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Useless (4, Interesting)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954773)

Totally useless and a mere inconvenience for the die-hard file swappers. New sharing sites will pop up faster than I can say "First Post!" and new protocols to circumvent those blocks will have arrived by the time the mods have moderated "First Post" down to -1.

Worse than useless. (5, Insightful)

El Jynx (548908) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954819)

Yep. This is only going to stimulate: - a rapid development of secure p2p protocols. - a rapid adoption of encryption. - a lot of annoyance and public backlash. On the side, Ireland has one of the highest budget deficits in the EU. That means they're in a lot of financial trouble already, and lots of people are going to be out of jobs. But they aren't going to let "them" deny them access to their movies, songs and audiobooks; moreover, things like The Teaching Company (TTC) and BBC documentaries provide an extremely rich source of self-enrichment. People are going to be teaching themselves all matter of upgrades in their newfound free time. Anyway, all you Irish people can do now is roll out the Guiness and write your local political factions that this just isn't a good idea.

Re:Worse than useless. (2, Interesting)

norpy (1277318) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955091)

If filtering like this begins to become common then I would imagine we would see systems similar to the large botnets start to emerge for torrent trackers, using fast flux and the likes to keep domains and IP addresses moving.

Re:Worse than useless. (5, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955353)

We could trade files right here on slashdot.

Bit of steganography and we could hide music in our rambling car analogy loaded posts.

Re:Worse than useless. (0, Offtopic)

ResidntGeek (772730) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955673)

That's slow. Anyone who wants to trade unreleased live music by mail, send your trade list to residntgeek@gmail.com. I do audio and video trades.

Re:Worse than useless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955647)

So they're encouraging R&D then? Cool!

IRC? (3, Insightful)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954825)

Are they going to block all IRC access as well? There are lots of files being shared via DCC send commands. I suppose some IRC servers might expect an increase in user numbers in the near future...

Re:Useless (0, Troll)

pwizard2 (920421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954843)

Proxy demand increasing in Ireland in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

Re:Useless (5, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955325)

Proxy demand increasing in Ireland in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

I should start a business selling proxy services to Irish internet users. My connection will never be filtered in Australia.

Re:Useless (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954877)

It's just like the Irish to be little pansies like that. Maybe a leprechaun will grant them their wishes of unlimited access to U2 songs, but for now I guess they won't be finding their lucky charms.

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954965)

...with a post like that, it seems you've never found yours. Perhaps ~you're~ the girrrrrl in this story ; )

Re:Useless (3, Insightful)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955467)

And most protective measures on the net against this are leaking like a colander.

Re:Useless (4, Insightful)

eltaco (1311561) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955563)

apparently, you fail to realise, that eventually they don't care about the hardcore pirates. the "scene", for instance, has been alive for years and subject to many raids. those that know how to protect themselves are essentially untouchable by law. same goes for any criminal smart enough. (same goes for politicians!) enough! listen;

the MAFIAA's interest is to stop the widespread, common and easily available sharing of media. the "sheeple" ,as people like to call them, who use whatever their popups claim to be the best.

of-fucking-course the "scene" will still be alive. those people that know enough to evade prosecution, know enough to rip dvds too. but as long as you can discourage the general population (with lawsuits) from file-sharing, they might've made their point - legal and moral ambiguities as they may be.

as soon as people get pissed off enough, another Bram Cohen will emerge. Either declaring a new method or meeting the MAFIAA eye to eye in the courts - or shaking their hand.

Oh well (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954777)

I guess it's back to the more private networks. How's that wireless mesh coming along to help get around these people?

Re:Oh well (2, Informative)

howlingmadhowie (943150) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955453)

i don't know about ireland but in germany there is a debate as to the legality of having an unsecured wifi net.

Good Old Racketeering (3, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954779)

Yeah, it's the virtual equivalent of paying thugs to block access to a store.

Call the lawyers.

NYCL (1)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954863)

Call the lawyer.

There, corrected it for ya.

Re:NYCL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954911)

You do realize, of course, that NYCL is ... American... and this is ... shockingly ... happening in Ireland, where NYCL means nothing?

