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Pirate Bay Operators Stand Trial On Monday

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the stay-warm-date-a-swede dept.

The Courts 664

Anonymous Pirate writes "Operators of The Pirate Bay stand trial on Monday in Stockholm. The four defendants from the popular file-sharing web site are charged with being accessories to breaking copyright law and may face fines or up to two years in prison if found guilty. The four defendants have run the site since 2004 after it was started in 2003 by the Swedish anti-copyright organization Piratbyrån. The Swedish public service television announced that they are going to send a live audio stream from the trial. It will be broadcast without editing or translation."

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664 comments

News in english about the trial: (5, Informative)

Alsn (911813) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839865)

http://trial.thepiratebay.org/ [thepiratebay.org] Is the "official"(if there is such a thing) blog about the trial.

Re:News in english about the trial: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26839899)

Suck.

Re:News in english about the trial: (5, Informative)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839935)

MPAA asked for 15.4 million $ earlier, don't know if that's still the number. The swedish lawyer was on TV this morning but I don't remember what she said.

When asked if it wasn't like supplying crowbars she said that the swedish limits for accessory was low and mentioned a battering where one guy had hold the other guys jacket while it was going on he was condemned for accessory assault (or whatever the english word would be.)

They also asked what would happen if TPB wasn't condemn for anything, and what would happen to the copyright and so on then, but she hadn't thought about that and it didn't existed in her mind ...

Re:News in english about the trial: (4, Informative)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839973)

Also, bringing the tour bus home:
http://www.piratbyran.org/s23k/ [piratbyran.org] :D

I doubt they will be alone outside the court ;)

Re:News in english about the trial: (-1, Troll)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840071)

these guys don't have a hope in hell, all the speeches about fairness in copyright won't save them. they were running a site which made millions off porn advertising and it's primary product was providing links to copyright infringement.

Re:News in english about the trial: (1)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840183)

Are crowbars illegal?

Re: "Hadn't Thought about P.B. Not Convicted"?? (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840373)

Nope. This is one of the key Push Came To Shove cases ever. If they emerge from this with nothing more than some token "serve a message on your page" thing, it means that at least one country will be a partial link to 21st century music sharing.

Then all someone else has to do is chain 2 more totally obscure links togther to make a legal chain.

Re:News in english about the trial: (5, Interesting)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839957)

I thought that they had long ago tested the laws (and won) on whether the site was legal and how they couldn't end up in the slammer for this?

Even in interviews in mags and the like, they certainly came across as super-positive about potential legal issues?

Re:News in english about the trial: (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26839981)

There is a Swedish precedence regarding BBS style forums where copyrighted material was uploaded. The host of the BBS was acquitted, and this is what TPB has been leaning on so far.

Re:News in english about the trial: (5, Informative)

MoellerPlesset2 (1419023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840281)

I thought that they had long ago tested the laws (and won) on whether the site was legal and how they couldn't end up in the slammer for this?

Yes, since they haven't actually distributed any copyrighted material themselves, it makes it pretty unclear in terms of the Swedish laws.
It's worth noting that they were operating for years without any action, because the prosecutors were skeptical. The reason they got raided and subsequently prosecuted was due to political pressure coming from the Minister of Justice, who in turn was being pressured by the US government. The Pirate Bay raid led to a political scandal, since Sweden has a separation of powers between the cabinet and executive branch. IOW: A minister cannot tell his department what to do directly. While Minister Bodström wasn't found to have broken the law, it may have been a contributing factor in his party losing the election later that year.

While I'm optimistic about their chances, there are some complicating factors that make it an interesting case. For one thing, they have advertising on the site and have made money off it. Since for-profit copyright infringement is a criminal offense in Sweden, it's a question of whether they're indirectly contributing to that crime, and are therefore accessories. I believe that's the prosecution's argument, anyway.

Re:News in english about the trial: (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840377)

That may be true, but new laws regarding aiding in copyright infringement have been introduced in recent years and TPB's activities haven't been tested against those until now.

Although I suppose the TPB crew will win this, there is a chance they won't.

Re:News in english about the trial: (3, Insightful)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840041)

The trial is something of "shooting the messenger".

And the most obvious problem is that the music and movie industry did create this problem themselves by ignoring the customers and not providing the formats they wanted.

