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Competition For the App Store Is Mounting

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the playing-catch-up dept.

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MojoKid writes "Right now the only real 'competition' to Apple's App Store is the Android Market. Presently, anyone using an Android-based phone can download applications from the Android Market, which first started offering free applications in October '08. A drawback to Android application developers, however, is the fact that the potential Android Market user base is fairly small right now, as there is presently only one Android phone available, the T-Mobile G1. However, in the coming months we're also going to see more app stores come online for additional smartphone platforms. Nokia will officially launch an app store for its Symbian OS-based smartphones at Mobile World Congress on Monday. Microsoft is also getting in the game for smartphones that run the Windows Mobile OS, with Steve Ballmer delivering the keynote speech at Mobile World Congress as well."

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Third-party app stores are coming, too! (4, Interesting)

radimvice (762083) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854643)

The company I work for launched a public beta of our third-party app store this week, called Xpressed [xpressed.com] (the site is brand new, so feedback is welcome). Unlike the app stores mentioned in this article, it's a true "third-party" app store meaning that we're unaffiliated with any device manufacturer or carrier, and so we plan to support any and all phones out on the market that allow applications to be downloaded and installed from non-proprietary websites. Right now this pretty much means most of the Java-based phones on the market (several hundred current phones, plus the hundreds more old and obsolete devices).

It will be interesting to see which model wins out after all of the industry players have their say in this growing application space - whether manufacturer-supported app stores (presumably) integrated with the devices themselves will continue to dominate, or whether third-party app stores like Xpressed will be able to find a footing, especially among developers targeting their apps across multiple platforms.

Re:Third-party app stores are coming, too! (1)

alsutton (218963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854783)

"Right now this pretty much means most of the Java-based phones on the market"...

If you think it's limited to J2ME 'phones then have a look at AndAppStore.com who've been offering Android apps for months and aren't Google affiliated in any way.

Re:Third-party app stores are coming, too! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26855253)

I'm glad I don't have a whole country full of deceitful, greedy kikes stealing all my water and land anywhere near me. Fucking Jews can't just live in peace. They have to steal other people's land. Our national economy is collapsing from the Jewbanks doing their usual Jewthing. You see, with Jews, you lose. That's how THEY win. They WIN by making YOU lose. So let's lose the Jews.

Why in the fuck are our precious taxpayer dollars going to some shitty slit of land for some Jews? Global warming could be swiftly solved if we just incinerated all of them. Their ashes would be ejected into the upper atmosphere, where they would block some sunlight from hitting the earth. The international economy would improve thanks to the absence of Jewish predatory lending, and it would buy us time to deal with climate change. Two birds, one stone.

All of our politicians bend over and take it in the ass for Israel because a bunch of fat, rich Jews whose parents were nowhere near Nazi Germany have guilted the US into giving away tax dollars to support an aggressive genocide. These Israeli bastards hide behind the cloak of "never again" at any cost. They are willing to even be as damning as the Nazis before them just to preserve their artificial state given to them by the then and always spineless UN.

I don't see the US giving African Americans their own state and supporting it with billions in tax dollars. I don't see the Irish getting support in Northern Ireland by the US after being treated like shit in the US. It took a nuclear bomb on Japan totally unrelated to the internment camps in the US for the Japanese to get a US protected country. Why are the Jews so special? Their population in the US is 5 million, less than the total population of New York City, yet their influence is comparable to China diplomatically.

I say fuck Israel and its racist Jews. Pull out all funding and weapons and let them work it out on their own. Perhaps then we could focus on actual third-world countries and at least lend a REAL helping hand instead of helping Israel engage in the annihilation of the Palestinians. Between them the blame and fault goes both ways but I'll be damned if I will support a bunch of crybabies with US grade weapons attacking what amounts to a third world country in their backyard by bringing the Nazis into it once again. Prominent Jews once again go on playing the victim no matter where in the food chain they are.

Re:Third-party app stores are coming, too! (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857169)

Me too! Wait, what? Shouldn't you be shitting this out on CNN or NYTimes or something at least tangentially related to your little copypasta screed?

Re:Third-party app stores are coming, too! (1)

radimvice (762083) | more than 5 years ago | (#26858185)

If you think it's limited to J2ME 'phones then have a look at AndAppStore.com who've been offering Android apps for months and aren't Google affiliated in any way.

Java != J2ME. The Android platform is most certainly also Java-based, even though it's a little different from Sun's CLDC/MIDP/J2ME platform, and third-party app stores can definitely support those devices as well, as we also have plans to down the road.

Re:Third-party app stores are coming, too! (3, Informative)

Animaether (411575) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855121)

Although I would say that your 'app store' isn't so much an 'app store' as a 'game store', I think my biggest beef with all of the 'app stores' out there is that they already existed in one form or another.

One of the biggest sites for mobile downloads, for example, is Handango. It carries utilities, tools, games, etc. for all of the open platforms (e.g. no iPhone, obviously).

So the availability has never been a problem, and opening a new 'app store' that does much the same isn't going to make things much better.
( I will say, though, that judging by the flashy banners, you guys are at least offering a little extra (e.g. the subscription plan and the app that will let users keep an eye on apps from their own mobile device )

The reason the Apple app store is as successful as it is, is because you can manage everything from that single site - browsing, buying, downloading, installing. Once installed, it's also guaranteed to *work* on your mobile device; yes, I know, that's rather easy since there only really is 1 'device', but if you keep in mind how many of the apps for, say, Windows Mobile come in at least 2 different flavors just to deal with square display vs 4:3 display devices, not to mention the resolution separation, then a user easily gets lost.

Thankfully, you were smart enough to add a filter-by-phone so that only compatible games are listed... but then you have to make absolutely sure you get (or collect) the correct information and you have to keep up-to-date on all of the different phone models out there... that's nearly a day-job for one of your staff.

