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Last.fm Shoots Down Rumors Over U2 Album Leak

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the eno-is-the-only-reason-u2-still-exists dept.

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nandemoari writes "Internet radio site Last.fm has denied reports that it told the record industry which of its members had listened to a leaked U2 album. The site claims the entire story, published by Techcrunch, was made up. Last week the record industry became extremely concerned after U2's forthcoming album appeared on several torrent file sharing sites. While there is no way any users could have acquired the album through Last.fm, the site's statistics suggest that more than 8,000 users have played the unreleased album on their machines."

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Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this round.. (5, Insightful)

slifox (605302) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957795)

Very often I see comments dismissing any reasons for not freely giving out any and all seemingly-trivial personal information...

Well, this is the perfect situation for justifying the desire for what is now often considered excessive privacy. While some information alone may not seem sensitive, the conclusions others' might draw about you from it, combined with other info (like your profile data), may indeed be worth protecting.

Of course, if no one gave out any information, the internet would be very blank... So clearly a balance between giving out personal info and linking that personal info together is necessary. For example, the only way I'd submit my playlists to Last.FM is if it were done in an anonymous fashion, such that my user account doesn't link back to me, my IP, or any other personally-identifying info. Otherwise, I'd be happy to include some profile info, but don't count on getting my playlist too!

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (5, Funny)

theginjaninja (848364) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957939)

I think the bigger problem we have is that people are still listening to U2!

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958521)

Bono's singing sounds like Ned Beatty squealing in Deliverance.

Oblig joke (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26959097)

Bono, whilst playing a gig in Glasgow, got the whole crowd to be silent and then began slowly clapping his hands. He got the crowd to clap along for a while, the stadium quiet except for the rhythmic clapping...

After a short period Bono spoke, saying that everytime he clapped his hands a child in Africa died...

Suddenly, from the front row of the venue a voice broke out in thick Scottish brogue, ending the silence as it echoed across the crowd, the voice cried out to Bono "Well stop ****ing doing it then!!"

Re:Oblig joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26961763)

"thick Scottish brogue"

Great. Now all the comments on slashdot are going to sound like they are spoken in thick Scottish brogue, in my head. At least for the rest of the day. Try it. It's funny.

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (1)

jetsci (1470207) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958097)

What if they implemented something along the lines of 1 time credit card numbers. Imagine you could be assigned a very random set of characters associated with your identity that would allow you to register for services and only trusted sites had access to the 'true' information.

Then again, using a service such as this implies a central server with all the information and that is scary just by itself.

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958221)

I'm not sure if I'm playing into a woosh moment, but paypal has a free "secure card" service that generates such one-time-use credit card numbers..

Paypal introduces secure cards [geek.com]

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958281)

No, you did not walk into a whoosh, you did however miss the reading comprehension. The poster clearly alluded TO the existence of 1 time secure credit cards and was not suggesting the invention of technology he clearly knew to exist already.

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (1)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959909)

How about storing that info on one's personal server?

Or encrypted and signed, then spread in the cloud, and you'd just hand out private keys that'd able to decrypt parts of the information, to trusted parties.

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958223)

Who cares about U2 anyway!?!? Seriously, I hope they only have 8,000 listeners in the whole world but even then that's too many.

Why?

You see U2 sued the living bejesus out of the band Negativland over some utterly silly shit and U2 denied it for the longest time but then a few years ago U2 got caught in a lie [duke.edu] . The link is to a conference in which one of Negativland's members happens to find the very person who gave a copy of their album to U2, a manager for REM. Yeah, lie to us some more Bono.

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (1)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958539)

Top Tracks
1. Simon & Garfunkel - The Sound of Silence
2. Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World
3. Yasunori Mitsuda - Another Telmina
4. Joe Hisaishi - River Side
5. Air - Alpha Beta Gaga
6. Led Zeppelin - Going to California
6. Jeff Wahl - Linus and Lucy
8. Joe Hisaishi - Summer
9. djpretzel - Zelda 64 Pachelbel's Ganon OC ReMix
10. Berlin Chamber Orchestra, Peter Wohlert - Brandenburg Concerto No.6 in B flat major

Oh the embarrassment.

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (1)

KillerBob (217953) | more than 5 years ago | (#26960245)

Replying here so that it's at the top, rather than it being lost in the deluge.

My local alt rock station played the album, in full, every track, the day before the leak hit everywhere. Not only were they broadcasting it over the air, they have a 192kbit live stream out over the Internet that can be accessed from anywhere in the world. (http://www.livelifelive.fm ... sadly, it's blocked by my work filters.)

Something tells me the leak has nothing to do with Last.FM.... nasty rumours about them sharing info, etc., is really just fearmongering.

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26969125)

Did you even read the summary? Nobody said the leak had anything to do with Last.fm, rather just that Last.fm's stats say that over 8000 of their users have played tracks from the leaked album, so Last.fm knows who did acquire copies of the leaked album.

Re:Looks like the privacy paranoiacs win this roun (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26967597)

Well, this is the perfect situation for justifying the desire for what is now often considered excessive privacy. [...] For example, the only way I'd submit my playlists to Last.FM is if it were done in an anonymous fashion, such that my user account doesn't link back to me, my IP, or any other personally-identifying info.

That solution may be fine for you, and that's all and good, but what about the exhibitionists among us? After all, it's the exhibitionists who are affected by this, not you.

Personally, I'd just like an easy way to falsify this information (if desired). For instance with FireEagle, I can let everyone know where I'm located, but I can also lie about my location for whatever reason. The same goes with my play list, I should be able to publish my current play list, but I should also be able to import my amazon wish list of songs I am going to buy (as soon as they become available) and publish it as a my current play list. I should also be allowed to make up song names and artists names to throw all my friends and family for a loop. And let's say, should I ever decide to listen to "The New Kids on The Block" (or some other god-awful boy band that for some reason plays incessantly in my head), I should have a way to filter it out so that I can avoid the very public embarrassment of everyone of my friends finding out about it.

And when I said "should", I really meant "I'd like to". I do realize that no web site is obligated to fulfill my every wish. And I also do realize that my opinion only represents a very tiny portion of users on the internet, and that for most users -- sharing no information publicly whatsoever is the default move -- and for those users -- I have no problem -- I don't even have any desire to change their minds on this matter.

Does it matter? (5, Insightful)

jamesmcm (1354379) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957809)

Even if they were reporting it, the moment they started acting on the fact the ID3 tags showed leaked albums, people would change all their ID3 tags to leaked albums in protest.

Re:Does it matter? (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958439)

Even if they were reporting it, the moment they started acting on the fact the ID3 tags showed leaked albums, people would change all their ID3 tags to leaked albums in protest.

Probably not such a good idea since the Supreme Court struck down the Fourth Amendment [freep.com] .

Re:Does it matter? (2, Insightful)

DustyShadow (691635) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959671)

How does browsing a last.fm profile that the user made public have anything to do with the 4th Amendment?