Re:News in english about the trial: (4, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840059)

And the most obvious problem is that the music and movie industry did create this problem themselves by ignoring the customers and not providing the formats they wanted.

"Free" isn't a format...

Re:News in english about the trial: (4, Interesting)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840221)

For most people it isn't about free as in beer, but rather, as Richard Stallman might say free as in freedom (although for the record he has stated that he will not own DVDs that have DRM which so far is very few published DVDs, "Freedom Downtime" from 2600 Magazine is about the only one that I can think of right now although there probably are a handful of other mainly obscure titles). If I purchase a movie then I expect to be able to make backup copies, format shift, watch on any device of my choosing in private or in the company of friends, skipping to any point on the DVD at any time (i.e. no "prohibited" operations, mandatory commercial previews, FBI warnings, and other assorted bullshit), lending the movie to my friends, as I would a book or CD, and generally enjoying my purchase in any way that I wish short of public performance or distribution. For example, I don't expect to have the right to project the movie on a screen in a public park as some people have been known to do where I live. Apparantely, that is too much to ask which is a major reason why I haven't bought any DVDs for about a year now (I have rediscovered reading, outdoor activites, and other forms of entertainment that do not involve the MAFIAA) nor have I downloaded pirated copies. I have a very low opinion of Hollywood in general and most of their movies, especially their more recent works, in particular. In fact, most of my current DVD collection consists of documentaries on various subjects, a very few hollywood films (generally in the Science Fiction and Fantasy genre, LOTR trilogy for example), and some anime (I am a fan of GITSAC and Miyazaki). I probably fit some typical Slashdot profile I suppose, but I just expect to have control over my own property and if I pay for something then it is my property damnit and all of that shrink-click-wrap license agreement bull can kiss my ass as far as I am concerned. The only reason we have crap such as "license agreement" is because of lawyers and lawsuits and consumers who are too meek to grow a pair, stand up, and demand their property rights. As long as people let companies like the MAFIAA members get away with this kind of crap then they will keep claiming ever more "rights" for themselves until somebody pushes back and tells them "no". Of course, Hollywood always donates heavily to the Democratic party and the MAFIAA has placed their goons in the Department of Justice, courtesy of the Obama Administration, so don't expect any "change that you can believe in" anytime soon on copyright or DMCA reform. Obama had better watch those MAFIAA goons he put in charge at the Department of Justice, they are a potentially massive PR liability just waiting to boil over with the young internet savy voters who pounded the pavement on the campaign trail and kept the blogs and tweets going to put him in office. Talk about slapping your supporters in the face...sheesh.

Re:News in english about the trial: (3, Informative)

jamesmcm (1354379) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840293)

The Democrats are in the **AA's pockets even more than the Republicans, hell VP Biden might might as well be on the payroll. I don't think we'll see any change here (have you seen the content filtering part [publicknowledge.org] in the broadband stimulus bill? Luckily, it didn't make it in, but I think it's a sign of things to come.

Re:News in english about the trial: (5, Insightful)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840355)

1) WOTDR
2) No, for most people, it's really about free as in beer. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that for the most part, people would literally prefer free beer over free speech.

"Hey, I'll give you a free beer if you shut the fuck up about politics."
"Sounds great!"

Re:News in english about the trial: (5, Insightful)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840479)


You'd need to back your opinion up with some serious, verified statistics to convince me. Everyone I know who pirates (which with the exception of old people, is almost everyone I know except myself - even a musician I know pirates other people's work), they pirate because they don't want to pay. Yes, they download music they wouldn't have bought otherwise (the "no lost sales argument" so popular with piracy apologists), but they also download all the movies and music they would have bought otherwise. It even hits cinemas, as I try to get mates to go to see a movie that might interest them and get the reply "downloaded it and seen it already."

The argument that piracy doesn't hurt sales and cost the companies and artists money, is false. My experience directly contradicts it.

Re:News in english about the trial: (3, Insightful)

cliffski (65094) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840527)

TPB doesnt help promote free in that sense. What it does is give you content that supposedly stallman has some ethical objection to, for free.

Its a very thinly veiled justification for getting free stuff.
TPB is NOT a political website. It's a large advertising cash generator based on redistributing everyone else's hard work. Nothing more or less.

