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Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 "Lenny" Released

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the waiting's-over dept.

Debian 386

Alexander "Tolimar" Reichle-Schmehl writes "The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 5.0 (codenamed Lenny) after 22 months of constant development. With 12 supported computer architectures, more than 23,000 packages built from over 12,000 source packages and 63 languages for the new graphical installer, this release sets new records, once again. Software available in 5.0 includes Linux 2.6.26, KDE 3.5.10, Gnome 2.22.2, X.Org 7.3, OpenOffice.org 2.4.1, GIMP 2.4.7, Iceweasel 3.0.6, Apache 2.2.9, Xen 3.2.1 and GCC 4.3.2. Other notable features are X autoconfiguring itself, full read-write support for NTFS, Java programs in the main repository and a single Blu-Ray disc installation media. You can get the ISOs via bittorrent. The Debian Project also wishes to announce that this release is dedicated to Thiemo Seufer, a Debian Developer who died on December 26th, 2008 in a tragic car accident. As a valuable member of the Debian Project, he will be sorely missed."

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Iceweasel (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862099)

In my colon! Haha I trapped him and he is NOT free. I'll let him out once I figure out how to get a GNU in.

Re:Iceweasel (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862101)

Ahh, you're in love. That's how they attack.

Re:Iceweasel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862607)

Best KDE 3.5 distro? (5, Insightful)

nicc777 (614519) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862103)

Still KDE 3.5 - so perhaps this will be the KDE user's distro of choice?

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (3, Funny)

sqldr (838964) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862107)

I'm using 4.2 here, you insensitive clod!

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862295)

Linux just isn't ready for the desktop yet. It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web, but the average computer user isn't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with, especially not when they already have a Windows machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation, as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother's basement somewhere. The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862521)

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Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862559)

I am most amused that the moderator who hit this post chose "redundant". WTF? Doesn't that imply either "we know", or "this was covered by TFA"? Actually, maybe I should check the Debian release notes for D&D game summaries...

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862597)

Redundant?? WTF? Why does having a debate over different versions of a DE or WM, or simply having a choice mean that Linux is not yet ready for the Desktop? C'mon, mod the parent properly, or don't mod it at all.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862393)

me too

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (5, Interesting)

a09bdb811a (1453409) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862171)

Yes, the timing has worked out perfectly.

I run Debian testing, so I've been on 3.5 for a long time, and very happily I might add.

Now when sid starts moving again, KDE 4.2 will go in - completely avoiding the earlier, less complete releases that everybody was ranting about.

Couldn't have worked out better, and is a reminder that you don't always need to be on the bleeding edge anyway.

Debian has a very good KDE packaging team, btw.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (2, Interesting)

pabs3 (259410) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862213)

The Debian KDE team would love any help people can give, perhaps from Kubuntu guys!

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862531)

The Debian KDE team would love any help people can give, perhaps from Kubuntu guys!

I hope not. I'm have used kubuntu since 0606 and been happy about it and recommended it to everybody. But I stayed on 0804 with still has kde 3.5, and now I'm looking for an alternative distro.

It's not the KDE4. I think it at least will be great now with 4.2, but (almost) all the extras that kubuntu put in are gone. No GUI to adjust the clock, no GUI to set up your screens etc.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (4, Informative)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862797)

I'm using Lenny right now (though Gnome), and I see both 3.5 and 4 available in Synaptic.

We shouldn't forget the Debian Live project [debian.net] which has live CDs for Gnome, KDE, XFCE, and LXDE.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (-1, Offtopic)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862813)

I hope not. I'm have used kubuntu since 0606 and been happy about it and recommended it to everybody. But I stayed on 0804 with still has kde 3.5, and now I'm looking for an alternative distro.

Ubuntu / Kbuntu are bastardized distros. Ubuntu has to learn that there's a difference between trying to create a more user-friendly distro and "more Windows-like experience". And Xubuntu is a mess.

Try openSUSE [opensuse.org] (and use this link to get all the media codecs with one click [opensuse-community.org] ). Try Fedora [fedoraproject.org] . Try Mandriva [mandriva.com] Heck, try Slackware [slackware.com] .

