media has it Wrong (5, Informative)

Alphager (957739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827917)

It is neither relevant nor informative; it's funny.
Gmail paper was the 2007 april's fool joke...

Re:Media has it Wrong (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828501)

Phew... for a minute I thought the headline was a reference to google buying another Finnish paper mill called "Nokia" which owns the QT windowing system.

Informative? Funny! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827959)

Nice to see people reading the wikipedia link to the "Google's hoaxes" page!

Re:Media has it Wrong (1, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828139)

Hey Mods! Don't you think modding a poor guy "Troll" just because he fell for a joke is a little harsh? Be kind, rewind*. (*Your moderation)

Re:Media has it Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828713)

Thank you! --AKAIB

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

The FNP (1177715) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828785)

Yeah, I mean this is /., where you get modded up for not reading TFA!

--The FNP

Re:Media has it Wrong (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827849)

While your post is informative and interesting, the Reuters article has a lot more than you do:

"We are currently considering to build a data centre at this site," said Google spokesman Kay Oberbeck.

And on top of that, from the Washington Post [washingtonpost.com] :

An earlier (brutally honest) press release from Stora Enso reveals that the mill site was closed down because of "persistent losses in recent years and poor long-term profitability prospects" It continues: "Despite tremendous efforts by its employees, the mill cannot compete in today's and tomorrow's markets using expensive virgin wood fibre, much of which is imported".

So you're arguing that because they need revenue, they bought a failing paper mill in an nonstrategic location (shipping all that paper to the states?! come on!) ... pretty weak argumant AKAImBatman.

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828215)

They shut it down for a lack of wood fiber? They should just have planted 30 one-acre stands of Supertrees near by- one a year.

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829899)

Almost all paper mills are failing. Every week brings news of another mill closing down, and it's been this way for years.

I do agree it's a silly idea buying that mill for making paper, but let's not pretend the paper industry is healthy.

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827883)

Good grief, I think paper emails might be for real. This is horrible. Come on people, think of the trees. If you spend a few minutes learning how to use the archive and search functions on your mail program you'll realize how worthless printouts are. But I guess I'm preaching to the choir here.

Re:Media has it Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827933)

April joke

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828041)

Some people have a requirement to keep certain documents for 7,10, or even 20+ years, digital isn't necessarily the best format to keep such documents.

Re:Media has it Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26829771)

But what about the environment?

Not a problem. Gmail Paper is made out of 96% post-consumer organic soybean sputum, and thus, actually helps the environment. For every Gmail Paper we produce, the environment gets incrementally healthier.

Source:http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

arnott (789715) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827919)

You do realize that Google paper is April fool joke ?

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827953)

Of course it isn't! Didn't you read the Wikipedia article?!?! Obviously it's com-pletely seerious.

Re:Media has it Wrong (2, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827945)

Informative? This is Google's April 1st joke from 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_hoaxes#Gmail_Paper [wikipedia.org]

Read the personal quotes on the "More Info" page:

"Now that I have Gmail Paper, I understand the difference between labels and folders. I had one message with two labels, but when I tried to stick the paper version into two filing cabinets at the same time, it just wouldnâ(TM)t go."

"It's paper, plain and easy. I sometimes find myself wondering: what will Google think of next? Cardboard?"

Bill K., Armchair Futurist

But what about the environment?

Not a problem. Gmail Paper is made out of 96% post-consumer organic soybean sputum, and thus, actually helps the environment. For every Gmail Paper we produce, the environment gets incrementally healthier.

Re:Media has it Wrong (3, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829413)

Informative? This is Google's April 1st joke from 2007.

Allow me to inform you: Moderation is broken. Funny gives +1 to the article but not +1 to karma. So people have taken to moderating funny comments as informative or insightful, so that when you get moderated down as Overrated you aren't suffering a net karma loss.

That or someone just got taken in, and so they deserve the karma point anyway. Let it go.

That is an April Fools Joke (1)

qw0ntum (831414) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827955)

Because some mods obviously didn't get it that was an April Fools Joke from 2007.

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827981)

If anyone would like to actually click the Gmail paper link, you'll hopefully discover that this is some elaborate joke. From the page:

" "Now that I have Gmail Paper, I understand the difference between labels and folders. I had one message with two labels, but when I tried to stick the paper version into two filing cabinets at the same time, it just wouldn't go."

But what about the environment? Not a problem. Gmail Paper is made out of 96% post-consumer organic soybean sputum, and thus, actually helps the environment. For every Gmail Paper we produce, the environment gets incrementally healthier.

