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Bands Bypass iTunes With iPhone Apps

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the more-you-tighten-your-grip-tarkin dept.

Music 155

iminplaya writes to tell us that the band "The Presidents of the United States of America" (yes, the peaches guys), are trying to expand their engagement with fans by selling their music via Apple's App store, something others have experimented with but never dealt with on this level. "The app, called 'The Presidents' Music — PUSA,' sells for $2.99 on the App Store (iTunes link) offers users access to four full albums, including the band's early 'lost' recordings. This includes the previously-unavailable FroggyStyle — 'unless you have one of the 500 cassettes the band sold in 1994, you've never heard this before,' reads the app description. The app also features a number of extras and exclusives that the band says are updated regularly, and fans can read the band's blog directly from the app on their iPhones or iPod touches. The music, however, is not actually contained within the application itself; instead, it is streamed to the app from a server, requiring the user to be connected to a network of some kind (iPhone users on the cell or WiFi network, iPod touch users on WiFi) in order to access the media."

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155 comments

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26935699)

eat out my asshole, fags!

Don't do it, guys! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936185)

The food stinks, and the joint is a real dump.

my app (5, Funny)

profaneone (316036) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935725)

Please buy my app (profanespeak) to read my comments on this article.

Re:my app (0, Offtopic)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935765)

Only if you port it to the Android.

Re:my app (1, Offtopic)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935807)

I think he was going for "+1 Funny", not "-1 Offtopic".

Re:my app (5, Funny)

Triela (773061) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935871)

I'm going for Offtopic: How many of you not only don't RTFA, but don't even read the Slashdot article summary, and only grep the Comments for the "Funny" tag?

Re:my app (5, Funny)

rbrausse (1319883) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936067)

can someone mod this up so I have a chance to read it?

thanks

Not only that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936069)

I also respond to these questions, with this.

Re:my app (1)

ethana2 (1389887) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936807)

I do read the entire summary, but as for the comment section, I only read the +4 and +5 Funny comments. If there aren't very many at all, I just close the tab.

Re:my app (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26937447)

Anyone else like to read the comments that are funny and reply to the ones that are not?

Yes, the peaches guys (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26935783)

Their delightfully illustrated crates held many an LP.

Dangit... (1)

SBFCOblivion (1041418) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935789)

Until now I had completely forgotten about those guys and that stupid song.

*sigh*

Re:Dangit... (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935981)

Kitty at my foot and I wanna touch it!
Kitty at my foot and I wanna touch it!
Kitty at my foot and I wanna touch it!
Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow.

Whatever, they are way better than most of the crap out now.

Re:Dangit... (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936307)

And I have absolutely no idea who they even are! I guess this means I'm just too old.... or too young....

Re:Dangit... (2, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936711)

And I have absolutely no idea who they even are! I guess this means I'm just too old.... or too young....

No no, PUSA were very much a "blink and you'll miss 'em" band. Some trajectories are brief.

Why stop there? (2, Interesting)

spartacus_prime (861925) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935791)

More bands should be offering their music for free on the Internet itself. Look at how well Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead (for starters) have done with their Internet releases.

Re:Why stop there? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26935857)

More bands should be offering their music for free on the Internet itself. Look at how well Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead (for starters) have done with their Internet releases.

Yeah! All you need to do to make it big on the internet is to already be a multi-platinum selling band before the internet came along. Simple!

Re:Why stop there? (3, Informative)

lbgator (1208974) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936217)

Re:Why stop there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936935)

All that article states is that a few other bands have tried using a similar model. And guess what, I've never even heard of the band they use as an example. He's clearly become a household name by using that model. So, uhh, are you trying to use that article to support your argument that that method works?

Evidence? (1)

jbn-o (555068) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937149)

Do you have any evidence to offer to support that? I'm not convinced that only artists which hit it big elsewhere make sales online. Since there are labels like Magnatune that offer much better deals for the artist, I'd be interested in learning how well those artists fare—how much do they make? How many listeners do they get (approximately)? How many more people come see them in live performances after having learned about them from some online distributor?

I'd be surprised if there is survey data to back the idea that you have to be popular via some other promotion scheme to sell tracks online to the extent that you can continue to afford to live on your income from being a musician.