Re:NYCL (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954939)

There, I corrected it for you.

:)

Are you from Ireland? (4, Informative)

PinkyDead (862370) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955589)

You must be to describe IRMA so prefectly.

It must be noted, however, that IRMA is fighting to protect the meagre incomes of people like U2 and Enya - who are all just managing to survive with one castle each.

Sarcasm aside, due to the fact that musicians have a tax exemption (cos lord knows U2 need it) - there are unfortunately a lot of them here, and they also have great wadges of cash. This in turn makes IRMA far more powerful than it should be.

I still don't think the other ISPs are just going to rollover - Eircom is a joke. They are largest because they were originally a monopoly - and there is a large number of users that are slow to change.

Re:Good Old Racketeering (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955631)

Except that in this case, the thugs are the virtual equivalents of the local sheriff, and he things you're the bad guy in town.

Re:Good Old Racketeering (1)

knarf (34928) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955793)

More like paying thugs to block access to a roof overseeing a concert venue where people would otherwise congregate to listen without paying

"Music swapping"? (4, Informative)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954815)

The fucking article mentions Pirate Bay as one of these "music swapping" sites. So basically, they're after torrent trackers.

I won't go into explaining the difference between a hypothetical "music swapping" site and a tracker. Insert here gun, car and other analogies.

Re:"Music swapping"? (3, Funny)

dna_(c)(tm)(r) (618003) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955075)

I won't go into explaining the difference between a hypothetical "music swapping" site and a tracker. Insert here gun, car and other analogies.

So, basically, it's like Fannie and Freddie are angry because you drive your car way to fast in front of their subprime real estate and then hatch an evil plan to bring down the entire car industry. Awesome!

Re:"Music swapping"? (3, Insightful)

Mozk (844858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955155)

Irma, which represents major music groups EMI, Sony-BMG, Warner and Universal, is to begin compiling lists of websites that it claims are damaging its business.

Does this include sites like Magnatune, which offer independent music at much lower prices or even for free? I mean, that's damaging to its business, right?

Rapidshare? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954821)

So Rapidshare is blocked, then? And Megaupload? And Mediafire, Sendspace and Badongo? And the hundreds of other free filesharing services that seem to pop up everywhere?

This is completely futile.

Re:Rapidshare? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954933)

Or youtube for that matter?, there are many times where I go on Youtube /just purely/ to listen to music.

Will that be blocked aswell? :-)

Re:Rapidshare? (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955327)

Or youtube for that matter?, there are many times where I go on Youtube /just purely/ to listen to music.

The RIAA and its conduits have agreements/contracts with Youtube.

That being said, the RIAA is the Catholic Church of the new musical middle ages; they have far reaching powers beyond any political boarders, and they can ruin people. They can infiltrate and influence entire business sectors, and even entire governments.

Re:Rapidshare? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955429)

Nobody Expects the RIAA!
Out chief weapons are suprise... Surprise and idiocy...

Re:Rapidshare? (1)

legirons (809082) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955427)

Or youtube for that matter?, there are many times where I go on Youtube /just purely/ to listen to music.

Will that be blocked aswell? :-)

wait till they hear secondlife can stream music and block that...

Re:Rapidshare? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955043)

I'm sure this is only the first step in a ongoing strategy to block access to unlicensed content. Once bittorrent is blocked, free upload sites, Usenet, eMule, DC and FTP will follow. Email attachments will be removed and http binary transfers will be interrupted.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the perplexing headline "Internet to be blocked by Irish ISPs" before the end of the year.

Re:Rapidshare? (5, Insightful)

Mozk (844858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955195)

My problem with this is that sharing files is not illegal, nor is sharing music. Sharing copyrighted files without rights to do so probably is in Ireland, but forcing ISPs to block legitimate sites in a broad manner like this because they have the potential to "damage" your business is bullshit. And blocking the Pirate Bay is another brand of bullshit since the only file-sharing going on there is with .torrent files.