Good to see people reading things properly...

I'll bet the neighbors are happier though (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828179)

After all, even with this new addition to Gmail, production is going to be down. As a person born in Albany, OR, and having to smell the paper plant every time I go back- let's just say at least as smog it has "flavor" (a kind of spicy smell....)

Re:Media has it Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828407)

i thought they were going to use this mill because of their get an out of print book made service.

Group *whoosh* (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828663)

Wow. Sometimes I wonder who the hell falls for infomercials and Nigerian scams. Then I see responses to an obvious hoax like the previous, and it all makes sense.

Please tell me that the previous responses to this were trying to be ironic, I'd feel a lot better about the human race.

Re:Media has it Wrong (2, Informative)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828711)

No pop-ups, no flashy animations--these are physically impossible in the paper medium.

But... Pop-ups [makersgallery.com] and flashy animations [nerdkits.com] are physically possible in the paper medium

Re:Media has it Wrong (1)

hajile78 (975999) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828955)

From the example of the US Government Google will now be printing it's own Money. GMoney

Re:Media has it Wrong (3, Funny)

slashdotmsiriv (922939) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829193)

One of my favorite parts of the joke was the testimonial:

"Now that I have Gmail Paper, I understand the difference between labels and folders. I had one message with two labels, but when I tried to stick the paper version into two filing cabinets at the same time, it just wouldnâ(TM)t go."

Mayumi M., Associate

Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827683)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.
You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER
Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.
Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.
Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 75 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include: 1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing. 2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one). 3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit. 4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood. 5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.
Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS - MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE
Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN
They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?
Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER BITCHES ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. - WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?
A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.
What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE?
They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD
And you were expecting what?

SHOULD I STORE MY DEAD NIGGER?
When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? .That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.

So much for do no evil (0, Offtopic)

squoozer (730327) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827713)

I hear that this new data centre will be run on trees that are harvested in a non-sustainable way and any small furry animals they find while chopping the trees now (especially squirrels).

Re:So much for do no evil (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828023)

actually, they're selling the squirrels to richard gere. The long tail makes them easier to pull out than hamsters.

Data center? A likely story (3, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827723)

No, I see what Google's angle is. Get everybody using computers, move away from paper, and once nobody else is making paper suddenly Google will come out with the latest hot product only available on paper! And you have to have this product; nay, you need this product. You couldn't face your friends and family without it. This plan is so cunning, so clever, so devious, you could stick a tail on it and call it Karl Rove.

Re:Data center? A likely story (5, Funny)

Oidhche (1244906) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828021)

No, I think they're gonna print their own money.

Re:Data center? A likely story (2, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829443)

No, I think they're gonna print their own money.

Google is larger than a whole raft of sovereign nations. They have their own airline. They seem to be trying to be a bank [blogspot.com] . Printing money is next.

Re:Data center? A likely story (1)

happylight (600739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829613)

Then they probably should've bought a printing press instead of a paper mill.

Old News? Wrong Headline? (5, Funny)

dmomo (256005) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827725)

I thought everyone new that due to the advent of Internet and Google (docs, mail, etc) *ALL* Paper Mills were Finnished.

Last month (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827751)

month != year

It's official (0)

travdaddy (527149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827761)

"Print is dead."

Google Buys building. (3, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827765)

wow.
A paper mill is just a big building. I use to work for a company where the building use to be an old saw mill. Heck the house I live in use to be a small Candy Factory.

Re:Google Buys building. (5, Informative)

primalamn (716272) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828145)

It is also a very big building with a massive supply of electricity already installed. Paper mill machinery is very large and runs of major amounts of electricity, so buying a defunct paper mill is a very good idea on their part, as the retrofit will not be the total infrastructure of the building.

Re:Google Buys building. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828667)

Also paper mills use a lot of water. Building cooling systems use water, not as much as a paper mill but using that existing infrastructure also helps.

Re:Google Buys building. (1)

dgr73 (1055610) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829301)

Not to mention that in Finland the big problem is not really cooling, it's keeping warm.

Re:Google Buys building. (0)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829929)

Google could save some money on cooling by using the ambient air in certain ways but for the most part, there are issues to overcome. The air has to be filtered before use especially in Hamina, Finland which is located on the North Sea. Salt in the air would most likely prove corrosive to electronic equipment. It's probably far easier and more efficient to use water cooling chillers on a closed water and air loop.