Re:Does it matter? (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959691)

The so-called "good faith" rule has been around for a long time. This is yet just another installment of the same.

Nice Relationship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26957823)

While most industries rely on the tried and true Producer/Consumer model of customer relationship, the record labels treat their source of money as a Prosecutor/Criminal relationship. Let's see how long people are willing to pay money to be treated that way.

Re:Nice Relationship (3, Insightful)

catxk (1086945) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957851)

30 years and counting

Re:Nice Relationship (3, Interesting)

cromar (1103585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957979)

I for one am tired of waiting! However, independent music has been making progress, and we are far better now than we were ten years ago. We have good music blogs that provide promotional mp3s, iTunes and Amazon (I believe) are both dealing with independent labels (iTunes indie section, is insanely great), sites like last.fm and favtape.com provide a means of leagally listening to music. Albums cost less than they used to: $10 or less compared to some CDs that cost $22? (I haven't bought a new CD in a long time... are they still so expensive?) eMusic is even cheaper (of course a lot of their content is deliberately misleading crap, but I digress).

The beginnings of a shining revolution in media are here and have been growing. Of course that doesn't stop such travesties as DMCA, DRM, erosion of fair use, etc.

P.S. Has the ASCAP been fucking around in anyone else's hometown lately? In my hometown in Columbia, Missouri, we have had the ASCAP basically shut down our "open mic nights" for anyone who doesn't pay some rediculous ($thousands) protection money. The one business owner I talked to couldn't afford that, and the ASCAP goon had scared her good *even though typically no commercial content is sampled or covered at these events!* Result: local venues catering to independent music have been nearly completely shutdown.

I'm going to start leaking album plays via last.fm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26957831)

Any new albums coming out I'm not supposed to have? I'll make some fake tracks and tag them appropriately. Heck, I'll even rate them unfavorably! Haha!

Re:I'm going to start leaking album plays via last (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26957863)

I remember when somebody released fake U2 tracks with miscellaneous burping, farting, and cursing noises. They were a damn sight better than the album.

The album is on Spotify (5, Informative)

catxk (1086945) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957883)

The album is available for preview on Spotify and Spotify is integrated with last.fm, so is it possible the 8000 last.fm users who listened to the tracks are perfectly legal Spotify users?

Re:The album is on Spotify (1)

Makarakalax (658810) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959805)

Quite. Scrobbling is an open protocol. There are so many ways to submit scrobbles. There is no way at Last.fm's end to differentiate between a legitimate scrobble and an illegitimate one.

Re:The album is on Spotify (4, Informative)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959837)

The Last.fm "Techcrunch are full of shit" blog entry links to a little bit of digging done by Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] showing that the leak originally came from a totally legit online MP3 store that started selling the album early.

So yes, some or many of those could have actually paid money for a legal copy of the album.

last.fm data isn't really evidence of anything (5, Informative)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957909)

Or, given the way last.fm works, 8,000 people submitted the names of the album tracks to the site. Which you could just do by re-tagging other files, or just submitting whatever you felt like to the web service.

The fact that 8,000 have apparently listened to the album, based on their last.fm submissions, doesn't mean any of them actually have. Of course it doesn't mean they haven't either; it's just that last.fm data is hardly authoritative.

Re:last.fm data isn't really evidence of anything (1)

DustyShadow (691635) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958067)

Good luck arguing that to a court. Maybe you need to go back to that "You Are Not a Lawyer" post from a couple weeks ago.

Re:last.fm data isn't really evidence of anything (4, Informative)

Coopjust (872796) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958173)

The fact that many customers bought the album from legally Universal Australia, which was the source of the leak [eonline.com] , means that trying to seek out the cause or find who downloaded the album vs. who bought it from Universal Australia means that any data collection from Last.FM would be useless- no way to determine who paid vs. who didn't.

Re:last.fm data isn't really evidence of anything (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959079)

While there is no way any users could have acquired the album through Last.fm, the site's statistics suggest that more than 8,000 users have played the unreleased album on their machines."

Sure, nobody could recorded it, ***Cough**Analog*Hole*Cough*** but 8.000 listened to it.

Last.fm called by God (0, Offtopic)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957933)

God has called me to tell the story you are about to read. It was
excruciating for me to relive it as I wrote the words. But, I knew
that it was God's Will for me to follow through. I believe, at some
point, it will be my son's story to tell, but until he's ready to do
so, I'll tell it. It is my prayer that this story will plant a
spiritual seed in the hearts of many and set them on the path to
discovering just how magnificent God's power and glory really is. My
story spans many pages, but please read every word of it, even if you
feel that some of the content is irrelevant to your life. Since it
was God's Will for me to write this, I have to believe that His Holy
Spirit is within these pages. And, where His Holy Spirit is,
blessings, too, will be.

In my mind, I had always pictured that if anything ever happened to
one of my children, I would just start screaming and never stop. On
April 17th, 2005, at about 9:30 a.m., in a hotel room in Dallas,
Texas, I was awakened from a dead sleep by my husband's frantic words
that I will never forget as long as I live: "TAMMY, SOMETHING'S
HAPPENED TO BRANDIN!" Brandin, my son who was 16 years old at that
time, had been critically injured.

In the midst of my hysteria, I gathered what little information there
was at the moment from Brandin's very distraught Grandmother. He had
been involved in a rollover accident and had been ejected from the
vehicle. She only knew that he was critically injured and that he was
being airlifted at that moment to Everett Tower, a Severe Trauma
hospital in Oklahoma City.

There is no description for the torment I felt on that 3-hour trip
from Dallas to Oklahoma City. My prayer is that no mother ever has to
be in a position to ask God to please forgive any sins her son may
have committed if he should die without getting the chance to ask
himself. I went back and forth between that and begging God to save
his life, and the hysteria continued. My worst fear was that he would
die with no one there who loves him. Thank God my sister and
stepmother lived in Norman, OK, so they were able to get to Everett
Tower shortly after he arrived and give me updates until I could get
there.

I knew before I walked in the hospital that Brandin had suffered a
severe blow to the head and that he had considerable damage to his
face and brain. But, nothing on earth could have prepared me for
walking in that ER and seeing my baby.... broken... lying there
lifeless. He appeared to have gauze packed in the right side of his
head where the impact occurred. I add such a gruesome detail not to
exploit Brandin's injuries but to help you, the audience, to
understand the severity of his condition. Words cannot describe the
sheer terror I felt. I just knew I'd lost him.

His list of injuries was extensive. He had crushed almost every bone
in the right side of his face except his lower jaw. They were
concerned that he could lose the use of his right eye. He had
bleeding at the base of his brain. The impact had shifted his brain
to the left side of his skull. But, of the most concern was the fact
that his right carotid artery, where it branches and goes inside the
skull to feed the right side of the brain, was completely occluded
(blocked). That, combined with all the other trauma, put him at a
very high risk for stroke. Brandin was in a drug-induced coma in an
effort to allow his brain every opportunity to heal. He would need
reconstruction on the right side of his face, but that was secondary
to the brain injury and would have to wait until his brain had healed
enough to withstand a surgery.

