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MacBook's "Unremovable" Battery Easy To Remove

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the just-unscrew-16-handy-screws dept.

Portables (Apple) 476

Slatterz writes "Going just a bit further than your average unboxing, someone has stripped a new 17-inch Apple Macbook Pro to its component parts revealing one or two little surprises. The biggest of which is that the built-in battery is easily accessible, requiring the tinkerer to remove just the 13 Philips screws which hold the bottom cover in place, and the three tri-wing security screws which hold the battery in place."

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/sarcasm (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909407)

Someone for forgot the <sarcasm> tag in the article summary.

Re:/sarcasm (5, Funny)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909783)

16 screws is a hell of a lot easier than it was for me to replace my old iBook hard drive! 54 screws! I only had one left over when I was done.

Re:/sarcasm (4, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910001)

I got about halfway into it after a couple of beers and in the end decided to just live with the 40GB that it came with :)

WOW (4, Funny)

timeOday (582209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909435)

Just 16 screws? How does Jobs do it? That shouldn't take more than 20 minutes or so during my flight to Australia.

Re:WOW (5, Funny)

essinger (781940) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909537)

Just 16 screws? How does Jobs do it?

You know some people don't realize how easy it can be to change to a generic power adapter by just soldering a new power connector attachment to the motherboard. Ahh, convenience!

Re:WOW (5, Funny)

Laser_iCE (1125271) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909565)

Just 16 screws? And it should only take you 20 minutes? I wish I was lucky enough to join the Mile High Club in such style!

Re:WOW (5, Informative)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909567)

If you fly to Australia (presumably from the U.S. and not from NZ or something) and need your laptop the whole time, invest in an airline power adaptor and check to see if your airline has connectors here [seatguru.com]. Or you know... buy a different laptop.

Re:WOW (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909723)

Yes, because those laptop power points on planes are 100% guaranteed to be working all the time, especially when a flight is full.

Re:WOW (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909777)

Well, obviously, but I think it's still a valid design criticism given that battery swapping was trivially easy before - all you needed was a coin or a strong fingernail - and now you need to do all this.

Re:WOW (4, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909833)

Or you know... buy a different laptop.

I think you're on to something there.

I've never owned a laptop without buying spare batteries for it sooner or later. With a battery in the docking bay, you can swap the main battery without shutting down. (Too bad they don't build in a capacitor to run the laptop for 30 seconds while swapping batteries).

Plus, the batteries go bad after a couple years.

I would understand if there something to gain by not having a removable battery. But really, does it save any space at all? Usually the bottom of the battery is the exterior of the laptop, so it doesn't have to fit "inside."

I guess you can't make any compromises if you're dead set on being the very thinnest or lightest. But count me in for something a little thicker with a lot more functionality.

Re:WOW (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909819)

I know you're being funny, but isn't it possible to run a MBP off the power socket in the seat? What airline do you go on? I haven't flown Qantas on that route, but I'd imagine United are too shit for the sockets, but Air Canada's planes are beautiful. My work laptops though... my Dell M6300 has a 130W power adapter that immediately overloads those 65W sockets. My older Dell M60 (90W adapter) didn't overload it if the battery was already charged, or I removed it.

Re:WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909897)

Air Canada's planes are beautiful.

My experience with Air Canada was a 70's refurbished Boeing with silver screen movie projectors, on a flight from Montreal to Frankurt. This flight was 2008..... so I wouldn't say Air Candada is my first choice. LOL.

Quantas or SAS, those are good. Lufthansa acceptable. Malaysian is bliss.

Re:WOW (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910133)

They've been updating their cabin interiors. However, Toronto to Shanghai and Toronto to Sydney (two of the main routes for me) are brand new 777s. When I fly Toronto to London, I pick either a new plane or one with an upgraded cabin - their website specifies, and they have several flights a day to chose from. Too bad you got one that hadn't been updated yet.

Asian Airlines though seem to live in a world of their own when it comes to customer service.

Re:WOW (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910099)

isn't it possible to run a MBP off the power socket in the seat?

Yes, but only if you pay extra for a seat with a power socket at the correct voltage.

Re:WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26910243)

Yes, but only if you pay extra for a seat with a power socket at the correct voltage.