If you hate 'the mafiaa' boycott their movies. that is your right. It is *not* your right to take them for free anyway whilst waving some crap about freedom.

Re:News in english about the trial: (5, Informative)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840405)

Bzzzt wrong... when the MP3 craze kicked off, the labels were ridiculously slow off the mark providing content in the new format... if you wanted it, then you had no choice but to rip it off a CD... then when they did start providing MP3s, they weren't proper MP3s, but proprietary DRM'd low quality crap and they were still charging the full price for what was effectively low quality crapola... so people who wanted to listen without offending their ears at the horrible encoding artifacts you get from low bitrate rips, were still forced to rip their own CDs to get quality...
MP3 sharing only really took off when dialup rates improved or people got network access on college campuses...

Re:News in english about the trial: (1)

VShael (62735) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840523)

DRM-free *is* a format, and one which experience has shown that people are willing to pay for.

When it's available.

Re:News in english about the trial: (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840509)

wow.

So if my games are distributed free by these guys in return for considerable ad revenue for them, what the fuck did I personally do to deserve that?

Or are you using half a dozen music companies as scapegoats to allow you rip off every musician, movie producer,actor,director,games programmer and software developer on earth?
Nice logic.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26839867)

Dylan Lainhart = leet haxor

THE AUSSIE LINKS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26839871)

They're back!

FINALLY!

For at least a week we've had to endure a Slashdot that hasn't been Australia-focused, but at last the agony ends!

Thank God that kdawson has returned and brought with him his precious policy of promoting Australia in any and every way possible.

While he was absent, fuckers like timothy were promoting their OWN pet causes instead of the One True Cause: AUSTRALIA!

YEEEESSSSS!!!

Soon ALL Americans will know just how FUCKING FANTASTICALLY AMAZING AUSSIE IS and will respect and admire us!

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Good than (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26839877)

Good for them for finally taking down these scumbags.

I guess it would be ok for me to take Open Source code and to close it to make it proprietary, release it on Bit-torrent with ads inserted in the program and not suffer an consequences.

Re:Good than (3, Funny)

mail2345 (1201389) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839931)

The Pirate Bay does not make their uploads. The users do.

Re:Good than (2, Interesting)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840139)

Fair enough, but isn't it possible the owners of a site called "The Pirate Bay" might be aware of what they are facilitating for their users?

Re:Good than (4, Funny)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840351)

Fair enough, but isn't it possible the owners of a site called "The Pirate Bay" might be aware of what they are facilitating for their users?

I can't find any rape or pillaging! :(

Re:Good than (1)

badfish99 (826052) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840385)

And isn't a site named after the "slashdot effect" just encouraging people to DDOS other people's servers? Which is terrorism: much worse than piracy.

Re:Good than (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26839999)

Open source "licenses" would be easy to violate with no consequences. As a license, they hold no legal merit and would not stand up in a court of law.

Re:Good than (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840481)

No idea. But I took some open source code, incorporated it into a closed source application and sold it.

Is there something wrong with doing this?

And now... (3, Insightful)

deesine (722173) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839885)

I would like to call Pirate #4 to the witness stand Your Honor... Pirates on trial -- news at 6:00...in Somalia... -

Re:And now... (5, Funny)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839961)

I would like to call Pirate #4 to the witness stand Your Honor...

Pirate 4: Yaaarrrr?

End Copyright (5, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839889)

When a law does more harm than good it needs to be abolished.

Similarly, please end drug prohibition laws.

ktnxbye.

Re:End Copyright (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839949)

I think they do understand that they can't go after the 600-700.000 swedes using TPB or the 25.000.000 worldwide, so they go after the people behind it claiming they make money on the piracy, which I'd say is pretty vague since they don't sell anything and you don't have to watch any banners or use their search or whatever. Also the visit of their website is somewhat unrelated to the actual tracker, or something =P

Re:End Copyright (4, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839977)

They're charged with being accessories to a crime. The hilarious part of that is there are no criminal copyright infringement laws in Sweden.

Re:End Copyright (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840055)

Yeah but other governments (US/UK) are probably lobbying and influencing Swedish lawmakers significantly enough to crack down on Pirates that aren't breaking any nation laws.

The majority of the movies pirated are US and UK films...who is really holding this trial?