Anyway - good luck with the site, it looks polished (I'm not a big fan of the animated bits, but I know your target audience is), the featureset and what-does-it-offer-extra-over-other-sites looks pretty good (for those who missed it - click on a game, there's a good chance you can play it on-line for 10 minutes so you can decide whether or not it's something you'd like to actually buy... that's brilliant), it's a bit slow to navigate at the moment but that might just be other slashdotters eating your bandwidth a bit.

Re:Third-party app stores are coming, too! (2, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855435)

The reason the Apple app store is as successful as it is, is because you can manage everything from that single site - browsing, buying, downloading, installing. Once installed, it's also guaranteed to *work* on your mobile device; yes, I know, that's rather easy since there only really is 1 'device', but if you keep in mind how many of the apps for, say, Windows Mobile come in at least 2 different flavors just to deal with square display vs 4:3 display devices, not to mention the resolution separation, then a user easily gets lost.

Well, if Apple ever wants to upgrade its iPhone's display resolution for play with the form factor, hopefully the API can handle that easily enough without most apps having overlapping elements and the like. But I'm sure that apps will eventually have compatibility icons for which versions of the iPhone its guaranteed to work with (when there are more versions in the future).

Truth be told, I'm surprised Apple doesn't ship an App Store with regular OS X computers by now. It would basically be their version of a repository, so reduce possibilities of malware by going to 3rd party sites plus I know enough people who have problems installing Apple programs (yes, they are that computer illiterate). It would make the newbs completely comfortable with buying, downloading, installing, and deciding whether to have the icon in the dock (with a checkmark) in one shot. Plus, it probably would drive some extra life into developing for the Mac - especially if developers don't have to bother with their own website and can expect decent payback.

Re:Third-party app stores are coming, too! (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855771)

Well, if Apple ever wants to upgrade its iPhone's display resolution for play with the form factor, hopefully the API can handle that easily enough without most apps having overlapping elements and the like. But I'm sure that apps will eventually have compatibility icons for which versions of the iPhone its guaranteed to work with (when there are more versions in the future).

It's been a while since I was reading about the iPhone SDK but IIRC it's both possible and recommended to write your apps in a resolution-independent manner although I'm sure there are people out there doing things that would make Apple's engineers wonder if they're deliberately trying to make sure their apps AREN'T resolution independent...

/Mikael

Re:Third-party app stores are coming, too! (2, Interesting)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857385)

Handango is currently severely broken, now that it requires you to specify which mobile device you are using, even if all that is relevant is what version of the OS you are using.

I should be able to specify that I want to see All applications compatible with Windows Mobile 6 PPC (as opposed to Windows Mobile Smartphone which ironically refers to phones without touchscreens (i.e. what most people would call dumb-phones)), including the applications that require the presence of a phone.

As it is right now, if I go to select my device it is listed in the system under two different names (same phone hardware, but different branding, and small case-only differences). Both of these are include only a subset of all compatible software Handango sells, and more annoyingly both names for the same phone do not result in the same list of applications.

Malware? (1)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855581)

I am hesitant to download free stuff to me mobile that hasn't been checked for malware. It would be wise to require some modicum of accountability from the developers whose app you sell - if you were to spread malware you'd face on huge PR storm..

Re:Malware? (2, Informative)

EvilNTUser (573674) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855735)

I am hesitant to download free stuff to me mobile that hasn't been checked for malware.

How about free as in freedom? [sourceforge.net]

Re:Malware? (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857621)

Do you audit all of the open source software you use? Sure, you COULD, but you don't. You probably have better things to do with your time, though I do wonder about some zealots some times.

Not because there's only 1 (3, Insightful)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854679)

A drawback to Android application developers, however, is the fact that the potential Android Market user base is fairly small right now, as there is presently only one Android phone available, the T-Mobile G1.
No, there's only one iPhone too... the drawback is that no one wants a G1, because it's a cheep plasticy lump of crap.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26854713)

iPhone 3G vs. iPhone 2.5G

Re:Not because there's only 1 (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854757)

Eh, I have one. It's really not that bad. Anyway, you neglect to mention that the G1 has only been available for 4 months, and in two countries - contrast with the iPhone which has been around since 2007 and has had international presence for much longer.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (4, Informative)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855219)

I've had an iPhone, and currently own a T-Mobile G1. In short, Android is a solid competitor (the only competitor IMO) to the iPhone OS. The actual G1 phone however, sucks big time, as GP suggests, though he didn't get close as to why:

- The speaker slot gets clogged with lint, and now I have trouble hearing the phone
- While the camera has auto-focus and more pixels than iPhone, HTC screwed up with a crappy lens that ruins all photos
- There's no headphone jack. Instead, HTC provides crappy headphones using a non-standard extension to the micro-USB jack
- The phone is too thick, and not nearly as sleek or well designed or packaged as the iPhone
- The battery is tiny in comparison to the iPhone.

Basically, some US company (Qualcom? T-Mobile?) must have said "Here's the specs for you, HTC", and then HTC delivered on the specs, but screwed up the phone.

While there are fewer users of the G1, there are proportionally fewer developers. Many of the best application spaces are already dominated on iPhone, while they're still open on Android. I believe that future Android phones will gain in market share vs iPhone, making development for Android a wise choice.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (2, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855381)

One important thing for developers is that you can develop on any platform for the G1 with the G1 dev kit.

You have to purchase an Apple computer to develop for the iPhone.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (3, Informative)

lunartik (94926) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856457)

I have a G1 and an iPod touch. If I am somewhere with wifi I find myself using the iPod to surf the net or check email. I thought I would prefer the G1 for the keyboard, but I don't think it's interface is that great, the apps I get are either buggy, not very useful or not very well done and it seems to hang a lot.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (2, Interesting)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857535)

You say the G1 phone "sucks big time". And I suppose for you, that's the case. However, I feel exactly the opposite about mine.

I don't mind the thickness, as I vastly prefer the tactile response of the slide-out keyboard vs. the on-screen only iPhone.

As far as the camera, I haven't taken the first picture, I have a real camera for that.

