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Microsoft Unveils Windows 7 File-Sharing Beta

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the we-totally-won't-sell-this-information dept.

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nandemoari writes "Microsoft yesterday released a trial version of new file-sharing software intended for use with its upcoming and highly-anticipated operating system. The new software allows PC users to swap files with the computers of friends, family, and trusted colleagues along safe, secure channels. Dubbed 'Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistant 6.5,' the beta connects the Windows Live IDs of individual users with a Windows 7 account, essentially building a secure link between data stored on a hard drive and information accessible via Windows Live online."

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They omitted something... (5, Funny)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920571)

They forgot to mention that all file transfers including mp3, wma, wmv, mpeg, etc. files will be logged and sent to the RIAA/MPAA.

Good for family photos, not good for everything.

Re:They omitted something... (4, Insightful)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920681)

Oh really? Can you please point out where it says that in the TOS?

Don't get me wrong, I've been with the Apple camp since before I can remember (20+ years) and I hate Microsoft, especially for their business practices; however that's quite a statement to make with nothing to back it up.

Re:They omitted something... (2)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920827)

How abouts something like....

"We reserve the right to change this EULA at any time, without informing you."

Re:They omitted something... (5, Funny)

spikenerd (642677) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920857)

...that's quite a statement to make with nothing to back it up.

Good point. Considering Microsoft's long history of consistently putting the user's best interest at the forefront of all their new product releases, we need some pretty strong reasons to *not* trust them implicitly.

Re:They omitted something... (5, Funny)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921459)

Aw jeez, now i need to get another fuse for my sarcasm-o-meter!

Re:They omitted something... (2, Funny)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921135)

Oh really? Can you please point out where it says that in the TOS? Don't get me wrong, I've been with the Apple camp since before I can remember (20+ years) and I hate Microsoft, especially for their business practices; however that's quite a statement to make with nothing to back it up.

You must be new here.....fall in line with the group think newbie.

Re:They omitted something... (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921189)

Um... whoosh?

Re:They omitted something... (1)

Phoenixhawk (1188721) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921467)

Indeed

Re:They omitted something... (0, Flamebait)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920689)

Nail. Head. You got it.

They will archive transfers you make, for years and years. Imagine if they are in litigation, all they do is look up the company officers of the company they are in court with and start reviewing the logs of all the files they have ever transferred.

I bet buried in the EULA is some really obtuse language that says there is no right to privacy for any document sent via the service. PDFs are indexed for keywords, etc.

Re:They omitted something... (5, Interesting)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920953)

They probably will. And that's probably the whole point. But not for the reason you think.

Microsoft is a company in trouble. It's main product, its flagship OS, is not selling a well as it might hope. For the first time in years it is faced with real and credible competition from both Apple and Canonical. It needs to stay competitive and its current liaisons with media companies are not helping it do that.

Culture has changed. File sharing is a fact of life for the majority of PC users. People share their files, not only documents and music, but also video files. Apple and Canonical have responded by giving users better tools and greater freedom with their files. Microsoft has responded by locking its systems down, putting barriers in the way of people trying to us their PCs.

But culture has changed. People want to transfer files between the now multiple machines and accounts in their homes. They want to show other people the files on their drives. Microsoft is waking up to this fact, not because they want to, but because in this day and age and culture, they have to.

Microsoft, desperate to get itself into the living room, has been caving into the media industry for years now. But it's still not in the living room, aside from the Xbox console, which does not need the media industry to get there. How has Microsoft, as a company, made profit by pandering to these outside interests? In ten years of compromises, what benefit has Microsoft seen to the restrictions it has placed in its operating system? As open alternatives replace Microsoft products in this domain (Bitorrent/VLC/Boxee), it's clear that people are voting with their feet, and are choosing players and distribution methods that just do what they want them to do, without telling them that they can't.

The media companies will kick and buck and scream and roar over this. It's an anathema to their world view, where users have only limited, and in some cases temporary, control and access over their files. But Microsoft has probably stopped listening, despite their now large ties to the entertainment industry. Times are getting tough, and with alternatives out there, they cannot afford Windows to be laden down with artificial barriers introduced at the behest of third parties.

