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How To Be A Geek Goddess

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the Ramia-goddess-of-corn-chips-power-strips-and-motherboards dept.

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stoolpigeon writes "The geek world is dominated by those of the male persuasion. For those of us working in a technology related field, or who spend a considerable amount of time pursuing high tech leisure, we usually find women to be in the minority. I've seen considerable discussion over the years on how to change this imbalance but I think it is safe to say that right now that it remains. Many women are interested in using technology, they just don't want to dive in to quite the same depth. Or they may not be interested in the way most men approach it. Columnist and tech-writer Christina Tynan-Wood has attempted to come to their rescue with her book How To Be A Geek Goddess." Read below for the rest of JR's review.I have to say that the title misled me. I picked this book up thinking that it would be perfect for my wife. I wouldn't call her a geek, she doesn't have the same passion for working with tech stuff that I have. But she is knowledgeable and knows quite a bit more about IT than many of my guy friends. She is very comfortable working with vi and has written a decent amount of C over the years for various embedded shops. Unfortunately she found the book to be overly basic and wasn't too interested. This book is about becoming conversant in the very basics, explained with an attempt to frame everything in terms of a woman's perspective. So if you are a woman who is already very comfortable in the IT space, or if you are thinking of buying this for someone like that, you may want to dig through a copy and see if it will be useful. My guess is that it wont.

The other group that may still find this book to be useful, but to a lesser degree than they may like is anyone using any operating system other than windows. The first chapter, which discusses how to purchase a computer frames the operating systems question as "Apple or Windows?" There is no mention of any other option. As far as the options given, the author lands pretty firmly on the side of Microsoft and so when platform plays a role in topics covered later in the book it is pretty much from a Windows perspective. There are plenty of topics covered that are not really OS dependent, such as anything web related (which is a lot of the book) or the non-computer sections covering hardware like digital cameras, monitors and PDAs.

Someone who is an avid computer user and die hard fan of Linux or Apple systems may look at what I've just said and decide that this book is completely useless. And for them that is going to pretty much be the case. That leaves the question of who could use this book. It is quite possible that this could be an absolute God-send to someone who is just about computer illiterate and quite content to stay on the dominant platform of the day. By extension this could become a useful tool for the true Geek that wants off the support treadmill.

There are probably some out there who are really tired of answering questions about what type of PC to buy. Or having to drop by a relative or friend's house to set up wireless or the new printer. It could even be worse, being dragged into Frys Electronics or Best Buy and participating in purchasing a new Vista machine. The solution to busting out of that cycle could be handing over a copy of this book, and if it brings true freedom it could be worth every penny.

The topics covered in the book are dressed up in analogies to what may be considered more traditional female fare. If you find this to be bothersome, don't blame me, I'm just the messenger. Tynan-Wood discusses for instance, building a software "wardrobe." And I'd like to note that within the Windows space she does offer up many free (as in speech and beer) applications including the likes of The Gimp, Pidgin and Audacity. Tech accessories are handled in a section on "The Lust for Luxury Gear". Setting up a new system and getting things dialed in is part of the "housebreaking" process. In fact if you've ever flipped through an issue of Cosmo or Vogue, you should have a decent idea of the tone and style of discourse in this book.

All of the basics are covered including setting up a home network and how to set up proper security. Each section gives basic and practical advice on making decisions on hardware and software, almost always offering multiple options. And while the packaging is different than anything I've ever seen in a tech book, the underlying information is the same. Someone who reads this through will come away knowing the difference between adware, spyware and viruses as well as what a botnet is.

Dispersed amongst the regular text, which is accompanied by many black and white illustrations, are little "Dear Abby" type questions and their accompanying response. These give a good insight into the level of reader the book aims to help. One question answered is the following, "When my sister-in-law emails me files, the filenames always have three letters at the end that mean nothing to me. Files on my own computer don't seem to have them, so I thought it was one of her crazy systems. I deleted the letters and gave the files names I liked. Oops. You are probably laughing at me because I obviously did something stupid. Now my computer can't open any of those files. It gave me a good excuse not to read her novel or look at 2,000 blurry vacation photos but what did I do wrong?" The answer goes on to explain file types, extensions and some basics on managing them in windows.