The headphone jack dongle doesn't particularly bother me though, I do admit, I'd like to be able to charge the phone and listen to tunes at the same time.

As far as the battery, you're right on. The phone should last at least twice as long per charge.

Though you didn't mention it, some people take issue with the little blackberry-esque trackball. Personally I love it. Again, it's the tactile response I like. It's great for browsing the web and I also think it works well for games.

For the overall design, it isn't the greatest but I've seen much worse on some Windows Mobile devices. It's just the bar was set so high by the iPhone, it's hard to come up with something to top it. As a side note, the bend in the bottom where the trackball and buttons are, is perfect for protecting the trackball when your phone is in a case so I think it was better to put it there than to just leave the phone straight, aesthetics be damned. Some may disagree.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (1)

alsutton (218963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854805)

My problem with the G1 is it just "feel" right. I have a G1 and a Sony Ericsson c702 and I find I use the c702 all the time, and the G1 only sees the light of day when someone asks me what it's like.

It's bulky, there no virtual keyboard so you need to pop the keyboard to type anything, it's camera is pretty poor, and Android is sluggish on it (sometimes I need to tap two or three times to get a response to something, and I know the phone has detected the press because the icon flashes).

But who knows, but the time Android is right for the prime time, we may all have bought Nokias :) :) :)

Re:Not because there's only 1 (4, Interesting)

ivucica (1001089) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854877)

I for one extremely dislike virtual keyboards. It's quite clumsy to type on them, unless you have a stylus, and even then I'd prefer Graffiti. I don't mean Graffiti-like method, I mean Graffiti; both Graffiti2 from Palm and Letter Recognizer from MS are bad. Transcriber may be interesting ... if I only wanted to enter English text. In full. All the time.

I use acronyms, I use Croatian language, I use programming language keywords and variable names. I don't enter plain English text.

Graffiti is the best entry method to date, seconded by physical keyboards of any format.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (4, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855689)

I for one extremely dislike virtual keyboards. It's quite clumsy to type on them, unless you have a stylus, and even then I'd prefer Graffiti.

Not to mention that they are impossible to use by blind people, and hard to use by visually-impaired people.

Sure, I know Slashdot readers don't give a fuck about the needs of impaired people - but it's a minority that has otherwise great potential. I'd love to see manufacturers targeting specifically blind and visually-impaired people as part of their strategy.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (1)

EvilNTUser (573674) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855877)

I'd love to see manufacturers targeting specifically blind and visually-impaired people as part of their strategy.

They're called "keypads". You may have heard of them. Most phones even have voice dial.

OMG blind people can't use all technologies! Society is putting someone down AGAIN!

Re:Not because there's only 1 (3, Interesting)

Rutefoot (1338385) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856121)

Blind and visually impaired people are a small fraction of the population. There is a much larger market being neglected with many touch screen systems.

People who don't live in sunny California who have to wear gloves for part of the year. It's actually been the deciding factor around our Toronto office when coworkers have been picking their new smart phone. Most have been opting for non-touch screen phones, or the Blackberry Storm. The inability to use the iPhone without hassle while you're on the go has ruined its chances of entering the business market.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (2, Insightful)

lunartik (94926) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856481)

People who don't live in sunny California who have to wear gloves for part of the year. It's actually been the deciding factor around our Toronto office when coworkers have been picking their new smart phone. Most have been opting for non-touch screen phones, or the Blackberry Storm. The inability to use the iPhone without hassle while you're on the go has ruined its chances of entering the business market.

I live in a cold weather area and I have never owned a cellphone that I could use properly with gloves on.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (1)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856355)

Take a modern smartphone, with physical buttons for every letter. A blind person could feel his way around the buttons to type something, but how often are they going to? Why send SMS back and forth, only to have the phone use text-to-speech to read it out, why not just call the person in the first place?

Someone who's merely visually impaired might actually be better served with a virtual keyboard; the iPhone's keys are not only larger than the Blackberries I've seen, it zooms in on the key you're pressing so you see what's about to be typed (if it's wrong, keep pressing while you move your finger to the correct key).

There are lots of impaired people with great potential, not just the blind, but not everything can be adapted for every impairment. In most places blind people also cannot drive a car. Stephen Hawking will never be able to use an iPhone or other smartphone practically.

The size limitations of the typical smartphone, never mind the all-visual iPhone, severely hampers their utility to the truly blind. And there are already mobile devices specifically for them [engadget.com]

Re:Not because there's only 1 (1)

FrostDust (1009075) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856925)

While it'd be impractical (or, at least, undesired) to use a QWERTY for that hypothetical user, I'm wouldn't say every vision-impaired user loathes texting. Also, every phone I've seen with a keypad has a little nub on the 5 key, so that you can dial without looking at the keypad. Voice dialing isn't perfect, and touch screen only phones don't have a way to physically represent where a number key is.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857719)

I have only briefly played with the demo Storm in the store, but given that you have to click for the button to count, it would be trivial for the keyboard to be updated so that it said the key that was selected (but not yet clicked). The blind could easily run their finger across the screen and stop when they got to the letter they wanted. Then click. So, touch phones certainly can be made to work for the blind. The gloved will be a harder minority to serve.

Re:Not because there's only 1 (1)

wfWebber (715881) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854927)

I'm the other way around. I bought a developer phone (basically an unlocked G1) to see if it would be a reasonable platform to develop for. I switched from my HTC Touch HD (which I thought was one of the best phones around) and haven't looked back since. This is the phone that feels great. It's fast, it has a shitload of great little apps and hasn't let me down once so far. I've tried Symbian, WinMo and all kinds of other stuff, but Android really works best. Of course the G1 has issues; the battery sucks big time and it could have been half it size. The moment that's fixed, the competition really has something to watch out for.

offtopic I know but (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26854699)

/. is genius. They've made the homepage like the comments. It's nice to be able to hide comments but cmon guys, if I want to read a stories comments I click on the title of the story. Having that hide the story is just a user interface nightmare! Sorry for the offtopic..