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (4, Informative)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862267)

Now when sid starts moving again, KDE 4.2 will go in - completely avoiding the earlier, less complete releases that everybody was ranting about.

Hopefully they will freeze KDE 4.3 with Qt 4.5. Freezing kde at 4.2 would seem like a mistake, when you consider that KDE people mostly focus on fixing bugs for 4.3. Also, Qt 4.5 should bring big performance improvements.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (2, Informative)

scientus (1357317) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862377)

a freeze is quite a ways away, we just had a hard freeze and now is long merge time.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862761)

We need to get rid of KDE, it sux. Gnome 4 life!

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (1)

karbonKid (902236) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862177)

Umm.. what about slackware?

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862209)

Slcakware also has a good KDE packaging team.

Yes, that sounds right. Now, where's that send button?

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (1)

JonJ (907502) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862319)

Slackware users use a gui?

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (5, Funny)

turgid (580780) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862471)

Slackware users use a gui?

Only to multiplex xterm, and xeyes to point to the mouse.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862609)

Hey! I have a couple of VLC windows open for pron!

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (4, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862847)

Hey! I have a couple of VLC windows open for pron!

On slackware? Fess up - you're piping your pr0n through aalib or libcaca as ASCII-art [liquidweather.net] . Otherwise, you're not really hard-core.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (0)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862739)

Still KDE 3.5 - so perhaps this will be the KDE user's distro of choice?

Not in this lifetime. KDE 4.2 runs fine, including the wobbly windows and rotating desk cube, on decent hardware.

Debian, on the other hand ... well, it kind of sucks. Someone made the mistake of installing it on one of their home boxes, and ... well, lets just say it feels OLD.

Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (5, Insightful)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862835)

Huh? I've switched from Intrepid to Lenny on my laptop two months ago because Gnome 2.24 had broken session management (or rather: none at all), KDE 4.x had broken everything else, and KDE 3.x was ported... poorly. Debian is great for tracking the latest, newest, hottest NON-BROKEN versions of stuff. Sorry, I'm using my computer to do WORK, and a working computer is MUCH more valuable than a computer with a GUI with a higher version number in an "about" box.

Each time I try out some other distro, I eventually come back to Debian. And Debian will always forgive me and welcome me like a good, old friend. Debian, I love you.

Eternal Lands (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862105)

There is an MMO game I play named Eternal Lands. In this game a powerful beast roams and is a prized / rare target to encounter. The name for the beast is Lenny.

I play in a Linux-themed guild on Eternal Lands. The guys will get a kick out of this news.

Debian going strong, glad. I sort of use Ubuntu now though for desktop needs.

remember (2, Informative)

ters a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!* (1177175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862115)

Change "lenny" to "testing" in sources.list!! Next one is squeeze can't wait!

Re:remember (4, Informative)

tenco (773732) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862247)

Don't do this. Squeeze won't be supported by the testing security team in the beginning: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2008/12/msg00019.html [debian.org]

Re:remember (1)

ters a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!* (1177175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862271)

Thanks. Last release i changed it over to late and had weird breakages.

Re:remember (1)

Sam36 (1065410) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862561)

What ever, I have been running testing for 3 years.

No annoying upgrade cycles for me. I am always up to date

Re:remember (1)

chill (34294) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862547)

Squeeze? What about Squiggy? I thought "Lenny" was supposed to segue into using Laverne & Shirley names, which would allow further migration into Happy Days, Mork & Mindy and other entertainment favorites of the 1970s.

A Debian release! (5, Funny)

jamesmcm (1354379) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862141)

Savor this moment guys, a Debian release is like a Solar eclipse, you are lucky if you get to see one in your lifetime!

Re:A Debian release! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862175)

And it will probably be one the last as they run out of toy story characters.

Re:A Debian release! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862235)

Nope. We have plenty of characters and by that time Toy Story 3 will come ;)

Re:A Debian release! (1)

pabs3 (259410) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862263)

TS3 will be probably released before squeeze, we still have no shortage of names.

Re:A Debian release! (5, Informative)

wahgnube (557787) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862193)

Huh?

