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Pirate Bay Founder Begs For Hacker Ceasefire

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the please-hammer-don't-hurt-'em dept.

The Courts 243

Barence writes "Pirate Bay's co-founder has pleaded for hackers to stop attacking the sites of those organizations lined up against him. Peter Sunde is on trial with Pirate Bay's three other founders for allegedly distributing copyrighted material. The trial is about to enter its fourth day, and in a gesture of support for the four men hackers have begun assaulting plaintiff websites, beginning with that of the The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. The campaign has caused concern in the Pirate Bay camp, prompting Sunde to write a post titled 'We're winning, stop hacking, please' on his blog."

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243 comments

With friends like these... (5, Funny)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921223)

Who needs enemies, eh? :P

Re:With friends like these... (2, Insightful)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921705)

Cease fire means stop for now because good may come of it, but if it doesn't, the victor is usually the one who strikes first and hard at the end of the cease fire while the enemy is adjusting their shit.

Or that's my understanding of it, anyways...

Re:With friends like these... (5, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921915)

The unfortunate reality is that, depending on what happens, this could conceivably be construed as either (a) evidence of bad faith (which courts really don't like) or (b) an attempt to intimidate plaintiffs or plaintiff witnesses, which would be a MAJOR problem for the defense (who would then be under the gun to prove total noninvolvement).

Remember: all it takes is one trumped-up charge to slip past the court/jury to make things go down the shitter.

Re:With friends like these... (1)

HartDev (1155203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921741)

Would it be a bad thing to say, "ha ha" simspons style?

Cease fire (5, Interesting)

jetsci (1470207) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921237)

"Cease fire boys, we got 'em where we want 'em!" Reminds me of my old Staff. Sergeant. Even if TPB wins, I imagine this will change the front of file-sharing once again and new technology will emerge. I'm just curious what it will be...

Re:Cease fire (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921341)

Reminds me of my old Staff. Sergeant.

What's "Staff." short for?

Re:Cease fire (1)

jetsci (1470207) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921361)

Let there be light!

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/military-ranks.htm [vaughns-1-pagers.com]

Re:Cease fire (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921411)

Answer the question Claire!

Re:Cease fire (4, Funny)

Muad'Dave (255648) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921591)

Staffordshire, in England. Stiff upper lip, and all that. Known for it's particularly fierce Sergeants, much like Nepal is known for its Gurkhas [wikipedia.org] , and for its Bull Terriers [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Cease fire (4, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921931)

Staffordshire, in England. Stiff upper lip, and all that. Known for it's particularly fierce Sergeants, much like Nepal is known for its Gurkhas, and for its Bull Terriers.

What's a Nepalese Bull Terrier like?

Re:Cease fire (4, Funny)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922267)

In the right sauce, tastes just like chicken.

Re:Cease fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922137)

Really? I live there, and I think it's more well known for farmers and cow shit. Hardly one of the posher parts of the UK. :-)

in reverse order (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922719)

its Bull Terriers [wikipedia.org]

Right.

its Gurkhas [wikipedia.org]

Right.

it's particularly fierce Sergeants

Wrong.

Re:Cease fire (5, Funny)

tacarat (696339) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921737)

What's "Staff." short for?

In the military, like most jobs, the staff is always short for funding or recruiting reasons.

Re:Cease fire (1)

russlar (1122455) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921507)

I'm just curious what it will be...

I predict a revival of the Sneakernet.

Re:Cease fire (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921667)

How about VPNs? With ddwrt having site to site VPN built in, you can tie your media collection with a few friends, and share everything securely.

Re:Cease fire (2, Insightful)

0xygen (595606) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922031)

For the majority of torrent traffic out there, I think we're safe to assume most people are not personal friends with aXXo, RELOADED, Fairlight, Outlaws, KLAXXON, etc etc.

I see Microsoft are already trying to get market share on your idea though... http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/19/1822236 [slashdot.org]

Re:Cease fire (3, Funny)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921593)

"Cease fire boys, we got 'em where we want 'em!"

... surrounded from the inside!

Boo, This is Court! More Theatrics! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921239)

"We're winning, stop hacking, please"

I would prefer something more theatrical such as:

Does it please the court to know that my hand has stayed the executioner's sword from the neck of the prosecution?