Jewish Allies? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26854707)

I am sick of this Jewish bullshit. Why the fuck are our precious taxpayer dollars going to some bullshit piece of shit slit of land for some Jews. All our politicians have to basically bend over and take it in the ass for Israel because a bunch of fat rich jews whose parents were nowhere near Nazi Germany have guilted the US into giving away tax dollars to support an aggressive genocide. These Israeli bastards hide behind the cloak of "never again" at any cost. They are willing to even be as damning as the Nazis before them just to preserve their artificial state given to them by the then and always spineless UN. I don't see the US giving African Americans their own state and supporting it with billions in tax dollars. I don't see the Irish getting support in Northern Ireland by the US after being treated like shit in the US. It took a nuclear bomb on Japan totally unrelated to the interment camps in the US for the Japanese to get a US protected country. Why are the Jews so special. Their population in the US is 5 million, less than the total population of New York City yet their influence is comparable to China diplomatically. I say fuck Israel and it's racist Jews. Pull out all funding and weapons and let them work it out on their own. Perhaps we could focus on actually 3rd world countries and fix up and at least lend a REAL helping hand instead of helping Israel engage in the annihilation of the Palestinians. Between them the blame and fault goes both ways but i'll be damned if I will support a bunch of crybabies with US grade weapons attack what amounts to a third world country in their backyard by bringing the Nazis into it once again. Prominent Jews once again go on playing the victim no matter where in the food chain they are.

Re:Jewish Allies? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26854721)

A. You're an idiot.
B. Shut up.
C. Your ignorance is astounding. Go read some history.

Re:Jewish Allies? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26855179)

If you're going to reply to a troll, at least post something with some substance and not just "NO YUO"

Re:Jewish Allies? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26855163)

I'm glad I don't have a whole country full of deceitful, greedy kikes stealing all my water and land anywhere near me. Fucking Jews can't just live in peace. They have to steal other people's land. Our national economy is collapsing from the Jewbanks doing their usual Jewthing. You see, with Jews, you lose. That's how THEY win. They WIN by making YOU lose. So let's lose the Jews.

Global warming could be swiftly solved if we incinerated all of the Jews. Their ashes would be ejected into the upper atmosphere, where they would block some sunlight from hitting the earth. The economy would improve thanks to the absence of Jewish predatory lending, and it would buy us time to deal with climate change. Two birds, one stone.

Fun with Facts:

  • Isreal has a Jewish population of 5,309,000.
  • America has a Jewish population of 5,275,000.

Guess who really owns America? Hint hint, it isn't the Americans.

Malware sites (3, Informative)

Macrat (638047) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854719)

And how long before the malware stores pop up for the unsuspecting?

That's at least one benefit to a manufacturer run app store.

RIM has its own App Store, too (4, Informative)

javipas (1086007) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854729)

The company announced some months ago its own version of the App Store for BlackBerry, the BlackBerry Application StoreFront [rim.com]

Re:RIM has its own App Store, too (1)

rgelb1 (472797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857245)

I signed up for it and was approved, but it is not yet opened. I couldn't get a solid date either.

Microsoft might have a chance, but... (2, Interesting)

mlts (1038732) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854749)

I can see MS making an app store, but the rub is to get people to be using Windows Mobile based smartphones. So, the key is to get Nokia, LG, and other cellphone makers who are using JVMs on their low end phones to move to WM as the OS of choice. These are the cellphones that people obtain for free with a one or two year service contract, such as Motorola RAZRs. The trick is to get the phones out there in volume. I don't know if this can be done, though.

Once WM is very common, as opposed to now where it pretty much is in a limited selection of phones, both Microsoft, and the WM app makers would benefit. Windows Mobile is a decent platform to write code on. It does require signed code for smartphones for the most part (less with PocketPC devices), but app makers can buy their own certificates and do the distribution themselves.

Re:Microsoft might have a chance, but... (1, Interesting)

Shag (3737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855069)

Once WM is very common, as opposed to now where it pretty much is in a limited selection of phones, both Microsoft, and the WM app makers would benefit

Same question I posed to the guy who said things would change once Android gained market share: what circumstances are going to change that will cause WM to gain market share?

Also, OS X is in a very limited selection of phones. Ditto Android. I can name those phones, as can probably all Slashdotters and I suspect a decent number of people on the street who don't even have smartphones could, too. What phones run WM? Uh... I think some Palms do. Other than that, I have no idea. And my life doesn't seem less rich and fulfilling for not knowing.

Re:Microsoft might have a chance, but... (1)

shar303 (944843) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855505)

Palm make great wm phones - treos are tough as hell

the best thing about all wm phones (especially wm6) is that the battery life is superb, even if you're listening to music a lot. this is my main priority really.

i had an iphone(3g) for about a week before it went back to the shop - lovely animations but it seemed to drop calls and ran out of juice too soon. not really practicable as such.

once a better range of android phones emerges i might have to try one.

Re:Microsoft might have a chance, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26855947)

A ton of phones run WM (a bunch from HTC, some from LG, Sony Ericsson etc.). My HTC TyTN II runs WM, and can also run Android :D

Re:Microsoft might have a chance, but... (1)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857495)

AIUI the android support for any HTC devices is currently limited. On the Titan (a.k.a. 6800 or Mogul) (not to be confused with the TyTN), the system runs, but is basically not usable yet due to lack of drivers for a fair amount of the hardware, but phone calls do work.

Also HTC is nearly the exclusive manufacturer of Windows Mobile PPC phones, (as opposed to the touchscreen less Windows Mobile "Smartphones"). I'm aware of no more than five Windows Mobile PPC phones made by other companies.

Re:Microsoft might have a chance, but... (2, Informative)

timmyf2371 (586051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855281)

If Nokia's low-end handsets were powerful enough, they would be running S60 with full multi-tasking. Not S40 and certainly not Windows Mobile.

Re:Microsoft might have a chance, but... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855423)

Middle-range ones are getting there, E50 for example, which can be had for 100 now, new, without contract. Or practically free with one.