While it's easy to pile on with the melodrama, the last stable release, Etch, was in the middle of '07. A year and a half is an entirely reasonable amount of time to wait for an operating system release.

I, for one, congratulate them on and thank them for their timely release!

Re:A Debian release! (3, Informative)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862253)

care to mention how long it took for them to get to etch?

Re:A Debian release! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862261)

Etch took one month less than lenny. [debian.org]

Re:A Debian release! (5, Informative)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862281)

note: theese lengths only take account of the month not the time in the month so they may be a little off but they are good enough for the purpose

buzz->rex 6 months
rex->bo 6 months
bo->hamm 13 months
hamm->slink 8 months
slink->potato 17 months
potato->woody 23 months
woody->sarge 35 months
sarge->etch 22 months
etch->lenny 22 months

Re:A Debian release! (4, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862391)

Sarge really was the source of these endless jokes. Almost three years, on a Linux that was considerably less mature than it is today was forever. Remember that all releases are tested and mature by the time they are included in stable, so they were at the worst more like four years behind the bleeding edge. Obviously you don't want a server anywhere near the bleeding edge, but damn do I understand all the application developers that said "You're running THAT?! We stopped development on that branch years ago, nobody backports anything not even security fixes anymore". A distro has to be a team effort with the people developing it - you can't expect Debian people to fix 20000 old packages alone. The current situation is just fine for a server OS, though I wouldn't run my desktop on it. I used to run testing until early 2007 but for all the faults Ubuntu has, having semi-annual "packs" is better than the constantly changing flow that testing is.

Re:A Debian release! (1)

rbochan (827946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862645)

Sarge really was the source of these endless jokes. Almost three years, on a Linux that was considerably less mature than it is today was forever...

Sure, the release time from Woody to Sarge was funny until you realized that even with the umpteen thousands of packages included with Sarge, the Debian team still beat release times between Microsoft's bare-bones desktop OSes Windows XP [cnet.com] and Vista [pcpro.co.uk] .

Re:A Debian release! (3, Insightful)

novakyu (636495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862369)

Etch just looked longer because *a lot* of improvements to the GNU/Linux was being made during that time in terms of the kernel hardware support and the desktop stuff, and whoever was using Debian stable during that time couldn't take advantage of those developments.

They always had the option to go "testing", which is surprisingly stable, compared to other GNU/Linux distros or, God forbid, Windows. The only downside is that the security patches usually come first to the stable release.

unstable is pretty stable too, really (3, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862441)

Unstable is unstable in the sense of changes happening semi-frequently, which you may not want on your production servers. But if your primary problem with Debian stable is that it doesn't get new software often enough, then presumably changes happening semi-frequently is precisely what you do want. And it gets bugfixes and security fixes first.

Despite the name, it's not where totally crazy experimental stuff that is more-likely-broken-than-not happens. There's a separate area, aptly named "experimental", for those packages. For example, the xf86->xorg change was staged in experimental for several months before being pushed to unstable after getting put into pretty good shape. OpenOffice 3 is undergoing a similar process currently, and will presumably be in good shape by the time it gets into unstable.

There is admittedly sometimes breakage in unstable, usually of specific packages, just because it's the newest widely used distribution: something'll never get to testing if it breaks in unstable. You can avoid even that, unless you really are the first person ever to encounter a particular bug, by using apt-listbugs to warn you of packages with major bugs filed against them, and delay upgrading those.

Re:unstable is pretty stable too, really (2, Interesting)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862651)

Experimental is also where KDE 4 has been living all this time. It'll be good to have experimental back to be something I rarely get a package from, rather than half my GUI systems :)

Re:A Debian release! (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862293)

While it's easy to pile on with the melodrama, the last stable release, Etch, was in the middle of '07.

According to the release note [debian.org] , it's been 22 months, one month longer than Etch.

Re:A Debian release! (5, Funny)

risk one (1013529) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862575)

A year and a half is an entirely reasonable amount of time to wait for an operating system release.

I run Vista, you insensitive clod!