Heh, (1)

msimm (580077) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955459)

I think you forgot Russia. I expect they'll have to cut off .ru and .cz, just to be thorough.

Meanwhile in financial news... (5, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954827)

All ISPs in the Irish Republic report reduced revenues and profits.

Re:Meanwhile in financial news... (4, Interesting)

trawg (308495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955067)

I just scanned the article but this looks like a misleading subject.. basically only one ISP is doing this (although it's the biggest), and the others have been threatened with legal action (just like what is happening here in Australia, with one of our ISPs targeted by the media industry and currently getting sued [ausgamers.com] (disclosure: our site) for not taking action against file sharers).

So, this is basically ISPs caving to legal threats - which I guess either means they're complete pussies, or they have deals with the ISPs to provide content themselves (ie, sell music to their subscriber base) so its in their financial interests to comply, or they've actually crunched the numbers with their lawyers and Irish law doesn't look so good for ISPs.

If that latter is true, THEN I would believe reduced revenues might be likely - or if this ISP is just the biggest because it has a monopoly on infrastructure or whatever. If it's not though, users should just vote with their feet and jump ship on this ISP and go to one that is not going to tell them what they can and can't do with their Internet connections.

Re:Meanwhile in financial news... (2, Informative)

Synthlight (1009959) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955119)

All ISPs in the Irish Republic report reduced revenues and profits.

If the ISPs really do see a drop in profits then they may try to fight the decision, even if it's for the wrong reasons.

"Music sites." Really. (4, Insightful)

Alaren (682568) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954831)

I'm sure that the responsible people at Eircom (et. al) would never block any other sites--say, sites expressing unpopular political viewpoints. I mean, accidents happen, of course, and who can really tell the difference between the {insert favorite social pariah here} and those dirty file swappers sometimes? But surely such incidents will be few and far between, pending more bribes, er, incentives, er, collaborative funding from the media cartels.

I'm also sure they won't overextend the block to cover all torrent trackers, including legal ones. And it will surely be a trivial matter to have your site whitelisted. I doubt they'll charge a fee or anything. [/sarcasm]

It's so hard to keep a jolly, egalitarian attitude when people keep doing such colossally stupid things.

Re:"Music sites." Really. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955127)

Do these conspiracy theories ever come true? They sure do rack up the karma...

Re:"Music sites." Really. (2)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955351)

Do these conspiracy theories ever come true?

Where have you been for the past 10 years? Haven't you ever heard of the banking industry?

SWEET (3, Interesting)

orlanz (882574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954839)

Next up, socially and politically insensitive speech, porn, nude/violent/graphic images, low price merchants, and communication with unenlightened societies.

So many to choose from, it makes me dizzy just from thinking... oh, thinking!

I can haz censorship? (4, Insightful)

mrraven (129238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954923)

Between political correctness on the left, intolerance on the right, and pressure from crony capitalists to wall off their monopoly profits, pretty soon the only thing you'll be able to post on the internet will be cat pictures. :(

1984 (0, Offtopic)

mail2345 (1201389) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954947)

Then anything that causes increased level of brain activity.
The first thing any good dictator needs to prevent is critical thinking.

Re:I can haz censorship? (1)

daveime (1253762) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955315)

HAI
CAN HAZ PROXY ?
KTHXBAI

(Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.) ... um no, it's called LOLCODE, get with the program, you stupid filter !!!

Re:I can haz censorship? (4, Funny)

GauteL (29207) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955469)

"pretty soon the only thing you'll be able to post on the internet will be cat pictures. :("

How dare you?? Don't you know that underneath all that fur, those cats are completely naked?

Re:I can haz censorship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955587)

And they like to lick themselves *all over*!

That's brave of them (3, Insightful)

thewils (463314) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954879)

Clearly, now the ISPs are responsible for any music-swapping that occurs since they've taken it upon themselves to determine what is or isn't legal.

Re:That's brave of them (1)

UnderCoverPenguin (1001627) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955245)

...since they've taken it upon themselves to determine what is or isn't legal.

No. They are just accepting IRMA's determinations.

Just to be clear, these are music STEALING sites (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954887)

  Yo!