What would be the incorrect voltage? I've used my MBP all over the world simply by plugging it in.

Re:WOW (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910151)

I know you're being funny, but isn't it possible to run a MBP off the power socket in the seat? What airline do you go on?

In business class you would, but not everybody flys business.

The funny thing... (1)

weston (16146) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910123)

is how far Apple's fallen here since the design of the Lombard/Pismo Powerbook. Those things would hold two batteries in different swappable bays. This meant that not only was it DEAD EASY to swap out a battery, you could actually keep a laptop running indefinitely on a series of charged batteries ... without having to power down.

I suppose individual battery life has improved somewhat, but that's pretty much scant comfort.

"Easy"? (5, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909437)

A total of sixteen screws. To change the battery. And that's "easy"?

My laptops require zero screws to remove. What does that make them?

Re:"Easy"? (1, Informative)

PixetaledPikachu (1007305) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909543)

A total of sixteen screws. To change the battery. And that's "easy"?

My laptops require zero screws to remove. What does that make them?

Normal? your laptop's battery is designed to be removable. The MBP isn't

Re:"Easy"? (5, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909547)

A total of sixteen screws. To change the battery. And that's "easy"?

To change a battery that is not designed to be removed by the end user? Yes. That's easy. Especially compared to the effort required to change the hard drive in an original clamshell ibook, for example.

My laptops require zero screws to remove. What does that make them?

It makes them laptops designed to have the battery removed by the user.

Hint: Glibly comparing the difficulty of removing parts 'designed for end user removal' and removing parts 'not designed for end user removal' leads to a FAIL. What do they teach kids in school these days?

Re:"Easy"? (4, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909575)

>Especially compared to the effort required to change the hard drive in an original clamshell ibook, for example.

Yes, two wrongs make a right. Apple still hasnt learned. Dont compliment them by saying "Oh its not as bad as it used to be!"

Re:"Easy"? (4, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909701)

Yes, two wrongs make a right. Apple still hasnt learned. Dont compliment them by saying "Oh its not as bad as it used to be!"

Quite frankly, most people don't change their laptop battery EVER. After 2+ years when the original one dies, most people STILL don't even do a one time replacement... they just use it plugged in or buy a new one.

Yes, there are road warriors out there that do buy 2 or 3 batteries and rotate them daily. They aren't most people, they are a niche. And they won't buy a MacBook now.

So it doesn't really matter, those of us who never change the battery will be unaffected by the fact that they now can't; and they benefit from a smaller lighter laptop.

Those of us who do actually buy a new battery after 2+ years to replace the old one that no longer holds its charge well, will find the process for changing the mac battery un-daunting. Spinning 16 screws once every couple years simply isn't an issue.

So, why exactly should Apple go out of their way to make batteries more user removable?

Most of their customers are quite happy to give up the option of switching them on the fly, in exchange for a battery that's smaller, lighter, and lasts a bit longer.

Re:"Easy"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909983)

I'm a mac enthusiast who also enjoys the ability to swap batteries with in seconds. The new Apple line up leaves me out

Re:"Easy"? (5, Informative)

el americano (799629) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910011)

So, why exactly should Apple go out of their way to make batteries more user removable?

Because MacBook batteries have a history of dying? An alarming number of the MacBook and MacBook Pros in our office needed replacing around the 1-year mark. Yes, we did the MacBookPro battery recall. Yes, we installed the OS update that fixed what was killing some batteries. Several needed replacing anyway, most of them just out of warranty.

I'm sure nothing will go wrong this time though. Good call!

Re:"Easy"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26910015)

this doesn't have to do specifically with batteries, but have you ever tried to switch out anything in an apple laptop? I've worked with a few, doing things like changing the hard drive, and it's a terror! it's not like every screw is the same, and it's not like there's a rhyme or a reason to which screws go where. Adding more things in the not-easy-to-replace area just makes them that much more of a terror to work with?

Why are you even trying to defend this? Given the option between a piece of plastic that you turn/slide to remove component X, or removing 2 or 3 (identical!)screws to remove Y, why would you opt for 16+ screws to replace X or Y? How does that help the home consumer that wants to replace their battery, or their hard drive, or their memory?

