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Boxee Drops Hulu Support

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the back-to-dvds-from-the-library dept.

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frdmfghtr writes "According to a boxee blog entry, Hulu will no longer be supported. From the post: 'two weeks ago Hulu called and told us their content partners were asking them to remove Hulu from boxee. we tried (many times) to plead the case for keeping Hulu on boxee, but on Friday of this week, in good faith, we will be removing it. you can see their blog post about the issues they are facing.' Reading the hulu blog post, the only 'issue' I see facing Hulu is that content providers have (once again) shot themselves in the foot, switching off a media conduit they should have been promoting." Update: 02/19 14:31 GMT by T : Jamie points out this interesting (speculative) piece at O'Reilly Radar about the thought process that may have driven the decision.

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No hulu for boxee means... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916019)

...no viewership from me for hulu. Anywhere. First tv.com now boxee. It's a sign of these illogical times that hulu allow anyone to embed their videos in any web page, but then would force a application that sends hundreds of thousands of streams of traffic to them to drop their service.

Cable companies' (who are clearly pressuring content providers) subscriptions are already falling. I'm one of those people who have dropped it. Lest that trend continue though, we can't make it TOO easy for people to watch video online now, can we? Continually making it more difficult to get to online video won't save the cable companies' bloated overpriced businesses. It may well sacrifice hulu's, though...

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (3, Informative)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916133)

Notwithstanding the fact that people outside US can't watch Hulu streams. I would say I only care for Hulu to die faster as far as I'm concerned

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (4, Insightful)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916627)

Notwithstanding the fact that people outside US can't watch Hulu streams. I would say I only care for Hulu to die faster as far as I'm concerned

You really think that's Hulu's fault, or something that Hulu has real control over?

Hulu has a choice: They can provide a good assortment of content playing by the content provider's rules, or they can provide very little content any way they damn well please. So far, evidence shows that Hulu has made the right choices.

What is boxee? (4, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916881)

Can someone tell me what Boxee is? I go to their website, and I can't get anywhere IN without registering first. Geez.....no FAQ to read or anything without registering?

That kinda blows...

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916963)

>So far, evidence shows that Hulu has made the right choices.

Yes, because between these two decisions:

1. Providing popular content with serious use restrictions, and limiting it to 5% of possible users
2. Providing less-popular content with no use restrictions to 100% of the population.

#1 makes the most sense. I suppose in your world, it would make sense for Comcast to provide HBO to NYC residents living in brownstone buildings only (about the same percentage of their present coverage as the 5% world population - a certain percentage for all the ridiculous restrictions) if that's what HBO wanted. Yup, that's the way to go. This sort of thing is sure to keep your company in business for a LONG time. L-O-L.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (3, Insightful)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916679)

I know I shouldn't reply to a sig, but... you've got it all wrong.

The Fool, conscious of his own ignorance, looks at the world and attempts to adapt himself. When he does so effectively, he becomes the Wise and stops looking at the world. Then when the world changes, the Wise must become Fools again before they can begin to become Wise again. Until they succeed, they're the Insane.

There is no such thing as progress, there is only the changing external world and our endless struggle to effectively mirror it within our internal world.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (4, Insightful)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916753)

The Fool, conscious of his own ignorance

A fool knows not that he is a fool. The wise is simply a fool that is conscious of his own ignorance.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (1)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917135)

>>The Fool, conscious of his own ignorance

Going back to the start of western philosophy with Socrates, the only real solid wisdom we have is that we as a people know only a minimal fraction of what exists, and only a fool believes he completely understands much of anything. It is only the wise man who knows the faintest hint of his own ignorance.

It is not so much reality that changes, but our limited understanding of it as a people. Progress is where we get further along in our verified understanding of what is consistent about the world we exist in. Regression is where we believe we really understand and should stop looking, in the belief that we're wasting time looking.

Ryan Fenton

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (4, Informative)

von_rick (944421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916681)

People in the US who wanted to watch entire TV episodes on the show's own websites were often out of luck because they provided content for "Windows Only". Hulu has been providing the high quality episodes (picture quality) for non-Windows users. For that reason I think they should stay.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (2, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916695)

Either you didn't give the reason you want to see Hulu fail or you don't know what that word means [google.com] . Assuming it's the latter, I'm going to have to say that wanting a web site to fail because it only serves a segment of the population you're not in is ridiculous. Hulu is one of my favorite sites right now and the #1 place that I watch movies and TV shows. Hulu's great, and disliking it because of restrictions almost certainly placed on them by the content providers is ridiculous.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (1)

tony1343 (910042) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917097)

Can't you just use a proxy server to watch Hulu if you're not in the U.S.? Or are they too slow? I no someone who does something similar to watch baseball games on MLB.TV when the games are blacked out.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916169)

I'm afraid no hulu for boxee more likely means ... less use of boxee from me. It's an amazing interface, but without content it doesn't do me a whole lot of good. It's a *decent* media organizer, but frankly I prefer the Zune software (yeah I said it) for organizing my music, and I don't download the same volume of video files I used to so that's not much help for me either.