  To!

No swap needed. Come in and take all you want, it's the way of the gypsie theives, who I believe drink lots of april wine.

  To!

  Yo!

Re:Just to be clear, these are music STEALING site (1)

sleigher (961421) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954973)

Just so you know, I am pretty sure no one listens to April Wine [aprilwine.ca] anymore. Although, if you post that, 'Harder' and 'Faster' maybe some will listen.

Look, I Like to Rock and I will Say Hello Tonite because I am a Ladies Man. Before The Dawn we'll have Babes In Arms so you Better Do It Well so you don't become a 21st Century Schizoid Man.

Re:Just to be clear, these are music STEALING site (1)

mail2345 (1201389) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954977)

Not always.
They have legal uses.
Like <insert car/gun/ect analogy>.

Take for an example, the The Pirate Bay, they have otherwise censored documents about Scientology.

Other positive uses include:
Sampling
Content that the makers no longer profit from
Spreading legal material
Getting around technical DRM issues(ahem Spore)

Useless ISP's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954909)

Good, I think we need to block internet access to all of Ireland then ;). The internet is meant to be uncensored. If you can not understand that then you don't need access. The people that want to do it will just use other ways like IP tunneling.

Stupido lady there no ' for ISPs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954917)

You stupido lady

How many ISPs ?

How many stupidos ?

Re:Stupido lady there no ' for ISPs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955025)

About 100,000 stupidos for every ISP.

Podsafe Music (3, Interesting)

eggman9713 (714915) | more than 5 years ago | (#26954941)

If they "accidentally" block Podsafe Audio http://podsafeaudio.com/ [podsafeaudio.com] (All Creative Commons licensed content) that will prove how incompetent and underhanded the music industry and the ISPs are. I will be waiting for this to throw back into their faces.

Re:Podsafe Music (4, Interesting)

UnderCoverPenguin (1001627) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955295)

...that will prove how incompetent and underhanded the music industry [is]

Incompetent? No. just that they see no need to actually verify that the content actually violates their copyrights. Besides, according to TFA, the agreement is that IRMA will supply lists of site they deem harmful to their business. Clearly, in their view, indy artists giving away music is harmful to the businesses of IRMA.

I don't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26954997)

what's the point? there are virtually thousands of anonymizing, privacy and proxies, trying to "block a site" is useless.

To me it sound more like the ISPs are telling the music industry "shut the fuck up".

Why do the music cartels have so much influence? (4, Insightful)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955031)

Simply in terms of gross earnings, the music companies make peanuts compared to some other very big industries being negatively impacted by all this anti-piracy hullabaloo (sure, corporations probably don't pirate music, but this DRM and filtering and other BS all carry a cost for anyone working online). Are they just that much better at lobbying? Have they somehow nobbled all the right people? What gives?

Confused,

Re:Why do the music cartels have so much influence (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955269)

I live here. They're my ISP, for about another ten minutes.

Ireland is notoriously corrupt. Eircom didn't even fight the court case. I smell brown envelopes.

Re:Why do the music cartels have so much influence (5, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955421)

It goes something like this:

Music industry lobby
Lobbyist: Hi Mr MP, how would you like to meet Bono?
MP: OMG HE WAS MY IDOL AS A CHILD I'D LOVE TO
Lobbyist: Okay, just implement these laws otherwise Bono will be a very very sad person and might not want to come out and see you
MP: Sure!

IT industry lobby
Lobbyist: Hi Mr MP, how would you like to meet Richard Stallman?
MP: Who?

More seriously though, I think the issue does seem to be at least from my experience of reading into comments from various British MPs that the music industry is much better connected and MPs are much more likely to bow down at their feet simply because although some people of their generation are the founding fathers of IT as we know it, many more simply missed the boat with the IT thing and MPs nearly always fall into the latter- they just don't get IT, but they ALL know who Bono and so on is and they all worship these types of people. We don't have any IT literate MPs here and I'm not sure it's much different abroad, Obama is one of the first politicians I've seen that actually seems to have a decent grasp of technology.