Re:Why stop there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26937209)

I'll agree to this. I used to be an optimist, and believe bands could make it by themselves, in this new age. I'm not so sure now. The only success stories are, like you say, Radiohead and NIN (success is relative, i admit.) Another reason is, as much as it might be cool to slag off the majors, and with good reason, there's an equally nasty bunch waiting to take their turn. They call these people "managers." Although entities like Amazon, iTunes and others will happily occupy this slot. This generally fits the iron law of oligarchy model, and the next bunch of oligarchs are making their way in now. I'm unconvinced we'll see "rock stars" in the same way we understand them currently. The Chris Martin, Rihanna et al you see on the screen, are manufactured to look/act a certain way, in order to appeal to mass market and make some money. I don't see the same level of investment happening for new artists (new == digital only). Put simply, there are no more rockstars. Just average crowd followings. disclaimer, I work for one of the four, Begins with an E. Not a fan of it.

Re:Why stop there? (1)

SunTzuWarmaster (930093) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936179)

I agree, but ... You know that you have to buy it, right?

Re:Why stop there? (5, Funny)

eccenthink (1312043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936231)

[Chorus:]
Movin' to bittorrent, gonna steal a lot of songs
Movin' to bittorrent, Gonna steal me a lot of songs
Movin' to bittorrent, gonna steal a lot of songs
Movin' to bittorrent, gonna steal a lot of songs
(Wow)

Songs come from a torrent,
they were put there by a pirate
In a country overseas
If I had my little way,
I'd steal songs every day
So many songs to be played

[Chorus]

Take a little app where the tunes all exist
Heard a rotten song and was pissed
And dreamed about you, RIAA,
I used my encryption down inside
Make a little room my songs to hide
Pirate's bounty in my PC or Laptop or a Phone

Millions of songs, songs for me
Millions of songs, songs for free
Millions of songs, songs for me
Millions of songs, songs for free
Millions of songs, songs for me
Millions of songs, songs for free
Millions of songs, songs for me
Millions of songs, songs for free

Re:Why stop there? (5, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936613)

Amusing, but you destroyed the meter of the song. "Peaches" is two syllables while "songs" is one. The way the song is sung ("pee chez") you don't have enough syllables to fill the notes. Try using "MP3s" instead. It should fit into the meter a bit better.

"Moving to the bittorrent, gonna steal me a lot of em-p'threes"

See how much better that sounds?

(Yes, that was a totally pedantic and geeky thing to worry about. I make no apologies. :-P)

Re:Why stop there? (1)

eccenthink (1312043) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936859)

Yes...I considered "music" rather than "songs" so it'd match the syllables but it didn't fit grammatically towards the end. For instance "Millions of music" doesn't make sense. Plus I butchered a few other lines so I decided to overlook the major flaw of the rhythm not being correct. That's probably why I'm an engineer rather than a musician :).

Re:Why stop there? (1)

Bronster (13157) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937305)

Yeah, I filked that song with "pizzas" long time ago.

"Pizzas come in a van, they were put there by a man, at Mondo's Pizzaland, downtowwwwn"

Sang it at the start of the pizza sculling competition at college (woot, I was the returning champion, after all)

"We Don't Want Poor Fans" (3, Interesting)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936379)

I love PUSA. Love them. I have their Mount Rushmore concert taped from MTV on VHS, complete with the Mount Rushmore Hug Of The Day, and I still have dreams set to "Mach 5". However, I do not, and WILL not, own an iPhone, so I guess I don't get access to this sort of thing. This is a confusing message I'm being sent. Only people with iPhones can get this music, and people with iPhones have enough money to throw around to not need this.

Re:"We Don't Want Poor Fans" (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936709)

You could get an iPod touch.

Re:Why stop there? (2, Informative)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936829)

Actually, Radiohead didn't do so well with their internet release. They actually stopped doing it [inrainbows.com] and now only sell it on iTunes and CD.

If a huge band like Radiohead couldn't make it work with tons of media coverage and massive internet buzz, most smaller bands don't stand a chance.

Re:Why stop there? (1)

DirkBalognapantz (609779) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937357)

Is that true? I am trying to find the final numbers, but coming up with articles predicting the results up through late 2007. It was my understanding that the cut-off date was always planned, and not the result of poor digital sales. I just read that around 12% paid from $8-$12 for in rainbows (the 2nd largest group). Hell, I paid the standard iTunes $9.99 when I could have gotten it for free. Does anyone have some hard numbers here? I see a claim that they made 10 million, but think that was pretty early press.