Along with covering how to purchase and set up hardware the book covers the same for software. There is also information on security, not just local but also how to think about safely navigating the web and what is available there. The last two sections cover the social web and relationships on line, with everything from dating sites to cyber sex. There is also an entire section on watching over children and helping them to use computers safely.

The information is accurate and covers the basics very well, within the parameters I've described above. For the proverbial grandmother or mom at home, this book is probably going to give them all they need and probably just a touch more than they may want. I guess that is the bottom line. I think this book will give a novice a strong sense of confidence and independence. I am sure there are women out there who don't want to rely on anyone else to help them with computer issues but they don't want to really dig deep into highly technical information. This may be exactly what they need.

On the other hand, and I guess this comes from my more cynical side, I've dealt with plenty of men and women who don't know much about computers and they don't want to know. They seem to revel in their ignorance and are quite happy to just rely on others to keep things working for them. Unfortunately I am unaware of any way to make them read this or to make the information their own. Reading books to learn tends to fall into a geek category of its own. Until there actually is a series on this in Cosmo or they find a way to fit into American Idol or something, there will still probably be those who call on us to take care of their gear.

All that said, sometimes I forget that I'm a statistical anomaly. Most people don't run Linux, or OS X for that matter. Even more could care less about why they difference between ogg and mp3. For that mass of folks out there, especially the women, this may be the only computer book they ever find interesting. Someone like that would probably rate it a ten. I found the focus too narrow and the title set up expectations I didn't think it met so I've knocked it down to seven.

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349 comments

Simple (4, Funny)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984197)

1. Be a woman. 2. ?????? 3. Profit!

Re:Simple (1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984255)

  1. Don't call yourself a geek,
  2. act clever and practical instead
  3. wash 2 times daily
  4. exercise daily
  5. focus on reality
  6. avoid web2 shits like plague

Re:Simple (1, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984577)

See my journals [slashdot.org] (NSFW) for 2. Actually you probably don't have to, you can guess from the "NSFW" considering what 3 is.

Re:Simple (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984793)

1. Be a woman. 2. ?????? 3. Profit!

2. Put out.

Re:Simple (0, Troll)

tritonman (998572) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984817)

2. be less than 800 pounds

Well, duh. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984213)

All that said, sometimes I forget that I'm a statistical anomaly. Most people don't run Linux, or OS X for that matter. Even more could care less about why they difference between ogg and mp3. For that mass of folks out there, especially the women, this may be the only computer book they ever find interesting. Someone like that would probably rate it a ten. I found the focus too narrow and the title set up expectations I didn't think it met so I've knocked it down to seven.

I think it's safe to say that you're not the book's target audience.

For one thing, I'm assuming you're male.

Re:Well, duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984319)

Also, his wife uses vi? I mean, come on, even emacs-nerds wish they used vi. Does she need to dream about quines? Why the hell does she need to be any more of a geek?

Re:Well, duh. (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984617)

Why does she need to convince people she's a geek?

Re:Well, duh. (2, Interesting)

Kabuthunk (972557) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984663)

Because (keep in mind this primarily isn't the mindset of the Slashdot crowd, but of the general society as a whole) girls aren't nerds. Girls play with girly things and do girly stuff in a girly way. If a girl is seen anywhere non-girly, said general society will think "silly girl, that's for boys".

God knows I've had coworkers in tech support that had to deal with that mindset every friggin' day. She ended up just telling them to call back and disconnecting the call if they absolutely refused to have a *gasp* girl help them with a computer problem.

Re:Well, duh. (5, Insightful)

TobyWong (168498) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984937)

I've always found it puzzling how a group of people (geeks/nerds) who have traditionally been given such a hard time as a kid growing up (picked on at school, picked last for the kickball team, etc) seem to be almost universally intolerant to women within the geek domain. It seems almost counter intuitive. If you have felt the pain of ostracization and lack of acceptance why turn around and inflict it on others? Is it a simple lack of social skills? Regressing to playground "pull the hair of the girl you like" behaviour? I don't get it.

Re:Well, duh. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985049)

"If you have felt the pain of ostracization and lack of acceptance why turn around and inflict it on others?"

It's the same reason 70% of black people voted for Proposition 8 in California, after dealing with segregation and anti-miscegenation themselves: intolerance only breeds further intolerance. It's a sad fact of life.