Re:"Easy"? (1)

SuperMog2002 (702837) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910043)

Not to mention that the new battery in the 17" MBP is supposed to last 8 hours on one charge, and takes several times as many charging cycles as most Li-Ons do before it drops to 80% capacity.

Re:"Easy"? (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910131)

A switchable battery isn't bigger, heavier or last less. At best, Apple is using the 0.1% of room they gain from not having to put a flap to put a larger, bigger, heavier battery in (which will last a little longer). Its just not significant overall so no one minds. But the battery is definitely not lighter just because you cant remote it.

Re:"Easy"? (4, Insightful)

Chirs (87576) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910253)

It certainly could be. A non-removable battery doesn't need as tough a shell (since it's protected by the laptop itself), doesn't need a latch mechanism, doesn't need a nice-looking exterior, doesn't need a special connector, and doesn't need to be shaped in such a way that it can slide in and out. I'm guessing the difference could be 10% or more rather than 0.1%.

Re:"Easy"? (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910155)

So, why exactly should Apple go out of their way to make batteries more user removable?

Logically, they shouldn't. Psychologically however, they should. Even if a user will never change the battery throughout the unit's lifespan; not giving the user the option can stop an Apple sale dead in its tracks. More so in this crowded market I might add.

Re:"Easy"? (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910221)

Logically, they shouldn't. Psychologically however, they should. Even if a user will never change the battery throughout the unit's lifespan; not giving the user the option can stop an Apple sale dead in its tracks. More so in this crowded market I might add.

Yes, a small number of sales will be lost because of this. However it will be a small number. And the cost of those sales is probably less than the cost of making the batteries removable, and will be more than offset by the service center profit from swapping batteries that die after a couple years at inflated prices for users who lack the savvy to get a replacement online, and spin those 16 screws themselves.

Re:"Easy"? (1)

Ross D Anderson (1020653) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910215)

You're right, but for me that's down to the fact that the batteries are rediculously expensive I'd rather put up with the low charge or just save up and buy a whole new laptop.

Re:"Easy"? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26910269)

A total of sixteen screws. To change the battery. And that's "easy"?

To change a battery that is not designed to be removed by the end user? Yes. That's easy.

Um, no it's not, unless you're comparing it to other Apple notebooks, which have historically been a pain in the ass to service. 16 screws is on the hard side of medium difficulty for replacing a part. LCDs are usually fewer than ten, for example. I've replaced some motherboards by taking out about 16 screws...

Re:"Easy"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909955)

Your laptop is a prostitute, it will take any battery that comes it's way.

umm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909439)

Kathleen Fent's pussy is easily accessible. She definitely gets more than 16 screws a day, too.

Re:umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909523)

Neal? Is that you?

-- Rob

So? Who uses Apple anyway? (1, Redundant)

BigAssRat (724675) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909465)

I didn't even know that Apple made the battery "non-removable" by ordinary users. Why would they even think to do that?

Yet another reason I don't 'use Apple products.

non-removable batteries (5, Insightful)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909471)

the mounting hardware for clip-in hardware uses up a fair amount of space that you could use for a larger battery. While Apple's decision is inconvenient for travelers that like to switch to spare batteries. It is probably a useful change for most customers who would rather have 10% more battery capacity, and to Apple who probably saves a little money on build costs. The third party battery market probably won't even hiccup at the difference, eventually providing users the ability to buy a battery (and throw in a couple of screw drivers as a "kit"). How often do you replace a weak/broken battery? Once every couple of years and hopefully not more often than that.

Given that Apple assumes you need to take it to a certified apple tech to replace the battery, they will either have to eat the cost of replacement or bundle the price in with the battery part cost. But overall it is probably a net savings for Apple.

How often do you replace a weak/broken battery? (4, Interesting)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909579)

In a Macbook Pro? Once, so far, but it wasn't because it wasn't holding a charge... it was because it was visibly swelling in it case. If I'd had to wait until it had distorted the laptop case before I noticed it was swelling and replaced it... well, replacing that battery would have taken a week or more while I waited for Apple to repair or replace my laptop and ship it back to me.