Re:They omitted something... (4, Informative)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921197)

Microsoft is a company in trouble

I don't think so: Go to the links below and look at the max trends NASDAQ Composite: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ [google.com]
MSFT: http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MSFT [google.com]
If you notice MS has been following the same pattern as NASDAQ - yes down right now, but that is not because MS is failing it is because there is a tighter crunch in the market. This tighter crunch means companies are spending less, and they will hold onto their old infrastructure as long as possible (banks are notorious for having legacy products). It also means they are not converting to other infrastructure (contrary to popular belief it is not as easy/cheap to switch)

MS has a 159 billion market cap. Total revenue 2008 = 60,420 (million). Total revenue 2007 = 51,122 (million). Their total revenue went up. So did their net income.

No they don't have a failing product (dollar-wise) though what you say seems to fail.

Re:They omitted something... (5, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921477)

I believe that grandparent's point is not about stock value, but position in market. They've officially lost the battle for search engines, their phone OS is third best, their last desktop OS couldn't convince people to upgrade, office 2007 is controversial and their lock on text formats is crumbling, and aside from the video game division they've been wholly unable to get any momentum going in new markets.

Personally, I'm looking forward to desktop file sharing and synchronization, as it will mean I can stop running all these FTP servers everywhere. This move seems to imply that they're letting go of the idea of being a media company, and instead focusing on the actual revenue parts of their organization. Good for them.

They are in a Red Queen's Race (4, Informative)

mangu (126918) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921575)

If you notice MS has been following the same pattern as NASDAQ - yes down right now, but that is not because MS is failing it is because there is a tighter crunch in the market.

Considering they have spent tens of billions of dollars [nwsource.com] just to keep their market price from falling more, then I think one can say Microsoft is in deep trouble, considering the stock market alone.

Re:They omitted something... (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921323)

But it's still not in the living room, aside from the Xbox console, which does not need the media industry to get there

And with DRM dying (at least for music) there isn't a lot of hope that they'll be able to monopolize the living room. I don't see any particularly good reason for any online stores to choose to distribute in WMA when they can choose MP3 or AAC.

Re:They omitted something... (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921475)

Culture has changed. File sharing is a fact of life for the majority of PC users. People share their files, not only documents and music, but also video files. Apple and Canonical have responded by giving users better tools and greater freedom with their files. Microsoft has responded by locking its systems down, putting barriers in the way of people trying to us their PCs.

Er, what ?

it's a trap! (4, Insightful)

Cassini2 (956052) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921039)

I'm not sure I agree with the person that moderated the parent as Flame Bait. Microsoft is a big enough target that it doesn't want to get sued over copyright violations. That was why Vista and Windows 7 have all that DRM crap. Now Microsoft wants to build a secure utility to transparently share files between people over the internet.

Has anyone ever built a secure file sharing utility over the internet that hasn't been abused in some way? Ever?

Sometimes it is just too easy to guess peoples passwords. People will share the potentially embarrassing items, whether it is an embarrassing picture, or a copyrighted song. Microsoft will log all this information. One enterprising teen could make all of your dirty laundry public knowledge.

Re:They omitted something... (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921597)

That's why I use RAR files encrypted with strong passwords when I send any attachments of a personal nature over GMail. I don't think this will be much different...

Yeehaw (2, Funny)

XcepticZP (1331217) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920579)

Go Microsoft!!

Re:Yeehaw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26920677)

Good old MS always working for the government. When will you learn Microsoft people don't like narks of any kind. Especially ones built into your computer.

Irony? (2, Funny)

jetsci (1470207) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920591)

Now I can conveniently share my Windows_Release_BT.iso! Thank you Microsoft.

Re:Irony? (2, Funny)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920779)

Now I can conveniently share my Windows_Release_BT.iso! Thank you Microsoft.

Now that thought might even motivate them to make it work with Linux...

Re:Irony? (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921187)

True, but since it's a Windows 7 feature, you can only share with people who already have it..

Re:Irony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921247)

I suppose you could share a VMWare image of Windows 7 which is then remotely mounted with an active share of another copy of the Windows 7 image, which in turn is mounted on the initial OS and shares another instance of it.. so on. Call it the vortex of fail.