Unless boxee gets more support from the big network streamers (FOX, NBC, ABC), then it really has nothing to offer me any more.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (5, Insightful)

Shads (4567) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916245)

So everyone goes back to viewing their tv shows with no ads from Pirate Bay. ~shrug~ people used Hulu on Boxee because it was easier even if the ads were a bit annoying, now that they've taken it away it'll just be status quo.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (2, Interesting)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916499)

Or Mininova.

As Hulu has moved to RTMPE (shutting down rtmpdump), I have moved back to Mininova.

My HTPC in the living room simply isn't fast enough for Hulu because their player is so broken, despite being able to easily play back rtmpdumped FLVs of Hulu content with SMPlayer.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916769)

Totally agreed. I have many options for downloading higher quality ad-free shows. I used hulu through boxee and put up with the ads because it was easier. If I have to mess around with a keyboard/mouse to watch a show- its going to be to download the high quality ad-free version.

Hulu = Apple a few years ago (3, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916805)

Right now Hulu's in the place that Apple was with music a few years ago. Apple dragged the labels kicking and screaming into the internet age and showed them that there was a better way than blindly fighting everyone on the internet. Hulu's trying to do the same thing with the studios.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (1)

tiananmen tank man (979067) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916937)

The updated link in the summary suggests the reason for this is to control content distribution.

The "content providers" want to maximize their profits in each ditribution channel, with tv and the internet being examples. They don't want stuff intended for internet viewing shown on TV. As Egon from ghostbusters said, bad things happen when the streams cross.

Given the above, one can infer that tv ad dollars are higher than internet ad dollars.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (1)

Seakip18 (1106315) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917083)

Exactly. I was looking forward to getting caught up on "The office" with the gf via Hulu. Looks like we're going to be watching in MythTV instead since MythVodka isn't up to snuff yet.

The media PC is coming to the living room, old media just doesn't seem to know what to do. I've been watching soley recorded content for a while and my roommates are slowly shifting that way too.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (2, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916265)

It's not just that. The channels themselves are often the content partners, and ads on cable TV or regular TV easily fetch ten times the money that of online video ads do, if not much more. So with that nugget of information, it's easy to understand why they don't like a box that's going to be used a lot like a cable box, but only give them 5-10% of the revenue for the same content. I'm not saying that excuses the fact that they can't see that's how it is going to be that way.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (2, Interesting)

crmarvin42 (652893) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916553)

You're probably right, but there are those like me that canceled their cable before they'd ever heard of Boxee. I knew about Hulu and had watched exactly 1 tv episode on it prior to Boxee. Last night alone I watched 4 programs.

I'm a gradstudent and my wife is pregnant. We need every penny we can save, and cable was not worth the money at $60/mo for basic service and a DVR to make it remotely worthwhile. Now I'll just go back to reading books, watching my DVD's, listening to music, playing video games, and using Boxee to watch content from the other websites outside of Hulu (CBS still works AFAIK, and an ABC plugin is in the works).

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917047)

BTW, you can get a lot of DVDs for free from the library if you use interlibrary loan. Even frivolous stuff-one of my friends borrowed "Knight Rider Season 1." It's cheaper than Blockbuster, although you will have to wait a little longer.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (1)

gid (5195) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916571)

And the fucked up part is that the ads on TV can be fast forwarded through by any old schmuck with a DVR, while the online ads are not easily skippable.

Re:No hulu for boxee means... (3, Interesting)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916861)

Basically I see these people cutting their nose off to spite their face.

Firstly, if the person is watching the show on a Boxee or Hulu, you can partly figure they're not watching it on some traditional medium such as cable TV.

So following that logic, basically they're forgoing 5-10% additional revenue they'd get because now the person is going to go to mininova and download the same show sans their ads instead of watching it on hulu or a boxee.

Though it should be noted this industry has had a long and protracted history of doing things that make utterly no sense because instead of embracing technology and getting ahead of the curve they're being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

What's odder is that, while flawed in a several ways Hulu was actually a step in the right direction...

Blame the Jews (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916413)

If the entertainment industry wasn't run by greedy Jew rats, maybe we would be able ot watch Hulu on our preferred device.