I think the crux of it is that people in the music industry and politicians seem to get on well, they just seem to have the same mindset whilst IT and Science simply don't seem to get on with politicians as well. In that scenario it doesn't really matter what an industry is worth, most politicians don't seem to take a logical approach to decision making like that. They're more fallable to arguments such as "Piracy is wrong, it's illegal, it always has been, it must be stopped" than they were to reasoned arguments producing statistics showing piracy is only bad for the major labels but probably good overall for the population as a whole. If politicians did follow a logical, reasoned way of thinking then in the UK at least we wouldn't be seeing this consistent push for ID cards despite the population, the opposition parties, ex-security service leaders, employers/businesses being against it and costs for the scheme ballooning into many many billions of pounds- no logical or reasoned thought would lead to the conclusion that continuing such a scheme is a good idea.

One final note is that a few weeks back David Cameron mentioned that if the Conservative party made it into power next that he would appoint someone from the creative industry to be in charge of deciding the UK's broadband future. One has to wonder what on earth the logic behind that is when he could choose someone from the technology industry. That coupled with his speech to the BPI a couple of years ago that was full of ignorance and many other comments and events through the past few years along similar lines are a pretty good demonstration that David Cameron and the Conservatives are strongly tied to big media. I do not think Labour is any different judging by their actions. So one thing is for sure, their actions and comments in favour of big media over technology certainly add weight to the idea that yes, they have a much stronger lobby at very least or simply offer more "incentives" to MPs than technology does.

Re:Why do the music cartels have so much influence (5, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955655)

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in .com.fr,
we shall fight on the web and on usenet,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Internet, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the servers,
we shall fight on port 443,
we shall fight in the VPNs and on P2P,
we shall fight in the darknets;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Internet or a large part of it were subjugated and censored, then our digital Anarchy beyond the web, armed and guarded by thepiratebay fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in good time, the New Internet, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

Re:Why do the music cartels have so much influence (1)

Aceticon (140883) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955423)

  • Most celebrities work in Media (TV, Movies, Music)
  • Politicians like to be seen/endorsed with/by celebrities
  • Most voters are dumb enough to let themselves be influenced by the glam that surrounds celebrities

With the notable exception of Bill Gates (because he's filthy rich and does good charity work) and Steve Jobs (because Apple is as much a fashion company as a technology one) there is nobody in the technology sphere that has anywhere the celebrity power of most media stars.

Re:Why do the music cartels have so much influence (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955529)

I think Europe tends to follow the United States in terms of policies. I would imagine it's because the trading with the US is so important, they want to stay on the good side of the US. Also, there's probably a strong lobby in Europe as well.

The music industry's war against its consumers is a guaranteed losing battle. We have already decided that music costs too much and we are refusing to pay their artificially high prices. They can either change or die. They chose to die. So this is just their attempt to survive.

So Ireland isn't a free country once again (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955055)

That's it, really.  How sad.

Re:So Ireland isn't a free country once again (2, Informative)

thermian (1267986) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955219)

That's it, really. How sad.

Freedom isn't defined by the ability to download music for free.

This does amuse me. All these measures do is bring about new technology for sharing files. Well, that and win the people who came up with the idea promotions/votes.

Anyone who thinks of things like this should be sat down and made to watch a film about prohibition. Then they might just realise how stupid they're being. Just arguing that they're doing the wrong thing won't work, because they don't think they are, and anyone who says they are is 'uninformed'.

Re:So Ireland isn't a free country once again (1)

Gunstick (312804) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955283)

> prohibition

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode with the bowling balls as beer containers.
Just create virtual bowling balls and put the files in there (steganography or simple encryption)

Unexpected Win (5, Informative)

Bob A Trollmuncher (738173) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955087)

Here in NZ we have been about to suffer one of the most draconian media industry walkovers that made the DMCA look like a wet bus ticket ... But then something entirely unexpected happened - the government actually after some shiny grassroot protests like the blackout thing that shut down many public sites here in NZ for the day. I might actually have some hope for democracy after all. http://creativefreedom.org.nz/ [creativefreedom.org.nz]

Re:Unexpected Win (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955241)

In New Zealand? Stop harassing the Maori first, then think about democracy, then you can start doing something about the interwebz.