Re:A Debian release! (1)

jonadab (583620) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862865)

> A year and a half is an entirely reasonable amount of time to wait for an operating system release.

One would think so. After all, proprietary operating systems sometimes go twice that long between service packs.

But in the open-source world there's a different cultural paradigm around this issue. By the time a release is a year old, nothing new will run on it. If you want to use an operating system that has long dev cycles, like Debian (and yes, I'm currently typing this on etch), you end up with long stretches of time where the latest version of this or that application is not available to you, because it requires more recent versions of various libraries than you've got.

This isn't something the OS distributor can really fix. It's a cultural issue among the application developers. Nonetheless, it is the reality. I mean, I'm currently using Iceweasel 2.0.0.19. The Mozilla people have been yelling and screaming and wailing and gnashing their teeth for just months and months, bemoaning the fact that not everyone has updated to Firefox 3.x yet. But was Firefox 3.x available for Debian stable? It was not. If you should happen to want to use the latest version of Inkscape, or the latest version of OpenOffice.org, or the latest version of the Flash plugin if you're into that sort of thing... you can't.

Contrast this with the situation on other platforms. The most recent Microsoft operating system that won't run the current versions of all those applications I mentioned is Windows Me or, if you prefer to apply the Highlander Principle, Windows 98 SE. Windows XP has been out since, what, 2002? Granted it was insane to upgrade to it that early, but even if you waited for Service Pack 2, that's been out for a good long while now.

Why is it that the application developers can support a six-year-old proprietary operating system, but they aren't willing to support a less-than two-year-old OS distribution that's still the latest stable release?

Re:A Debian release! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862195)

But it's always worth the wait... .deb best packages available

Re:A Debian release! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862379)

This is the reason why the release is worth noting.

The usual Linux distribution announcements are hardly worth the attention they get in the press. Like it would matter who is the "fastest packager" in town or who made few ugly Python scripts in the name of "user friendliness". Who ships application version 1.0.1 and who beats that with a version 1.0.2? Who changed the wallpaper?

Knowing the work that goes into Debian, I appreciate the release, and even more so in the current situation where hype and quantity overshadows quality.

Re:A Debian release! (1)

scientus (1357317) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862387)

dont be talking, windows took 5 years to release vista, and even after all that time to get it right it sucked.

when debian releases, their releases work and are more solid than anything else.

Re:A Debian release! (1)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862557)

If you mean total solar eclipses, maybe. Partials are a dime-a-dozen.

Re:A Debian release! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862579)

I'd savor the moment more if I didn't just install the last 4.0 release two days ago. At least it was just a minimal install for a server. Off to download the new netinst...

KDE 4.2 practically already available (1)

Digana (1018720) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862199)

Yes, KDE 3.5, but that's just an accident of the release cycle. KDE 4.1 has already been backported to lenny [ekaia.org] , and although there are no promises for a 4.2 backport [ekaia.org] , it is not impossible to think that they might happen, albeit admittedly unlikely.

Re:KDE 4.2 practically already available (4, Insightful)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862309)

Honestly, if you're the kind of guy who uses Debian stable you certainly will stay with KDE 3.5 until at least 4.5.

Good to see that in the time of bleeding edge releases-every-6-months distros there's still a choice that actually allows you to get work done.

Re:KDE 4.2 practically already available (3, Interesting)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862345)

Honestly, if you're the kind of guy who uses Debian stable you certainly will stay with KDE 3.5 until at least 4.5.

Good to see that in the time of bleeding edge releases-every-6-months distros there's still a choice that actually allows you to get work done.

Ubuntu LTS is one such choice as well.

I made the mistake of upgrading to Ubuntu 8.10 from 8.04 LTS (and didn't like it), and now I need to go back. With Lenny out, it will feel less like a defeat if I install Lenny instead ;-).

Screenshots + DPL interview (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862203)

Some first impressions on the release, screenshots and an explanation of the delay from Steve McIntyre, the Debian Project Leader, here: http://tuxradar.com/content/lenny-has-landed [tuxradar.com]

Re:Screenshots + DPL interview (2, Insightful)

zsau (266209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862407)

Screenshots of Debian? I can't think of anything more useless. You might as well try taking photos of life-forms there's such a huge range. No-one but me has a computer that looks+works the way mine does. (Albeit I've changed the feel more than the look, so any non-Gnome Crux screenshot will be reasonably close.)