Re:Why stop there? (1)

DirkBalognapantz (609779) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937369)

I do think you have a good point about smaller bands though. My instinct is that there is a certain threshold of fame required before making a leap like this.

Re:Why stop there? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937459)

define "well"?

If memory serves, the people complaining about it not working were people in the industry basically saying: Look x % didn't buy, or spent less then what it's "worth".
However the band made a lot of money. It was the middle men that lost out.

It has been planned as a limited time distribution before releasing the album through traditional means.
So yeah, it worked.

Re:Why stop there? (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936985)

More bands should be offering their music for free on the Internet itself. Look at how well Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead (for starters) have done with their Internet releases.

But why stop there? March right into your boss's office right now and demand to work for free. /sarc

You do realize that things like food, clothing and shelter do actually cost money right?

If you don't think that you should work for free, then why do you think other people should?

Re:Why stop there? (1)

spartacus_prime (861925) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937473)

Who said artists don't get money? People still go to concerts and buy merchandise. And people will still buy CDs/iTunes downloads. The free downloads would just be in addition to all that.
Every mp3 blog I've come across has had the caveat "please buy after 24 hours." Surely 10% of the individuals who utilize them actually obey the caveat.

Presidents (4, Insightful)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935795)

Personally, I know them better for their song "Lump" (which Weird Al parodied as "Gump") better than I know them for "Peaches".

Re:Presidents (0)

dubbreak (623656) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936085)

While "Lump" did chart higher than "Peaches" it appears that "Kitty" was their highest charting song (according to the wikipedia article on POTUS [wikipedia.org] ).

Re:Presidents (2, Informative)

rkanodia (211354) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936113)

Per your own source, Lump > Peaches > Kitty in terms of charting.

Re:Presidents (3, Informative)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936147)

Look carefully --

* "Kitty" (1995, #13 US Modern Rock)
* "Lump" (1995, #26 US, #15 UK, #1 US Modern Rock, #7 US Mainstream Rock)
* "Peaches" (1995, #29 US, #8 UK, #8 US Modern Rock, #24 US Mainstream Rock)
* "Mach 5" (1996, #29 UK, #11 US Modern Rock, #24 US Mainstream Rock)
* "Video Killed The Radio Star" (1998, #52 UK)
* "Some Postman" (2004, #31 US Modern Rock)

Remember to compare like units!

Re:Presidents (1)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936103)

Same; Lump got a ton more radioplay than Peaches where I grew up. Also always liked Dunebuggy, although besides those three I can't say I recall any other songs...

Sounds fair (4, Insightful)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935797)

If the content is streaming, I don't see Apple having a problem with this. After all, I can stream numerous radio stations already through iTunes or through an iPhone app. I don't think Apple will be concerned unless the app allows you to save the music. Besides, there's probably some agreement the developers have to agree to that states no app will directly compete with iTunes.

Re:Sounds fair (2, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935851)

I don't think Apple will be concerned unless the app allows you to save the music.

Personally I don't think it is any of their business. Linux Torvalds doesn't seem to care what I do with his kernel.

Re:Sounds fair (4, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935959)

Linux Torvalds doesn't

Oh thats embarrassing.

Re:Sounds fair (3, Insightful)

slater86 (1154729) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935961)

Linus licensed the kernel that way, he's not for the money.

If apple were not in it for the profit, their shareholders would be pissed for starters.
I certainly don't blame a company for wanting to make money.

Re:Sounds fair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936063)

> "Linux Torvalds doesn't seem to care..." Oh, he cares. Look out your basement window...

If you load the kernel to your iphone you can check out his new album 'Da chronjob', feat SUdogg.,
including 'Paid der cost to be der boss', 'OPP- other people's processes' and his new hit 'wonkytown'

Re:Sounds fair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936301)

I hope for your sake he doesn't care what you do to his name.

Re:Sounds fair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936965)

Apple won't care as long as you listen on an iPod.
That's all the Music Store is for; to sell iPods.
If an app sells more iPods/iPhones Apple will be happy. The Music Store is not a profit center, it's a sales support device.