Just when you think that those fucking kikes are going to meet you half way, the pull some shit like this.

Well I say we all keep downloading tv shows commercial free from bit torrent websites.

Then, when the Jews are distracted counting their money... BAM... Straight to a concentration camp.

This is for Palestine, kikes

Re:Blame the Jews (1, Informative)

Hybrid-brain (1478551) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916771)

I don't know who you are A.C. but you are clearly a Racist, and at that, you resemble a Neo-Nazi.

Real content provider drops support for vaporware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916815)

Considering Boxee isn't even a real product (vaporware)... it's kind of hard to get my panties in a twist over this.

Maybe if Boxee ever makes it into, ya know, the reality-based world, it can raise up to the level of something to be concerned about. As it stands, it's like getting mad that I can't watch Hulu on my Infinium Labs Phantom.

Re:Real content provider drops support for vaporwa (1)

ghetto2ivy (1228580) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916973)

Uh? I've been using boxee for about 6 months. Not vaporware. Didn't even get a private invite. Signed up at the site, a week later got the invite. Oh wait -- are you a windows user? That must be the issue. Linux and mac have had boxee for a long time.

Oh noes (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916027)

$buzzword1 won't be supporting $buzzword2

Re:Oh noes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916383)

Modded down to oblivion as seems slashdotters like to be lost in their own little world. Big surprise...

God damn it (-1, Offtopic)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916055)

Another post about Boxee - I am fed up with reading about that stupid camwhore bitch [youtube.com] !

Re:God damn it (2, Funny)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916135)

Well if you'd stop visiting that cancer filled shithole you wouldn't see any posts about her.

Hulu sucks...period (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916063)

My...God...have we learned nothing from the late 90's PointCast/FireDog/CatFucker catastrophes?

One of the major drawbacks to Hulu, as well as other endeavors by the entertainment companies, is the fragmentation they are creating. Each of these services is an archipelago designed to serve up the the products of its masters which just makes it less useful for potential customers. It is a bit like requiring a different TV set for watching each producer's products, placing a much greater burden on the customer to hunt down where to find what the want. It is exactly the opposite of the type of aggregation that iTunes and cable and satellite networks provide.

PS->This is sm62704 [slashdot.org] posting as AC to avoid the nasty karma do-dads of that most hurting kind to power nine-thousssaaandd!

Re:Hulu sucks...period (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916187)

Nobody wants fragmentation, they all just want their walled garden to be the only game in town.

Not exactly the world's most brilliant plan.

Re:Hulu sucks...period (2, Interesting)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917111)

The nice thing about Hulu is that it has multiple networks signed on. I would love a site that could get every network to sign on with them distributing content, but the only site I've seen so far with full episodes for free from multiple networks is Hulu. I agree with the statement that fragmentation is bad, but the studios are refusing to work together on this and blaming Hulu when they're the closest so far doesn't make much sense to me.

the correct response (4, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916075)

would seem be for Hulu to provide a link or three at the bottom of that notice saying "if you disagree with this, we suggest you have your voice heard by .... " with links, phone numbers, email addresses, mailboxes, etc. If the "content providers" aren't listening to Hulu (or boxee) then maybe they'll listen to mobs of their customers?

I'm very surprised they didn't do this.

Re:the correct response (4, Interesting)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916435)

Hulu seem to be quite resistant to naming them, which is a shame. It's clear that they're walking a fine line between pleasing customers and pleasing providers, and you can see very clearly from the tone of their blog post that they're not happy about blocking Boxee - I'm surprised that they aren't pushing back a little by simply telling their customers who's pressed them into it.

I honestly cannot see a single good reason to allow the content through a browser but not through a plugin. I assume the thinking of the content providers is that most people aren't going to hook up a 'normal' computer to a TV, and thus Hulu doesn't really compete with cable/satellite without services like Boxee. This is short-sighted and stupid - when there is a huge surplus of free (illegal) media out there for the taking, the last thing they should be doing is placing limitations on the legal media. Same goes for HDCP, CSS, UOPs, region lockouts and any other scheme that reduces the value of legitimate content in comparison to 'pirated' content.

It's not precisely the same thing (due to the complexity of international broadcasting rights), but the fact you can only get Hulu in the US is a symptom of the same line of thinking. I want to watch House, for example - if I could get it through Hulu I'd do so, and be happy enough to watch the ads. Back when the region lockout was easy to bypass I used the service and was pleasantly surprised; picture quality is much better than BBC iPlayer and the ads are less intrusive than commercial broadcast TV. As it stands now I'll just wait until the DVD boxsets are cheap enough second hand and get them instead - partly to save money, partly as a matter of principle: if they won't give me half decent access to the product I want, I'll do my best to ensure they don't get any of my money when I do pay for it.