I, for one, am waiting for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862219)

the Carl release when it will be the year of Linux on the desktop.

(It is a Simpsons reference for all you slow people out there)

Re:I, for one, am waiting for (1)

mpathy (1067128) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862427)

Isnt there a option for "extremely unfunny" that I can filter on?

Even if I got more beers in me I could not laugh at that :)

Re:I, for one, am waiting for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862481)

I was going to write a reply with Blackjack! And Hookers! But I forgot eh Blackjack! And Hookers! You insensitve clod!

Thiemo (5, Interesting)

emj (15659) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862231)

He was a great hacker [lwn.net] , it's nice to know that more people will remember him.

Re:Thiemo (5, Funny)

bap (75675) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862623)

Yes, it is a shame he died in a tragic car accident, instead of one of those non-tragic fatal accidents.

Yawn ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862291)

more bloatware

ATTENTION! (0)

professional_troll (1178701) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862303)

And NOW announcing the latest Debian offshoot... TwitterOS!!!!

This one detects when you are trying to install TrueType core fonts and sends a kill -9 with output reading...

bash: OS doesn't help users install M$ junk!

Blu-Ray? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862305)

Maybe I'm just overlooking the obvious, but where IS the Blu-Ray ISO image? I can see it mentioned in the SHA1SUMS file [debian.org] , for instance, but it doesn't appear to be on the cdimages server, neither as an ISO nor as a .torrent.

Re:Blu-Ray? (4, Informative)

sinan_imam (536383) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862333)

It is not going to be in the archives because it would waste a huge amount of space. You may build it yourself using jigdo.

Re:Blu-Ray? (3, Informative)

pabs3 (259410) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862357)

IIRC you need to use jigdo to assemble them from the packages. This page hints at that:

http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ [debian.org]

Re:Blu-Ray? (4, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862403)

Don't forget the 'best' install out there: NetInstall [debian.org] . Unless you actually want to download 31 CDs or 5 DVDs worth of stuff. The best part about Debian is the mix and match of installing what I want. I honestly can't fathom trying to download 20Gigs of stuff just to make a desktop unless I plan on installing in middle of nowhere.

Re:Blu-Ray? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862591)

Why, what's wrong with downloading 20 gigs?

No, seriously. I've got a reasonably fast connection (6000 kbps downstream); my ISP doesn't put any caps on my account whatsoever (typical usage for me is ~200 GB/month); and hard drive sizes are not an issue anymore these days (you can get TB-sized drives for less than a hundred bucks).

Sure, net installs are still a good alternative for other reasons - but you could just as well use those reasons to argue that Debian shouldn't make any DVD or CD images available, either. :)

And personally, I actually prefer having just one coaster (one BD-ROM) lying around to having 31. ;)

Newsworthy. Actuall news. (5, Interesting)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862343)

Just reading this (Note I am not a Debian User anymore) has me noticing just how much the quality is in the FOSS field compared to MicroSuck, Adobemedia and any other company that's just in it for the money and not the technical perfection. Despite all marketing gibberish to the contrary.

While I've been using Ubuntu for it's ease of use in recent years and see Debian more as a kind of building kit when I need a more customized Linux setup, it is none-the-less a terrific feat to wrap up a product that meets Debians quality standards, as opposed to those of - let's say - Windows Vista.

Even the slashdot post on the new Debian has more content that a MS press release.

That all observed and said, congrats to the Debian crew for yet another release of a great OS and Software kit.

Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862395)

Kharma whore in all its glory and proud of it...
lame...

Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862459)

What quality?

Debian people have always been busy patching crap.

And no offense, but once you exclude the bigger and older projects, the quality of FOSS software tends to be terrible.

Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (4, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862633)

Yea, that Debian patch Tuesday is *such* a pain in the ass.

MicroSuck??!! Grow the fuck up child (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862483)

seriously, do you think calling Microsuck gives you more geek cred or makes you look cool?