Re:End Copyright (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840287)

Funny thing is, that's actually illegal in Sweden. They talked about it Steal This Movie, I believe - the Swedish government being influenced to change the law by foreign governments or interests is a pretty big crime.

I can't for the life of me find the specific term to cite though as I don't speak Bork.

Re:End Copyright (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840179)

They're charged with being accessories to a crime. The hilarious part of that is there are no criminal copyright infringement laws in Sweden.

Well, they charged DVD-Jon (not Sweden, Norway) under "hacking" laws for hacking access to his own DVDs. They spent three years trying to build a case that didn't fly, lost in two lowest courts and didn't even appeal to the Supreme Court, but it was also before the EUCD aka Euro-DMCA so now it's probably illegal here too. Unfortunatly I think the same will happen here, win or lose there'll probably be new laws to shut them down. You can only imagine the "a free haven for pirates, terrorists and kiddie porn" media campaign the RIAA/MPAA and friends will start against them. If they weren't part of the EU you'd probably hear saber rattling about trade sanctions from the US already.

Re:End Copyright (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840381)

When did Norway join the EU?

Re:End Copyright (1)

slygrayling (1437943) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840243)

True that, but the most ironic thing is that the Swedish court really cant acquit them. Cause then maybe Sweden will be raped by WTO. http://www.wto.org/ [wto.org]

Re:End Copyright (-1, Flamebait)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840267)

the 25.000.000 worldwide

Like in America, where we use commas to separate numeric digits!

(I know, I know, stop imperializing the poor peoples of the world consigned to those crazy, newfangled ideas like the metric system.)

Re:End Copyright (3, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839991)

When a law does more harm than good it needs to be abolished.

Similarly, please end drug prohibition laws.

ktnxbye.

This has nothing to do (really) with copyright law. These chaps are not being charged with copyright infringement. They are being charged with helpings others do it - which is an interesting pickle indeed. In effect, it's like going after a photocopier manufacturer when the users start to mainly photocopy books illegally... Oh.. wait.

There is a point to copyright law, and there is a point to drug prohibition laws. Neither of these do more harm than good. If you had content (a song for example) that was a method for you to put food on the table, you would be thinking differently about copyright laws. Similarly, if you had really been affected by drug abuse whether personally or by those close to you, you wouldn't be spouting such jibberish about ending it.

Re:End Copyright (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840025)

Neither of these do more harm than good.

Ok, clearly we disagree. Do you have an argument to make or not?

Cause if all you've got to say is "is not" then all I've got to say is "is so".

Re:End Copyright (1)

terwey (917072) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840101)

There is a point to copyright law, and there is a point to drug prohibition laws. Neither of these do more harm than good. If you had content (a song for example) that was a method for you to put food on the table, you would be thinking differently about copyright laws.

Copyright in well... all cases is more trouble then worth it. An artist should just get off it's lazy ass and tour the world, make money of it's live shows and not give a shit about cd's... oh but wait, the record label doesn't make any money then... well NOT SO MUCH THEN. So! The artist is NOT the one being screwed over, but the record label... now I don't give a rats ass about those guys. If I hear an album that I like, I go out and buy it. If I buy an album that isn't properly been pirated online yet, I rip it and upload it. Others that like it, will probably buy it too, if they don't they weren't planning on it anyway. So the whole "10 downloads is 10 lost sales" is a complete and utter bullshit argument by some record label dickhead.

Similarly, if you had really been affected by drug abuse whether personally or by those close to you, you wouldn't be spouting such jibberish about ending it.

Define drug abuse. Cause I know a shitload of people who are all either using drugs or have been in the past, some got fucked up on it and NOBODY of them says: it should be illegal cause it fucks you up. No, people need to think for themselves, besides now drugs is illegal the only distribution chain is through 'criminals' which well leads to all kinds of other shit. Oh and yeah, I used to live in Amsterdam where well, most drugs' are considered to be OK and guess what?! Drugs are not a real fuckin issue there!

Re:End Copyright (4, Insightful)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840343)

Copyright in well... all cases is more trouble then worth it. An artist should just get off it's lazy ass and tour the world, make money of it's live shows and not give a shit about cd's...

I am a programmer and I rely on copyright laws. I don't have the option to tour the world and make money off live shows of programming.

Re:End Copyright (1)

terwey (917072) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840505)

I don't have the option to tour the world and make money off live shows of programming.