Re:Irony? (3, Funny)

jetsci (1470207) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921263)

...down-right brilliant. Not sure I understand the application but it sure was confusing, therefore, brilliant...

Waiting for the penny to drop.... (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920609)

What DRM is built into this that prevents people from sharing copyrighted works with their friends, family, and trusted associates? Something tells me that this will reek of DRM excrement from the first double click.

Re:Waiting for the penny to drop.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26920709)

Ummm...Are you "waiting for the other shoe to drop" or are you waiting for someone to "drop a dime" on MS DRM?

Re:Waiting for the penny to drop.... (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920849)

If you attempt to share a copyrighted file, a group of armed men kick down your door, take you away, and leave a note behind in your handwriting saying "I'm on vacation. Don't look for me." Pretty heavy-handed, but at least the software is free.

Re:Waiting for the penny to drop.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921035)

you think that's bad? try fixing your air conditioner without the proper paperwork!

Re:Waiting for the penny to drop.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921333)

Tuttle, is that you? Heheheheh!

Anything like Windows Live Sync? (5, Interesting)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920861)

I wonder if this will be anything like Windows Live Sync, which is quite useful.

Live Sync doesn't have any sort of DRM as far as I'm aware, but I believe there are limits on file size and total number of files. In any case, I use it to keep several hundred documents synced transparently between my XP desktop and OS X laptop.

Re:Anything like Windows Live Sync? (0, Troll)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921193)

Do the 8 thousand voices around you screaming DRM/danger/It's a trap seem to have any indication of this being anything other than a ticking timebomb in your pc?

Man, I've heard of selective hearing but damn!

Microsoft is just cutting off its nose to spite it's face. For the infinite #th time.

Re:Waiting for the penny to drop.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921045)

SQUAWK! SQUAWK! DRM! SQUAWK!

Re:Waiting for the penny to drop.... (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921615)

I use password-encrypted RARs when I send anything over GMail that I don't want the Google spooks reading...

...such as EXEs, which it automatically blocks if it detects. I suppose this would work just as well for other file types...

Clever, actually (4, Interesting)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920611)

All the benefits of ftp without the bandwidth cost of a fileserver. My question is whether there's a way to cap the amount of files that can be requested from you, in order to keep your monthly up limit from being clobbered.

Re:Clever, actually (3, Insightful)

capt.Hij (318203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920739)

Actually, I was thinking rsync over ssh. It is not so clear from the article, but if this is the case then it is big. The combination of rsync and ssh is one of the most used tool combinations for me. If it is rsync "like' then that should reduce the bandwidth issues that you (rightfully) raise.

Re:Clever, actually (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921281)

How is that? The data doesn't magically jump off your machine and onto someone else's. You could get pretty much exactly the same effect by running an FTP server on your machine and then giving the passwords to some central web site somewhere that freely shares them with "trusted" users.

Re:Clever, actually (3, Insightful)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921639)

What I like is when somebody installs the default LimeWire distro, allows it to share their entire My Document folder, and forgets that anyone in the world can now download My Passwords.doc...

Re:Clever, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921297)

Monthly up limit?
Are there any ISP's that have something like that(with the exception of UMTS/EDGE)?

Re:Clever, actually (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921423)

All the benefits of ftp without the bandwidth cost of a fileserver.

You know you don't particularly need a dedicated file server to use something like FTP, right?

All the problems with running FTP on a home desktop machine are associated with having a dynamic IP rather than static, and otherwise with the fact that FTP kind of sucks as a protocol.

Anyway, I'm not sure all that matters. If this provides new functionality that's helpful for their customers, then good for Microsoft for including those features. File sharing is still a little too painful.

Faster, easier way to infect friends and familysPC (4, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920619)

This just reeks of a way to "securely" send viruses through a new security hole! No way in hell I would enable this.

Re:Faster, easier way to infect friends and family (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921149)

Really?? Is that really all you have to say? To me this seems like a "pull" service, not a push service. This means that you would not have the ability to "push" a virus to a remote system, but would be able to pull a compromised file from a remote location.