It is so lame and childish.

Re:MicroSuck??!! Grow the fuck up child (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862601)

I think he's right... their software still _sucks_ soccer balls through a lemonade straw.

Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (1, Insightful)

GF678 (1453005) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862495)

Just reading this (Note I am not a Debian User anymore) has me noticing just how much the quality is in the FOSS field compared to MicroSuck, Adobemedia and any other company that's just in it for the money and not the technical perfection. Despite all marketing gibberish to the contrary.

I really wish people would stop with this bullshit. You mention Adobe - GIMP doesn't even compare to Photoshop. Technical perfection is useless if it doesn't give people enough of what it wants.

Now that this is out of the way, grats to the Debian team for a fine release.

Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862603)

Sometimes, people don't know what they want until someone builds it and they get to see the advantages. Then everyone wants to build on top of it.

Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (2, Interesting)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862641)

There are very few things that the GIMP can't do that Adobe PS. Granted, PS is a more polished product, but non-professionals are unlikely ever to notice a difference in feature set. Furthermore, the GIMP interface has been improving, and I now think that they are equally good, only very different which is why it is relatively difficult to switch from one to the other when you are very familiar with one. Such a scenario favors the incumbent. Hello, Windows vs Linux.

Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862723)

You never really used photoshop, did you?

Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (4, Funny)

heffrey (229704) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862683)

You can't beat the fantastic quality of Debian, especially when it comes to the fantastic work done with Valgrind and Purify to remove some of the bugs in the OpenSSL seeding code used to generate encryption keys. Obviously no closed source code could possibly live up to those marvellous standards. It's just not possible to write high quality closed source code. In fact the mere act of releasing previously closed source code under the GPL makes it high quality.

Coming Soon! (4, Funny)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862349)

Duke Nukem Forever

Oblig. (2, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862353)

Not Lenny!

No OpenOffice 3.x (3, Interesting)

Lord Satri (609291) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862401)

I'm obviously very happy about the Lenny release since my employer (part of Environment Canada) makes us use Debian. However, I guess there are "good" technical reasons, but I'm sad OpenOffice 3.x could not make it. One of our tech allowed us to install OO3 on our Etch machines. The result: 003 makes my Etch crash (the full OS, not just the app, to my entire surprise!). I'm not saying it's the same for everybody else, but it's a sad thing for me. (in fact, even 2.4.1 can crash Etch since I installed 3.0... and I'm no way knowledgeful enough to fix that problem :-/)

Why does computers have to be that complicated? ;-)

Re:No OpenOffice 3.x (1)

thermian (1267986) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862523)

I'm obviously very happy about the Lenny release since my employer (part of Environment Canada) makes us use Debian. However, I guess there are "good" technical reasons, but I'm sad OpenOffice 3.x could not make it. One of our tech allowed us to install OO3 on our Etch machines. The result: 003 makes my Etch crash (the full OS, not just the app, to my entire surprise!). I'm not saying it's the same for everybody else, but it's a sad thing for me. (in fact, even 2.4.1 can crash Etch since I installed 3.0... and I'm no way knowledgeful enough to fix that problem :-/)

Why does computers have to be that complicated? ;-)

Sounds more like a hardware issue to me, or perhaps a really badly configured Linux install.

release with 84 RC bugs? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862409)

I might be missing something here, but aren't there still 84 release-critical bugs [debian.org] open on lenny? I understand a number of them have been deferred to lenny.1, but I had expected this number to drop further before a release was made. Has Debian changed their release policy?

[captcha: prudence]

Re:release with 84 RC bugs? (4, Funny)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862647)

I understand a number of them have been deferred to lenny.1, but I had expected this number to drop further before a release was made. Has Debian changed their release policy?

Yes, they actually made a release.

*drumroll*

Re:release with 84 RC bugs? (1)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862765)

Etch has also been released with RC bugs.

Failure pre-upgrading apt (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862439)

I couldn't get apt to upgrade in step 4.5.4 [debian.org] of the process (wouldn't upgrade libc), but the alternative aptitude route seems to have worked, though expect it to bring in a fair bit of more packages than just glibc and locale.