As for the TRUE low-end...remember that's not a typical phone that people in the western world get with their contracts; they're getting middle-range. Low-end means Nokia 1100, 1200, 1208, etc. And I kinda like them the way they are... (exceptionally good not only if all you need is phonecalls & sms, also for second/emergency phone/backpacking)

Re:Microsoft might have a chance, but... (1)

timmyf2371 (586051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855797)

By low-end I suppose I was really referring to those handsets which currently run S40. But you are correct - there are even more low-end/"basic" handsets which are exceptionally good for battery life & basic voice/text usage.

I've just ditched my 3rd Windows Mobile (4, Interesting)

footnmouth (665025) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855513)

Over the last 10 years I've had 3 different versions of Windows Mobile and every time initial "shinyness" has worn off very quickly to be replaced by annoyance at stupid, stupid user experience mistakes.

The worst of these is Windows constant delivery of messages to the user. On a desktop the "you have unused desktop icons" bubble is annoying - on a Windows mobile device, a bubble that takes the user focus away from, say
  • typing an SMS
  • typing a number
  • typing a note
  • accepting a call

is a serious barrier to usage.

The other thing that finally caused me to switch to a Crackberry (which is fantastic) was that it would crash on receiving a call occasionally - brilliant. It was the HTC Tytan if anybody cares.

Re:Microsoft might have a chance, but... (1)

CountBrass (590228) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855905)

I think you're wrong.

The kind of people not prepared to pay for a premium 'phone are unlikely to be prepared to pay for apps.

Call me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26854751)

when I can just do an "apt-get install" to my smartphone.

Re:Call me... (3, Interesting)

migla (1099771) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854795)

Re:Call me... (1)

thetartanavenger (1052920) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854829)

The freerunner has issues. A friend of mine has one and the most notable thing is I can barely hear him because of the interference it causes/picks up permanantly.

Re:Call me... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855413)

You can also install Debian on the unlocked G1, or on one of the locked models if you have the firmware with the root exploit.

Re:Call me... (1)

ptx0 (1471517) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854861)

The iPhone jailbreak process installs Cydia, which is a GUI frontend for aptitude, which was ported to the platform by Jay (Gordon) Freeman. Once Cydia's installed, you can install Terminal.app to have a command prompt and 'apt-get' to your heart's desire.

Welcome (1)

UnixUnix (1149659) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854799)

I have been happy with my BlackBerry for years, and no, I have not been tempted by iPhone. As Android phones come of age and become competitive, however, I'm sure I'll give them a look.

Is it? (4, Insightful)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854801)

I don't really have a dog in this fight - my brother owns an iPod Touch and I have a Blackberry Curve - but it doesn't seem to me that there's much competition on any front for Apple's App Store. For most of the smart phones I wouldn't even consider buying software (I don't think my Curve delivers an experience that I want - I would rather use other portable devices to do what software could do).

The one thing that may be able to mount a challenge is the DSi's app store - but here in Japan where the DSi is already out, I am not really getting the impression that it is a must have feature.

Until someone is even mildly successful in the area, no one competition is really "mounting" for the app store.

Only one Android phone? So what (2, Insightful)

Servo (9177) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854819)

There is only one iPhone, but App developers haven't stopped producing. I like the G1 better than the iPhone since it includes a slide-out keyboard and still packs in all the other features of an iPhone. Once the G1 has been around for longer and Android gets more market share I expect the Android Market to go head to head with the App Store.

Re:Only one Android phone? So what (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855037)

Once the G1 has been around for longer and Android gets more market share I expect the Android Market to go head to head with the App Store.

The G1 being around longer seems likely to happen, but I don't know whether that necessarily translates to Android getting more market share. Not saying it won't - the increasing popularity of smartphones is a rising tide that lifts all boats - but I'm not sure what circumstances will change to make it dominant.

Re:Only one Android phone? So what (2, Informative)

Servo (9177) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855167)

Dominant and competitive are two separate beasts. The G1, or Android in general, need not dominate the market to be successful.

Re:Only one Android phone? So what (2, Interesting)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855769)

There is only one iPhone, but with some 12M users plus iPod Touch owners as well is a much larger customer base. We've been looking at support for mobile smart phones recently and hands down the iPhone became the priority 1 application to develop for followed by a generic mobile version of our site for everyone else.

Re:Only one Android phone? So what (1)

mrjohnson (538567) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856759)

iPhone sites work great on the Android. :-)

Just give it up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26854841)

I don't see why companies even bother. In the US, Apple completely dominates the market, forcing Blackberry and Windows Mobile to be bit players at best. Outside the US, it it just a matter of time before Symbian and other platforms join PalmOS as interesting historical tidbits.

Its just like the MP3 player market. There is the iPod with almost all the market. Then there are players fighting for the scraps Apple left behind.

Re:Just give it up... (1, Interesting)

ptx0 (1471517) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854883)

Usually it's not so much the 'scraps' left behind by Apple as the groups that either dislike Apple, or have such a hardon for open-source software and standards that they won't succumb to it.

For instance, whenever asking someone why they have X brand audio device instead of Apple, the answer is "Apple is too expensive", "it doesn't play OGG", "Apple sucks".. Sure, Apple likes to maintain tight control on everything they sell. Sure, Apple likes profits, but who doesn't these days?

Once Apple realises that they can make even more money and have greater market share by reducing prices (maybe drop the price of every computer by $1000, and every audio device/phone by $200), then their marketing will be that much more effective. The problem with Apple vs. Microsoft is justifying spending $2000 on an OS. That's all you're doing. Any Apple machine can be found in Microsoft land with similar specs for 1/4th the cost.

Re:Just give it up... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854923)

That's all you're doing. Any Apple machine can be found in Microsoft land with similar specs for 1/4th the cost.

Show me another machine with the specs of the MBP that is as thin and cool.

Apple has many flaws, but they do make some nice hardware.

With that said, the low-end Apple machines are overpriced, but the high-end machines are priced about right for their functionality.