Re:Google Buys building. (1)

primalamn (716272) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829699)

THis is an added bonus since paper mills typically have a closed loop system for the water use. They sequester the outflow since it contains possible toxic or harmful substances to treat and reuse in the process. This would be feasible to use this system to assist in a cooling system for the structure, reducing the need for AC and even more electricity. This will be interesting to see what goes on here, a possible model for using industrial structures by adapting and using existing infrastructure. Green methods in reuse and retasking.

Re:Google Buys building. (2, Informative)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829077)

It is also a very big building with a massive supply of electricity already installed.

Even better: Many paper mills are located next to rapids in rivers, where they have their own hydroelectric generators.

Oblig (0)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827781)

Something smells rotten in Denma--I mean, Finland.

Uh oh!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827791)

Read this if you already haven't: http://www.energybulletin.net/node/23259 [energybulletin.net]

Here we go.. Google Paper Mill is first. Then Google Farms, Google Mining, Google Education, Google Hospitals, etc.

Re:Uh oh!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827909)

Maybe they'll do a better job than governments. And for free, since they're going to put ads everywhere to pay for it.

Can't wait for the day Google buys Wal-Mart.

Re:Uh oh!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828783)

This is what I imagine the borg would do once they assimilate Will Wright.

Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827793)

They need to print more stock!

The "Paper Mill" part is incidental (5, Interesting)

jafiwam (310805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827799)

They just need industrial space. It just so happens that paper mills, like data centers need a lot of electricity.

Which is cheap if your grid is fed by a hydroelectric dam (Summa, Finland area does have hydro-power).

Lots of paper mills have gone out of business in the last decade, changing paper use habits has caused this.

Re:The "Paper Mill" part is incidental (5, Interesting)

kqc7011 (525426) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828283)

There is also a paper mill in Niagara Wi. that is also being closed by Stora Enso that has its own hydro electric dam. Google could do the same thing here. Google could put a small town back to work. And make a profit selling the extra electricity too. Something different, a data center that pays for itself.

Re:The "Paper Mill" part is incidental (4, Insightful)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828819)

I was not aware that the Niagara paper mill was closing down. But I don't think a data center will employ as much people as a paper mill, nor will it be of the same skill set. While it certainly would create some good paying jobs, Niagara will need more than that to replace the jobs lost.

Re:The "Paper Mill" part is incidental (2, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829273)

Just be careful. A few weeks ago someone was telling me to watch out for the Niagaran Paper Mill scam.

Re:The "Paper Mill" part is incidental (1, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829421)

There is also a paper mill in Niagara Wi. that is also being closed by Stora Enso that has its own hydro electric dam. Google could do the same thing here. Google could put a small town back to work.

While the actual production line of pulp to paper is quite automated, the reason a paper mill is a big deal is that it's lots of manual labor, lots of people to supervise and maintain trucks and machinery, lots of shipping and handling and so on. Computer center? Throw up a well controlled environment with sensors and there it sits, replacing parts is nothing like maintaining the milling equipment and most other things can be done remotely. I'd be very surprised if they need 1/10th the manpower that the mill did.

Re:The "Paper Mill" part is incidental (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828297)

plus, it probably won't cost a ton to keep it cool, being in friggin' Finland. Probably don't need walls....

Re:The "Paper Mill" part is incidental (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828471)

Not only do they need space. I heard that they also need to be near water to be used for cooling. A paper mill will have access to water.

Its 2009 already! (5, Informative)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827821)

This is the second article this week that confuses 2008 with 2009. The other was the article on the LHC startup.

Re:Its 2009 already! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827869)

Danm you for getting there first. I even had cut and pasted the quote ready to use. I will use it, so ner: "Production of paper was ceased last month in January 2008" WTF AGAIN?!!

Re:Its 2009 already! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827987)

Maybe that story got stuck in the firehose for 1 year.

Re:Its 2009 already! (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827931)

CmdTaco is living in the past.

You're living in the past, man! - Leo from That 70's Show

Re:Its 2009 already! (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828147)

Make that third -- a couple days ago, there was a story about a vim update from 6 months ago.

Re:Its 2009 already! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26829117)

I was wondering why 2008 felt much longer than 2007.

that, or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26827843)

sure the datacenter thing is possible. Or maybe their ambition to outdo paper [blogspot.com] isn't going quite so well as planned!