Fair to Apple? Why does that matter? (2, Insightful)

jbn-o (555068) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937183)

Is there some reason why anyone should be concerned with what Apple's position is here? If you bought the iPhone, you should own it and it should play whatever you want it to play at any time. It's sad that anyone would raise Apple's perceived position on this as an issue, as if they rightly should be allowed to stop any activity you undertake with your iPhone.

Re:Sounds fair (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937219)

Besides, there's probably some agreement the developers have to agree to that states no app will directly compete with iTunes.

I don't know if they sign anything that says they won't, but THAT is the #1 reason for apps to be rejected by Apple submitted for sale on the ITMS. Even apps that remotely sort of kind of might be seen to compete with iTunes or Mail tend to get slapped with the generic "competes with another apple product" veto and are not placed for sale on the ITMS.

I wonder if this app will be the first to fall to the ex-post-facto ITMS kill switch? I suppose it depends on whether or not Apple realized what the app really was doing?

Band 2.0 (5, Insightful)

Clever7Devil (985356) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935813)

If looked at purely as a method of accessing the artists' work it seems ineffectual. However, as a total package this is a genius appeal to the "always on" "web 2.0" environment of today's Internet. For 2.99, a price I think many will pay, users recieve a portal on their mobile device into the world of their favorite artists. Bios, extra content, tour dates, blogs, and ALL their music in one place. Sounds like something a fan would gladly pay 2.99 to have access to.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935925)

Bios, extra content, tour dates, blogs, and ALL their music in one place. Sounds like something a fan would gladly pay 2.99 to have access to.

Yeah, ONE place. Their ipod/phone app. What if they want to listen to it on their computer? or put it on their kids mp3 device?

What happens when you buy a new phone, and it isn't an iphone?

Hell, you can't even to mix the tracks into a playlist with music by other artists on your iphone.

As for bios, tour dates, blogs... those better be on the regular web. That leaves 'extra content' ... sure that might be worth 2.99, and super-fans will pay 2.99 to join their favorite artists little exclusive iphone club... and I have no issue with that. But I'd HATE to see this become a trend for actually accessing music.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

malkir (1031750) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936057)

What happens? You're out a whopping $3.
I would pay $3 for hours of my favorite band and deal with some inconveniences. Better than spending $12 on 1 album and not being able to do anything with my music because of DRM.

Re:Band 2.0 (2)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936257)

What happens? You're out a whopping $3.

But what if the next band charges $12? or $20? or $40?

I would pay $3 for hours of my favorite band and deal with some inconveniences.

Not being able to mix it into a playlist with other artists is a pretty serious inconvenience at any price. Hell, even at 'free' I'd find it more annoying than it was worth. Nevermind not being able to move it to any other device.

Better than spending $12 on 1 album and not being able to do anything with my music because of DRM.

iTunes music doesn't have DRM anymore.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936297)

But what if [CITATION NEEDED]

Then dont buy. Or pirate. Just quit'cher bitchin.

Fact: This band charges 3$ for 4 cd access until they quit. Theres a nice piratebay link in a recent post that aims at 7 cds. Hell, if you like the group, you will buy the 3$ to get the unheard tracks. Its just 3$.

Fiction: What if! If! Iff!!!!

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936441)

Just quit'cher bitchin.

You first.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936463)

Hell, if you like the group, you will buy the 3$ to get the unheard tracks. Its just 3$.

As a glorfied system to pay to sample music, or show fan support for your favorite band -- it works at that level.

But what if I actually like the tracks? I have to re-stream them everytime I want to listen to them? And I can't put them in a playlist? And I have to load a different app each with its own UI to listen to different artists? Nobody is going to put up with that.

Like I said, if they want little iphone fan clubs, by all means, but I absolutely do not want this to become the only way of getting access to a given music track.

Re:Band 2.0 (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936327)

"What if" doesn't belong in this discussion. If the price is too high, people simply won't buy it. I can't see this becoming such an essential part of being a fan of a band that people are in any way required to purchase such an application, no matter the cost.

Worst case if the price is unbearable, they fall back to buying MP3/AAC/FLAC/Vorbis downloads, and looking up the information on the band's website - or a host of others that hold similar information.