Re:Well, duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985281)

If you have felt the pain of ostracization and lack of acceptance why turn around and inflict it on others?

Wow, what a breakthrough. Excuse me, Joe Domestic-Violence Sixpack, why is it that since you were abused by your parents you know how much damage it does, you insist on abusing your own kids in turn? Don't you realize that the hurt they feel will never take yours away? Don't you realize that they will become the same monster you are? Surely you can apply some rational thought to this situation and realize that you hold the key to stopping the chain of abuse! Surely!

It's just simple human nature, after being scorned nothing feels as good as exercising your ability to scorn others, it makes you feel like you have a place other than "the bottom". It sucks, and it would be nice if the world wasn't built on the top of a vicious circle, but it is what it is. I think of it this way: as long as I'm not a wife beater, it will be that much easier to get a job with a world full of people that are (domestic violence is a felony in most cases.) How's that for a silver lining?

Yours truly,
Anonymous (and extremely insensitive) Coward

Re:Well, duh. (4, Insightful)

omris (1211900) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985267)

I thought the IT guy was going to cry for joy when he saw that not only had I brought my own computer for the new lab, but I had managed to set it up by myself and was reading Slashdot when he came to turn on my phone jack.

It makes me sad. I am not a computer geek. Not even a little. Why is it that having a uterus somehow means you can't do VERY BASIC THINGS?

Re:Well, duh. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984391)

He thought the title was

"How to get a geek goddess"

No wonder he was a bit disappointed :-)

Also, how can you not expect to be disappointed by a book titled "how to be "?

Re:Well, duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984563)

Did you notice the icons they used on the cover artwork to represent a woman's fun parts?

a. A LP Record (with a circular area in the center)& what appears to be some kind of stamp (with a round earbud at the tip)

b. A laptop computer, spread wide open to reveal the warm screen and keyboard.

If I wasn't so turned on, I'd be a bit offended by it.

How to write a title that gets attention. (4, Insightful)

olddotter (638430) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984215)

I think she passed that class with flying colors.

Re:How to write a title that gets attention. (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984251)

The "goddess" part of course defeats the whole damn point.

This thread is useless without pics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984333)

Tits or GTFO!

Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984469)

I LOL'd heartily.

Re:This thread is useless without pics (2, Funny)

jornak (1377831) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984489)

This post is relevant to my interests.

Re:How to write a title that gets attention. (2, Insightful)

tulcod (1056476) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984413)

Well, unfortunately, that goes for a lot of books.

However, I indeed expected a bit more, reading the book's title. But I guess you can't really tell someone to become a geek, just like you can't just tell a scientist to become a christian/muslim/pastafarian.

Re:How to write a title that gets attention. (2, Interesting)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984561)

I think when all of us read the title, we imagined Abby from NCIS. [wikipedia.org] Upon discovering what the book was really about, we were disappointed.

Re:How to write a title that gets attention. (2, Insightful)

Hybrid-brain (1478551) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985255)

I think when all of us read the title, we imagined Abby from NCIS. [wikipedia.org] Upon discovering what the book was really about, we were disappointed.

I think most geek/nerd guys dream date would be Abby. Present company excluded. She's a great woman..........just slightly hyper.

This is sort of ridiculous (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984217)

It has been proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN that women do not have the proper brain structures to be able to comprehend this kind of thing.

Raising children? Yes. Nurturing plants? Yes. FIGURING OUT AN ALGORITHM? Ha.

And yes, there are some who can. They are genetic mutations, much like Taco's "floppy hoagie".

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (0, Offtopic)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984277)

...from "Anonymous Coward". Big surprise.

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984361)

Yes, big surprise that in our current "fear of feminist reprisal" society, whistleblowers fear for their lives.

If you are a married man, roc97007, you know exactly what I am talking about. Rise up.

If you are a woman, go suck on a tailpipe. Cunt.

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (-1, Troll)

LavosPhoenix (743501) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984369)

No, it's pretty much true. Most women do not use logic or reasoning. They can't even manage money properly. I for one do not want the vast majority of women to be programmers that would be working on anything of mine.

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (2, Insightful)

thedonger (1317951) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984729)

Ridiculous assertion. Men and women approach problems differently, but that is not too say one is better than the other. For starters, distill out the socialization aspect, and then compare. I'm sure some researcher has tried, but I have not the time to look.