Re:Just give it up... (1)

ptx0 (1471517) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854961)

I was mostly referring to desktop or server hardware, but notebook-wise, it's still a huge rip-off. Here are two alternatives:

It's not 1/4th the price, but it is also not $2799; How about the Voodoo Envy [voodoopc.com] ? Or the Dell Studio [dell.com] ($799 CAD)?

If by "thin and cool", you mean "trendy fashion statement that runs OS X", then no, these machines are not for you.. I mean, they might run OS X. But if you meant a machine that has a favourable price per performance ratio, forget the MBP. It's just not worth it.
If you don't mind using a 15.4" LCD instead of 17", the Lenovo T61p is a nice machine (Oh, and it includes firewire [arstechnica.com] !)

Re:Just give it up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26854999)

All Macbook Pro's have Firewire800.

Re:Just give it up... (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855149)

It's not 1/4th the price, but it is also not $2799; How about the Voodoo Envy? Or the Dell Studio ($799 CAD)?
If by "thin and cool", you mean "trendy fashion statement that runs OS X", then no, these machines are not for you.

Let's leave the ill-defined "cool" out of it, and just go with the first two-thirds of the AC's request:

"Show me another machine with the specs of the MBP that is as thin..."

The Voodoo Envy 133 is a 13.3" laptop, which makes it more of a would-be competitor for the MacBook Air, not the MacBook Pro.

The Dell Studio 17" ranges from 1.18" (30mm) to 1.69" (43mm) thick, compared to the 17" MacBook Pro's 0.98" (25mm), and starts off more than a pound heavier.

So you suggested a system that clearly doesn't have anything resembling the specs of the MBP, and one that clearly isn't as thin... did you misunderstand his request? ;)

Re:Just give it up... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855157)

How about the Voodoo Envy?

I don't know, they don't seem to have a picture of it. Does it exist?

Or the Dell Studio ($799 CAD)?

Genuine Windows Vista® operating system

Seriously, though, that thing is as huge and thick as my HP/Compaq Mobile Workstation. The MBP is slim. You have failed to read or perhaps just to understand my comment. Please try harder.

If by "thin and cool", you mean "trendy fashion statement that runs OS X", then no, these machines are not for you..

I don't much care about OSX, although I won't run Vista. But by "thin and cool" I meant physically. The MBP generates less heat than my laptop (less graphics, to be fair, but even I don't need a quadro) and is WAY WAY THINNER and gets WAY BETTER BATTERY LIFE and oh by the way is MORE DURABLE. My machine has the same specs as a first-gen MBP, but it's no fucking Apple.

Apple has made their share of shit hardware, and in the 68k days I messed around with them for a while, then threw up my hands in disgust and went with PCs. Now Apple makes PCs, and they make nice ones. They are not more expensive than other machines like them, because there are no other machines like them. And you may claim that wanting a thinner, lighter laptop is a cosmetic decision, but you're wrong. It also takes up less space in a bag meaning you have to carry less shit. Also, many of the PC laptops (including my Lemonesque nw9440 which HP is finally replacing with a 8730w) that are actually as capable really should never be run without their dock or a stand as they produce too much heat. Finally, FW800 FTW!

Lenovo has been ratcheting back quality since the IBM handoff, and I don't think I'd actually buy their shit now (not that I would buy an HP, either.)

Re:Just give it up... (1)

ray_mccrae (78654) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855383)

             Voodoo Envy                Dell Studio 17                17" MacBook Pro
CPU            1.6GHz                    2.16GHz                        2.66GHz
FSB            800Mhz                    667Mhz                        1066MHz
Cache          4MB                        1MB                            6MB
Memory          2GB DD2                    2GB DD2                        4GB DD3
Hard Drive      80 GB                    250 GB                        320 GB
Graphics    Intergrated Intel X3100    Intergrated Intel 4500MHD    NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

Price         $1,899.99                $799                        $2,799.00

In what possible sense could these be called equivalents. This whole clam of PC's being 1/4 of the price of a Mac is all smoke and mirrors and that's even before you consider other innovations that apple has built in like the uni-body and the 8 hour battery life.

Re:Just give it up... (1)

ptx0 (1471517) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855405)

And the DRM, and the kill switches, and the FUD..

I really do not see how that MBP is worth $2800.

Re:Just give it up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26855455)

What DRM and kill switches on the MBP?
It's not an iPhone.

Re:Just give it up... (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855521)

Show me another machine with the specs of the MBP that is as thin and cool.

Usually when people say this they have a very specific feature - or combination of features - that are unique to Apple machines in mind. Which ones are yours ?

However, one excellent alternative to the MBP is Dell's E6400. You can even attach it to a docking station, which for my money is an infinitely more important feature than a tenth of inch more thickness (particularly for the price).

I will admit they're not as pretty, however.

Re:Just give it up... (2, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856193)

I think the previous poster was trolling. If not, then they are just engaging in wishful thinking if they believe Apple can drop prices hundreds or thousands of dollars and make it up in volume.

Show me another machine with the specs of the MBP that is as thin and cool.

This is exactly what starts yet another in the unstoppable chain of price and feature comparisons between Apple and other vendors and it is pointless in the extreme. No one here is going to do a comprehensive look or be able to find machines that are truly comparable not only in bullet point features but in hardware reliability, included support, and integration all of which are important to the value of the end product.

There have been studies performed on this topic already. I wish I had a good one handy. The best was the Consumer Reports one, but you need a subscription. In any case, the verdict is in. Macs cost more than the average PC by about 15%, which is to say about the same amount as other "premium" vendors like Sony, but Apple manages to win on reliability and support every year by a significant margin. (It's up to the individual to decide if that is worth it to them and hey, props to Dell for the massive improvements to their laptop reliability in the last year.) Apple undercuts other vendors a little bit on the low end and overcharges a bit more on the high end and on upgrade parts.