I wouldn't do business with Apple. They screw you. (1)

jbn-o (555068) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937449)

I concur. And it's even worse than you describe. As I understand it, not all iTunes is DRM-free. Some tracks that Apple distributes still have DRM and there are plenty of other reasons to reject doing business with Apple including:

I'd rather reward distributors that treat me well, like Magnatune.com [magnatune.com] which never had DRM (and therefore had no two-faced explanation about how they'd like to get away from DRM). Magnatune lets me play and share all tracks from their catalog (they're all under the CC By-NC-SA 1.0 license and I don't have to buy anything to get copies of tracks under this license). Magnatune doesn't treat their artists differently by letting them buy better promotion on Magnatune's website. Magnatune earns my lifetime subscription fee. Apple earns the outrage of my non-technical friends who bought various Apple products and later discovered the lock-in, proprietary, and expensive loss of their rights.

Re:Band 2.0 (2, Insightful)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936065)

Yeah, but Itunes per song is 1$ average.

They offer 4 cd's of content. Average of 10 songs per cd = 40 songs.

40$ with mp3's or 3$ with protections. That's not that bad of a deal, considering they make a "portal" of dates and other things.

Course, there is Piratebay if you want permanent copies [thepiratebay.org] of these songs. But this 3$ deal isnt that bad.

Re:Band 2.0 (5, Funny)

dave562 (969951) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936165)

What do you expect for $3 measely dollars? Maybe the band should come to your house with signed copies of all the music you have access to and load it onto your computer, your kid's computers, and maybe even take your wife out for coffee? I mean damn... You did give them three whole dollars!

If you want to listen to the music on the computer, pay for it from the iTunes store. If you want it in portable format, pay for the CD. Or hell, don't pay for anything and just steal it like everyone else does.

I think I need to take a step away from /. because if I see one more person write a post about, "I expect the world for less than a Chinese sweatshop worker gets paid in a day.", I'm going to freak the fuck out.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936251)

Ive got the piratebay link on my post, just above yours. Its not that hard. Nor is 3$ for 4 cd's of music from 1 group.

I hate DRM and dislike copyright, but these prices are finally getting fair. If they were for a computer (eg: not tied to an os or drm setup) Id consider buying 4 cds for 3$. Hell, I blow that on a coffee drink that disappears in 5 minutes.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936275)

I think I need to take a step away from /. because if I see one more person write a post about, "I expect the world for less than a Chinese sweatshop worker gets paid in a day.", I'm going to freak the fuck out.

Jsut don't do to a Chinese sweatshop. Cause you know, they'd want the world for less then what they get paid also.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936383)

What do you expect for $3 measely dollars?

What do I get for 3 measily dollars?

I can already sample the song for free at any of a dozen online music stores to decide if I like it, and if I walk into a CD shop they'll put the CD on for me so I can listen to a full song or 3 for free. I can already read their bios and tour dates on the web for free... so what do I get exactly?

I can samples the whole songs without visiting a real store?
That about it, I can't bloody well do anything else with them.

Actually the price really isn't the issue (and the next band might charge considerably more since each app is priced individually... what if this were 29.95?), but I'd find it almost useless even if it were free. (Although at free I'd use it to sample a new band, before buying.)

The songs are effectively useless because they can't even be put into an itunes playlist on that iphone. And I have to switch apps to listen to songs from different artists.

Who wants that at any price?

Re:Band 2.0 (4, Insightful)

dave562 (969951) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936531)

What if the app is just the first, beta release of a product that for all we know, three years from now could be bought by a major independent label, and used as a portal to hundreds of bands? You're one of those glass half empty types aren't you?

If a band that I liked wanted to charge me $3 to listen to any of the music that they've put out, I'd do it. That is a whole lot cheaper than buying a bunch of CDs or individual tracks.

These apps and similar things aren't meant to be everything for everyone. This one obviously isn't even aimed at you. You want more than they are willing to provide for $3. Okay. And?

On the other hand it seems perfectly targetted at the "What do I want to spend my allowance on?" demographic. It's like Ringtone 2.0. The band of the month gets to make $3 from a bunch of junior high school kids with rich parents who can afford to buy them iPhones.

Re:Band 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936691)

You, my good sir, have no appreciation of the value of a dollar these days. I could sell you some fine almost-prime mortgages for superb Alaskan real estate for three dollars if you're interested.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936219)

What if they want to listen to it on their computer?

What if I want to listen an FM station on my AM radio? This is just starting. Let's give it a bit of time to see what happens. The big news here is seeing the artists free themselves of the RIAA ball and chain. I'm not going to sweat the small stuff yet.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936553)

Yeah, ONE place. Their ipod/phone app. What if they want to listen to it on their computer? or put it on their kids mp3 device?