Even if you could push files out, you would still need the remote computer to run the file, so it's really no different then a p2p application. Bashing the app (or more likely MS in general) when this "security hole" is neither unique to windows nor this specific application is childish.

Re:Faster, easier way to infect friends and family (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921321)

Because this is so much less secure than AIM...

Hard to say exactly what it is at the moment (1)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920633)

The article and the summary on microsoft are both pretty lacking. It's hard to tell if this is a dropbox-esque implementation, or if it's something more along the lines of a distributed file system.

This provider enables linking a Windows Live ID to a Windows 7 user account.

Does this mean we'll have an AFS like login system where we'll be able to mount our home files from anywhere? Give us some more details windows.

Wait until the malware guys exploit this... (4, Informative)

nycguy (892403) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920637)

They will make hijacking someone's contact list for spam look like a walk in the park.

Other than that, it seems like it's just for setting up circle jerks to porn.

Storage (2, Informative)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920655)

That's actually pretty cool. Making a homegroup painless and takes a few mouse clicks, and if you have a copy of the beta you (most likely) already have a .NET passport.

So, Homegroup + .NET passport = free file sharing to anyone on your homegroup? Intriguing, but the article implies that there must be a way to invite a computer NOT on your LAN into a homegroup. I'm guessing that's what that new file sharing program is about.

.net passport (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920831)

Is that like a hotmail login?

They probably have some super secret Microsoft IP in this one. Proabably loaded with patents, it's so creative [wikipedia.org] .

Live? (2, Interesting)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920657)

Hey, if it can associate information with Windows Live accounts, can it also associate information with Xbox Live accounts? As far as I know, they all use the same MS Passport username and password.

How does the new KDE 4.2 do this? (4, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920707)

Anyone know how the new KDE 4.2 handles file sharing with other KDE 4.2 desktop environments? The file sharing in Windows 95 was pretty straight forward. Windows 98, not so much. Windows XP was not so easy. It's my hope that Windows 7 will be straight forward.

I think file sharing had a bug within Windows XP SP2 because until on edited the registry, things just did not work.

Now before I get labled as a troll, the registry setting I am talking about is this:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa {change restrictanonymous to 0 }

Then it worked.

Re:How does the new KDE 4.2 do this? (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920765)

So, thats the problem with sharing with anony on a XP install. I was wondering if I broke something.

Loads up VirtualBox OSE....

Yeah. That fixes the problem. Thanks.

Re:How does the new KDE 4.2 do this? (2, Informative)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921559)

So, thats the problem with sharing with anony on a XP install. I was wondering if I broke something.

The proper way to do this is to enable the Guest account, which is disabled by default. You can do that in User Management.

Re:How does the new KDE 4.2 do this? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26920845)

KDE 4.2 just plain sucks donkey balls. Grow up, kiddie!

Re:How does the new KDE 4.2 do this? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921285)

I believe it is remote:/ in Dolphin (the file manager), but I only have one box running KDE, so I'm not sure.

That said, sftp and scp are remarkably easy for securely moving files. scp @: . works from more or less any linux or Mac computer. As in anywhere.

Re:How does the new KDE 4.2 do this? (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921541)

Now before I get labled as a troll, the registry setting I am talking about is this:

On the non-home versions of XP, you need to manually enable the Guest account for "anonymouse" sharing. You can do this in Users and Groups, or you can do it the hard way and edit the Registry.

In the Home versions, AFAICR, there's a sharing wizard that achieves the same end (of course, this being Slashdot, where everyone knows better, that's probably not widely known).

That's really cool (2, Interesting)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920715)

Lemee see. Ill go and create a FUSE driver that utilizes this service. Now, Ill point this service at GPG files.

Gee golly Whillikers! You cant read anything I have. Nice though. Encrypted storage dump you can share. Just trade keys out of band, say thorough Gmail.

Product naming, again (4, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920783)

Dubbed "Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistant 6.5,"

Apple would've called it "iShare" or something else friendly and inviting. Who does MS hire to come up with those horrid, unwieldy names?

Re:Product naming, again (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26920875)

Dubbed "Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistant 6.5,"

Apple would've called it "iShare" or something else friendly and inviting. Who does MS hire to come up with those horrid, unwieldy names?