Now people need to get over it. Whether you are a fanboy or a hater, just give it up. Digging up prices and stats online, once is useless. You can't get a large enough sample size to be useful, you can't properly compare features that don't show up in the marketing literature, and your results will vary widely based upon when in the release cycles you make the comparison.

Please never, ever, ever, ever again ask someone to show you another machine that compares to MacFoo from Apple. It just leads to another long, pointless thread.

Re:Just give it up... (2, Insightful)

jaseuk (217780) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855271)

Apple's biggest cock-up is restricting carrier choice. I own an iPod touch and the platform is excellent, I'd love to have an iPhone but the UK Operator 02 has notoriously bad reception in my area. For business use we have established contracts and call rates as well as supporting infrastructure to reduce the cost of our calls from office to mobile. We are not going to change all that simply to get a new phone. We pay around £300 for our SmartPhones, hardware cost is not really the issue.

Jason

Re:Just give it up... (2, Interesting)

ptx0 (1471517) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855297)

Just to clarify, I'm not anti-Apple; I'm anti-Jobs. His wishes to keep Apple extremely exclusive are what is killing the company. I have an iPhone. I don't see how anyone could use the device if it weren't jailbroken due to the number of things you can't do with it (On the iPhoneOS vs. Android issue: who gives a damn?) due to Apple's restrictiveness. You can't even sync an iPod Touch or iPhone using Linux anymore unless you jailbreak, SSH in, and change a config file to revert to an old DB version that doesn't have their hash check.

Back to the topic though, the iPhone would be awesome, and certainly less made fun of, if Apple would get off of their high horse about their products.. But the customer attitudes probably fuel this.

Re:Just give it up... (2, Interesting)

DanJ_UK (980165) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856525)

Killing the company??

Apple made a net profit of $1.14bn (£683m) in the 3rd quarter last year, compared with $904m for the same period the year before, and their market share has just topped 10% for their whole product base.

How exactly are they, killing the company??

Re:Just give it up... (3, Informative)

alsutton (218963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854931)

"Outside the US, it it just a matter of time before Symbian and other platforms join PalmOS as interesting historical tidbits."

Ever seen some sales figures? Symbian currently is the OS on around 50% of all 'phones sold (and 40% of all smart phones) around the world. Thats more than the nearest 4 competitors combined (and that includes apple).

The US market is very limited and isolated in some senses because US patent laws restrict what can be sold in the US. In the free world we have the ability to buy 'phones which offer equivalent functionality and not pick 'phones based on who has the most patents.

Re:Just give it up... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855475)

Plus, taking further the example of mp3 players that original poster used - in many places iPods are almost nonexistent.

Nokia will officially launch an app store.. (1)

c00p3r (1308609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854899)

and will fail, because, unlike iPhone, there are no support of that app store in current firmwares.

Re:Nokia will officially launch an app store.. (3, Informative)

mvdwege (243851) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854991)

Apparently you have never used an S60 phone. It already has the basic mechanisms in place in the download section in the main menu. All Nokia has to do is market the server side to developers.

Mart

Mobile World? (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26854933)

Did Ballmer throw any wheelchairs?

gnIaA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26855029)

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Technically it's not compeittion. (1)

Shadowmist (57488) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855039)

The Android store and the App Store at the moment serve two different markets. Android phone users and IPhone users. The store that the user would choose is determined by the phone in posession. Since neither store can offer anything to users of the other kind of phone the title is misleading, or at least premature.

Only one Android phone available (2, Insightful)

spintriae (958955) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855295)

A drawback to Android application developers, however, is the fact that the potential Android Market user base is fairly small right now, as there is presently only one Android phone available, the T-Mobile G1.

You mean as opposed to the several dozen different phones Apple has on the market? Way to end a horribly fragmented run-on sentence with a cringe inducing logical fallacy, buddy.

The key is to charge (2, Interesting)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855307)

The reason why the App Store has taken off so phenomenally is because they handle commercial applications. This means that any geek who can knock together a mobile application is tempted to do so by potential profits. Think about it, write an app, get it approved, and then instantly make it available to millions of iPhone users who are only a click away from paying you. That's a huge advantage for Apple - because those geeks will be writing their applications for the iPhone and not the other platforms. This is why there are so many applications for the iPhone already. Apple were really smart here. If you look at the numbers, there are more 99c applications than free applications, and taken as a whole, free applications are a minority.

Android Market is soon going to be rolling out support for paid applications in much the same way as the App Store. Once this happens, you'll see a similar surge in the number of applications available for Android. It won't be as pronounced as the App Store's curve, because Apple have a head-start now, but it will certainly put Android in the game. Although the iPhone has the client numbers, Android has the developer numbers simply because you don't need a Mac to develop Android applications.

Re:The key is to charge (1)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855785)

Android Market is soon going to be rolling out support for paid applications in much the same way as the App Store.

Correction: Android Market gained support for paid applications yesterday [blogspot.com] , although at the moment, it is restricted to developers from the USA and UK, and consumers from the USA, with more countries to follow.

Re:The key is to charge (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856425)

I think you'll see a huge surge. Everybody wants to be the *first* or *original* 'easy to program, easy to profit' application developer.

If your idea isn't terribly original or difficult to execute you'll be cloned immediately so being first to market is huge.

Potential. (1)

CyberData4 (1247268) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855355)

While the app store is a good thing, it's slightly overrated. Unless you consider a "farting" app the pinnacle of mobile development.

Only One? (1)

Zero_DgZ (1047348) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855587)

Uh, I hate to break it to the detractors of the Android Market, but the Apple app store applies to only one phone as well. And while the iPhone IS the New Hotness status symbol and so forth, there are still a hundred and one Razr/Blackberry/HTC/Envy/Blackjack owners for a single iPhone owner. Despite its popularity, the iPhone is far from ubiquitous.

Re:Only One? (1)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855869)

there are still a hundred and one Razr/Blackberry/HTC/Envy/Blackjack owners for a single iPhone owner.

Actually, the iPhone has 1.1% of the entire mobile phone market, not just smartphones. So there's about 90 phone owners for a single iPhone owner.