I'd pay to see that ;)

Re:End Copyright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840533)

I'm a programmer as well and I do not rely on them as I am aware that piracy has little to no negative effect on software. In most cases I've seen it's found to be positive, raising awareness of good projects, teaching poor/young people to use heavy hitting tools like 3dsmax, photoshop, Visual Studio and preparing them way better than school for IT jobs.

Re:End Copyright (5, Insightful)

Danse (1026) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840111)

Neither of these do more harm than good. If you had content (a song for example) that was a method for you to put food on the table, you would be thinking differently about copyright laws. Similarly, if you had really been affected by drug abuse whether personally or by those close to you, you wouldn't be spouting such jibberish about ending it.

Right. If you've been affected by drug abuse, then you should realize exactly how useless and counter-productive drug prohibition is.
As for copyright, there's a huge gap between what serves artists and the ridiculous laws we have today. I believe there's a place for copyright law, but that it needs to be made sensible again before anyone will respect it.

Re:End Copyright (3, Insightful)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840347)

Right. If you've been affected by copyright abuse, then you should realize exactly how useless and counter-productive copyright law is.
As for drugs, there's a huge gap between what protects people and the ridiculous laws we have today. I believe there's a place for drug law, but that it needs to be made sensible again before anyone will respect it.

Re:End Copyright (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840387)

I believe there's a place for copyright law, but that it needs to be made sensible again before anyone will respect it.

Perhaps place in the hands of the creators of the work, rather than corporations. Non-transferable. Non-inheritable.

And yes, I realise that business would hate the idea. People who create, on the other hand...

Re:End Copyright (5, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840125)

If you had content (a song for example) that was a method for you to put food on the table...

The RIAA and MPAA are obsolete organizations which exist for existence's own sake, much like cancer. They pull food out of the mouths of those they represent just to feed themselves.

Similarly, if you had really been affected by drug abuse whether personally or by those close to you, you wouldn't be spouting such jibberish about ending it

Because Americans want to pay thousands of their tax dollars to incarcerate one nonviolent person for possession of marijuana. And there's nothing like a bitter, violent, now-won't-get-a-job-on-the-outside-no-second-chances prison experience to help meth and coke addicts break the behavior which serves nobody but the salaries of the prison industrial complex. Idiot.

Re:End Copyright (1)

jfim (1167051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840277)

This has nothing to do (really) with copyright law. These chaps are not being charged with copyright infringement. They are being charged with helpings others do it - which is an interesting pickle indeed. In effect, it's like going after a photocopier manufacturer when the users start to mainly photocopy books illegally... Oh.. wait.

Note however that the photocopier manufacturers don't advertise and sell based on the fact that you can copy books, they advertise the fact that your business will be more productive with a photocopier, whereas the pirate bay's website is titled "Download music, movies, games, software!"

Re:End Copyright (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840487)

I have used ALOT of drugs, I've done my share AND your share.. Many of my friends were heavy drug users. One of them Did spend about a year in prison, he's the only one who hasn't outgrown it, He drinks daily. and abuses precription drugs,

It seems to me that among all of us, the only one who didn't just grow out of it is the one that was punished for it.

I KNOW that if it had ben LEGAL the prices would have been lower, the quality more consistant, fewer unknown additives and dilutions. Also instead of huge bills for prohibition and incarceration the Government could have collected taxes on them. Also the money spent would have stayed in the economy, rather than going into black market, and getting distributed across the globe.

Re:End Copyright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840039)

I can think of a few heads of state, bank presidents, and mortgage lenders who should be in line for prosecution ahead of these folks who have a talent for distributing the products of creative expression.

My own position is that anything that destroys commercial content is a good thing -- when big media isn't profitable, we'll potentially get back to real passion and real information.

And what's wrong with fostering a culture of patronage? Lotta Silicon Valley millionaires could benefit from an album dedicated to their generosity and erudition. It's a form of advertising that really ought to come back.

I'm all for artists getting paid for their work, but it's arguably better for everyone if we go back to live artists in front of live audiences. If there must be a record of the work, let it be a limited edition (more valuable because more rare)

kill your tv, baby; throw out those popular CDs and start going out.