Considering it can go by the 'Windows LISA', Apple may have something to talk about.

Though their Lisa was a failure...

Re:Product naming, again (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920951)

Someone may want to register windowslisa.com. Just saying...

Re:Product naming, again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921359)

It's for my new window slicing company. There's no window we can't slice!

Re:Product naming, again (1)

Kickasso (210195) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921071)

There's a linux thingy called 'lisa' that sorta can do file sharing. Not that it matters.

Re:Product naming, again (1)

arndawg (1468629) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921133)

Considering it can go by the 'Windows LISA',

What are you doiing Liiisa? - i've never heard you sing! GOD DAMNIT I need to get that song out of my head.

Re:Product naming, again (3, Informative)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920937)

Apple calls it MobileMe [apple.com] .

Re:Product naming, again (2, Funny)

stefanburt (874462) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920979)

Why not just call it Windows Live Share and forget the rest of the nonsense? I would love to see the snappy advertising poster to this campaign, "New Windows 7 with Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistant 6.5", with a picture of a neural region non specific person looking completely confused and longing for the boring old days of one build of an os with-other tons of confusing versioning numbers.

Re:Product naming, again (2, Insightful)

jgrahn (181062) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921157)

Dubbed "Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistant 6.5,"

Apple would've called it "iShare" or something else friendly and inviting. Who does MS hire to come up with those horrid, unwieldy names?

Maybe the same guy who came up with "HP OpenView Configuration Management Application Self-Service Manager". It's so unwieldy, even making an acronym of it doesn't help: HPOVCMASSM.

(What it is? Kind of apt-get for Windows, done badly.)

Re:Product naming, again (4, Funny)

I cant believe its n (1103137) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921177)

Dubbed "Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistant 6.5,"

Apple would've called it "iShare" or something else friendly and inviting. Who does MS hire to come up with those horrid, unwieldy names?

That would be Karl Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg.

Re:Product naming, again (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921245)

Apple called it "iDisk." That name was taken, so MS had to pick the next best one.

Re:Product naming, again (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921283)

Apple would've called it "iShare" or something else friendly and inviting. Who does MS hire to come up with those horrid, unwieldy names?

Two different philosophies: 1) Less descriptive, but sounds cool - may leave the person saying "I have no clue what this does"
2) MOre descriptive, sounds something NASA would use but gives more description

All depends how you want to go about it. Though this is pre-release, by release date they may very well change the name to say "Windows Live ID Sign-In Assistant" and drop the versioning

Re:Product naming, again (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921515)

Well it does seem like there's a third option: pick something that is relative simple but that gives the user some idea of what the service does.

Warning - concealed terms of service (4, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920853)

The Microsoft announcement says "Use of the software is governed by the Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistance 6.5 Beta License Agreement accessible as a file in this download." So you can't read the terms of service without downloading (and installling?) the software.

For something that opens up remote access to local machines, with that access under the control of Microsoft, this matters. What responsibility does Microsoft take for the security of your stored data? Is the system HIPPA compliant? Would it meet the standards for confidentiality of legal work product? Those of the Industrial Security Manual for unclassified but sensitive information? Does Microsoft claim any ownership rights in your data (like Facebook just tried?) Can your stored data be used to target advertising (like Google does?) What cryptosystem is being used? Who has access to the keys?

Until all those questions have been answered and the answers reviewed by qualified third parties, using this system in a business environment might be construed as gross negligence.

Re:Warning - concealed terms of service (1)

slackoon (997078) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921125)

true but did anyone actually intend to use this in a business environment? If they did I say they deserve what they get!

Re:Warning - concealed terms of service (3, Informative)

Unoriginal Nick (620805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921241)

The Microsoft announcement says "Use of the software is governed by the Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistance 6.5 Beta License Agreement accessible as a file in this download." So you can't read the terms of service without downloading (and installling?) the software.

If you scroll down further, you'll see "Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistant 6.5 beta License Terms.rtf" which can be downloaded and viewed separately without having to install the program.

Re:Warning - concealed terms of service (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921315)

So you can't read the terms of service without downloading (and installling?) the software.

Uninstall

Is the system HIPPA compliant?