The paramedics had placed a device known as a "bolt" in his head,
which measured the pressure in the brain. It was measured by a
number, and if that number climbed too high,... Well, I don't know what
would have happened because I never had to find out, thank God.

Once the medical team felt that Brandin was stabilized enough to move
him from Emergency to a room in Severe Trauma ICU (STICU), the
neurosurgeon came in and talked to us. His prognosis was grim. He
gave us all the details of Brandin's injuries, but his final words
were the hardest for us to take: "I don't want you to give up hope,...
but it doesn't look good."

We couldn't go in and see him until after they had stiched his face
up. When we were finally able to go in, a nurse coldly informed me,
for what reason I still don't know, that "at the scene, Brandin was
what is known as 'Glasgow Coma Level III,' which means he was not
breathing unassisted." Another nail in the coffin of hope that
Brandin would awaken and be the same Brandin he was before. But, I
was relieved to find that all the skin was intact on his face, and the
stitches pulled it all back together again.

The tears. Oh, Lord, the tears. I truly believe mine alone could
have filled a river. They just wouldn't stop. Day ran into night - I
didn't know the difference. I just camped there beside his bed and
watched those machines breathe for the small, lifeless form that had
become my son. Everett Tower was, from what I learned during my stay,
one of the few trauma units in the U.S. that firmly believed that
family interaction with coma patients was crucial to their recovery.
We were allowed full access to come and go at any hour except for
three 30-minute shift change intervals throughout a 24-hour period.
That was yet another blessing from the Lord because I would have
absolutely gone insane had I not been able to spend every minute by
his side.

While we waited for the staff to finish stitching Brandin's face,
someone showed us where the chapel was on that floor. For the next
several weeks, if I was not with Brandin, I was in that chapel,
praying. I knew there was only one hope, and that was Jesus. Brandin
wasn't leaving that place without His help. And, I wasn't leaving
that hospital without Brandin. I needed a miracle.

The first time I walked into the chapel, I noticed a large book on a
pedestal. It contained prayers written by others who were facing
situations similar to my own. I remember that I began writing my
prayer, my written plea to God Almighty, to please save my child
because I just could not live without him. I remember great big
tears, so many tears, splashing down like rain on my words as I wrote.
I'll never forget that as long as I live. I went back weeks later
and read that prayer I'd written and saw the smeared words and relived
the anguish. It just wrenched at my soul to revisit what we'd been
through. But, at the same time, I praised God because He'd dragged us
through the worst of our ordeal.

Bits and pieces of information pertaining to the nature of the wreck
filtered to me from family members and eye-witnesses. I guess, the
fact of the matter is that I never really wanted to know exactly what
happened. I knew the image in my mind would just be too painful if
Brandin didn't survive. I could share things that I've reluctantly
learned about the accident that would more than drive the point home
that Brandin's life is a miracle, but I'll just say this: Given the
testimony of certain individuals who were present at the scene, there
is no logical, human explanation for why Brandin is alive today.

I honestly don't know how many days we'd been at Everett Tower when
this special incident occurred. As I said, my days and nights had
long since all run together. I just know Brandin was still in a coma
when this occurred. I was in the chapel, on my knees, begging God to
save his life. In John 10:27, Jesus says, "My sheep know my voice,
and I know them, and they follow me." I heard Him speak, and I know
it was Jesus because He is my shepherd, and I know His voice. He
said, "Fear not, for the Lord is upon him." I don't remember feeling
a sense of great calm afterward, but you have to realize I was in a
frantic state and had been for days, ready to trade my life for
Brandin's - or whatever it took to save him. Even though I was still
so afraid I'd lose Brandin, I clung to those words He spoke in that
chapel with every fiber of my being.

These things that we mistakenly think are priorities in our lives... are
just not. I learned that very quickly during our stay at Everett. If
you think that the world would stop turning if you were not there to
perform your job duties, to pay your bills.. Think again. In
Proverbs, we learn that "There is a way which seems right to man, but
in the end, that way leads to death." Think about that statement.
It's profound. The way that seems right to us doesn't lead to injury
or harm. It leads to death! These things that we mistake for
important will lead us to death. If it's not God, and it's not your
family, it does not belong at the top of your priority list. In an
instant, my world went from things of this world like money and
vacations to God and family. That's all that mattered. That's all
that should matter. All of a sudden, whether or not I paid the car
payment on time seemed profoundly insignificant.

Do I think God was responsible for Brandin's accident? Absolutely
not. Jesus Himself said that satan comes to steal, to kill and to
destroy. He followed that up with, "But, I am come that you may have
life, and that you may have it more abundantly."

I'm going to backtrack to several months before Brandin's accident for
just a minute, and then I'll come back to that last statement. In
Fall 2004 (5 months before Brandin's accident), I reunited with my
mother, with whom I'd had no relationship for over 10 years. She and
I developed a relationship again over the months following our
reunion. She had completely given her life to Christ, and He had
changed her life so significantly that I found myself very drawn to
her faith. Many times, during our conversations that winter and
spring, I confided in her about how deeply I regretted that I had
robbed my children of the opportunity to grow up in Christ (by not
taking them to church). She knew well how this tore at my spirit.

I know now that my reconciliation with my mother was part of God's
Plan. It was not by accident that Brandin was airlifted to the
hospital right across the street from where she worked in Oklahoma
City - A breezeway even connected her place of work to Everett! My
mother is the one who led Brandin to give his life to Christ during
his hospital stay.

So, now, back to that previous line of thought. Do I think it was
God's Will for Brandin to be in that accident? Not at all. It is
never God's Will for harm to befall us. If God had a choice, we would
never feel pain and would spend our time here on earth so close to Him
that nothing evil could come close to us. In the case of Brandin's
accident, Satan seized the opportunity to cause misery, and God
stepped in, turned it all around, and gave us the miracle of Brandin's
life being saved. But, most importantly, He gave us the miracle of
Brandin's soul being saved. Jesus said, "But, I am come that you may
have life, and you may have it more abundantly." The life that Jesus
is referring to in this passage is that which comes from salvation.

I honestly don't know exactly how long Brandin was in the coma. The
closest I can guess is 13 days. As anyone would expect, he developed
pneumonia, as though things weren't complicated enough. The doctors
had prepared us for the worst because the brunt of the trauma to his
brain had been to the front and right side, which determine such
things as behavior, personality and decision-making. At that point, I
just wanted him to wake up so we could begin dealing with whatever we
had to deal with.