Gmoney (3, Funny)

robert899 (769631) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827857)

They bought it to print their own currency. By the time it's up an running, the US dollar will be worthless due to inflation. Prudent business decision I must say :-)

How nifty! (0, Troll)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827907)

How nifty! They put a **HUGE** data center where the law was changed to allow unprecedented spying upon e-mail traffic, **AND** through which Russia is mostly connected to.

What are the Google connections with the CIA, again????

Re:How nifty! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828707)

Actually the e-mail spy law was implemented in Sweden (neighbor) not Finland incidentally a lot of data traffic from Finland Goes through Sweden. Now this data center might just re-route the traffic some other way e.g. through Estonia.

Re:How nifty! (5, Informative)

registered_after_8_y (1445553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828883)

Well, don't know you're just trolling, but FYI the law (Lex Nokia as it is called) has not yet been passed. Also the climate is very favorable, cold winters and not very hot summers...and I suppose the quite cheap electricity, good infrastructure and abundance of highly trained CS engineers in Finland does not hurt.

Re:How nifty! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26829321)

abundance of highly trained CS engineers in Finland does not hurt.

Not quite true. I'm an M.Sc. student and there has been a lot of discussion about quotas at universities being too big since if too many are admitted, quite a few people that simply aren't bright enough are admitted too. So there are quite a few M.Scs here - we still have the highest income level, after all - 10-25 % above MBAs on average (I study that too so I have access to all statistics). But not all with a degree, are particularly good (so employers do check grades).

Re:How nifty! Another question: (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829393)

What will become of things as more sites along with facebook, such as Multiply, myspace, and all the others become "incentivized" to sidle along with Google. If Google IS in bed with Uncle Same, umm, Uncle Sam, we can all forget about any further tenuous assertions of "privacy".

Re:How nifty! (1)

mooglez (795643) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829435)

Actually, Googles current servers reside in Sweden, where it recently became possible to snoop on all traffic passing trough the country.

Google itself, or maybe after some prompting from Russians might have found it prudent to move to a country that at least yet does not allow any snooping.

Lex Nokia is currently encountering resistance in all media, so it might not pass after all.

Dear Washington post (0, Redundant)

aepervius (535155) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827927)

where production of paper was ceased last month in January 2008

Last month was in 2009. I hope you are more reliable than that on your other article.

CmdrTaco == Time Traveller (2, Insightful)

nitroscen (811508) | more than 5 years ago | (#26827989)

last month in January 2008

I knew it! CmdrTaco is a Time Traveller. Getting our news from the past.. brilliant!

Re:CmdrTaco == Time Traveller (3, Informative)

jimbobborg (128330) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828161)

I think this joke is Finished.

Re:CmdrTaco == Time Traveller (1)

rockbottoms (1393173) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828633)

No, Google bought that too. Now it's back in Beta

Re:CmdrTaco == Time Traveller (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26829191)

I think this joke is Finished.

I think you mean Finnished, did you read the title?

Why is this news? (5, Interesting)

jandrese (485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828047)

Big corporation buys some land to put buildings on. Previous occupant happened to be a paper mill, but who cares? Maybe I'm crazy, but I really don't see what's so newsworthy about this.

Re:Why is this news? (2)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828217)

I'm also not seeing the importance of this. Sounds about as interesting as me posting a /. article about the view from my office window, or a lengthy description of the various fillings in my daily sandwiches.

Re:Why is this news? (1)

skyride (1436439) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828337)

Agreed.

Re:Why is this news? (1)

jimwelch (309748) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828997)

This is why I marked it badtitle in tags! Just add the word FORMER to paper mill and it would be more accurate and informative.

Primatech (4, Funny)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828093)

Are you sure it wasn't Primatech they aquired? That would fit perfectly with their "Don't be evil" motto.

Hold on (1)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828209)

...which has now also been confirmed by Reuters.

Wait, didn't Wikipedia just kill the liability [slashdot.org] of journalism?

Good that it's finished (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828273)

Wouldn't want them to buy an Unfinnish factory now would we?

Fight Club? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828305)

I was on a flight to Detroit when the person sitting next to me struck up a conversation.

Did you know that Google is buying a paper mill? Hmm, A paper mill. Did you know that if you cut up paper you get paper strips. Add equal parts water and flour (with a touch of oil) you get paper mache.

Yeah, with enough paper mache, Google could model just about anything in the world. If they were so inclined.

He was, by far, the most interesting "single-serving" friend that I have ever met.