Re:Boo, This is Court! More Theatrics! (5, Funny)

tacarat (696339) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921773)

I'd mod you up strictly for my love of flowery bullshit phrasing.

Shouldn't affect the case (3, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921243)

I can see how this can affect the general opinion against them but it shouldn't affect the case as such should it?

Law is law and different opinions or not agreeing with someone else is a totally different thing.

Understandable how he wants to play nice though.

Re:Shouldn't affect the case (1)

Zironic (1112127) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921295)

Since the prosecution is trying to prove intent supporting the hackers would look rather bad.

Re:Shouldn't affect the case (2, Insightful)

SpeedyDX (1014595) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921607)

It depends on the individual judge. Normally, of course, judges supposed to look at all the evidence and arguments presented, the relevant case law, and use those as the bases for their decision. They do, however, sometimes come up with a decision based on their own biases, then try to work their way backwards and come up with reasons to support their decision. Sometimes it is evident when this type of situation occurs, but you can never really be sure.

In this case, if the children - err, sorry, hackers - continue their unnecessary and foolhardy assault on these organizations' sites, it may prompt the judge to look at the defendents in a harsher light than necessary. If criminals (or at the very least, immoral hackers) are backing TPB, then why is it a stretch to say that TPB has been assisting in some form of not-perfectly-legal activity?

I'm not saying this will happen for sure, nor am I saying that it is likely to happen. It is, however, a distinct possibility. The actions of these children - again, sorry, hackers - are putting TPB in a much more difficult situation than they need to be. They are shooting themselves in the foot, and taking TPB down with them.

Re:Shouldn't affect the case (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921927)

Way to be childish yourself, asshat, sorry, fucktard, oh oops, idiot.

Re:Shouldn't affect the case (4, Funny)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922383)

Don't be an ass. Maybe his backspace key is fucked up -- oh, sorry, impaired -- or maybe his meatbeaters -- oh, sorry, hands -- are too weak -- again, sorry, atrophied -- to manipulate the larger -- oh, sorry, full figured -- key.

Re:Shouldn't affect the case (1)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921929)

If criminals (or at the very least, immoral hackers) are backing TPB, then why is it a stretch to say that TPB has been assisting in some form of not-perfectly-legal activity?

Lots of people support TPB, for a variety of reasons. I'd be more surprised to find that "immoral hackers" were underrepresented vs. a random sample of the Internet-using population.

You can't judge an individual, organization, or movement by its most disreputable supporters. If only "immoral hackers" supported TPB that would be a different story, but such is not the case.

Re:Shouldn't affect the case (1)

gnuASM (825066) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922657)

For all we know, the plaintiffs are orchestrating this themselves for the exact purpose of planting this kind of bias into the judge. I had the prosecution pull stunts like this in 2004 in a case I was involved with. It is far more likely, in my opinion, that the plaintiffs are doing this themselves BECAUSE they are losing, and to defame any possible associations the defendants may have, or to tie them to criminals or those with criminal activity is the only way they have a chance at prosecution.

Re:Shouldn't affect the case (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922819)

why is it a stretch to say that TPB has been assisting in some form of not-perfectly-legal activity?

Nobody disputes that TPB has been assisting in illegal activity. The only question is whether they've done anything illegal themselves. If they themselves have done nothing illegal, then the court won't care what was shared using their trackers - even if 80% of it was snuff child porn with a Britney soundtrack.

(Of course, if they are acquitted, expect the law to change within months. And expect it to be an international treaty, to stop pesky democracy from changing the law back again at the next election...)

The human mind is funny (4, Informative)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922545)

The human mind is actually funny. We all think we can juggle multiple variables, and only look at the important, but the cruel (and proven by studies) reality is that everything gets dragged towards the value of "how much I like or dislike that guy on the whole." That overall opinion isn't an average of the individual and independently-evaluated values, but rather the other way around, a value that gets averaged into all the others.

It works equally well for:

- humans. If person X really likes person Z, the same personality traits will be given a big positive delta. "Yeah, he's outspoken, but we need people who call things as they are. And yeah, he finishes his projects later than other people, but he's a perfectionist and you can't rush quality. And maybe some bugs slip past his tests, but it's inevitable in this line of work." If person Y really hates Z, the same things get a big negative delta in their perception. "He's rude and lazy, and his programs are so buggy you have to wonder if he even tried starting them before committing in CVS." Which is why being the boss's best buddy actually works.