Re:Only One? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26857223)

since when is 1% = 10% im sorry but before you start spouting numbers and fanboyism. Buy a calculator and learn how to stop being so stupid go to apple.com they seem to be calling you back. 1.1% is that there are 98.9 phones for every iphone

Re:Only One? (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856143)

Uh, I hate to break it to the detractors of the Android Market, but the Apple app store applies to only one phone as well.

There's one big distinction between the App Store & the Android Market. App store also sells apps for the iPod Touch, which helps to extend the number of potential buyers by at least several million.

App Store anti-Competitive (0, Troll)

DallasMay (1330587) | more than 5 years ago | (#26855795)

I can't believe no one else is talking about this. The iPhone App Store is anti-competitive. You can only sell iPhone Apps through it alone. That's bad for developers and bad for consumers. Apple has already abused it's monopoly position by not allowing certain apps that compete with their offerings. This is dramatically different than their Music store/ipod model because you can buy music from anywhere so long as it is DRM-Free. This is not the case with the App Store. Buy from Apple or not at all.

Re:App Store anti-Competitive (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856295)

I can't believe no one else is talking about this. The iPhone App Store is anti-competitive... Apple has already abused it's monopoly position by not allowing certain apps that compete with their offerings.

You see, this is the Achilles' heel of your argument. Both legally and economically monopolies are defined by markets. You reference Apple's monopoly, but in terms of economics and law, they don't actually have a monopoly (they are close with ipods though I don't think that applies to this discussion). This article is about Apple Store clones popping up to provide similar functionality for all the competing phones on the market. The fact that such competition exists negates the premise of Apple having a monopoly. If they were to gain monopoly influence on the cellphone or even smartphone market, then yes, absolutely it would be an issue.

Remember, bundling is not illegal. You can sell a package of shampoo and body wash without any problems, right up until you gain monopoly influence on one of those two markets. Apple doesn't have a monopoly on smartphones. Apple doesn't have a monopoly on smartphone apps. Thus, tying their smartphone to their app store is clearly not falling afoul of normal antitrust laws.

This is dramatically different than their Music store/ipod model because you can buy music from anywhere so long as it is DRM-Free.

Actually, the Apple specific DRM and tying to the iTunes store is plenty to convict Apple of antitrust abuse... provided they have monopoly influence to abuse. Right now the EU seems to have leaned towards Apple not having such influence in their investigations largely because of the media playing cell phone trend.

This is not the case with the App Store. Buy from Apple or not at all.

Yeah it is serious lock in and something a purchaser should consider. It's probably the second thing (after price) dissuading me from choosing Apple as the provider of my next smartphone. That said, it is no more anti-competitive than all the other items sold exclusively through cell phones like crazily expensive wallpaper and ringtones. In order for antitrust laws to apply their needs to be a trust. There are other consumer protection laws in various jurisdictions, but nothing universal that make for a large issue.

Not even close (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26855813)

Right now the only real 'competition' to Apple's App Store is the Android Market.

I'm sorry, you can buy iPhone apps on the Android Market? Don't be stupid. That means there is ZERO COMPETITION.

Dumb summary (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856235)

There is no competition for the Apple app store because without breaking the iPhone there is no way to get an unsanctioned app on the iPhone. Other app stores might provide competition for the iPhone, and now that Apple has shown, once again, that one can sell products at a premium if one offers customer service, it seems that many more are trying to cash in on the deal.

The advantage of the Apple Store, though, is exactly what most people complain about. Apple vets the software, which means that iPhone users are limited on choice, but have a sense of security. It is unlikely that Apple would let, for instance, malware appear on the store.

The problem is if the other stores allow anything on the store, then the security is gone. Since there is not that level of customer service, the stores are not the same. In fact, I don't think we need any new stores or sites at all, especially for android. What I would trust most are OSS applications on something like sourceforge. I don't download unknown applications for my computer, why would I do so for my phone.

What Policies? (2, Interesting)

Trojan35 (910785) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856417)

I'm interested what the policies are on all the different app stores. I know everyone here hates Apple's restrictive policies, but I do appreciate how I can download any app from their app store and not worry about it breaking my iphone, spreading viruses, changing system defaults, or worse (like stealing passwords).

What approval processes and policies do these other stores have?

Application deployment (2, Insightful)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 5 years ago | (#26856775)

The App Store is the most important thing the iPhone has going for it. I have a Blackberry through work and enjoy using it (because it's free!), but getting apps is such a pain in the ass that the only thing I've installed is the Google package.

It would be nice if desktop OSes had an easy way to find and install new programs as well. Oh wait ... BSD and Linux do have such a place! How has Apple not jumped on that?

Re:Application deployment (1)

yelvington (8169) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857793)

The web browser's default home page takes you to quite a few free downloads, but it's not a complete listing of the available Blackberry software. Nevertheless, with a bit of searching Twitterberry, Slacker Mobile, Viigo, AP News, etc., were not hard to find.

The problem with "app stores" is that they're all hardwired to make money and/or extend a totalitarian control model (as in Apple), not make it easy for the user to find software (as in Linux/BSD distros).

I installed Mobipocket Reader, and it has a built-in bookstore. Nice. Click, buy a book.

However, it only finds paid-for books; if you want any of the Gutenberg project .mobi books -- available from the Mobipocket website! -- you have to download them to your computer and copy them to the Blackberry manually.

Android Marketplace is cool and all, but... (1)

rgelb1 (472797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857305)

The Android Marketplace experience from the phone is really slick. However, there is no way to access it from the Internet. I released a really small free app called "That's not Funny" (check it out).

Re:Android Marketplace is cool and all, but... (1)

kwark (512736) | more than 5 years ago | (#26857851)

No way to access it from the internet? Like:
http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.vbrad.android.notfunny [cyrket.com]

If you want your app to be available in any other way from the Android Market, Google isn't going to stop you (they just don't want you to mention other markets in their marketplace).

Apple leads, the rest follow (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26858109)

no surprises here, please move along
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