Location, location, location. (5, Informative)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828353)

My co worker tells me they have a power plant on site, so tick the electricity box...

The location is right my the sea, and also handily close to Russia. There's a map in this Helsingin Sanomat article:
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Stora+Enso+closing+Summa+and+Kemij%C3%A4rvi+mills+at+brisk+pace+/1135233375617 [www.hs.fi]

So basically they can easily lay cable from and to the site, and they can have excellent connections to Russia without actually having to place the hardware there. (Not that I'm sure it would be an issue these days.)

Also, they can literally put the hardware on a ship and ship it right to the location.

Re:Location, location, location. (4, Informative)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828405)

This seems to be the site:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ensontie+summa+finland&sll=60.535839,27.158031&sspn=0.065861,0.179901&ie=UTF8&ll=60.544113,27.142239&spn=0.065844,0.179901&t=h&z=13&iwloc=addr [google.com]

(Judging from the fact that "Ensontie" (Enso road) goes right by the gray bits which are clearly an industrial complex.)

Re:Location, location, location. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26829055)

The original site was home to the lumber yard, pulp mill, port, and paper mill designed in 1936 by famous architect Alvar Aalto. It also includes two groups of housing complexes - one for management, and another further away for employees and their families. All of the support buildings (schools, cafeteria, etc.) are also on-site. In total I believe there is housing for around 100 families, with 6 reserved for management.

The worker housing is not the low-quality type that Ford built around it's factories, which Aalto was aware of, and he even referred to Ford's (and other companies doing this at the time) as shanty towns when designing this facility.

Fight Club? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828357)

err someone please explain this tag to me... i mean, yes it would be cool to buy a gaint facility and turn it into a fight club, but a data center is more useful, and a fight club in finland... meh.

Re:Fight Club? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828913)

Find "paper mill" in fight club's script:

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Fight-Club.html

Mistake in headline: (5, Funny)

MadMidnightBomber (894759) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828429)

Should be "Google to produce hardcopy of Internet"

Finnish Him! (2, Funny)

Saint Gerbil (1155665) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828593)

Doesn't sound like google they don't finnish anything half their products are still in beta!

Re:Finnish Him! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26828673)

your pun has cast this thread into failure, and with it's dieing breath cries out

"IT IS FINNISHED"

its not good enough for google (2, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828725)

to merely put the newspaper industry's reason for existence into doubt

now google actually has to go out and confiscate newspapers' means of production and forcibly convert paper mills into data centers? talk about insult on top of injury

i think someone at google is taking this whole notion of the digital "revolution" a little too seriously, no? do they assassinate rupert murdoch and demolish the conde nast building next?

Re:its not good enough for google (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 5 years ago | (#26828953)

> ...do they assassinate rupert murdoch...

We can only hope.

Re:its not good enough for google (1)

raybob (203381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829281)

Change is inevitable. I'm pretty surprised to see anyone here taking the luddite stance.

Think of it this way though. Finland is basically rural Europe. Investing in information industry in rural Europe, Google is leading the envelope is spurring information technology job growth in rural areas, where unemployment is highest (definitely true in the U.S. anyway).

Bringing IT workers in usually will raise the general technology if not education level in a given rural setting (see datacenters in South Carolina and Alabama for instance). That will tend to improve school systems and other services to a certain degree. Granted a datacenter isn't a massive employer, but it can start or contribute to a positive trend.

So, converting a mammoth eyesore that can't be profitable in hard industry space to a net job producer ? How can you argue against that ?

Redundancy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26829347)

Obviously the space is most likely going to serve as a data center...

Furiously I object with great anger to English constructions like this.

Re:Redundancy... (1)

raybob (203381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829389)

But then again, you have to admire how they structure their word usements.

Slashdot is so last year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26829523)

Last month, January 2008. Right. That's just like the Linux version of Eve Online was released in November last year, 2007: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/08/206252 [slashdot.org] .
Someone forgot to buy a new calendar for the Slashdot crew.

Finally... Google Paper for real. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26829717)

So Google Paper is finally becoming a reality...
http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html

Paper = weight (4, Informative)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 5 years ago | (#26829887)

Paper mills are designed for heavy machines and heavy rolls of paper. That means that they have strong floors which don't flex, and they don't collapse when you put in a few tons of batteries.

Because of this, telcos (which are largely DC operations and have huge battery backups) love defunct printing buildings and use them for switches.

It makes perfect sense that Google would want such a stable, heavy building.

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