My husband, Brad, had gone back home to work for a few days and had
just returned on the evening that they started reducing the Ativan
(the drug that was keeping Brandin in the coma). Brad desperately
wanted to get a hotel room, just for the night, because he absolutely
could not sleep in the waiting room (or even the chapel), with all the
coming and going of people, never mind the lights that couldn't be
shut off. The nurse on duty that night encouraged me to try to get
some sleep because Brandin would be, as she put it, "a handful" when
he woke up. So, I agreed to go to a hotel, but when we were pulling
away from the hospital, I just started crying and panicking and told
him I couldn't do it. I could not stand the thought of waking up to
the phone ringing to give me bad news.

Since Brad could see a hotel room was out of the question, he talked
me into staying in the pickup in the hospital parking lot. At least,
there, it was quiet and semi-dark. So, I agreed to that, making sure
to give the nurses specific instructions to call me if ANYTHING -
ANYTHING - happened.

My phone rang at 5:30 a.m. It was the hospital. I was scared out of
my mind to answer that call. By the time I got my phone opened to
answer it, my hand was shaking so horribly, and my teeth were
chattering. The nurse said, "He's awake, he's pulled his ventilator
completely out, and he told me he wants something to drink NOW!" I
cannot explain the emotion I felt at that moment. Total elation.
Standing in awe of a loving God that heard my desperate cries for His
help, told me he was handling the situation, and then proved it.
Praise God!!! Just knowing Brandin could speak gave me all the hope
in the world that he would fully recover. That elevator couldn't
carry me quickly enough to that boy.

Throughout that day, they continued to reduce the Ativan and morphine.
The nurses had all warned us that Brandin would, like all other head
trauma patients, act completely out of character for awhile after
waking up. He did. He knew his name, his birthday, his parents'
names, etc., but he was a looney toon for the first few days. Just as
we'd been told, he was a handful. He kept us all busy, busy.

He had to learn to walk again. It's amazing how quickly muscle
atrophy sets in. He picked it back up quickly though. Within two
days, I was able to get him to the bathroom and back without any help.

Before his accident, Brandin was a gamer (online video game addict)
who drank too much Mountain Dew and could type faster than anyone I
know. I wanted so much for him to be the person he was before. Over
the next few days, it became apparent that he was completely the same
person. We could hardly get him to drink water - He wanted soft
drinks (only his preference had changed to Dr. Pepper). And, when my
brother (who is also a gamer) came to visit him the day he woke up,
the first thing out of Brandin's mouth was, "Hey, Uncle Glenn, what
level did you get to?" Glenn said, "29. What about you?" Brandin
said, "35." That one little snippet of interaction was God's promise
fulfilled - My Brandin was going to recover from this. It was
astonishing to me. If you could have seen him that first day... I just
knew I'd lost him forever. And, yet, I sat there listening to him
talk about games to my brother like old times. Wow! As a further
testament to his complete recovery, he can still out-type anyone. God
is awesome.

Brandin still had many hurdles to overcome. Only a few days later,
the doctors felt he was doing well enough to withstand the
reconstruction on the right side of his face. So, now, we can call
him "Titanium Man." The surgery took 7 excruciating hours. And, he
woke up to a surprise: They wired his jaw shut to set that top jaw
bone. So, that was an ordeal.

A day after the surgery, the doctors discovered something that was
probably there all along: He had damage to the 6th cranial nerve, so
his left eye couldn't move left of center. Several months and visits
to an eye institute later, we were given the good news that surgery
wouldn't be necessary because it was repairing itself.

After Brandin's surgery, he was moved out of STICU and into the
regular trauma unit. During his recovery, we would go for walks
throughout the hospital. We were always met with much love by the
families in the STICU waiting rooms. They clung to Brandin as their
hope that their loved ones would some day walk and talk and live
again. I know seeing Brandin gave them the strength to endure the
wait and the faith that healing would come.

From the day of Brandin's accident, my mother was a significant source
of strength for me. Her faith dragged me through that ordeal. She
had no doubt that God would heal Brandin. She repeatedly gave me
scripture verses to confirm the fact that Brandin would be healed.
She prayed over him. And, a few days before Brandin was released from
his month-long stay in the hospital, she led him to accept Jesus as
his Savior. About 2 years later, Brandin was baptized in a lake at
church camp. Recall, now, that I had confided in my mother on several
occasions (prior to Brandin's accident) about my regret that I had
deprived my children of a relationship with Christ. Do you see how
God took a nightmare and turned it into an answered prayer?

His carotid artery was still occluded. From the beginning, the
doctors had told us that it just wasn't an option to perform surgery
to fix it. The risks completely outweighed the benefits. They
explained that the human body is a magnificent thing. It has a backup
system, just incase anything should ever obstruct the flow of one of
the carotids. And, what's more, the body actually has the capability
to grow new blood vessels in response to an occlusion. So, their
treatment plan was 6 months on blood thinner.

After the 6 months, I cried another river as the ultrasound screen
confirmed that the artery was still occluded. But, God is good. I
privately discussed with the doctor what the repercussions of the
occlusion would be. Would it shorten Brandin's life? The doctor told
me that many, many people live with only one carotid, and they have
completely normal lives. And, no, the occlusion would not shorten his
life.

Brandin lives a completely normal life today. His school faculty made
a decision to let him pass without making up that last month of school
that he missed. And, he was able to start his junior year that next
fall with the rest of his class. He was a 2007 high school graduate.
What an accomplishment for everything that could have stood in his
way. He couldn't have done any of it without the Lord.

If you have doubts that God exists or that Jesus is God's Son, please
call or email me. This is not the only miracle he has given me. Of
course, this is the greatest miracle, but it is far from the only one.
He's just waiting to give you miracles too. The Holy Spirit lives in
my heart, and He tells me that Jesus is God's Son.

About 6 months ago, I fulfilled the commitment I'd made to myself to
read the Bible from the beginning of the Old Testament to the end of
the New. I always knew that the answers to all my questions in life
would be in that Book. I was right. There is NO question in this
life that God didn't supply an answer for in His Word. And, the
blessings that came from it are immeasurable. I can't even explain
what it did. It changed my whole life. Reading the words in that
Book literally caused the blinders to be ripped off my eyes. You've
heard - probably even sang - the words to Amazing Grace, "Was blind,
but now I see." I don't think I ever truly understood the meaning of
those words until I read the Bible. Spiritually, I was blind. But,
now, I see. Praise God.

Maybe you don't know Jesus. Or, maybe you gave your life to Christ
but have fallen back into sin. Please, I beg of you - Turn to Him.
Truly give you heart to Him. Turn away from the stronghold satan has
on your life. Trust Jesus to change your life. And, He will! Do you
think that something you've done is too wrong to deserve forgiveness?
You couldn't be further from right. Sin is sin. It's all unholy to
our Holy God. That's why He sent Jesus. Don't let satan tell you
that what you've done is unforgivable. Jesus says that it IS
forgivable, whatever it is, as long as you confess it to Him and truly
seek forgiveness.