- companies and products. Fanboy flamewars are probably the best illustration of it at work. You see extreme deltas applied in their perception, so the same thing (which is probably not even important for anyone else) becomes pure perfection and even God couldn't have done it better to one camp, and the work of Satan to the other camp.

- games. E.g., see all the people who swore that everything about WoW is perfection when they liked it, and flipped to swearing that every single aspect or design decision is pure evil and only deluded idiots like it, when they eventually got bored of the game.

Etc.

Or to put it otherwise, there's a reason why everyone from Bill Gates to some obscure singer tries to whitewash their PR image, by means varying from posing as the great philanthropist (e.g., Bill Gates) to milking some compassion (e.g., Michael Jackson.) Because while we _should_ be evaluating the products based on their individual merits, liking the guy actually makes you like his products too, and hating him makes you find more faults in his products.

What I'm trying to get to is: judges and _especially_ juries should judge the facts independent of any other factors, but they're still humans like the rest of us. Many a case (again, especially when it involved a jury) ended up actually being judged by how well one likes the defendant, or by which lawyer is more charismatic.

So it's probably a good idea to avoid being perceived in some unsympathetic light, e.g., as "one of those evil hackers."

Good Christ.... (1, Funny)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921255)

If this may hunt pirates to appear in a bad light, then I believe it is either a little stupid scriptkiddie somewhere that does not understand it, or any file sharing opponents actually want to win sympathy by running with a bit of foul play. It is possible of course, but how likely is it I do not know.

Dare I say: is someone who is nice when he accused person becomes upset and says that this is not appreciated? And that the hack would not favor the matter should properly be obvious. Or the whole idea of the network for that matter, an open network.

It is not great to be accused and afflicted. If any of that should be on the right side being behaving like idiots, it is rejected twice. And chop the plaintiff's website is idiocy.

There are intelligent ways to support, for example, by using the brain.

=Smidge=

Re:Good Christ.... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921433)

I hope English isn't your first language.

Re:Good Christ.... (0, Flamebait)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921873)

Are you kidding me? One of the first people you blame is the opponents of file sharing? Get real - these are often the same folk who go to black hat conventions, and spend their spare time devising attacks on software - I think it's far more logical that people doing things like this are very much the fans of TPB.

"Little stupid scriptkiddie somewhere that doesn't understand" is also a bit of a reach. All the more "mature" warez/sceners know far better than to do this kind of thing, right?

Re:Good Christ.... (2, Informative)

Skrapion (955066) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922445)

What the GP is suggesting is a conspiracy theory, that the opponents to file sharing hired some hackers to attack their own sites, under the assumption that everybody will suspect TPB is behind the attack and that it will ruin TPB's credibility.

Now, I don't prescribe to this conspiracy theory, but the opponents to file sharing aren't as adverse to hiring hackers as you seem to think. [wired.com]

Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (5, Funny)

MisterSquirrel (1023517) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921299)

Of course, as any decent hacker knows, "Stop hacking please" is just a l33t-speak code message for, "Keep up the good work"!

Re:Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (4, Informative)

etnoy (664495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921375)

Of course, as any decent hacker knows, "Stop hacking please" is just a l33t-speak code message for, "Keep up the good work"!

Actually, he wrote "We're winning, stop hacking plz" [brokep.com] , which is much more funny. He also wrote [twitter.com] "EPIC WINNING LOL" on Twitter after the first round in the courtroom. And he's the press spokesperson for TPB, :)

Re:Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (0, Offtopic)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921447)

"EPIC WINNING LOL"

So basically he is saying that these hackers are raiding the various wings of these lawsuit organizations. So are the drops purpz or orangez?

RIAA Wing
MPAA Wing
FedGov Wing
Metallica Wing
Now who are the two main bosses?

Re:Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921651)

RIAA Wing
MPAA Wing
FedGov Wing
Metallica Wing

At least one nice thing about the Metallica wing is that it features their old, good songs like "The Four Horsemen". You know, back when they encouraged bootlegging. ;)

The RIAA Wing is all Britney Spears and the MPAA wing is all John Williams scores. The FedGov Wing just plays the XFiles theme song over and over, which is cool at first but gets kinda old.

Now who are the two main bosses?

Good question. Uh... Sonny Bono and Walt Disney?