Then they do without. The pain and horror.

Try a dose of perspective, it's liberating.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

jlb0057 (1143241) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935953)

Definitely not a bad deal, but I do not listen to only one artists music on my mobile device. I want to be able to create playlists from individual tracks. This would not seem to allow that.

Off Topic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936073)

Sorry to post on this thread, but can someone fix the freaking GMC ad that keeps taking over the whole page (redirects to only show the ad)? It's really annoying and only seems to happen in firefox.

Re:Off Topic... (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936537)

If you're using Firefox, then get Adblock.

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

virtue3 (888450) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936323)

Yes, but everyone seems to be forgetting the real shitty part, you can't listen to their music AND other music in a playlist. It's either only their stuff or anything else. If multiple bands started to do this... it would be increasingly annoying!

When was the last time you liked EVERY song on an album?

Re:Band 2.0 (1)

Scottar (969033) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937077)

I believe it was roughly the time that the Presidents released their second album.

Great Band (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26935819)

These guys are great in concert, and now this! Awesome idea from an awesome band.

They use 5 strings between bass and guitar.

Checklist of complications (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935901)

After reading the article, I gotta say I hope bands don't start doing this for the following reasons

1)Relies on access to the Internet. So...you can't access it when you're not connected? Running the radio in the iPod touch or iPhone drastically reduces battery life. No thanks.

2)Relies on 3rd party website outside iTunes. Relying on iTunes as the 'gatekeeper' to all your DRMed files is bad enough (thankfully, that's going away though). A separate entity is on even thinner ground...if their website changes or goes belly-up, it won't work.

3)Requires separate application. Can you imagine how clumsy it would get if every band operated like this? I guess someone would have to come up with another application to keep track every bands' varied releases-and who knows if the music, album art, video etc would be categorized in the same way.

tap tap (1)

escay (923320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935919)

If the artists really want to sell their album for $2.99, wouldn't iTunes let them? This probably has more to do with artists' publicity than their music - it's like a ticker for the band, with the streamed music an added functionality.

It is a neat idea though - particularly if the music is not network linked, it's just like selling your own CDs in the market. The Tap Tap Revenge app already does this - you can download tracks through the app and the tracks reside on the phone. You can listen to them anytime through the TTR app, even in airplane mode.

A new format. (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935937)

From the article:

More importantly, Dederer sees the value of bringing distribution control back to the bands themselves. "If all the rights to the masters and the publishing are containedâ"if the artist has control of them or the label has control of them, they can sell music in this entirely new format," said Dederer, "The first one we're doing is for my band, The Presidents... you can sort of pump anything in there that you want, at random. Maybe we'll put my bandmate Chris Ballow's answering machine message on there... it becomes an open conduit to the fans to promote tours... and include links to the band's blog."

What an amazingly new concept. I guess just having a web page wouldn't get you the $2.99 up front.

Not a great idea. (5, Insightful)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26935943)

One of the reasons people buy iPhones is for integration both on the phone and desktop. You know, all your music in one place. This will also have limited use for Touch users who wan't to listen to music without be near wifi. I for one do not want 100 apps from various artists scattered across my phone.

Re:Not a great idea. (1)

anethema (99553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937075)

So install categories and keep them all in a folder.

That aside I agree this is generally a stupid idea.

Having to open an app so I can listen to one band, no adding them to playlists, nothing, just seems stupid.

hidden track (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26935967)

She's lump, she's lump, she's lump, she's in my iPhone

"I'm gonna stick my head into this" PUSA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26935977)

FYI, PUSA is pronounced as puss as in a cat and the a is pronounced as in fail.

The RIAA is patting PUSA's back for coming up with such a juicy plan. Next thing you'll know, the RIAA will be handing out awards to PUSA for deep penetration into a new audience. Damn those PUSAs and their control over their listening mates.

In other words (1)

NonUniqueNickname (1459477) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936009)

They are charging $2.99 to access a streaming radio station. Two catches. You can only listen to it from your iPod, and the station only plays songs from one band.