Or, maybe you're not a Christian at all. Maybe you belong to another
religion. This plea is especially for you! If your god is not a
personal, loving god, he is not God! Please take some time to test me
on that. God is interactive and loving and waiting to fill your heart
with love and your life with miracles. There is only one way to God,
and that is through Jesus Christ. I know this because it is only
through Jesus that I pray to God, and He answers. Daily. That's a
pretty good indication, in my opinion, that Jesus is the doorway to
God.

No matter what your situation, Jesus can work with it. He can turn it
around and align it with His Will. I waited so many years - so many
years! - thinking it was going to be so hard to give my life
completely to Christ, thinking it was going to be such a difficult
transition. That is satan's biggest lie! It was so easy. When I
finally said, "Okay, Lord. I'm yours," the transition was so easy and
so smooth and so right. I cannot believe I waited for so many years
and took the chance of dying before I did it.

Don't wait. You do not know when you will die. It could be today.
After you die, it is just simply too late. Every second of every day,
the hand of Christ is extended to you. Please just reach up and take
it now. You have nothing to lose and eternity to gain. The "things"
of this life are meaningless. It's the reason Jesus lived his entire
life with only the clothes he was wearing. He knew the harm that came
from loving "things." Things only bring death. Jesus brings life.
He said Himself, "He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates
his life in this world will keep it for eternal life." He was
referring to the "things" of this life - fortune, fame, beauty.
Choose life through Him, and you'll soon realize how insignificant
those "things" are.

By accepting Jesus as your Savior, you will invite the Holy Spirit of
God Himself to come into your heart and change your life. And, most
importantly, you'll save your soul for eternity. There simply IS
nothing you could do in this life that is more important. Please take
1 minute to say this prayer.

Jesus, I'm a sinner. I've done so many things wrong. But, my heart
is sincere, and I'm asking you now to please forgive me for my sins.
Please come into my heart. Change me. I believe that you are the Son
of God. I believe you died for my sins, that you rose from the dead,
and that you now sit at the right hand of God. Set me free, Jesus,
from the chains I've allowed satan to bind me with. In return, I
promise to grow in my knowledge of you, to learn about you and to
honor you all the days of my life. Amen.

Please, if you have any questions, or if you feel like I could help
you in your walk with the Lord, don't hesitate to email or call me.
And, I always welcome miracle testimonies!

Re:Last.fm called by God (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958213)

In B4

"I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie 'Yo homes smell ya later'
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel Air"

Having heard it, I promise you (4, Informative)

VShael (62735) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957955)

that 8000 people hearing it, have guaranteed 8000 no-sales.

It's terrible.

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#26957991)

How will Bono put food on his plate?

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (4, Funny)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958011)

Didn't he die in a skiing accident?

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958141)

No. That was Boney M.

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (3, Funny)

hannson (1369413) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958179)

No, he's just a piece of shit [wikipedia.org]

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (5, Insightful)

webreaper (1313213) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958041)

It's an interesting premise.

There's a school of thought that says the pirated music encourages more people to buy through album sales based on 'previews'. And yet the RIAA claim this sort of piracy decreases sales.

Perhaps it's just that people hearing the full album realise it's shit. I wonder if albums sales would decrease even further if radio stations played the full track-listing before the CD was available to buy.

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (5, Insightful)

Cassini2 (956052) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958197)

There's a school of thought that says the pirated music encourages more people to buy through album sales based on 'previews'. And yet the RIAA claim this sort of piracy decreases sales.

Advertising based on word of mouth is fickle for advertisers. If you have something good, then it works better than anything else. People trust friends. If your product sucks, then people still trust their friends, and won't touch your product.

Internet P2P programs like BitTorrent amplify this effect. Now, you can listen to something yourself, and figure out for yourself how much you like it. Thus P2P results in a dramatic decrease in control for advertisers. It is even more fickle than word of mouth.

If you have a poor product, but from a band with a good reputation, then you want to blitz market the product. Let no one listen to it in advance. Have it show up at stores in massive quantities the day of launch, and sell as much as you can on the first day. This way you can scam as many people as possible for first day sales. With some luck, this first day blitz will cover your costs, and everything will turn out OK. The movie industry specializes in this tactic.

P2P threatens to completely destabilize this advertising tactic. The record companies, which are really big advertisers, will not be happy about this loss of control. Even if P2P ultimately makes them more money, the record companies still won't be happy about the loss of control.

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (1)

rebelcontent (1484877) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959285)

P2P threatens to completely destabilize this advertising tactic. The record companies, which are really big advertisers, will not be happy about this loss of control.

Record companies have been dealing with this loss of control for almost a decade and are continuing to adapt. It's physical product retailers who have more of an issue as they are the ones dependent upon the street date to make their money, which is why so many have gone out of business.

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959555)

It's not fickle, it just can't be quantified. If it can't be quantified, it can't be monitized, if it can't be monitized, you'll have everyone who makes even a penny off of advertising sales paying for studies that show that word of mouth is just like stealing.

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958575)

Perhaps it's just that people hearing the full album realise it's shit. I wonder if albums sales would decrease even further if radio stations played the full track-listing before the CD was available to buy.

I'm not much on psych (I think it is clear from my posting history that I am not a people person) but the news articles which might seem contradictory have already told this tale. People who download mp3s do buy more music than people who don't. They don't buy the same music. At the same time, it's clear that many people both a) don't want to have to worry about music expiring and yet b) are tired of buying CDs. I just had to explain this whole WMA DRM thing to my lady over the issue of some library audiobooks that she thought she could listen to at her leisure (nope.)

Giving people what they want is the key to having customers. Being able to do it at a profit is the key to making money. The music industry has basically controlled what the masses want to listen to ever since the birth of commercial radio. Suddenly there is a new medium for media delivery which allows people to find out for themselves what they want and this has all the major corporate media producers scared shitless. That's what net neutrality is about, that's why companies like Verizon and AT&T want to control the entire network from end to end. When they can no longer tell you what to think (or at least, are just one voice of many) then you're going to stop buying their crap. If they can stop you from using the network connection you paid for in any way that they don't authorize, or at least marginalize any use of which they do not approve, then your mind belongs to them. That's why I get that creepy "big brother is watching" feeling when I see an Oscars Recap [slashdot.org] on the front page of slashdot. It's just another tendril of the media conglomerate reaching out to... touch me. In my private zone :(

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 5 years ago | (#26966279)

...Oscars Recap on the front page...

Certainly is lowbrow stuff. Definitely belongs in idle. What's happening to Slashdot front page today is very comparable to the commercialization and degradation of FM radio in the early/middle seventies. Thank goodness the comments and journals make up for it.

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (1)

ion.simon.c (1183967) | more than 5 years ago | (#26966993)

Thank goodness the comments and journals make up for it.

</sarcasm>?

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (1)

rebelcontent (1484877) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959217)

Perhaps it's just that people hearing the full album realise it's shit. I wonder if albums sales would decrease even further if radio stations played the full track-listing before the CD was available to buy.