I will say, however, I am often surprised by the trepidation with which women approach electronic devices. Perhaps because of a male-designed UI, or maybe learned helplessness, or it could just be that a man is more likely to push a button, pull a lever, or stick a finger in something that gives us an edge in certain areas. I don't know...

One more thing - being good with money has nothing to do with gender. In fact, I would lean towards women being more fiscally responsible.

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (3, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985083)

I will say, however, I am often surprised by the trepidation with which women approach electronic devices. This is entirely learned cultural behavior. It has nothing to do with inherent gender differences. My daughter doesn't hesitate at all to click everywhere or push every button to find out what they do, and is very good and finding new ways of locking up Windows apps. It is just like the local skate board park; boys are encouraged to take risks, while girls are encouraged to be more cautious because from the standpoint of propagation of the species, males are more expendable than females. As far as being good with money, again, that is learned, not innate behavior. My wife is an absolute idiot when it comes to technical issues, but because she grew up in a culture where haggling was a way of life, she is much better at financial negotiations than I am, and I have learned to just shut up and let her do her thing (at times, it is quite entertaining to watch her deal with experienced salespeople). Also, masculine and feminine traits are not binary differences; they are a continuum. There is enough variation within the genders that some women do take a much more "masculine" approach to problems than some men. This would be much more so if boys and girls didn't receive such different cultural indoctrination. Sadly enough, despite my best efforts to provide a gender-neutral upbringing, although my daughter enjoys playing with trucks, climbing trees, and wants to play hockey as much as play with dolls, her favorite color is pink and she really enjoys dressing up in fancy dresses and wearing makeup. And had 3 "boyfriends" in first grade. Sigh...

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (2, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984885)

No, it's pretty much true. Most women do not use logic or reasoning. They can't even manage money properly. I for one do not want the vast majority of women to be programmers that would be working on anything of mine.

Looking at your comments page [slashdot.org] (out of vague curiosity to see if you're a genuine troll or just an ordinary user saying something vaguely trollish), I notice that this is your second comment. Your only other comment was made way back in June 2005.

WTF? You came back after three years to say that? Or did the original owner, realising that despite its relatively high number it was more desirable than a new seven-digit account and flog it to you on eBay for $3.27?

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985047)

Looking at your comments page [slashdot.org] (out of vague curiosity to see if you're a genuine troll or just an ordinary user saying something vaguely trollish), I notice that this is your second comment. Your only other comment was made way back in June 2005.

The "strong, silent" type, evidently.

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984957)

Yeah, because Manjew Bankers have done a wonderful job with managing our money.

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (1)

LUH 3418 (1429407) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984589)

I'm a grad student in computer science at a prominent Canadian university, and so far, two of my supervisors were women. Almost half of the profs here are women, and they're all quite competent. They probably know much more than you ever will about algorithms...

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984631)

And so far, how successful has your blatant ass-kissing been at getting you into their pants? Not very, I am guessing.

But good luck anyway! PROTIP: Try to peel your lips off your mammy's teat at some point during your life. Trust me, it opens up all sorts of avenues for you.

Re:This is sort of ridiculous (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984741)

You are confusing masculinity with misogyny. The two are quite different. You clearly possess the latter rather than the former.

Lengthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984241)

343 pages to say "be a geek and be a woman".

And because demand is so much higher than supply, we don't scrutinize the first point too much, or the second.

Re:Lengthy (3, Interesting)

hattig (47930) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984367)

Male geeks work on something until they fail or succeed, never saying that they're potentially failing along the way for fear of rejection from fellow geeks.

However female geeks give a running commentary of their efforts, learning and discoveries via their Blog, Facebook, Twitter and numerous other places. It's exactly the opposite, except some male geeks will jump in to guide or give the solution straight away, to gain geek cred points (but nothing sexual, ha!).

Male geeks need sites like StackOverflow where they can anonymously ask questions, and also gain geek cred points for answering other people's questions.

Re:Lengthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984953)

Ah stereotypes. Because all women act exactly the same way. Thus why there are:

A) No girls on the internet.
B) No geek girls.

Am I rite?