That's quite a claim (1)

hobbit (5915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936037)

'unless you have one of the 500 cassettes the band sold in 1994, you've never heard this before'

That's quite a claim, unless they're claiming to have invented an unbreakable ARM scheme for cassette tapes in 1994 ;)

selective enforcement (1)

Eil (82413) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936119)

Okay, so the band is bypassing iTunes to release music. Yet strangely, Apple didn't think this app "competed" with any existing Apple-branded software.

Only enforce rules when it suits you, eh?

Re:selective enforcement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936279)

the 20% of the 2.99 they get for the app is better than they would get if it were released on iTunes. What would you do. No selective enforcement here either because it's a streaming receiver just like Pandora.

EPIC DRM FAIL (1)

tobiah (308208) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936237)

The shortcomings of their approach are well described above, and not worth discussing. Meanwhile, a more entertaining error has landed on U2 [arstechnica.com] .

Re:EPIC DRM FAIL (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936517)

Awesome.

That article is like it was written in 1998.
Millions buy their albums, even though they are all available for free, easily.

Apple's Response (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936293)

They turn on the Band Bypass Filter!

"We Don't Want Poor Fans" (0)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936329)

I love PUSA. Love them. I have their Mount Rushmore concert taped from MTV on VHS, complete with the Mount Rushmore Hug Of The Day, and I still have dreams set to "Mach 5". However, I do not, and WILL not, own an iPhone, so I guess I don't get access to this sort of thing.

This is a confusing message I'm being sent.

Re:"We Don't Want Poor Fans" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26936445)

Didn't you post exactly this same thing earlier in the conversation?

Re:"We Don't Want Poor Fans" (1)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936491)

Higher conversation, but later chronologically, since I figured, like most Slashdotters, no-one would scroll down this far.

Re:"We Don't Want Poor Fans" (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936549)

I suspect the music will be available for download...now.

When they release it in a real and usable format, then pay for it.

Re:"We Don't Want Poor Fans" (3, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937009)

All right, PUSA, PUSA, PUSA! Come on in PUSA lovers! Here at the Titty Twister we're slashing PUSA in half! Give us an offer on our vast selection of PUSA, this is a PUSA blow out! All right, we got white PUSA, black PUSA, Spanish PUSA, yellow PUSA, we got hot PUSA, cold PUSA, we got wet PUSA, we got
  smelly PUSA, we got hairy PUSA, bloody PUSA, we got snappin' PUSA, we got silk PUSA, velvet PUSA, Naugahyde PUSA, we even got horse PUSA, dog PUSA, chicken PUSA! Come on, you want PUSA, come on in, PUSA lovers! If we don't got it, you don't want it! Come on in, PUSA lovers!

Sorry, I just watched that movie again 2 days ago.

Not new... there's plenty of other apps like it... (3, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936529)

Firstly, it just bypasses iTunes in loading new music onto your phone - there seems be a not-inconspicuous "BUY NOW" button, which I would guess would take you to the iTunes Store so you can... purchase the song!

I've seen similar apps on the store, GameRock being the one I use. It seemed appealing enough - access to all the music game's library of music (Guitar Hero (1..n), Rock Band 1/2, etc), but honestly, it sucks.

Firstly, you can listen to the setlists contained in each game, yes, but they're shuffled. You can only go next track and pause (and the pause only works for a little while - pause too long and you'll lose the song). Oh yeah, there's a nice big BUY NOW button so you can purchase the track. You can browse the setlist, but that's only if you want to buy a different track than the one currently playing. It's slow switching tracks (several seconds to pull new track information, then several more seconds to start playing), ugh. And the quality's fairly crappy too - like 128kbps (or lower) MP3.

It's a great way to sample an artist's other works, I'll admit, but it certainly doesn't beat actually having the song loaded on your iPod. The random shuffle, the slow next track make it useful as say, a radio that plays one artist only (or in my case, music from one game), but not much more.

The BUY NOW would explain why Apple freely approves these kinds of programs - more iTunes store revenue.

Linux on the iPhone (1)

HartDev (1155203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936679)

I cannot wait for Linux to be on the iPhone....or for a polished Android, you would think that it is a no brainer which will come first, but you really never know with how slow and stubborn the mobile market is at adapting.

Re:Linux on the iPhone (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936793)

Are they actually working on Linux on the iPhone? I thought that was kinda useless, since the damn thing is Unix already. What would you want from having Linux on it? I can already SSH into it, sync my library wirelessly, I can connect to it through VNC, I have terminal access, I have apt, I have a Java interpreter...I mean, I'm all for putting Linux on things, but what would you gain from having it on the iPhone?