There have been "Hear it before you can buy it" and "Win it before you can buy it" campaigns on radio for many years. This has extended to full album previews through Last.FM, imeem, MySpaceMusic, iLike, etc. Even when the music isn't great, some fans are still going to buy it because they are just that, fanatics.

Re:Having heard it, I promise you (2, Funny)

hollywoodb (809541) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958563)

that 8000 people hearing it, have guaranteed 8000 no-sales.

It's terrible.

Well kudos to U2 for consistency then.

poor victims of their own creation (5, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958017)

The poor music industry, I feel so sorry for it. For years and years they have driven the marketing machine so that everyone absolutely must get the album on the day it's out, or as soon as possible. Mostly due to the way the charts are calculated by sales peaks, but also because everyone wants money now.

And now people can't wait for the release day anymore. Geez. Who would have guessed?

Re:poor victims of their own creation (2, Informative)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958111)

anymore? I can assure that before the Internet, the music industry had the same "leaked albums" problem. Only they were combating street vendors in NYC, not some random torrent seeders.

Re:poor victims of their own creation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958839)

It already has been released in Australia ya dufus. The whole article is junk.

Re:poor victims of their own creation (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959861)

Magic the Gathering expansion sets have the same situation...a fixed release date, the manufacturer hypes the product to high heaven, and are surprised when people rush.

Trading cards are a physical-only product that can be controlled better than music products, but the concepts seems similar.

Though, although the physical cards don't end up freely distributed until it's "time", MTG forums are filled with photo & text spoilers in the weeks leading up to release...

But the main question is... (4, Funny)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958039)

Has the record industry found what it's looking for?

Re:But the main question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26962415)

Jesus?

My complaint about U2 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958069)

When I began writing this letter, I had the notion that I would write about something positive and optimistic instead of going on about how vexatious U2 is. Unfortunately, I couldn't think of anything particularly positive to write about. So, instead, I'll just tell you that U2's little schemes are bound to fail. Before I launch into my rant, permit me the prelude caveat that some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, I am rather disturbed by U2's internecine attitude that we should love things and use people instead of the other way around. As an interesting experiment, try to point this out to it. (You might want to don safety equipment first.) I think you'll find that some people have said that within the deleterious milieu of corporatism exists the opportunity for U2 to cause riots in the streets. Maybe. But I'm more inclined to believe that the key to U2's soul is its longing for the effortless, irresponsible, automatic consciousness of an animal. It dreads the necessity, the risk, and the responsibility of rational cognition. As a result, U2's exegeses are a logical absurdity, a series of deductions from a premise that has been denied. Speaking of absurdities, U2 thinks it's good that its metanarratives break down traditional values. It is difficult to know how to respond to such monumentally misplaced values, but let's try this: I have a plan to work beyond the predatory plasticity of its campaigns of malice and malignity. I call this plan "Operation pronounce the truth and renounce the lies". (Granted, I need a shorter, catchier name but that one will do for now.) My plan's underlying motif is that it is not news that larrikinism appears to have triumphed. What speaks volumes, though, is that I've never bothered it. Yet it wants to paralyze any serious or firm decision and thereby become responsible for the weak and half-hearted execution of even the most necessary measures. Whatever happened to "live and let live"?

We must learn to celebrate our diversity, not because it is the politically correct thing to do but because its thesis is that it never engages in damnable, inconsiderate, or hideous politics. That's totally stroppy, you say? Good; that means you're finally catching on. The next step is to observe that you should not ask, "Why can't U2 value a diversity of approaches without needing to rank them as better and worse?", but rather, "What will be the outcome of U2's quest for world hegemony?". The latter question is the better one to ask because I didn't want to talk about this. I really didn't. But U2 has stated that 75 million years ago, a galactic tyrant named Xenu solved the overpopulation problem of his 76-planet federation by transporting the excess people to Earth, chaining them to volcanoes, and dropping H-bombs on them. That's just pure sensationalism. Well, in U2's case, it might be pure ignorance, seeing that while we do nothing, those who achieve total world domination are gloating and smirking. And they will keep on gloating and smirking until we identify, challenge, defy, disrupt, and, finally, destroy the institutions that focus too much on one side of the equation and not enough on the broader perspective of things.

U2's comment that embracing a system of barbarism will make everything right with the world is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. Not only did all of us misfortunate enough to have to listen to it make that comment become dumber as a result but I allege that a lot more people now understand why I suspect that if you're the type who dares to think for yourself, then you've probably already determined that I intend to look closely at U2's views to see what makes them so effectual at breaking down our communities. I should expect to find--this is a guess that I currently lack sufficient knowledge to verify--that you don't have to say anything specifically about U2 for it to start attacking you. All you have to do is dare to imply that we should embrace the cause of self-determination and recognize the leading role and clearer understanding of those people for whom the quintessential struggle is an encompassing liberation movement against the totality of solipsism.

Let's face it: U2's empty-headed, tactless game of chess--the feral chess of mandarinism--has continued for far too long. It's time to checkmate this bleeding-heart poltroon and show it that it is not the only one who needs to reassess its assumptions. Think about adversarial blood-stained criminals. They too should realize that I know more about vigilantism than most people. You might even say that I'm an expert on the subject. I can therefore state with confidence that U2 likes thinking thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's why it believes that we should be grateful for the precious freedom to be robbed and kicked in the face by such a noble creature as it. Sorry, but I have to call foul on that one.

Given U2's current mind-set, U2 doesn't give a tinker's damn about any of us. And that's why I'm writing this letter; this is my manifesto, if you will, on how to point out the glaring contradiction between its idealized view of metagrobolism and reality. There's no way I can do that alone, and there's no way I can do it without first stating that I can't possibly believe its claim that its tracts will spread enlightenment to the masses, nurture democracy, reestablish the bonds of community, bring us closer to God, and generally work to the betterment of Man and society. If someone can convince me otherwise, I'll eat my hat. Heck, I'll eat a whole closetful of hats. That's a pretty safe bet because even if one is opposed to parasitic alcoholism (and I am), then surely, everyone ought to read my award-winning essay, "The Naked Aggression of U2". In it, I chronicle all of U2's proposed social programs from the silly to the vile and conclude that U2 says that it can convince criminals to fill out an application form before committing a crime. This is at best wrong. At worst, it is a lie.

Where does the line get drawn? There are few certainties in life. I have counted only three: death, taxes, and U2 announcing some lascivious thing every few weeks. I could make a long argument for the idea that U2's public virtue is dwarfed by its private vice. There are different ways of reconciling oneself to this unpleasant, yet doubtlessly vengeful, fact. Some people see nothing at all, or rather, want to see nothing. Others are perfectly well aware of the disorganized consequences which this plague must and will some day induce, but only shrug their shoulders, convinced that nothing can be done, so the only thing to do is to leave things alone.

Indeed, if I wanted to brainwash and manipulate a large segment of the population, I would convince them that censorship could benefit us. In fact, that's exactly what U2 does as part of its quest to fleece us. Since I have promised to be candid, I will tell you candidly that my love for people necessitates that I make the world safe for democracy. Yes, I face opposition from U2. However, this is not a reason to quit but to strive harder.