Re:the correct response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916801)

My Dell Studio 15" has an HDMI port on it. Whenever I wanna watch Hulu content - especially the HD streams - I just unplug the cable box or 360's HDMI cord and plug it into my laptop. Now I'm watching Hulu content on a 42" television.

Re:the correct response (1)

MrMarket (983874) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917129)

Hulu seem to be quite resistant to naming them.

Time Warner, Cox, Comcast, RCN...

Or... (2, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916497)

...if they do not, folks who do not like the changes can simply abandon Hulu.com for other avenues.

Honestly, I'm hard-pressed to find anything worth the hassle on the site anyway, though tastes obviously differ.

It's obvious that (unlike the music industry) the TV industry is at least trying to adapt to the web. That said, the time is pretty ripe for a hungry start-up or a bored zillionaire to start providing Internet-only broadcasting in a way that appeals, with shows that entertain.

The economy doesn't have to get in the way either - FOX got its start back during the last recession (late '80s, early '90s), no? Why can't the same thing happen now? (Hell, if it's entertaining enough, who needs cable/satellite? That would be enough to both push the traditional media along, and at the same time show if/how it can be profitable).

/P

Re:the correct response (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916591)

They've probably done all they can get away with by blogging and saying that it's not their decision, but is the content owners' instead. If that's not enough for people to get active, then actually giving email addresses isn't going to help much.

Re:the correct response (2, Informative)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917101)

I believe the content providers and Hulu are one and the same?

  I found this link in one of the boxee forums.

  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305877,00.html [foxnews.com]

I believe all the huffing/puffing from the Boxee community is not going to make the house fall down.

No Ads (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916077)

I watch Hulu on XBMC. It just hooks into the video stream directly. The ads on the website are inserted by the flash player. No flash, no ads. This is probably behind this decision.

Re:No Ads (4, Interesting)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916241)

Reading the comments on the blog entry linked in the summary seems to show that there are ads on Hulu streams through Boxee. I can see absolutely no good reason whatsoever for the content providers forcing Hulu to do this.

Re:No Ads (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916613)

What if the rack-rate per minute for advertising was quite a bit bigger on TV than on Hulu?

Does it make more sense now?

Re:No Ads (3, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916821)

As it happens, I made another post [slashdot.org] more or less covering that point.

Basically I don't see it being a 'good' reason to artificially and ineffectively limit users' access to legitimate content simply based on the (now fairly blurred) line between a TV and a monitor.

The level of pettiness here is getting ridiculous: watching fullscreen with a browser in the background on your HTPC hooked to a plasma screen in your living room? Fine. Doing the same thing but streaming direct through a plugin? Not allowed. To me, that doesn't really scream "understandable and logical business plan".

I can see where they're coming from - they want to protect the revenues from cable and satellite plans - but artificially restricting what one can do with perfectly legal, ad supported content is going to do one of two things: leave the users watching the content in a slightly more inconvenient form (through a browser, but on the same monitor, for instance) or direct them to the pirate bay. Hell, if they keep pissing people off like this then some people might even stop paying for content just out of spite.

Re:No Ads (1)

fracai (796392) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916961)

What if the rack-rate per minute for advertising was quite a bit bigger on TV than on Hulu?

Does it make more sense now?

... No? Why should it matter what monitor I use to see the same content? Whether through a web browser or through Boxee I'm still seeing the same content, the same ads, and over the same network. This breaks down to the content providers saying, "You can view my show through FireFox, IE, Safari, etc., but not through Boxee. The vowel/consonant ratio is a bit too high with that one.

Re:No Ads (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916257)

What are you using to watch stuff on XBMC? The script installers do nothing to help along those lines... Unless you want Youtube or AMT.

Re:No Ads (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916401)

I manually installed the Hulu plugin on the newest T3CH release of XBMC. Here's [xbmc.org] the plugin, but apparently it's broken right now.

Re:No Ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916263)

While this is the case for the XBMC script, it is different for Boxee. In Boxee, it plays the exact same as from the Hulu site.

There are ads, there are "Video No Longer Available" messages, there are play/pause buttons that are identical, etc. It is the exact same as viewing through the website, just a lot more convenient for end-users.

Re:No Ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916321)

Indeed. I can almost understand this if Hulu is trying to funnel additional traffic to their main page - and thus generate additional revenue from banner ads - but they're failing to consider that a user savvy enough to have found his/her way to Boxee is very likely also savvy enough to install adblocker or noscript. I see this move generating no additional revenue for Hulu, and in fact losing more than a bit because of people simply not watching their shows any more.