All or nothing i'm afraid. (5, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984259)

Many women are interested in using technology, they just don't want to dive in to quite the same depth.

When it comes to technology you have to be balls deep.

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (5, Insightful)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984411)

Many women are interested in using technology, they just don't want to dive in to quite the same depth.

When it comes to technology you have to be balls deep.

Joking aside (nice one, though), you make a very good point. That was the one part of the article that struck me regardless of gender. This is why we even have different levels of geeks (from script kiddie to Ubergeek). It's all a matter of dedication and passion.

That being said, perhaps there is a parallel between the gender dominance and the dedication and passion it takes. I'm not saying that women don't have the dedication and passion, but true Ubergeeks tend to sacrifice a lot (like a social life and even personal grooming habits to varying degrees) to get to and stay on top of their game.

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (1)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984951)

I used to think that too. Most women are not interested in technology but they could be as good at it that the most talented (male) hackers are. But there are six billion people in this world and I can't think of a single open source project headed by a female programmer. Not even seem a female patch contributor (but pseudonyms makes it hard sometimes). I have never personally met a female programmer that was above average. The best female programmers didn't even play in the same division as the good male ones. If great female hackers exist, then where the hell are they?

In professional sports, they do almost just as well as men despite obvious anatomical drawbacks. The fastest woman is only three seconds slower than the fastest person. In politics, there are just as many good/bad females as men. Same thing with art, music and science. But when it comes to technology and software development in particular, it seems like men are better.

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985297)

In professional sports, they do almost just as well as men despite obvious anatomical drawbacks.

Umm, no.

The fastest woman is only three seconds slower than the fastest person.

That's three seconds out of ten, however, which is a rather large percentage.

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (2, Insightful)

CyradisNYC (1141143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985033)

Does being at the top of the geek game seriously require the lack of a 15 minute shower or a 10 minute trip to the washer/dryer for laundry? Isn't there some sort of larger personality issue involved there?

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985167)

GTFO my /.!

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (2, Funny)

wipeMyButt (1411817) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985133)

(like a social life and even personal grooming habits to varying degrees)

Oh c'mon... most ubergeeks are willing to sacrifice WAY more than that. Hell, I don't think those are even considered sacrifices.

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984569)

You win.

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (1)

DigitalReverend (901909) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984997)

From what I understand about my ex-wife, that would be up to her chin.

Re:All or nothing i'm afraid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985117)

This kind of elitist geek sexism, in a nutshell, is why women don't pursue advanced degrees in computer science.

Geek Chic (1)

HP-UX'er (211124) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984261)

Reminds me of this classic --> http://www.geekchic.com/ [geekchic.com]

There's only two types... (-1, Flamebait)

creimer (824291) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984267)

There's the angry bitch who will rip you to shreds (Windows guru) or the smiley girl who makes you feel good about yourself (Mac guru).

Re:There's only two types... (2, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984755)

Don't forget the schizo chick who requires you to constantly tinker with her to get her to do even simple shit (Linux guru).

Re:There's only two types... (1)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984803)

You mean the girl who, once you get past her somewhat confusing exterior, is actually capable, passionate, and a friend for life?

Inconsistencies detected ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984289)

- "I wouldn't call her a geek"
- "She is very comfortable working with vi"

enough said.

Re:Inconsistencies detected ! (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984431)

I think of someone who absolutely loves technology and spends lots of time with it out of choice as a geek. My wife is an incredibly competent programmer and loves math, but she doesn't really live for it. She is very happy going nowhere near a computer for days sometimes. She's really into sports and stuff too, which is somewhat anti-geeky in my mind.
 
That said - since I wrote this review a couple weeks ago I gave the book to a neighbor who doesn't know jack about anything to do with using a computer and she really likes it.

You might be wrong (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984727)

My wife is an incredibly competent programmer and loves math, but she doesn't really live for it. She is very happy going nowhere near a computer for days sometimes. She's really into sports and stuff too, which is somewhat anti-geeky in my mind.

I'm happy going nowhere near a computer for days sometimes too. In fact I crave it sometimes. I find a camping trip to be an excellent way to reenergize. Or a few hours in my wood shop.

Does NOT make me less of a geek, though. I'll still think about interrupt handlers or virtual memory in the shower sometimes.