Good to see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862455)

Though I don't use Debian any more (I've moved on to Fedora 10), I'm glad to see Debian is still going. I know it's lost a lot of users to Ubuntu the last few years, but hopefully this new release will get some of them back.

FHS 2.3? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862525)

The debian press release on http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 mentions:

It also features compatibility with the FHS v2.3

(The press release for 4.0 did the same.)

However:
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#LIB64 tells me that

The 64-bit architectures PPC64, s390x, sparc64 and AMD64 must place 64-bit libraries in /lib64, and 32-bit (or 31-bit on s390) libraries in /lib.

What insensitive clod does break a lot of older software and claims to be compliant with standards when they aren't?

Re:FHS 2.3? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862829)

unfortunately FHS is ambigous on the issues..

http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#LIBESSENTIALSHAREDLIBRARIESANDKERN [pathname.com]

> The /lib directory contains those shared library images needed to boot the system and run the commands in the root filesystem, ie. by binaries in /bin and /sbin

Thus, if your /bin contains amd64 binaries needed to boot the system, you should put the amd64 libs in /lib.

FHS is built on assumption that the 32bit userland is the default and only selected binaries (databases, and others who really need 64bit pointers) are 64-bit - which is true for the older 64bit archs.

but lib64 is stupid idea in the first place.

It should be more generic: /usr/lib/$(arch)/

Thus you could support as many 32 and 64bit architectures as your cpu (and kernel) supports (and the rest via emulation).

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387446 [debian.org]

Single media (1)

BarryNorton (778694) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862587)

"A single [...] media" - what language is that?

OT question ... (2, Insightful)

jopet (538074) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862605)

will there ever be a way to watch blue-ray movies legally on a Linux computer?
I have been using Linux on my desktop for years now, but I am getting increasingly frustrated with the lack of drivers for all the things that get more and more "normal" in the Windows world: synchronizing mobile phones, loading maps into a GPS device, playing Blue-ray disks, operating TV-cards, security devices (e.g. chip-card readers) and other special hardware.
So it is not only a lack of game playing software or professional graphics software like Photoshop ... it is simlply a major *effort* for the average user to ignore or work around all these problems.
And it seems for some of these problems there are major legal or other obstacles which I cannot see getting solved in the future.
Opinions?

Re:OT question ... (0, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862663)

So it is not only a lack of game playing software or professional graphics software like Photoshop ... it is simlply a major *effort* for the average user to ignore or work around all these problems.

Buy stuff with Linux support and quit your bitching.

Opinions?

When you buy things you're buying stuff with Windows support. Maybe you should be looking for Linux support instead.

That, or maybe you should just accept that you have no legal path to watch Blu-Ray, and that you either need to boycott Blu-Ray, or accept that you will be committing an act of civil disobedience every time you watch a movie.

The fact that you allegedly care about Linux support but don't care enough to check to see if your chosen equipment has Linux support makes your whole comment seem like a troll.

Re:OT question ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26862817)

i was last week in media market here in spain... they sell 2 types of chipcard readers, both with a nice little linux penguin logo on the box :D

obviously it's not easy to know which type of hardware is linux compatible when you are right in the store and didn't investigate a bit before, but i think the situation becomes better :)

man, and tv cards.... last time i tried one was 5 years ago on a debian stable, worked perfectly. never tried again because tv bores me :P

for GPS check this out:
http://www.fsckin.com/2008/04/06/review-four-linux-gps-packages/
http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/gps/

for bluray read this (although for ubuntu but should work on debian as well):
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD
dont forget to read this as well:
http://mostly-linux.blogspot.com/2006/06/top-5-reasons-blu-ray-will-never-be-in.html

greetings,
vitaminx

Re:OT question ... (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862871)

There's no legal way to do many worthwhile things in this world. Don't worry about it. You're here to live your life, not obey laws.

I didn't notice ... (1)

Toon Moene (883988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26862789)

... because I simply use Debian testing, updated each Sunday (like today) morning.

I wonder what the fetishism is with Debian stable ...

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