I was more than happy to sit through a few full "commercials" for each episode of BSG I watched, and I'm sure Hulu earned a shiny nickel for each one I watched.

Re:No Ads (3, Informative)

soundhack (179543) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916301)

This was true until yesterday, when hulu.com removed the plaintext PIDs which the xbmc hulu plugin used. Hopefully they will be able to work around it (decrypting the encrypted PIDs) but until then no more hulu on xbmc.

Re:No Ads (3, Insightful)

BMonger (68213) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916345)

Boxee plays the ads. Boxee goes directly to Hulu to get the content whereas I think XBMC is served from your computer which goes to Hulu. Not to familiar with XBMC myself though. Regardless the worst part is is that on my computer I have an ad blocker. On Boxee I do not. I saw more ads on Boxee than I ever saw on my computer. Even if I disabled ad blocking on my computer I was more prone to "do something else" for those 15-30 seconds. At the TV, not so much.

Re:No Ads (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916749)

Boxee goes directly to Hulu to get the content whereas I think XBMC is served from your computer which goes to Hulu.

XBMC is just a program like windows media player except better, and with python scripting. It runs on OSX, Windows 2000+, and the Xbox. It uses mplayer and IIRC ffdshow to do the heavy lifting.

Re:No Ads (1)

lophophore (4087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917095)

You mean you used to watch Hulu on XBMC. No more.

Shocking!! (4, Insightful)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916081)

Content providers trying to prevent change from occurring?? That is shocking!! Shocking I tell you...

With the traditional players now imploding due to reduced of marketing dollar flows, I think it is only a matter of time before these players that the good old days are gone..

Re:Shocking!! (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916269)

You'll see them lobbying Washington for a TV tax before that.

It's all about control (4, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916091)

Control=$

That's why DRM exists.
That's why "fair use" is "bad".

and by a stretch, that why we have the war on drugs. You wouldn't want cheap antidepressants or cancer drugs (like Cannabis), now would you ?

Re:It's all about control (1, Offtopic)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916809)

You sir are on the right side. Please though get the facts right so you do not make the movement look stupid. Cannabis is NOT a cancer drug. I dose help with nausea and lack of appetite caused BY the cancer drugs.

Re:It's all about control (2, Informative)

lordkuri (514498) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917033)

Hulu drops boxee support (5, Insightful)

wjh31 (1372867) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916125)

if hulu are asking to be removed, then it sounds like hulu have stopped supporting boxee, rather than boxee no longer supporting hulu

So? (0, Flamebait)

Brazilian Geek (25299) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916151)

Since I'm not in the US and can't see Hulu, I'm not missing a thing - in fact, this makes Boxee even more attractive to me now that a lot of the videos I click on won't block me.

I guess I have to thank Hulu for denying Boxee access.

Lame. (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916153)

I just installed boxee on my Apple TV last weekend exclusively for watching Hulu. This whole thing doesn't make much sense -- saying "we don't want our tv shows being watched on a tv."

What would honestly make the most sense, in my mind, is if the network that owned the rights to shows just had them stream from their own sites. Your media box could even call them something crazy, like "channels."

Re:Lame. (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916267)

They don't really want their stuff on Hulu being watched on TV. Hulu is, essentially, the product of a market segmentation/price discrimination move. Better to have the tech-savvy cheapskates watching on Hulu, where we can show them ads and keep an eye on them, rather than on bittorrent or any of the numerous dodgey underground streaming outfits.

However, they don't want Hulu to replace cable as the medium of choice for nontechy/convenience oriented users. If getting a Hulu set top box is just as easy as getting a cable set top box, and costs a great deal less, then cable loses. The media overlords don't really want that.

Make Hulu Open Source! (5, Funny)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916155)

It is obvious that the best path to maximize its user uptake is to make Hulu an OSS project. With the experience, dedication and level-headness of the millions of developers in the open source community, it will be certain that Hulu would achieve new heights.

Hulu could incorporate new functionality such as streaming MIDI files, Ogg visualation routines, Excel macro optimizations, and banner ad removal for Chrome and Firefox. Perhaps using the GPL v3 as the basic licensing framework would also provide us with the support of Bruce Perens and Bruce Schneier (not related).

Only when we focus our efforts in media content delivery engines can we wrest control of the net neutrality paradigm from DoubleClick.

Re:Make Hulu Open Source! (1)

Dreadneck (982170) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916439)

The only fly in your ointment is that you don't seem to have taken the media content providers into account. 'Ad removal'? You just lost your media providers right there.