Geek isn't what you do with your time, IMHO. Geek is more about who you are.

Re:Inconsistencies detected ! (1)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984779)

I know what you mean -- I happen to enjoy working with very competent female programmers. (I mean real server-side programming, too, not just HTML or something. :P)

However, the vast majority of them don't seem to have any interest in computing as a science -- it just seems to be a job. Mention anything outside of that which is immediately applicable to their jobs, any most of the time they've never heard of it...

Return of the Jedi (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984291)

Tell her all she really needs is a Princess Leia slave garb costume; Every geek will drool.

why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (1)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984303)

With the exception of appealing to a potential silicon valley soon to be millionaire why would a woman desire to appeal to a geeks nature ?

I'm gonna get so killed for this, but one of the reason geeks are geeks is because there social ineptness allows for incredible amounts of free time to work on stuff like Linux ? or hacking my iPhone.

Re:why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (5, Funny)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984341)

Three words:
Low. Hanging. Fruit.

Re:why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984795)

Three words:
Low. Hanging. Fruit.

Indeed, my fruit does hang very low.
Thank you for noticing.

Re:why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (5, Funny)

kyoorius (16808) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984901)

That's right.

"The odds are good, but the goods are odd."

                  ~ said by girls in engineering schools.

Re:why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (4, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985125)

Three words:
Low. Hanging. Fruit.

Reminds me of the old Richard Pryor joke about two brothers walking across a long span of railroad bridge. Towards the middle one of them decides he has to take a piss and can't wait until he makes it to the other side. He says he's going to piss and his friend says what the hell and unzips too. "Water's cold," the first says to the second. "Yeah. Deep, too."

Re:why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984439)

allows for incredible amounts of free time to work on stuff like Linux ? or hacking my iPhone.

I see where you're going with this. You're trying to get one of the /. geeks to hack your phone for you. Well-played young man well-played.

Re:why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (1)

dr0n3 (47107) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984657)

I think you have it backwards - the types of interests that appeal to the geek crowd don't typically lend themselves to a lot of social interaction, as opposed to say group sports - hence the social ineptness. Essentially the lack of social skills is due lack of practice...some people are better at it than others, but it's not completely an innate ability....it can be learned.

Re:why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (1)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984843)

Oh yea. When it comes to socializing, us geeks are terrible because we can't relate on the intellectual level of most people. Most people, tend to talk about nothing but sports and those people seem to look like these guys to us.

Although after getting a job and being surrounded by a few more others who are interested in technology (plus the boom in it), socializing and being a geek is a thing of the past, if not a new fad. Hell, all the kids use cell phones and play games on their cell phones now (I remember kids were considered geeks for playing handheld games). Using the internet or playing games made you a geek too, but after looking at all the online gaming communities, there are plenty of jocks/girls playing online games. Half of which aren't verbal about it, the other half will admit it if you ask them correctly.

Re:why would a woman want to be a geek goddess ?? (1)

Synn (6288) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984783)

The same reason you see some girls in male dominated sports, they like to be around areas where there's so few girls that the ones there get a lot of attention from the guys.

Be a cute girl. Go to a comic book convention. Bask in the attention.

How awful (2, Interesting)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984317)

Sounds miss-titled. Looks like it's relying on trendy, targeted marketing for sales. Possibly a bit insulting. Wouldn't buy it for anyone whose intelligence I respected.

Miss-titled (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984509)

Ha! Ha! Ha! I get it. A book about being a godess - Miss-titled. Good one!

Use Ninnle, of course! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984321)

Any geek goddess worth her salt knows of the power, security and flexibility of Ninnle Linux.

How to be a geek goddess (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984329)

Breathe

Re:How to be a geek goddess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984477)

For a /.er, you're being fairly particular when it comes to choosing women.

I can't imagine (0, Troll)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984337)

I can't imagine what of value a bunch of dirty geeks and losers who have never been laid could possibly add to this conversation. This could quite possibly be the article most irrelevant to Slashdot readers.

Geek goddess = look line one (1, Funny)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984397)

First you gotta look like goddess:
http://tynanwood.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/cw2-300x225.jpg [tynanwood.com]
She does not
Second you gotta be a geek.
She is not.

Re:Geek goddess = look line one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984665)

I wouldn't fuck that.