Re:How often do you replace a weak/broken battery? (1)

ekhben (628371) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909733)

I had that on my first edition MBP. I called Apple, they said there was a recall on that brand of battery, they had a new one shipped to me in two days, no cost as long as I returned the warped one via the included shipping box.

Re:How often do you replace a weak/broken battery? (2, Informative)

risinganger (586395) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909903)

That'll be Sony you want to thank ;-)

Re:How often do you replace a weak/broken battery? (1)

ekhben (628371) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910173)

Yes, so I understand. But then, I don't care, or need to care, who made what part of my MBP. If it breaks, Apple fix it. Same goes for Dell, Gateway (do they still exist?) and other brand manufacturers. They brand it and package it, they take the responsibility for it working as per the terms of the warranty, they all usually do a reasonable job of fulfilling those terms. The GP should've called Apple, is all I'm saying. :)

Re:How often do you replace a weak/broken battery? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909961)

I had that on my first edition MBP. I called Apple, they said there was a recall on that brand of battery, they had a new one shipped to me in two days, no cost as long as I returned the warped one via the included shipping box.

Which would have been illegal to do, since it contains hazardous and potentially explosive toxic materials.

They should have had you turn it over to a battery recycling company and fax them the receipt.

Re:non-removable batteries (2, Informative)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909735)

It's not a 10% difference, the battery life is at least double what it would have been.

I think it's obvious that the battery isn't "non-removable", just that it requires removing a few screws rather than a simple sliding latch.

Re:non-removable batteries (2, Insightful)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910077)

According to TFA (but I can't see any mention of it on the ifixit site) the screws are tri-wing. If so that seems like a deliberate attempt to make things more awkward for those who want to swap it themselves.

Re:non-removable batteries (1)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909763)

Do you actually want to do business with a company that uses tactics designed to get you to use their tech and their battery simply to replace a battery? I sure don't!

Re:non-removable batteries (4, Informative)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909799)

The mounting hardware for a removeable battery does not need to take significantly more room than a non-removeable battery, and certainly nowhere near 10%. It's just Apple trying to be "cool".

My guess is that Apple is banking on the fact that when it comes time to replace the battery, they can:
  • charge more for it
  • make it expensive enough that people would just get a new machine rather than upgrade the ol' clunker.

Either way, Profit.

Re:non-removable batteries (2, Informative)

samkass (174571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910035)

The cost is $179. [apple.com]

As for whether it's 10% or not, [citation needed]. My previous-generation MacBook Pro has quite a bit of plastic and latches and such to make a quality battery compartment. In addition, it's a big block out of the bottom of the case that undoubtedly weakens the torsional rigidity. Considering the new one's core is made out of a solid block of aluminum, I think it's pretty cool they made the decision not to cut it up for a battery.

Count me as one of the ones for whom this decision is perfect.

But the battery is still $189 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909479)

And that, my friends, is the Apple tax. Not that good, either - still China cheap chit.

Re:But the battery is still $189 (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909527)

Loading up with dual Dell batteries, which is about the same power capacity cost the same. Not much of a tax if you ask me.

The Apple tax is a myth. If you want a tax try Alienware.

Re:But the battery is still $189 (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909893)

The so called Apple Tax comes with second-to-none customer support. My MBP is just over a year old. My battery started playing up a fortnight ago. I called Apple, and in no time whatsoever they had a brand new replacement battery in the mail to me. Oh, and I bought the laptop in the US, I live in Canada, but I'm currently visiting Australia. Try getting that level of service out of Dell.

That'll show 'em! (4, Insightful)

straponego (521991) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909491)

Now all you have to do is make your own replacement battery.

Re:That'll show 'em! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26910245)

That's fairly easy. You just need a spot welder, some LiP cells and duct tape (or the original plastic battery housing).
Optionally replace the charging circuit, and protection circuitry on the battery.

Compared to removing those 16 screws, it shouldn't be a huge deal.

What a relief... (3, Interesting)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909511)

If your Macbook Pro battery starts swelling to the point where it's likely to damage the laptop, as mine did, you'll be able to pop out the battery as soon as you notice it, and get an advance replacement from Apple overnighted to you the way I did, and run your laptop off AC in the meantime.

Right?