Good luck delivering nonexistent content

Re:Make Hulu Open Source! (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916445)

Hulu without syndicated content from the networks is nothing but a video blog. Yes it's a very well designed video blog but it's true value is the ability to syndicate content and insert ads into the stream.

Hulu? (0, Offtopic)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916161)

Is that this video thing that doesn't work in Europe?

Meh, I'll just use Youtube like before.

Re:Hulu? (-1, Flamebait)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916255)

Congratulations on living in Europe. Youtube and Hulu do not have much in common.

Re:Hulu? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916409)

It does work in Europe, but it's kinda boring. Apparently it's a flash applet which displays white text on a black background.

kikes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916167)

fucking jews.

You know some kike picked up the phone and was like, "Oy Vey"

One thing I've never understood (1)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916207)

when you're just starting out trying to get your content out there, you post it practically everywhere to get exposure.

At what point of growth do you go "fuck this small player" - I just don't understand. In the content industry you need as much exposure as you can get. Even if something comes along that's new and small, it's still a content delivery system so why not put your content on it?

Can anyone explain to me the mentality here? Anyone?

Re:One thing I've never understood (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916729)

They get money from cable/satellite companies for the privilege of carrying their content. If it is easy and gets looking "good enough" it incentivezes people to drop their steady monthly income stream(subscription fees) for an ad based model(something that is currently tanking). Hulu (in their mind) is meant to be competition for bit torrent not for cable.

Re:One thing I've never understood (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916891)

If it is easy and gets looking "good enough" it incentivezes people to drop their steady monthly income stream(subscription fees) for an ad based model(something that is currently tanking), then you are threatening their business model. Preview and submit are too close together any time earlier than coffee time.

What's Hulu? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916247)

It looks like youtube but with TV episodes. I can watch TV on my TV... why should I be sad that I can't watch it on Linux?

Whatever, bye hulu... whoever you are

Re:What's Hulu? (2, Interesting)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916545)

You insensitive clod, I watch Hulu on my TV via Boxee... that's the whole point.

Fringe, Heroes, Battlestar Galactica, Eureka, Psych, Monk, Burn Notice, Damages, Lie to Me.. all on Hulu - plus Nova, Nasa TV, the Daily Show, SNL - all on Hulu.

I don't have to pay an extra $50 / month for cable/sat - just my internet connection.

Molo drops Empoor support on Ekkienong Doodad (5, Funny)

Jacques Chester (151652) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916357)

In a shocking twist, Mknnnr was also found to have backstabbed Hoolihooli in a deal with Farnanook.

In unrelated news, it has been found that 98% of "Web 2.0" business names are created by cats walking on keyboards. Footage at 11.

Hulu what? (2, Insightful)

olddotter (638430) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916441)

When will they ever get it? Commercials, no commercials, I'm not sitting in front of the computer to watch something longer than 5 minutes in duration. They need Hulu in my living room if they think I will ever care even a little bit about Hulu.

Hulu rippers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916457)

Anybody know of a way to save a Hulu video stream in Linux? With or without the ads? I'd love to watch Hulu on my media extender, which plays .flv videos just fine, but has no web browser.

ARRRRRRR!! (3, Funny)

bornagainpenguin (1209106) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916465)

I guess it's back to the torrent channel for me and thee, then, innit? So instead of watching SOME ads, ye and me will watch a-none, with nary a soul venturing out ter get screwed again! Tis so brilliant a move it could have only come from NBC/Universal! Those bleeding rotters only know how to lose money naught how ter be making it, so me boys will ignore th fools and hoist ye jolly roger we will...

See ye and thee at th' bay laddies!

--bornagainpenguin

Fear (2, Insightful)

PineHall (206441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916473)

Those "content providers" are afraid of losing control in this risky new venture. By playing it safe they keep their control on known revenue sources. They don't want to take a chance on an unknown thing that could hurt a known revenue source.

Re:Fear (3, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916687)

Aaaand...in doing it, they ended up hurting the known revenue source. Boxee wasn't stripping the ads- so they were getting money via their known source. They just couldn't control it as well as they could with the Hulu website.

Now, they'll have less takers.

No, this was more about Hulu potentially endangering the higher revenue bringing TV and Cable advertising deals.

And what would Boxee be? (3, Insightful)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916487)

And what would Boxee be, pray tell? I went to the site, and all I see is a page that asks me to log in. No information on what Boxee would be - no "What is Boxee?" or "Information about Boxee" or "Why you should give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys about Boxee".

It looks to me like the standard Web 2.0 "We are so tragically hip that we cannot see over our own pelvis, and if you don't know what we are by osmosis, then you are so terribly uncool we wouldn't want to deal with you anyway."