They have no more responsibility to protect your medical records then Google does if you use gmail to send your medical records. HIPPA is for patient, doctor, medical facilities. Now if MS started to advertise and offer services of medical data storage then they would have to follow HIPPA laws.

Re:Warning - concealed terms of service (2, Insightful)

flaming error (1041742) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921581)

Is the system HIPPA compliant? Would it meet the standards for confidentiality of legal work product? Those of the Industrial Security Manual for unclassified but sensitive information?

You forgot to ask if this software is UL listed, meets local building codes, and if it weighs less than a duck.

What cryptosystem is being used? Who has access to the keys?

That is the right question.

Re:Warning - concealed terms of service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921767)

Can your stored data be used to target advertising (like Google does?)

My guess is the data will be used by a Clippy agent built into the OS (just try to get rid of him). "Looks like you're trying to download porn. Can I help you find a particular actor/actress?"

Even better, your shared folders now have in-your-face advertising. You open up a shared folder and a whole bunch of "Click Me" ads pop up. I'm sure there's a patent somewhere for that...

Skydrive is nice already (2, Informative)

The Mr. One (1482085) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920865)

Actually, I think Microsoft's Skydrive is already a good platform for sharing, 25GB space free, share with people who have live passport, and not just photos, but all file types. More importantly, Mac users can use it too. You just need a web browser.

Thanks MSFT (2, Funny)

slackoon (997078) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920877)

Thanks MSFT for allowing the average user to host his/her own porn server for all their friends!!!!

Why? (0, Troll)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26920973)

Why would I use something that will be the target of hackers, more than likely screened or DRMed, and potentially logged,when free, even desktop alternatives exist? No thanks!

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921201)

Why would I use something that will be the target of hackers, more than likely screened or DRMed, and potentially logged,when free, even desktop alternatives exist? No thanks!

SQUAWK! SQUAWK! DRM! SQUAWK!

Re:Why? (0, Redundant)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921505)

Why would I use something that will be the target of hackers, more than likely screened or DRMed, and potentially logged,when free, even desktop alternatives exist? No thanks!

SQUAWK! SQUAWK! DRM! SQUAWK!

Damn right I'm squawking. Especially when there are many services like this that are DRM free.

Re:Why? (0, Flamebait)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921751)

And so's this for all we know. How about you shut up until you've seen it? Really now!

TPB situation (5, Insightful)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921027)

Presumably, if someone shares copyrighted files with this system, then a similar argument would apply that the prosecution is using against the current Pirate Bay case.

MS would be the pirate bay in concept.

Re:TPB situation (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921365)

Unless MS promises to monitor and try and prevent people from sharing copyrighted material. Something pirate bay does not do. There are many applications, sites, etc that allow you to store/share files on remote systems but it all depends on how they are setup to be used. I don't think MS is going to open up the file sharing like torrents, you will need to log in via your .Net passport - so unlike pirate bay where thousands of people will hit a torrent, this will be limited to a few people. I am also willing to bet MS will put in system flags, for example if your files are being accessed by more then 5 people it alerts them.

Re:TPB situation (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921409)

That is why, as some earlier poster has noted, MS is likely to have systems in place to identify copyrighted works, and notify the copyright holders of the abuse.

I'm sticking with FTP that I pay for. Honestly, a computer costs at minimum $100/Year, not counting software or an overpriced OS like Windows. I'll take that Windows tax and plop it down on a few hundred gigs of backed-up hosting with a company that is constantly taking my money, and therefore has a clear incentive not to piss me off. As opposed to Microsoft, who took my money 3 years ago, and still thinks it has the right to more, even though it's been degrading the services offered for the past 6 years.

Ninnle already does this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921031)

Wide area virtual networking has been a part of Ninnle Linux for some time, since 2003, to be exact. Ninnle Labs has been working on ports for this, and add-ons for Ninnle Office will be available shortly, for all Linux platforms as well as Windows and Mac. Ninnle Office is available right now for all platforms.

HA HA (0, Redundant)

Wolfmandan72 (1395113) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921051)

"ITS A TRAP"!-Admiral Ackbar

No. Not now. Not ever. I'm Coming For All of You! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921067)

Both Windows and Mac OS X are turning into client-side layers for online services (Live and MobileMe).