Re:Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921867)

I don't know who the other is, but one of them must be Cats.

I'll wait, it'll come...

Re:Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (1)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922359)

He said "EPIC" and not "LEGENDARY", so I'm guessing purple. :-)

Re:Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921391)

Yeah, it's not like he can officially condone this behavior and expect to win a suit that's based around his support of the hacking community. I say hack on. That way he's demonstrated that he doesn't support the hacking, you've demonstrated that he has no control over you, and maybe these people will learn to quit hassling file sharers.

Re:Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921709)

Why would he even unofficially condone it? It's only effect will be to make some sysadmins work overtime keeping an eye on the server. These corporations treat their web site as a form of advertising, and they aren't going to go away just by taking it down.

Brilliant ploy (2, Interesting)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921993)

Another take on this is to let a wider sympathetic audience know that there is hacking going on. By giving more people the idea, they are probably insuring that a new wave of attacks on the plaintiffs' internet assets will occur.

By stating this as a plea to cease, they also get to claim that they have no control or involvement in any illegal hacking that is occurring. The can adopt the moral high ground and demonstrate that they are trying to curtail illegal activity being perpetrated by less savory individuals.

Well played, sir. Well played.

Re:Stop hacking please, nudge nudge wink wink (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922287)

Funny, I thought more, the pirate bay would have seeded an attack code for all bot nets, and then denied responsibility, by saying all their "fans" supporting them are responsible.
I love piratebay, but most users are not of the calibur to be able to DDoS attack their competitors or enemies.

Holy Shit! (2, Informative)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921337)

An actual link to a real blog instead of JUST the link to the no analysis ad revenue suckhole article.

Re:Holy Shit! (1)

ep32g79 (538056) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921481)

Re:Holy Shit! (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921543)

Whoosh!

My point was the link IS there. As opposed to most submissions.

Re:Holy Shit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922619)

[lol=fail] Should've included sarcasm tags [/lol]

Hacking these sites is futile (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921343)

Especially RIAA, IFPI, MPAA, et al. Aside from unnecessary negative publicity, taking down these static zero-hit sites accomplishes nothing. Immanuel Kant said it best, "If a site is hacked and no one visits the defaced page, can it be truly considered a hack?"

Re:Hacking these sites is futile (1)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921909)

Immanuel Kant said it best, "If a site is hacked and no one visits the defaced page, can it be truly considered a hack?"

He truly was a man ahead of his time!

Re:Hacking these sites is futile (1)

justthinkit (954982) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922301)

Futile, unless the hacks are being done by RIAA, IFPI, MPAA employees.

False flag [wikipedia.org] operations are no one's exclusive domain.

Bishop Berkeley, not Kant (2, Informative)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922517)

Berkeley, not Kant [wikipedia.org] .

Jeez. . . (0, Troll)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921345)

What a sell-out. . .

Suspicious (5, Insightful)

Eudial (590661) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921371)

One should be open to the possibility of IFPI "hacking" themselves to gain popular support. It is, after all, instant sympathy. It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened.

Re:Suspicious (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921493)

One should be open to the possibility of IFPI "hacking" themselves to gain popular support. It is, after all, instant sympathy. It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened.

Doesn't seem like that would be very effective. The only people who even notice are probably going to be those who already have entrenched opinions on RIAA and company already (pro or con). Is this going to make it onto general news anywhere?

Not only that, but how would this be relevant to the actual case?

I don't actually know the answers to those questions, they weren't entirely hypothetical.

Re:Suspicious (1)

Eudial (590661) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921703)

Even if the trial outcome may not be affected, there is also a war of opinion outside the courtroom (at least in Sweden, where the copyright issue gets a lot of media space, partially due to the pirate party). And the undeniable effect of moves like this is that

* There is an appearance of dissent amongst the pirates, that they are unreliable and can't even agree with themselves.

* The poor copyright lobby looks like it's a victim to savage internet-hoodlums with no respect for the law or society.

Re:Suspicious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922689)

It _is_ very effective.
I went to their site today to see what labels are IFPI members, so I could avoid them, but I couldn't get to their site!!

Luckily, Google had it cached, so I could see the list. And it's a long list, IFPI is like RIAA++.

Re:Suspicious (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922067)

It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened.

What is the first time something like this has happened?