In retrospect, U2 has always been more mentally deficient than most hotheaded, anti-democratic tossers. Anyone who thinks that U2's fulminations won't be used for political retribution has never been hauled before a tribunal and accused of priggism. Stated differently, we mustn't be content to patch and darn, to piece and cobble at the worn and rotten fabric of its fatuitous screeds. Instead we must investigate U2's nerdy, brassbound principles, ideals, and objectives. U2's taradiddles are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, this makes me fearful that I might someday find myself in the crosshairs of U2's irritating, bumptious overgeneralizations. (To be honest, though, it wouldn't be the first time.) Am I angry? You bet. In asserting that "the truth", "the whole truth", and "nothing but the truth" are three different things, U2 demonstrates an astounding narrowness of vision.

In light of what I just stated, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that U2 is careless with data, makes all sorts of causal interpretations of things without any real justification, has a way of combining disparate ideas that don't seem to hang together, seems to show a sort of pride in its own biases, gets into all sorts of amateurish speculation, and then makes no effort to test out its speculations--and that's just the short list! I once managed to get U2 to agree that its expositors don't want to make their own decisions but want U2 to do their thinking for them. Unfortunately, a few minutes later, U2 did a volte-face and denied that it had ever said that. For U2's unpleasant plans to succeed, it needs to dumb down our society. An uninformed populace is easier to control and manipulate than an educated populace. Eventually, schoolchildren will stop being required to learn the meanings of words like "anthropomorphical" and "stereophotogrammetry". They will be incapable of comprehending that U2 should think about how its op-ed pieces lead shabby, salacious paper-pushers to replace love and understanding with communism and pessimism. If U2 doesn't want to think that hard, perhaps it should just keep quiet.

Ignorance is bliss. This may be why U2's hirelings are generally all smiles. Although I can find only circumstantial evidence of misconduct and rule violations, I have absolutely no idea why U2 makes such a big fuss over militarism. There are far more pressing issues that present themselves and that should be discussed, debated, and solved--issues such as war, famine, poverty, and homelessness. There is also the lesser issue that when I hear U2 say that it is beyond reproach, I have to wonder about it. Is it thoroughly pigheaded? Is it simply being distasteful? Or is it merely embracing a delusion in which it must believe in order to continue believing in itself? This can be answered most easily by stating that I wonder if U2 really believes the things it says. It knows they're not true, doesn't it? Any honest person who takes the time to think about that question will be forced to conclude that there are some basic biological realities of the world in which we live. These realities are doubtless regrettable, but they are unalterable. If U2 finds them intolerable and unthinkable, the only thing that I can suggest is that it try to flag down a flying saucer and take passage for some other solar system, possibly one in which the residents are oblivious to the fact that U2 and its dupes are the worst sorts of picayunish, insecure carpers there are. This is not set down in complaint against them, but merely as analysis. After having read this, you may think that U2 reminds me of the thief who cries "Stop, thief!" to distract attention from his thievery. Nevertheless, you should always remember that juxtaposed to this is the idea that U2 is so nutty, I could live lower than dirt.

Re:My complaint about U2 (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958549)

This reads like someone copy-pasted text from an infamous website and replaced "Time Cube" with "U2".

I still think "Negativland" is U2's best album (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958081)

I still think "Negativland" is U2's best album. I actually paid for it too.

Re:I still think "Negativland" is U2's best album (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958399)

I still think "Negativland" is U2's best album. I actually paid for it too.

Sadly SST Records had to pay for it too.

In Soviet Music Industries... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958089)

...technology owns YOU!

pah (0, Troll)

Xargle (165143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958113)

"leak" is the right term, escaping like a trickle of urine down bono's juddery stack heeled old geezer leg.

Legal way to get the album source of leak! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958145)

Universal Australia accidentally released the album for sale for a period of two hours [eonline.com] , 2 weeks before the planned release date. That is how the album was leaked in the first place

Many fans, including U2 Blogs, made accounts with Universal Australia and bought the tracks within that two hours for about $20. UMG can't just sell people MP3s for $20 and ask for them back- sale done, game over.

Re:Legal way to get the album source of leak! (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 5 years ago | (#26966325)

UMG can't just sell people MP3s for $20 and ask for them back- sale done, game over.

Don't be too sure about that [slashdot.org] .

Bah - just canceled my last.fm account... (0, Troll)

tyroneking (258793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958187)

... should have done it at the CBS buy-out but I got lazy.
Last.fm has denied the rumour, but really, reality check time... a pig in a skirt is still a pig, even if you f**k it some of the time...
How I will miss recommending totally inappropriate drum and bass tracks to my French classical music loving friend ("you have the music tastes of a 15 year old") and weird novelty songs to my sensible sister ("my brother is an idiot") and recording all the crap I play in Amarok on the last.fm playlist

it was not me, it was my cat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958287)

All my torrents are downloaded by my cat. I've designed a device where my cat clicks. It's not my responsability.

Will my cat be prosecuted?

Re:it was not me, it was my cat (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958417)

Let's ask a similar question. Suppose that this time, rather than clicking on a button, your cat-controlled actuator pulls the trigger of a firearm aimed at living person's head. One hopes that in this case you'd not only be unable to deny responsibility, but indeed that you'd also be prosecuted for murder.

Re:it was not me, it was my cat (1)

prozaker (1261190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26960257)

what about a device that is controlled by wind or some other uncontrolled phenomenon, where if it reaches a certain velocity or changes it's direction, it would do something.
like wind = act of god? / act of nature?

Re:it was not me, it was my cat (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 5 years ago | (#26963539)

In that case, you're still the douchebag that built said device and pointed a loaded gun at someone's head. Good luck in THAT trial.

Last.fm Official Response (5, Informative)

captainclever (568610) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958321)

Please see the official response from last.fm on our blog: http://blog.last.fm/2009/02/23/techcrunch-are-full-of-shit [blog.last.fm]

Re:Last.fm Official Response (2, Insightful)

psergiu (67614) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958779)

Please tag story as techcruncharefullofshit

Re:Last.fm Official Response (2, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958961)

I hate the fact that your post has been up for an hour and is only at +3 instead of +5. What is wrong with slashdot mods? I guess they prefer conspiracy theories to fact as long as those theories validate their biases, namely that the RIAA has infiltrated all these music sites and that everyone is giving away their names and IP addresses. The conspiratorial anti-corporatism here is worse than usual.

Re:Last.fm Official Response (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 5 years ago | (#26961243)

I hate the fact that your post has been up for an hour and is only at +3 instead of +5. What is wrong with slashdot mods? I guess they prefer conspiracy theories

Yeah, right. We all know that The Man is paying you to say that. Bad karma, dude!

Re:Last.fm Official Response (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 5 years ago | (#26961723)

We have seen the moderators, and they is us.