Then there's the little issue of the Boxee blog not having a link back to the main site - good web site design there guys. Yes, *I* know to edit the URL to get to the main site, but amazingly enough guys, there are people in this world who don't know that little trick (though I suppose they, too, fall into the "terribly uncool" group which with you would rather not be bothered).

And of course, neither the story submitter nor the <cough>editors[sic]<cough> could be bothered to actually link to any such explanation.

Oh well - my guess is that whatever Boxee is, it will follow the same trajectory most Web 2.0 objects follow, so perhaps when the inevitable "Boxee goes bust" story is posted on /. that may give some clues as to what the remains used to be.

Re:And what would Boxee be? (1, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916847)

And what would Boxee be, pray tell? I went to the site, and all I see is a page that asks me to log in. No information on what Boxee would be - no "What is Boxee?" or "Information about Boxee" or "Why you should give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys about Boxee".

If you need a streaming video to explain your product, you are not smart enough to sell it.

Re:And what would Boxee be? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916869)

And what would Boxee be, pray tell? I went to the site, and all I see is a page that asks me to log in. No information on what Boxee would be - no "What is Boxee?" or "Information about Boxee" or "Why you should give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys about Boxee".

Except maybe the 60-second video intro to Boxee that takes up half the screen? Or maybe you're blocking everything. Don't surf text-only and complain about what you're missing.

Re:And what would Boxee be? (1, Flamebait)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916907)

For unwashed and uneducated who cannot bother to search Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxee [wikipedia.org]

Re:And what would Boxee be? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917059)

It's an offshoot of XBMC that is designed more for streaming and less for Media center use. It's cute but Myself and my family like XBMC better.

Honestly I dont see why everyone was all in love with hulu anyways, If I wanted to watch really low res versions of TV Id watch it off my PVR. I'm after HD versions... that's where eztv.it fills the bill.

tired of content providers dragging their butt on my carpet. They want my eyeballs? they gotta server it up on my terms.

Re:And what would Boxee be? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917127)

Boxee does not appear to be terribly interested in generating traffic to their site... they are not a "Web 2.0" company. Rather, they are trying to develop software that can be loaded onto a set-top box. They seem to hope to make money licensing this package to hardware makers.

It's all about segmentation and more segmentation (4, Insightful)

meist3r (1061628) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916507)

The reason why we have this rampant piracy is that the studios and content creators and rights holders refuse to adopt models that cater to the consumers. Instead the market is artificially segmented into more and more chunks (which are owned by the same few corporations) to make cash and data flow as complicated as possible to charge more and more for it. I'm really getting sick of all this political bullshit.

Why isn't Hulu.com available outside the US? Because they need to segment the market to sell country specific ads.

Why isn't Boxee allowed to stream Hulu content? Because they want to segment the ad market into "Hulu ads" and "Non-Hulu/Other ads"

Why do DVDs still get released with Region codes? Because they want to segment the market to sell the same stuff at different prices and make ad contracts for different regions so they can earn a manifold of income.

Why is there still no simultaneous release of movies if many people watch them with subtitles or in English anyway? Because they want to segment the market into the respective "exploitation" zones to draw money out.

Some of these things are happening because the industry wanted them, some because our stupid societies still believe they need borders and nationalities to function and thus establish different tax systems. It could all be so easy if you would only let it get more complicated ...

Until this is resolved I'm at the Pirate Bay, watching KingKong, sipping Cider and laughing at all those idiots that still bother to screw around with that antiquated segmentation.

Re:It's all about segmentation and more segmentati (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916653)

Until this is resolved I'm at the Pirate Bay, watching KingKong, sipping Cider and laughing at all those idiots that still bother to screw around with that antiquated segmentation.

Ah, the legendary KingKong defense...

Send a comment to Hulu (4, Informative)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916509)

http://www.hulu.com/videos/search?query=contact [hulu.com]

No it doesn't bring up a contact page, but scroll to the bottom and there's a little link "Didn't find what you wanted? Click here to let us know" which pops up a contact box.... use it to let them know how you feel.

Is this going to happen to other players too?! (1)

airedalez (743328) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916521)

I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but there is also a plugin that has been made for Windows Media Center that uses Hulu. The site is: secondrun.tv and right now it is definitely beta, but it does work and I believe would be something the "suits" would also be opposed to. How many have thought, "With Hulu and a WMC / Boxee solution, I can cancel my cable/satalite bill"?! I am currently one of those getting ready to put an old school antenna back up and start using those airwaves again, in conjunction with my window media center!