Re:Suspicious (1)

Eudial (590661) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922289)

It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened.

What is the first time something like this has happened?

The earliest account of the method I can find on it's wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] dates back to WWII, but the method in one form or another probably predates modern propaganda warfare.

Re:Suspicious (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922625)

Very slim possibility, I should say. They have little chances of gaining support even if they covertly organize kidnapping of their own children.

Re:Suspicious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922735)

> instant sympathy

I'm feeling a curiously complete absence of sympathy. My sympathy module might be broken. :P

Hacked by themselves? (5, Interesting)

tigre (178245) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921373)

Comments towards the end of TFA suggest the hackings may be sponsored by the IFPI/MPAA so as to make the Pirate Bay look bad. It would be amusingly absurd to see counter-hacking by TPB supporters keeping the "enemy" sites up.

Re:Hacked by themselves? (1)

The_R_Meister (1221402) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922505)

So if they keep hacking, what does that say about the hackers? Are the hackers sponsored by the IFPI, meaning they'd never listen to a request from the Pirate Bay? Or are they really just clever Pirate Bay hackers masquerading as IFPI hackers, in which case, they still wouldn't listen? Or could they possibly be IFPI hackers pretending to be Pirate Bay hackers masquerading as IFPI hackers?? It's so simple, really - all you have to do is divine from what you know of hackers ...

don't be a dumbass (2, Interesting)

ArcSecond (534786) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921379)

I find it amusing that the same mind that could be outraged at the prosection of "four innocent men... accused of copyright infringement" would then go on to say "we urge the public to boycott and lynch those responsible".

Boycott, sure. Protest, fine. Even a little creative vandalism is good. But lynching?

I would say someone has their priorities out of whack. Either they haven't thought this through or they are just *that* dumb that they would offer "support" to someone on trial by calling for violence against the plaintiffs.

I thought hackers were supposed to be ingenious and creative thinkers. Not the equivalent dumbass jocks on a rampage.

Re:don't be a dumbass (3, Funny)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921487)

I thought hackers were supposed to be ingenious and creative thinkers. Not the equivalent dumbass jocks on a rampage.

Years of repression in highschool locker rooms by the sports jocks breeds creative thoughts of violence in the adult hacker community.

Re:don't be a dumbass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922281)

Nerdrage FTL.

ah, Slashdot Asperger's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921519)

Apparently we can't recognize a little tongue-in-cheek hyperbole? Sigh...

No, really. They were calling for murder. Right. Keep on believing that, dear.

Re:don't be a dumbass (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921771)

The kiddies are that dumb. In times past, they'd be stealing booze and porn from convenience stores. These days, they make botnets. Neither one takes a great deal of imagination, given the prewritten botnet tools floating around.

Re:don't be a dumbass (2, Insightful)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921861)

I thought hackers were supposed to be ingenious and creative thinkers. Not the equivalent dumbass jocks on a rampage.

I think it's interesting that "hackers" are supposed to be so much better/smarter than "dumbass jocks." Really, consider the comparison.

Dumbass jocks - Their turf is real life.
Hackers - Their turf is computers.

You get either group on their own turf, they're going to act very similar. Heck, all hackers and jocks are human, so, when put in the right situation, they're going to react similarly (ala Lord of the Flies). No reason to expect one group to be "better" than the other.

Re:don't be a dumbass (1)

Quothz (683368) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922071)

Heck, all hackers and jocks are human, so, when put in the right situation, they're going to react similarly (ala Lord of the Flies). No reason to expect one group to be "better" than the other.

You... you understand that Lord of the Flies is fiction, right? You can't use it as an example of human behavior. But I'm inclined t'agree with you, even so. Valuing knowledge and information doesn't give moral superiority over valuing physical prowess, although I think the intellectual crowd tends to reach a (relatively) mature ethic earlier in life.

Re:don't be a dumbass (1)

rob_benson (698038) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922013)

Funny, I was thinking "lynch them". boycotting, protesting, and vandalism leave witnesses.

I just downloaded a movie from the Pirate Bay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921385)

it was rated Arrr!

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.... (5, Funny)

Phoenixhawk (1188721) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921415)

It will however be available as a torrent :)

Re:The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.... (1)

CMF Risk (833574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921791)

Can I get a Pre-Air leak of it?