And I agree with the above poster about drug laws. The entities that benefit from the "war on drugs" are law enforcement (confiscation-of-property-for-profit) and the sellers (higher prices). Distribute lowcost drugs through public health agencies and make treatment available to anyone who wants to break the habit. When the incentive to sell goes away, a significant part of the consumer base will simply forget that they do drugs and we'll all be better for it. Or maybe not--- depends on whether you think advertising is effective or just a scam. Same rules apply, just different context.

Re:End Copyright (1)

damburger (981828) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840461)

My own position is that anything that destroys commercial content is a good thing -- when big media isn't profitable, we'll potentially get back to real passion and real information.

Me too. I find the idea that artists are owed a living at the expense of my freedom. If you need to get a proper job instead of me giving up my right to freely exchange information with my fellow citizens then TOUGH SHIT.

Re:End Copyright (1)

zobier (585066) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840053)

Godspeed Fredrik, Gottfrid, Peter & Carl, lycka till!

Torrents are just tools. (3, Interesting)

mail2345 (1201389) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839915)

TPB is just a torrent hosting site. Torrents are tools, just like guns - they can be used for piracy or downloading copies of a game a person lost. And the whole issue of being "accessories" of copyright infringement is pointless, like suing the gun companies if a murderer killed some one with one of their guns.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (0)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839941)

That's the most retarded analogy I've ever heard. Even for Slashdot. Couldn't you get a car in there? Come on, try.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (1)

TheDugong (701481) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839965)

Ok. It's like suing the brickworks which made the brick that was used to smash your car window so it could be stolen.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (1)

ameyer17 (935373) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840087)

More like suing the hardware store that supplied the car thief with the brick that he used to steal your car.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840175)

More like I had sex with your mother.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840263)

Go away, Dad. You're drunk.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840369)

Nah they don't even have bricks, it's like suing the hardware store, for telling the thief that there were some bricks round back, which were subsequently used to steal your car.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (4, Funny)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839979)

Ok

[it] is pointless, like suing the gun companies if a murderer killed some one [in a car] with one of their guns.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (1)

Chatsubo (807023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840155)

Great. Now we can sue Rockstar games.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (5, Interesting)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839967)

Yet they keep trying. (Just like the anti-gun nuts) I'm certainly getting sick and tired of it all, myself. You can find some nice out-of-print things on torrents, and with no DRM at the iTunes Store and Amazon MP3 store anymore, there's little incentive to get most music via torrents.

But, whatever your view on torrents and filesharing in general, it will happen even with draconian witch-hunts and overzealous (and in the US Unconstitutional) legislation and police action. And yes, I'm going to say it... the world has more pressing matters than to persecute filesharers. When you (collective government and media cartels) have solved ALL OTHER PROBLEMS in the world, maybe we'll let you finish off the whole copyright witch hunt. (I said MAYBE, asswads.) But until then, stop it. :)

If there's something someone wants (think China, South America, etc) and it's overpriced even for the US, it's going to be bootlegged and sold on the streets. China's not doing anything (in spite of the good show they put on last year) to combat this sort of thing because they don't give two ape-shits about American and European "copyrights". But they persist, like the war on Drugs, trying to eradicate something that will never go away. It's like putting toothpaste back in the tube, but they insist on wasting money. Hey, if it were all their money, I'd probably not be so irritated... but the money belongs to the creators, yet it's going to this political bullshit (like the "traffic monitoring" provisions snuck into the stimulus bill here in the States). I guess the 4th Amendment is really dead now. "Because it's for the children."

Re:Torrents are just tools. (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840165)

Depends what format you want the music in though. I am going crazy trying to find used CDs I want at the local Bookmans, luckily there is a good selection at the library so I'm not too screwed.

I hope the people bringing the trials forward have their own family's computer usage scrutinized using the same dubious techniques they will employ during the trial.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840181)

Your blather is about as convincing as someone suggesting that the prosecution of rapes be stopped because not every rape will be prosecuted and therefore the anti-rape witch hunt should stop so the government can focus on more important things.

If you want to talk about futility, how about pulling your pud in the direction of people with resources and something to lose cede their ground just because you don't want to be bothered by their efforts? Do you have any other 'oh the world is all wrong' sighs that you'd like to get off your chest or does that about cover it, hypocrite?

Re:Torrents are just tools. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840215)

The nuts are the gun supporters.