I think we all know why (Google), but it sucks and when the mainstream catches on, they are going to run screaming to Linux (at least until it is outlawed like PC HDTV, lol)

"We are the Borg, please enter your Windows Live ID and logon for private-life penetration testing, peer pressure and psychological purification." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMZc_XuPh8

Re:No. Not now. Not ever. I'm Coming For All of Yo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921435)

I think we all know why (Google), but it sucks and when the mainstream catches on, they are going to run screaming to Linux? (at least until it is outlawed like PC HDTV, lol)

lol

Awww.... (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921097)

For a moment I thought they meant they'd put a BitTorrent client in the OS like Linux distros do.

Thinking about it, that would actually be scary.

Traceroute myshare.live.com (5, Funny)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921101)

C:> tracert myshare.live.com
traceroute to myshare.live.com (12.34.56.78), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
your.provider.com (234.213.535.213) 43.436 ms 45.114 ms 46.053 ms
check.riaa.com (234.24.24.546) 43.436 ms 45.114 ms 46.053 ms
check.mpaa.com (34.57.25.123) 43.436 ms 45.114 ms 46.053 ms
check.us.gov (34.63.32.467) 43.436 ms 45.114 ms 46.053 ms
spam.group.net (43.64.32.57) 43.436 ms 45.114 ms 46.053 ms
myshare.live.com (234.213.535.213) 43.436 ms 45.114 ms 46.053 ms

*connection successfully established*

Re:Traceroute myshare.live.com (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921589)

> check.riaa.com (234.24.24.546) 43.436 ms 45.114 ms 46.053 ms

Haha! That's not an IPv4 address. But wait... you're on to something here!

Wow, we could get more IP addresses if we allowed the numbers to go up to 1000 or something.

Re:Traceroute myshare.live.com (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921769)

Yeah, but we couldn't transmit them over the network. 'Cause, you know, they're transmitted as 32 bits.

And that's why they created IPv6: 128 bits instead of 32. That many addresses should last a while...

And shortly after... (1)

ZWarrior (194861) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921103)

On his homegroup, Bob wants to share certain documents with his wife but not with his kids. Simply by specifying his wifeâ(TM)s Windows Live ID user name, Bob can give his wife exclusive permission to access documents on his computer.

Shortly thereafter Bob's wife files for divorce because he mistakenly included all his special pron files in the access permissions.

C$ share? (2, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921129)

Isn't Windows itself basically a giant filesharing application?

DirectConnect (1)

Darktan (817653) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921175)

So....how is this different from DirectConnect?

Re:DirectConnect (1)

CMF Risk (833574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921777)

So....how is this different from DirectConnect?

It might actually work?

service not windows 7 specific (1)

freddyrios (1482113) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921261)

This technology isn't windows 7 specific, notice that you can use it on: https://sync.live.com/ [live.com]

Is this Live Mesh under another name? (3, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921353)

i've been a beta tester for while and it's not bad. from what i've seen they don't filter anything. very nice if you are on vacation.

i had it set up on my laptop and home PC. On vacation i would take pictures of my son and copy the files to the shared folder and automatically sync to my home PC. And it has integrated terminal services where you don't need to add a firewall rule on your home firewall. you can get into your home PC from anywhere on the internet.

Security (5, Funny)

K_E_Morr (463022) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921595)

I'm sure this thing will be completely bullet proof security wise.

Hacker's Joy (1)

sls1j (580823) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921621)

Yes! Another vector for distributing viruses and worms!!! Whoo hoo!

Breaking news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921693)

This just in - D@rkGn1ght, a member of the underworld hacking community has released a bot into the wild that pulls social security numbers, credit card history, and the blood types of all people using Windows File Sharing Beta. In related news, Steve Balmer is embarrassed, again.

From the edge of mediocrity and obsolescence.. (0, Troll)

phrackwulf (589741) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921739)

Microsoft takes a good long look and throws itself into the abyss. "HERE WE ARE!" Infect us with viruses you script kiddies you! Windows 7 Neon Bulls eye, now in Home, Business and Ultimate flavors.

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