KingKong, part II (1)

EGenius007 (1125395) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921443)

This goes nicely with their King Kong defense, though. "See, we can't control what our supporters are doing to your web sites, just like we can't control the information that's getting posted on our forums. If you're going to accuse us of copyright infringement, you might just as well accuse us of hacking."

Couldn't they... (1)

Terrorwrist (1376873) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921453)

just download that torrent I think it was called "antihacker.rar"? You just unzip the rar and install that in there www root server folder.

Swedish chef lives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921569)

Once you read the article, if you want a good laugh, feed the blog post comments through text to speech software. It sounds like the Swedish chef.

Apologies to Swedish people, about that, but not about the Swedish chef.

alternate motivation (1)

bugi (8479) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921587)

I'm not so sure that the attacks are intended as support of TPB's founders, beloved by all though they are, so much as protest against abuse of the legal system by IFPI et al.

After all, copyrights aren't an entitlement as IFPI are claiming, but an incentive for them to open "their" creations for the common good. They're just trying to extort an increased scope for the standard bribe. Who wouldn't object to that?

Its like Lafayette's plea to the french people (3, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921609)

after 1789. to stop violence.

they liked him ( he is the lead of the group who worked on and wrote declaration of the rights of man ), respected him, but they were SO fed up with aristocracy and what they lived in their hands that noone heeded the pleas to stop violence against aristocrats.

its something like that. 3% of the population is trying to suppress 97% of the population like those times. 3% is the corporations and the i.p. industry, and 97%, the people, like the last time.

i dont need to remind you what happened after 1792.

Re:Its like Lafayette's plea to the french people (5, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921689)

i dont need to remind you what happened after 1792.

1793?

Re:Its like Lafayette's plea to the french people (4, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921849)

Gah! Can't you at least put a spoiler alert in your subject?

Re:Its like Lafayette's plea to the french people (0, Redundant)

RoverDaddy (869116) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922679)

I suggest you avoid looking at your desk calendar or the whole rest of the year will be ruined for you.

makes me wonder (5, Funny)

castironpigeon (1056188) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921611)

Why would hackers be targeting those sites now instead of hitting them 24/7/365? It's not like these organizations were good and then all of a sudden became evil when they brought TPB to court.

Besides, who really cares about their websites? If the hackers really wanted to get the job done then every employee of every one of those organizations would have nothing but goatse in their inbox from now until the day they resign.

Re:makes me wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26921829)

Is that a suggestion ?
You would want to edit it slightly and rename it each time you send it,so they couldn't just implement a global block, and then put it in as a picture on seemingly legitimate queries : -
"When is this album by the backstreet boys coming out ? GOATSE !!!"
"Can I use this picture of Jack Valenti in my newsletter ? GOATSE !!!"
"I have this group photo of the RIAA lawyers, can tell me who is the one in the middle please ? GOATSE !!O!!"

Pirates are criminals (0, Flamebait)

Orig_Club_Soda (983823) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921659)

Just as hackers are criminals. ...Look at what those who support pirating copyrighted material do! Get a freakin job and pay a dollar for the song like a grown up.

Figures (-1, Flamebait)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921733)

A bunch of assholes decide that if they might lose in court, they should make an attack on their enemies in hopes of scaring or forcing them to stop the prosecution.

Hmm. Attacking them to oppress them. Now, that sounds a lot like terrorism. It is, at best, oppression. Perhaps some white hat hackers should attack the Pirate Bay and other groups supporting them.

But, of course, if some people did that, those that are now on the attack would no doubt cry foul, making them hypocrites as well.

This is why all you people who think copyright should not be respected will never have the support of the government or the courts.

If I were a judge in this case, I would make a summary judgement against the Pirate Bay because of these attacks.

trail of innocent people (5, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921785)

What I found most interesting was the report that one defacement included a complaint that innocent people were on trail. I though the idea that only guilty people are tried was an United States philosophy, along with idea that defense lawyers sole purpose was to get the guilty off on technicalities.

In fact, as annoying as the trial is, this is how a court system should work. There is an ambiguity in law. The copyright owners believe that one is true, the Pirate Bay believes another thing is true. Rather than complaining that the process of justice is moving along, we should be thankful that we live in a world where somewhere such a process is available, and the Pirate Bay was not just summarily destroyed and the people involved were not just summarily fined to oblivion, which is what happens in America.