Re:Last.fm Official Response (3, Insightful)

waveformwafflehouse (1221950) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959109)

As an independent artist I was considering joining your service until I read this (from the lastfm.com Terms of Use):

When you upload Your Upload Information via the Website, you irrevocably grant to Last.fm, its parent, subsidiaries, affiliates, and partners, without any credit or compensation to you, a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, unrestricted, irrevocable, royalty-free and fully transferable, assignable and sub-licensable right and licence to use, reuse, modify, adapt, alter, display, archive, publish, sub-license, perform, copy, reproduce, disclose, transmit, communicate to the public, post, sell, translate, create derivative works of, distribute, make and export Your Upload Information (in whole or in part), or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, software or technology of any kind now known or developed in the future, for any purposes whatsoever including, without limitation, for advertising, marketing, publicity and promotional purposes, such as developing, manufacturing and marketing products and targeted advertisements using such Uploaded Information. You hereby waive any moral rights (or any similar rights in any jurisdiction) you may have in and to any of Your Upload Information, even if such material is altered or changed in a manner not agreeable to you.

It is a truly sad day when an artist forfeits the rights to their art with no compensation or guarantee of credit whatsoever. As your service relies on the creations of others, I recommend a Creative Commons [creativecommons.org] license. Respect the artist and they will respect you.

Re:Last.fm Official Response (2, Insightful)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959871)

From time to time, the Properties may contain functionality through which you can upload or submit information, data, software, messages, photographs, audio, video, text and other materials to, through or on the Website ("Your Upload Information")

Most of the content uploaded to last.fm beyond your playlists is stuff that becomes part of artist bios. These are a wiki. You agree to similar when you submit information to Wikipedia. ("Such a notice grants a world-wide, royalty-free license, unlimited in duration, to use that work under the conditions stated herein." from the GFDL)

Re:Last.fm Official Response (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959889)

Yeah, and let the artists decide when and how long people listen to their songs? I love last.fm because I can listen to my own radio stations without someone cramming their idea of what "good" music is down my throat like FM radio or how many times a day I can listen to a song before having to buy it. If last.fm didn't require you to give up control of that copy of your song, artists would be suing last.fm for content control and play list pushing. If you don't like your songs being listened to, then don't upload to last.fm. It's that simple. People decide what services meet their needs in listening and if you don't agree to those terms, don't upload to the service and you won't get listeners.

Re:Last.fm Official Response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26960017)

They're talking about your play history information that gets uploaded to their servers from their software while you're listening to tracks in iTunes.

This is so they can make pretty graphs of who played what track, and figure out what albums are popular this week.

ie: the entire point of their social network which revolves around music.

Re:Last.fm Official Response (1)

prozaker (1261190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26960281)

Last.fm> TRIXED!

this is why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958377)

I turned off scrobbling the moment I installed last.fm.

Who is U2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26958619)

And why should I care?

Julian Cope said it best (3, Funny)

uncle slacky (1125953) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958641)

Apparently he once said:

"I've just written a 17-verse poem entitled, "U2 - Four Heads Up One Arse".

RIAA versus "the record industry" (1)

rebelcontent (1484877) | more than 5 years ago | (#26958829)

The "record industry" did not become concerned about the U2 leak nor did it make the inquiry with Last.FM. The Recording Industry Association of America ("RIAA") did, presumably on behalf of Universal Music its largest and most powerful member. This isn't a matter of semantics. There are thousands of recording musicians in the U.S. and around the world who are not represented by the RIAA nor do they share their agenda.

Having heard the album... (1)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959029)

I think their bigger problem is not its distribution. For this album, U2 should be trying to get this crap out for free and PAY piratebay and tagoo.ru to host this rubbish and include their crappy CDs with EVERY MCDONALDS HAPPY MEAL! This is, hands down, the worst U2 album ever! It is absolutely uninspiring and pitiful - you can definitely tell that this is just an attempt to make money - they are not even trying, there isnt a shred of their prior talent in it. This album to music is what Velveeta cheese is to cheeses - it is pasteurized and devoid of flavor and texture. U2 is DEAD.

Re:Having heard the album... (2, Informative)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#26960431)

"This album to music is what Velveeta cheese is to cheeses - it is pasteurized and devoid of flavor and texture."

Yeah, but, what else are you supposed to make cheese dip out of???

Re:Having heard the album... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26968789)

Give it a few more listens...It will grow on you.

This story is old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26959123)

it is released each time the geographically challenged one and his three mates releases something.

Simple fix for that. (2, Funny)

morghanphoenix (1070832) | more than 5 years ago | (#26959501)

When you're playing something you have no possible legal right to play, turn off the scrobbling.

Re:Simple fix for that. (1)

wakingrufus (904726) | more than 5 years ago | (#26963699)

OR play something you have the legal right to play, and change the id3 tag to something yet unreleased! That will show them!

And manwhile... (2, Interesting)

root_42 (103434) | more than 5 years ago | (#26963223)

Trent Reznor is giving away NIN's new album for free, and still making a load of money on the album through online, CD, vinyl and DVD sales. (see [1] and [2])

I say kudos to this man, and his slightly innovative, yet very successful method of distributing music. I have not yet paid for the album, but already downloaded the mp3 and flac version, and I like it! I guess I will try to buy the vinyl, if I can get it in any of the record stores here.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_inch_nails#Ghosts_I.E2.80.93IV_and_The_Slip_.282008.E2.80.93present.29 [wikipedia.org]
[2] http://www.nin.com/ [nin.com]

U2? the noise polluters? (1)

ydoc04 (1406027) | more than 5 years ago | (#26964295)

No, seriously- I don't believe there is even a real dispute here anyway. U2 does not qualify as music, so what's the debate?

Again... (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 5 years ago | (#26968717)

Please...everyone knows their plow, say that an album was stolen , the tracks are missing, or that someone has caught some download of preview snips of a song, and presto, free advertising for their new album. They have done this so many times, I am ashamed to say that U2 used to be a band I respected because they actually tried to give messages to people about what was going on in other places then our own, but I guess this economic crunch has everyone in a bind!

When will the record industry learn? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#26971189)

The "hype through radio" days are over.

Earlier, it was common practice to hand out a few promo-CDs to DJs (and stuff their pockets to play it) to get listeners interested, though you could buy the disc nowhere. Then after weeks or even months of anxious waiting you could FINALLY get it, and lo and behold, no matter how crappy, it went from zero to top instantly because the hype around it was all it took for everyone to JUST WANT IT.

Now guess how well this kind of hype works in a world where it is trivial to distribute any kind of data (i.e. also music) instantly globally?

Release the damn CD when it's done. When you rely on hype DJs, you open yourself to this kind of problem. Stop dangling the CDs in front of your potential customers and tease them "Naaaah, you cannah get it yet, gotta wait, gotta wait...". We're not kids, you're not Santa Claus and the release date ain't Christmas. We're customers, you are vendors, sell it or we'll take it!

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