Re:Linux on the iPhone (1)

HartDev (1155203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936945)

*I can already SSH into it I want the whole OS un-touched by Apple, and then I can say "Thanks for the slick hardware" I hate iTunes with a passion, and I had the first iphone and hacked it and life was wonderful all around, and then the hack broke and endless time was put into it, and I decided when I get the second one I will never hack it, but wait until they get the complete Linux OS (so nothing over the air will hurt my hacked phone, which I believe an over the air update from Apple, or maybe just something in one of the native apps, ruined my first hacked iphone.) Just think of all the possibilities of Linux on it, you can have it run light for performance, you can toggle all the setting separately (like the 3g which you can now, the Edge, the wifi, the phone itself so you can just have an internet device...to save big on the phone bill when out of the country...)

Mostly I want the MacOS kernel gone so that iTunes won't delete all my music every time it does anything, Apple thinks that every iPhone user will have his or her own PC or Mac (they would prefer Mac) and screw up the settings. My wife and I have iphones and we screw each others phones up and then I said "forget it" and put Linux back on the only laptop we own. To me Linux is equal to flexibility and portableness, it will just work, and it will work on almost anything and is not retarded by any one company. Hope that answers that, I like to ramble at times, but I really like Open Source and think people ought to look into it more. I can talk about Linux and other Open Source apps for hours, my blog is HERE [openmymedia.com]

Re:Linux on the iPhone (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937105)

Well, it is possible to manage your music not through iTunes - I have a nice player I downloaded that works much like a standard MP3 player - it reads your music straight off the filesystem. Only problem with that is then you don't get the library features, but I never leave 'artist' mode anyway, and my music is already in a directory structure similar to that, so it's not much of a problem. But I see what you mean about being forced to go through Apple's update process and everything - that is a pain in the ass. Especially once you start adding apps...But really, it seems to me that they release two or three updates nearly at once, then do nothing for a year or two, so you shouldn't have to update too much. Of course, I'm basing all this on my experience with a Touch, so maybe there are some differences on the Phone.

Re:Linux on the iPhone (1)

HartDev (1155203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937275)

Yeah you are right about not having to update much, but I am a nerd, I have to see what I can get away with, I have disciplined myself with this iphone, but the Holy Grail (in my mind) for the iphone would be.....drag and drop functionality...if I could just move music on and off, and even more so pictures! That alone would be great. If there was a pure linux OS on the iphone, I KNOW that some guys and/or girls would make so many cool things for that phone.....I am drooling right now I can't wait, anyone know a good Linux iphone project I can donate to? (I only need one kidney)

"bypass" = "target" (1)

hchaput (544841) | more than 5 years ago | (#26936909)

The app lets you listen for free, then buy from the iTunes store. This is hardly bypassing. It's actually another avenue into iTunes. It's an ad. And you have to pay for it, too.

I think this whole discussion is hilarious, actually. Imagine that Apple announced that you could "buy PUSA's music" via streaming. There would be 10000 comments about how streaming is not ownership and what a ripoff it is.

wanna bet? (1)

daybot (911557) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937065)

unless you have one of the 500 cassettes the band sold in 1994, you've never heard this before

Three words: tape dubbing, torrents.

"Apps" make terrible music players (1)

RudeIota (1131331) | more than 5 years ago | (#26937221)

This is VERY impractical.

Since Apple doesn't allow iPhone developers to design apps that run in the background, its a huge effin' stretch to say Apps are any competition for iTunes... As soon as you lock the phone, it will quit playing. There's no option to turn the screen off unless it is locked, so the amount of battery usage is tremendous, lest we ignore all the random things it might be doing in your pocket. I'm also pretty sure it won't play music through iPod/iPhone compatible hardware either... Apps sure don't play through MY car stereo... A 1/8" stereo jack will work, but you can't charge it so you've got yourself those pesky battery issues again.

Conversely, the iTunes app runs when the phone is locked. It's also guaranteed to play on an iPhone/iPod compatible device.

A decent solution would be backgrounder [google.com] from the Cydia package manager, but that requires a jailbroken phone, which of course caters to a comparatively minuscule niche of nerds. *raises hand*

Ultimately though, using Apps in this manner fails on the sheer inelegance alone. My opinion, of course.
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