I hope that the rest of the world is not being infected with the meme of the court system as a tool of the criminal, because it is sure nice to have an place where a relatively impartial educated person can hear and adjudicate on legitimate differences of opinion.

Re:trail of innocent people (5, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922243)

The copyright holders I keep hearing about continue to believe shit that has been struck down again and again. Apparently this case opened with a speech by the prosecution saying that the purpose of copyright was to ensure artists get paid and can control the use of their work. This has never been true and has been made abundantly clear by every court in the world that this is *not* the purpose of copyright. It exists solely to benefit the public in ways that a lack of copyright supposedly would not. As soon as the prosecution got up saying that shit the judge should have found him in contempt and thrown out the case. He's misleading the court and that shit should not be tolerated.

Re:trail of innocent people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922667)

You mean trial, right? Or is there a hiking trail somewhere?

And we pretty much have to put anyone who looks guilty enough on trial to figure out whether they're innocent or guilty. I mean, how would you design a system that figures out whether people are guilty or not before you have the trial? Have Monty Python test them for being a witch?

woops, I misread that... (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 5 years ago | (#26921945)

in a gesture of support for the four men hackers have begun assaulting plaintiff websites, beginning with that of the The International Federation of the Pornographic Industry.

And I'm not that into pr0n, either.

Re:woops, I misread that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922065)

What's wrong with you? Are you blind?!? (Looks at user name) Uh... never mind! Sorry... I have to go now.

Sorry, cant have it both ways (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922039)

Either you support vigilante actions or you don't.

Fighting fire with fire.... (4, Informative)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922057)

How many times has the MPAA or RIAA been linked with hiring hackers to DOS attack torrent websites or upload releases that contain viruses or malformed software in them?

RIAA hired hackers to infect P2P users and websites
http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2003/01/15/riaa-denounces-claim-it-hired-hackers-to-attack-p2p-systems [dmwmedia.com]

TorrentSpy says MPAA paid man $15,000 to hack and disrupt TorrentSpy's network
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/7583.cfm [afterdawn.com]

The hackers are only responding appropriately in this case.

The Swedish government put The Pirate Bay in court and TPB responded appropriately by hiring lawyers and civilly appearing for trial.

The MPAA and RIAA hacked and disrupted P2P networks and so hackers fought back using the same exact methods.

Is hacking the MPAA or RIAA good? Not at all. But they started this nonsense both in and out of court with lawsuits and hiring people to illegally hack and disrupt networks.

if you're going to hack... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922177)

doing something quiet and sneaky would be far more useful than a childish site defacement.

Don't just do the electronic equivalent of scrawling "you suck" on their wall, rifle through their filing cabinets. Grab and leak copies of their email archives showing record exec's scummy behaviour - screwing over various artists, cocaine deals going down etc. (believe me the industry is full of drugs). Find details of their strategic pro-copyright-monopoly plans and counter them. If you can, find private keys they're using for encryption and DRM.

Monty Python... (1)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922313)

I have visions of the Crimson Permanent Assurance coming alongside the Very Big Corporation of America and hitting it with cannonades, full broadside.

Argh! Call of your dogs, yee scurvy pirates!

Cui Bono? (4, Insightful)

Pictish Prince (988570) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922389)

The way I see it, the plaintiff saw half the charges being dropped on the first day, panicked, and then defaced their own site to drum up some sympathy, knowing that it would put TPB in a bad light.

Fir57 post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922447)

BSD has alvwAys

Wow... old news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922521)

OLD NEWS... geez this only happened almost two days ago. People submitted events of the hack on ifpi.se within minutes of the hacking (it was still live) but Slashdot waits to post news that is over a day and a half old.

Guess I must still be new here. ;)

Sounds like good evidence to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922531)

This is perfect proof that the majority of PB users are kids who have more time than money. The media industries are NOT losing any potential sales to these people.

We are Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26922609)

We are Anonymous. We are legion. We are one. We do not forgive. We do not forget.

Who's next? (3, Interesting)

ToNoTo13 (1462349) | more than 5 years ago | (#26922741)

So, if they are found guilty, what's to stop "interest groups" from going after gun manufacturer's next saying that they are enabling criminals? And after that auto manufacturer's for enabling drunk drivers for after all without cars we wouldn't have drunk drivers. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and holding the actual criminals responsible for their actions?
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