Swapping by sneakernet (1)

Bragador (1036480) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955215)

If they do that, people will simply start forums where people can swap their collections by sending their 32 and + GB usb flash drives through the mail. I bet it would save them money doing that too since the Internet costs so much...

Re:Swapping by sneakernet (1)

RichM (754883) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955585)

You could be on to something with this. Maybe not flash memory but I can certainly see it being done with data DVDs full of the latest tracks.

Horray, I get to use this again! (1)

The Master Control P (655590) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955261)

President Madagascar!

Re:Horray, I get to use this again! (1)

The Master Control P (655590) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955271)

Oh goddamnit, the one motherfucking time I enthusiastically click "submit" and there's a typo. Yeah, Murphy? You and your law can both go fuck yourselves.

*ahem* anyway... President Madagascar! [homelinux.com]

Re:Horray, I get to use this again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955313)

Lulzy

I wonder if that also means.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955263)

They are gonna have one headache keeping track of all the different torrent hosting sites o.0

personally I'm disappointed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955291)

Personally I'm disappointed that my telecommunications provider does not block access to the landlines of brothels, drug dealers and anyone with an ongoing legal claim against them.

Lists (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955311)

Irma, which represents major music groups EMI, Sony-BMG, Warner and Universal, is to begin compiling lists of websites that it claims are damaging its business.

Reminds me of the Red-scare issue when activist groups were creating lists.

Is anyone surprised? (1)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955319)

Ireland is a small country that has been riddled with political corruption for a long time. It has few natural resources (and as Brian O'Nolan once observed, the only words of Irish you really need to have a conversation on the West Coast are those for downpour, eternity, whiskey and potatoes. And he was Irish...)

So Irish governments have had the idea of making Ireland a tax haven for "creatives" - writers, musicians and artists. Given the current financial doo-doos, caused in part by the diversion of so much of the EU infrastructure budget to other purposes, they will naturally turn to trying to keep the recording industry onside. And with Dell going, and Apple deeper in bed with the recording industry, they have no incentive to support anybody else's business model.

Still, I expect the Irish communities around the world, full of people with enough go in them to want to escape, will welcome the influx of young well-educated people.

"swapping" (0, Redundant)

cliffski (65094) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955345)

Nice attempt at spin, but when you copy music from someone else that isn't swapping, unless you automatically delete your copy.
Its copying, and with copyrighted music, its copyright infringement. Renaming it 'swapping' is just a silly piece of spin that holds no water with the law, nor should it.

Re:"swapping" (0)

Mascot (120795) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955457)

What spin? It's the word used in the newspaper article. I can't discern a shred of bias in that article.

As for the word, I don't see any issue. Swapping implies giving and receiving. Exchanging. P2P services do just that. Unlike "theft", for example, the definition of "swapping" does not require the loss of access to what they exchange. At least not in the dictionary I checked.

It does not infer legality in any way.

Finally! (1, Insightful)

msimm (580077) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955479)

Someone's finally just thinking of the children. Too bad that seems to include all of Ireland, but that's a small price to pay for safety!

To be fair (1)

james.mcarthur (154849) | more than 5 years ago | (#26955689)

I hope that the block includes legitimate sources of music as well. After all, it wouldn't be fair just to block p2p to competitors^H^H^H^H^H^H^H err, "illegal" file sharing sites would it? Oh, what was that.. this isn't about justice..

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26955725)

Eircom was privatised years ago, its the biggest ISP in ireland. no wonder it "caved" into legal threats, have you ever heard of Cartel monopolies?

what eircom is doing is quite smart, their banning All (that they can find) file sharing sites and programs, and if you are caught 3 times downloading "illeagle music" they stop feeding you your connection,but still charge the contract.

Basically to sum it up - their going to make alligations over their extreme high bandwith users,and since you cant appeal these alligations, they could cancel your service, and viola less server usage.

I'll see you in court bitches.

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