"Security screws" = no (3, Insightful)

Rix (54095) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909515)

I don't have a screwdriver that will fit those, and I doubt many of you do either.

Re:"Security screws" = no (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909649)

Then you probably shouldn't be replacing a MBP 17" battery.

Re:"Security screws" = no (2, Interesting)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909801)

I have a screw driver kit (one handle with 30 something bits) I picked up over 10 years ago with these three way phillips bits. These have been around for a while just not many people have been using them. I picked this kit up for $20.

Re:"Security screws" = no (1)

Techman83 (949264) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910225)

These days you can get a similar Stanley kit for about AU$10 from Bunnings. One of my most used tool kits!

What happened to the Torx screws? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909517)

Once upon a time, Apple used all Torx screws, and it was good. What is with these insanely tiny, fine, and easily stripped phillips screws on the newer machines?

They are just awful, and you still need a Torx driver if you want to replace the disk anyway.

Re:What happened to the Torx screws? (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909709)

#0 philips a and the occasional T6 torx. Found at pretty much any hardware store. Sorry probably not wal-mart.

Re:What happened to the Torx screws? (1)

essinger (781940) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909745)

Once upon a time, Apple used all Torx screws, and it was good. What is with these insanely tiny, fine, and easily stripped phillips screws on the newer machines?

They are just awful, and you still need a Torx driver if you want to replace the disk anyway.

Let's have a geek-off where brag about the Torx drivers are in our toolboxes! I got one that is so small it is invisible to the naked eye!

Re:What happened to the Torx screws? (1)

Falconhell (1289630) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909811)

"I got one that is so small it is invisible to the naked eye!"

I see, own a Hummer and an assault rifle do you?

Oh wait you mean a screwdriver......

Re:What happened to the Torx screws? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909963)

so small it is invisible to the naked eye!

That's what she said.

Re:What happened to the Torx screws? (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910231)

I think it's just an industry wide thing. All of the OEMs have gone to those easily stripped phillips screws as far as I can tell. I think they do it so that they can ding you for a parts charge. Every OEM I've dealt with sells a "screw kit" or something similar that includes every single screw you will need for the laptop. At this point I just buy the stupid kit and write it off as a cost of doing business.

Underestimation. (0, Troll)

detox.method() (1413497) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909519)

Apple thought the combined ignorance and laziness of its customers would have rendered the battery inaccessible. This just shows that there might be someone with intelligence and motivation that uses one of their computers. Who woulda thought it?

Non Removable Again? (4, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909577)

I thought Apple learned the lesson with the IPOD with how it pisses people off.

Guess not.

Re:Non Removable Again? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909725)

What lesson would that be? The one where they corner the portable music market and become a pop culture icon? Oh...

Re:Non Removable Again? (5, Informative)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909803)

the ipods are a little different story. Apple would like you to occasionally buy a new product from them. They make very little on upgrades, if anything at all. iPods are meant to be replaced every 2-3 years, and computers every 3-5 years. We replace batteries for iPods here all the time. Or you can go to one of several web sites and buy replacement battery kits. FastMac and iFixIt are our two biggest suppliers for ipod batteries, screens, etc.

As previously mentioned several times, Apple is installing a battery with very long runtime and is adding a little capacity by not installing a latch. There's extra space savings by not having a hinged latch or cover too. Not a lot, but every bit helps.

If your battery does get used a lot and wears out (high cycle count) Apple will replace it for a reasonable cost. Or you will soon be able to get replacement battery kits same as the iPods.

My wristwatch requires a special tool to open up because it's a diving watch. I can't change the battery myself. I've been in twice since I bought it to get a replacement battery. At wal-mart of all places. I don't want to sacrifice what it takes to make my battery replaceable.

Re:Non Removable Again? (2, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910041)

Is it still used as a diving watch after walmart changes the battery? I've done that before with my water proof watch, only to have it die in the shower, post change.

Re:Non Removable Again? (4, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910107)

1 - They want you to upgrade your laptop too.
2 - You can easily purchase the tool to open your watch. its designed to be water proof, not replacement proof. Nor is it designed to be 'obsolete' once the battery dies.

Sure, you can find replacement batteries for ipods and 'break the seal' to do it yourself, its all about intent.