And my standards are pretty low.

Goddess seems to have lost it's meaning lately.

How about pretentious bitch? That seems to fit much better.

Re:Geek goddess = look line one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984785)

Who the fuck modded this banal, insulting shit 'insightful'?

Re:Geek goddess = look line one (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985205)

I don't know about her not looking like a goddess. Granted, more Athena than Aphrodite, but were she a geek her looks would not disqualify her from geek goddess-dom.

Re:Geek goddess = look line one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985221)

First you gotta look like goddess:

http://tynanwood.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/cw2-300x225.jpg [tynanwood.com]

She does not

Second you gotta be a geek.

She is not.

I think she looks like a goddess.

dt

Seven or Ten? (4, Insightful)

SpeedyDX (1014595) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984433)

For that mass of folks out there, especially the women, this may be the only computer book they ever find interesting. Someone like that would probably rate it a ten. I found the focus too narrow and the title set up expectations I didn't think it met so I've knocked it down to seven.

If you found the focus to narrow, does the book claim to cover more ground? If not, then that issue can simply be explained by the fact that you are not their targeted audience. If you think that the title set up certain expectations, it is simply a case of you judging the book by its cover. That you are not their intended audience is not any fault of the book, if they did not claim that you are their intended audience.

If you think it's a 10 for their intended audience, then rate it a 10, with the caveat that the book has a specific type of audience in mind (which you have done very well throughout the review). I just don't see why you would possibly lower its rating simply because you are not their target audience.

Re:Seven or Ten? (5, Insightful)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984605)

The intended audience seems to be non-geek girls who like being patronised and want to use Windows (but not understand it) so the title is misleading... this book will not turn you into a geek or a geek-goddess....

How to be a Greek Goddess... (5, Funny)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984499)

Well first Zeus needs to transform himself into an animal like a swan, or a bull, and then he seduces some comely greek lass (hopefully a goddess in her own right) and impregnates her, and if you're lucky then the offspring (you) will be a female and of a goddess type rather than a mere mortal. Of course, Aphrodite was born because Cronus cut off Ouranos' genitals and threw them into the sea. The genitals floated around in the sea for a long time turned into Aphrodite, so that's another way to be a greek goddess. Oh, and there's Hera who was eaten by her father because he thought one of his children would betray him. Luckily for her Rhia gave him some herbs that made him barf. I suppose that's better than the "floating genitals" method of conception though...

Oh wait... that title doesn't say greek does it? Nevermind.

Re:How to be a Greek Goddess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985053)

Curse you for stealing my joke. I'll be back, I'll be back I tell you!

Re:How to be a Greek Goddess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985081)

Damn, you got pictures or a video of all this stuff you spoke about?
I see tons of money coming from a website with greek god's porn...

I like females (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984615)

I like their boobs, and their bums, and their legs, and their cuntholes. I like females.

Anonymous Coward? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984671)

About ten years ago I halted a lecture at a major physics department to haul out a post-doc cad who was dissing a female guest lecturer. She was presenting a Nobel-replacement lecture, and this dick would not shut up. You want to attract women into science, and actually see them in the halls? Shut the fuck up, and treat them with respect. They know more than you.

The Title is Misleading (1)

Logical Zebra (1423045) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984687)

From the title, you would expect something completely different, not a wishy-washy explanation of basic computer technology.

I submit that one of the Windows for Dummies books would be better.

Missing the point? (2, Insightful)

CyradisNYC (1141143) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984689)

I question the approach of books like this. The underlying assumption here, whether or not the reviewer agrees with me, is that women will use a computer differently. But from what's described, that's not what's in this book. Most people, men and women, need the exact same things out of their computer. (Internet, word processing, basic tasks--I'm not including gaming because I think most people not slashdot readers have use a X-box/Playstation/Wii for that these days.) These same people don't want to spend a lot of time doing what's in the setup part of the book. The extra chapters on social networking and keeping children safe online are again concepts that everyone needs. Keeping that embarrassing photo of you at last year's party (LAN or not!) private is universal. I would honestly get a female friend a book that was NOT specifically geared towards women. (God help my boyfriend if he ever gives me this!) At least I would know that it would have sound advice without all the "Gee, you're female, so this must be a Brave New World for you" marketing/targeting. The debate about the lack of women in computer science/tech/geek is separate from this. The book here is meant to get women who are non-computer literate adults able to set up a wireless connection and accessing their Facebook account safely at home. There's quite simply more to being geeky than that. If women are interested something, we'll look into it--just like men do. (As a final note, I'm sure this book will sell very well--not because it's a valid idea, but because it's an easy way to look thoughtful.)