Re:Torrents are just tools. (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840497)

TPB is just a torrent hosting site. Torrents are tools, just like guns - they can be used for piracy or downloading copies of a game a person lost.

Downloading a copy of a game a person lost is copyright infringement. And do you really believe many people use bittorrent for this reason? like suing the gun companies if a murderer killed some one with one of their guns.

If I had a shop called "Sam's murder weapons", offered advice on which weapons would be best for murder, and appeared to sell guns only to people who were probable murderers, do you think that someone might ask questions? Intent is important.

No translations? Ohh PHEEEW (2, Funny)

dmomo (256005) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839917)

>>> It will be broadcast without editing or translation." .. because for a second there, I thought you were going to give me some watered down version compared to what I could get if I took a crash course in ruddy SWEDISH!

Re:No translations? Ohh PHEEEW (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840037)

But wait! There's more!

If you are successfully seduced by our satin-clad, big-titted spokesperson, you to can have Rosetta Stone! Just five easy payments of...

Re:No translations? Ohh PHEEEW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840085)

Quick! Here's a crash course in swedish:

http://www.slayradio.org/mastering_swedish.php

The RIAA's motto: (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839939)

If you can't beat 'em, litigate or prosecute the unholy frig outta them.

*sigh*

/P

Good luck (1)

COMON$ (806135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839943)

Godspeed.

Torrent? (1)

Shturmovik (632314) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839951)

I had to ask.

Freudian slip? (5, Funny)

underworld (135618) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839953)

From TFA: "Premises connected to The Pirate Bay were first raided in 2006. The complexity of the case led to delays in charges being filed and the case being bought to court."

Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840443)

Sounds more like accurate reporting to me...

I'm in shock! (1)

cyberzephyr (705742) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839969)

I realize that what people think about TPB but i feel it's a bad thing to do. But saying that, M$ is probably happy since TPB got WIN 7 out first.

Editing or translation... (3, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26839995)

It will be broadcast without editing

YAY!!!

or translation.

Oh:( I do hope some Swedish and English speaking geeks take on making a transcript and translating it. To describe my Swedish as bad would be an understatement. Non-existent is closer. I might as well be watching the Muppets (Swedish Chef).

Re:Editing or translation... (1)

roguetrick (1147853) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840185)

Yeah, lexin can only get me so far. Dra at helvete. Du luktar skitgott, or for the norwegians, Du lukter dritgodt.

Re:Editing or translation... (1)

MoellerPlesset2 (1419023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840417)

Oh:( I do hope some Swedish and English speaking geeks take on making a transcript and translating it. To describe my Swedish as bad would be an understatement.

Well, given that English has been a mandatory subject in Swedish schools since the mid-19th century, and is now mandatory starting at the third grade, I doubt it'll be a problem. :)

Here's [www8.umu.se] an example of the English Reading Comprehension part of the Swedish SAT tests. Just to give you an idea of the level of English they're expected to know.

Pirate translators needed (5, Insightful)

Mystery00 (1100379) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840023)

Some Swedish translators should add subtitles and put it up on The Pirate Bay.

If they really want the public to see the trial (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840033)

they should put it on The Pirate Bay.

The scary thing (4, Interesting)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840081)

The scary thing is that because most judges and courts don't have a clue about what a tracker is or does they might well find them guilty of something they aren't actually doing. What's next? Google and Yahoo being sued for copyright infringement?

Re:The scary thing (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840361)

The scary thing is that because most judges and courts don't have a clue about what a tracker is or does they might well find them guilty of something they aren't actually doing. What's next?

This should've been included in that 'You Are Not A Laywer' thing the other day, about legal fallacies 'techies' make.
Understanding how bittorrent and bittorrent trackers work is quite easy. Heck, there are explanations in the newspaper all the time.
Given an explanation your average person can easily understand it. Judges and lawyers tend to be a bit smarter than your average person. Add to that that it's their job to understand new situations all the time.

I think that if you go read actual rulings in these cases, you might be surprised at the depth of understanding you can find.
For one, you could well go check out the Norwegian DeCSS case ruling, which the prosecution lost. The judge had no problems understanding how CSS worked, or what the consequences were for issues like competition and fair-use rights.