Re:Is this going to happen to other players too?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916867)

In order to change the "direction" (1)

HogGeek (456673) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916531)

We need to let the people who really pay for TV shows know how we want our content.

A lot of people think that the cable/sat subscribers are whom pay, but they would be wrong.

We need to start letting advertisers know, that we want our content "free", as they are the ones that truly pay for the shows.

Strange Business Model (2, Interesting)

jcern (247616) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916573)

After reading that speculative piece over at O'Reilly, I really have to wonder exactly how their business model works. I know the networks hate DVR, but they have more or less come to accept it as long as you watch the commercials. What I fail to see is why they would be against watching a lower quality version at a later point with current commercials as opposed to watching a DVR'd version at a later point with potentially outdated commercials.

I think Hulu is great for when I miss a show but if I am around I'd prefer to watch the HD version on TV. I am probably not your typical customer as I maybe watch an hour or two of TV a week - but those are shows I truely enjoy. I know this move will make a lot of people return to downloading the commercial-free torrent to watch on their TV, but for me I am just apt to not watch if I miss something. Torrents are not complicated, but take more forethought and time than I am usually willing to invest in finding a TV show. Hopefully someday they'll realize that there are many different types of consumers and markets out there that they could be attracting instead of repelling them.

Long live TikiBar.tv (1)

olddotter (638430) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916647)

Without their content, none of what Hulu does would be possible, including providing you content via Hulu.com and our many distribution partner websites.

The above quote is from the Hulu Blog. The Their is obviously the "content providers", AKA the losers.

I can watch TikiBar, and wish it were more than 5 minutes long. I was about to Boxee my Apple TV for Hulu. But frankly I'm fine with free video podcasts, TikiBar, TED Talks, NASA, etc.

Hope for More Open Distribution/Revenue Models (2, Interesting)

Roxton (73137) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916663)

Ugh, this reminds me of how the networks pressured NetFlix into killing their Red Envelope independent publishing division. Every time I see something like this, I lose some of the hope that new, more open distribution models will win out over industry inertia.

Mistake in Radar Oreilly article (3, Interesting)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916845)

Hmm... there's a mistake in the radar.oreilly article. It was pretty jarring to read it, it concerns Divx. The author has confused Divx Discs with Self-Destruct DVDs that rot when exposed to air. I mean they are both bad technologies, and arguably are intended to acheive the same goal, but they are still different.

Divx was a complicated technology that was designed to lock out Divx discs from playing in certain circumstances. For instance, you "buy" a Divx DVD for the cheapest price available, and then you are locked out of watching it again until you "buy" it again. Or you get the "Gold Divx" subscription (not available for all Divx Discs), and you can theoretically watch the disk an unlimited number of times... on the particular Divx player you had the Gold subscription for that particular Divx disk on.

As Penny Arcade thoughtfully pointed out, Divx disks were hewn cold from the bones of the stillborn. [penny-arcade.com] They were thought up by Satan, Disney, some entertainment industry lawyers, and Circuit City where service is state of the art. (Rot in Hell, Circuit City!)

The concept behind Divx hasn't gone away, but nowadays it's more likely to be applied to video games. This is because just as Divx was supposed to eliminate the very concept of first sale and used DVDs, you now hear video game companies whining about the used video game market. (They'll get a wakeup call soon though, their industry isn't as recession proof as they thought and the used video game market will soon be the least of their worries.)

Content Providers Need To Be In Control (4, Insightful)

thestudio_bob (894258) | more than 5 years ago | (#26916883)

Hulu.com is a joint venture between NBC and Fox. So the "content providers" is code name for "the people who own and pay me". So the hulu guys saying, "we feel real bad about this" is BS.

If you remember this, ESPN's Play To Make ISPs Pay [slashdot.org] , you might start to understand what's going on here. The content providers want to get paid to have their content on the internet. They are trying use the same cable/satellite business model with ISP's. How else can the make someone buy unpopular content Y when they want to show their popular content X. It's about greed on the content providers end. They have no control if us people can watch whatever they want, whenever they want to.

Nobody cares outside the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26916983)

What is Hulu? Its a domestic US TV content company, this isnt news outside country code +1.

AG

My "solution"... (1)

thesolo (131008) | more than 5 years ago | (#26917013)

I guess I simply won't be upgrading anytime soon. :(

Boxee is great for pulling my TV shows & Movies ripped from my DVD collection off of my NAS, but I can't tell you how many times I've had people over and just found something on Hulu to watch, like the latest episode of 30 Rock or American Dad. This move kills one of the biggest reasons to use boxee for me.

There are loads of bugs in it that I want fixed, but if there's no more hulu, then what's the point?
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