Ewww... I usually don't defend Apple choices (4, Interesting)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910191)

but honestly what are we losing? While I won't purchase one on the simple grounds is that it is hilariously overpriced. I mean, people on Apple forums deride gamers who buy silly cases or pay extra for AW yet turn around and go all ga-ga over the new macbook cases. Hell they feel honored to pay $50 extra for a matte screen surface!

No, in this case there is no net loss for consumer or Apple. Face it, the majority of those who might take one on a long flight are going to be in the class that allows them to plug it in. Even then most who do fly usually are well prepared enough to not need to do extensive work in flight. Short hops on trains don't even raise an eye with a battery that can last as long as this one is. Let us also toss out the fact most travelers don't use 17" laptops in the first place, the size is annoying.

So, comparing it to the iPod issue. The iPod is something you could likely keep and not need or want to replace after killing the battery. Early ones had streaks of bad batteries but for the most part that isn't an issue now.

Last point, how could they or anyone have learned? Who else has made a laptop that the battery isn't easily removable? Let alone one as capable? Time will tell if the decision is bad. From what I read on the forums the biggest issues that come up is the obnoxious cost, not the battery.

Can you imagine the hell that would be raised if it didn't support fire wire? Now that would get the masses in an uproar :P

Re:Non Removable Again? (1)

Bemopolis (698691) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910199)

Right on! Oh, and the iPhone too. I mean, how did Apple ever survive the fact that no one ever bought either one of those products?

Maybe they negotiated a share of that avalanche of Zune sales.

Apple = Disposable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26909583)

Lol!

Scotty Need more power (4, Funny)

ireallylovelinux (589360) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909705)

Scotty I need more power to the aft engines. I am working on it captain but I am having trouble getting the 13 screws removed from the dilithium battery.

If only.... (3, Funny)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909843)

Now if only someone could design a laptop battery that is removable without opening the case. I know, I know, this is WAY too futuristic in this day and age, even for a company like Apple with the appropriate vision.

I've been up all night trying to find a way to design such a battery, but so far all I've been able to do is marvel at the shear ease of the Apple battery removal. My designs required 20 screws be removed!

Re:If only.... (4, Insightful)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910183)

Now if only someone could design a laptop battery that is removable without opening the case. I know, I know, this is WAY too futuristic in this day and age, even for a company like Apple with the appropriate vision.

You mean, like the battery on the bottom of my macbook, that pops out with the turn of a coin? Apple is more than capab^w^w^w^w has already designed laptops with removable batteries. If they didn't on the new macbook pros, then they made that choice for a reason. You may not like that reason, but that's fine.

I, for one, am glad I didn't wait for the new macbooks to come out before I bought mine.

Only 13 screws? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26909953)

You can remove the engine from an original beetle by removing only 6 bolts, IIRC. The water pump on my slightly newer vehicle was held in by 13 bolts, for that matter. I can pull the motherboard out of my thinkpad with less than 13 screws, for that matter...

only 13 screws TOTAL (4, Informative)

tyme (6621) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910185)

it appears that nobody, including the submitter, read the actual source article (I know: I must be new here).

In fact, there are 10 screws that hold the bottom plate on the machine, not 13 as indicated in the summary, then three screws that hold hold the battery in place.

Yes, the three screws that hold the battery in place are weird, tamper-resistant screws, but you can easily make a driver for them by filing down three points on a torx driver of the appropriate size (I did this about 15 years ago in order to open my first Gameboy, which used similar tamper resistant screws).

If you're not up for filing down a few points on a torx driver, you have no business fiddling around inside a laptop anyhow.

Re:only 13 screws TOTAL (3, Insightful)

Bandman (86149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910261)

While I have replaced the hard drive in a TiBook before (and I don't recommend that for anyone, anytime), I've got to say. Big difference between 10 phillips-head and 3 security screws and the little plastic sliding latch on my Dell.

Yes, the water-carved-from-a-single-block-of-unobtanium is cool, but usability is higher on my list.

Oh, so it's easy! (2, Funny)

Bandman (86149) | more than 5 years ago | (#26910219)

Cross the chasm of doom, fight the dragon, and then just pick up the crystal of enchantment.

Simple.

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