This is all a big honeypot! (2, Funny)

Korbeau (913903) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840095)

Don't listen to the free streaming!! Everyone knows the Internets aren't free! And pirated content always comes with installers in weird languages. If you listen to this you are pirating the Internets, and FBI agents will come to you. Buy cable TV and get your news straight please.

Political trial (5, Informative)

castrox (630511) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840131)

This trial is guaranteed to be unfair even from the start. The EU has released the so called Medina report, already judging the defendants as guilty. The report was issued several weeks ago. This way the judges already know how to judge these individuals, so things are kept simple!

I guess this trial will mean that linking to copyright infringing material will be illegal. Possibly they will make it so it will be illegal if there's an intent which of course will be all the battle.

It's time to vote for the Pirate Party.

More info:
http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MedinaOrtega_INI-report-Copyright_JURI-consolidated [laquadrature.net]
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/copyright-dogmatism-ridiculously-strikes-european-parliament [laquadrature.net]

Greetings from a sad Swede

Re:Political trial (2, Insightful)

MoellerPlesset2 (1419023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840259)

This trial is guaranteed to be unfair even from the start. The EU has released the so called Medina report, already judging the defendants as guilty. The report was issued several weeks ago. This way the judges already know how to judge these individuals, so things are kept simple!

First, I don't see how the report does any such thing. It certainly doesn't address this case specifically.
Second - It's an EU report. It does not have any status in the Swedish legal system. Swedish judges have to follow Swedish law and precedents. If current Swedish law does not 'correctly' implement EU directives, which is what that report is about, then that's a matter for the European Court of Justice. It's certainly not something which is decided in a Tingsrätt (Swedish first-tier court) case.

Heros (5, Insightful)

CranberryKing (776846) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840195)

to the true spirit of freedom. This is the actual front for liberty today. What guts. Lots of talk, but not many are willing to take a stand like these guys.

Why didn't Napster relocate to Sweden? (1)

Alaska Jack (679307) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840257)

I understand the difference, I think, between Napster and BitTorrent. But as I understand it, both require central servers to track the locations of files. So if the music industry found it simple to shut down Napster, why is it so difficult for them to shut down TPB?

Put another way, why couldn't Napster just have relocated to a place like Sweden? Is there some technical difference I don't understand, or was it a legal/political issue?

  - Alaska Jack

Re:Why didn't Napster relocate to Sweden? (1)

xilmaril (573709) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840499)

I understand the difference, I think, between Napster and BitTorrent. But as I understand it, both require central servers to track the locations of files. So if the music industry found it simple to shut down Napster, why is it so difficult for them to shut down TPB?

Put another way, why couldn't Napster just have relocated to a place like Sweden? Is there some technical difference I don't understand, or was it a legal/political issue?

- Alaska Jack

The technical reason is that Napster is one central tracker which covered the entire napster file sharing system. The pirate bay is one of hundreds, and of at least dozens of popular sites. The bigger social reason is that relocating to the other side of the world to run your business would require loving your business more than your friends, neighbours, family, and everything in your country you enjoy. Like Lisa Simpson said, "I miss America. Sure, it has its problems, but it's got it's charm too, and mostly, it's where all our stuff is." (paraphrased)

booya (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840297)

"Operators of The Pirate Bay stand trial on Monday in Stockholm. The four defendants from the popular file-sharing web site are charged with being accessories to breaking copyright law and may face fines or up to two years in prison if found guilty. The four defendants have run the site since 2004 after it was started in 2003 by the Swedish anti-copyright organization Piratbyrån. The Swedish public service television announced that they are going to send a live audio stream from the trial. It will be broadcast without editing or translation."

Translated stream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840299)

http://trial.thepiratebay.org/2009/02/10/the-trial-will-be-streamed-live/

Sad (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840305)

I find it sad that the Swedes do a better job of displaying American values than the Americans do (and I say this as an American myself).

Re:Sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26840359)

You are deluding yourself! Here in sweden "the american values" are used to scare small children that don't behave.

In a country whit 87% total tax presure there is no room for "American values". (what ever they are? Gitmo?)

Re:Sad (1)

damburger (981828) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840473)

Only because you are arrogant enough to assume that liberty is an 'American' value. Your history says far differently.

But ... they said.... (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#26840519)

I thought everyone said that what the pirate bay does is legal in Sweden. Has the internets lied to me?
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