Easy (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984709)

Do your job as well as you can, and don't bring attention to the fact that you are female. They guys will know that. But bringing it up all the times makes it difficult to have a good professional relation with the other guys. Problems happened when you compensate in two ways become to passive and seem like you don't know what you are doing or too aggressive where they try to avoid you, and afraid that they will need to walk on eggshells where every decision you make needs to be second guessed. Have work with a fair amount of IT professionals who are woman, the main trick is to be professional and not put attention to you difference.

wow. the misogeny is outstanding. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984715)

not only do i find this book insulting to women, i also find the ridiculous sexism touted by many members of this site to be appalling.

i fired a few men like the lot of you, once. it was the best thing i ever did for my small firm. grow up, boys, and put your balls away. no one needs to see them.

Re:wow. the misogeny is outstanding. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985227)

Social retardation knows no bounds, particularly amongst the /. crowd. The sad truth is that most of us could do with a copy of Women for Dummies (which, suprisingly does not exist. Hmmm, maybe there's a product opportunity there)...

1. Write Women for Dummies.
2. Post review to /.
3. Profit.

Book needs a different title (1)

merchant_x (165931) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984737)

From the review it sound like it should be titled : How To Be A Geek Goddess Poser

The description makes it sound like it is for women who aren't really interested in geeky pursuits per se, but find them selves working with/forced to socialize with geek type people. it's seems like the people this book is targeted toward are only interested in the most superficial aspects of geekdom in order to try to give the appearance of fitting in with a certain type of crowd.

Typically its.... (3, Insightful)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984739)

Sit in front of the computer with webcam focused on cleavage

How to be a Geek Goddess? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26984753)

Be as skilled and skillful as a Geek God.

Just dressing like your favorite 'Matrix' character doesn't cut it for chicks, anymore than it does for male Geek wannabes.

Don't assume you'll get cred points just for trying, or talking the talk.

Yes, a lot of sychophantic and hopeful male wannabe Geek Gods will mod you up in life just for being a female, but Geeks who are clueful won't rate you as a fellow geek unless you can demonstrate equal or superior cluefulness.

And lose the black outfits and FM boots, they're so 'Hackers'; You're making yourself look like just another wannabe...

You can't try to become a geek, you just are (4, Insightful)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984815)

I don't care what gender or race you are, you can try to act like a geek, but won't ever be one if you aren't already (in which case it's not acting) - that only puts you up against people who really are geeks/nerds/tech heads/etc and shows just how much fail you really are...

Re:You can't try to become a geek, you just are (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984869)

Agreed. Any attempts to 'act geek' will seem trite by comparison to those of us who were nerdy before 'geek was chic'.

Being a geek 99% of the time means enduring some sort of social torment before you can win over the rest of the mortals with your sheer genius.

Why Care? (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984893)

I don't think we should worry about "gender imbalances" in different fields. We'd all like to think "IT" is special, but it's just another career. Let's level with ourselves here.

Plus, who wants to spend long hours at work with pizza-stained unfashionable people with poor social skills under the constant fear of being outsourced to a $3/hr PhD in Timbuktu?

Just do what you like and do it well.
       

How to be a Geek Goddess in 1 step (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 5 years ago | (#26984923)

Have a genuine passion for technology.

Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of women will naturally fail at that key point. No need to write a book that goes beyond that one requirement.

2 Words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985021)

Olivia Munn

Finally! (2, Funny)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985037)

Finally a book dedicated to pitching the female gender to the oversexed, jaded with female attention and amazingly discriminating world of geeks. Ummm, yay.

What women want (1)

DirtySouthAfrican (984664) | more than 5 years ago | (#26985063)

Many women are interested in using technology, they just don't want to dive in to quite the same depth. Or they may not be interested in the way most men approach it.

Or... and I'm going out on a limb here... many women don't want men telling them what they want. "Just don't want to dive into quite the same depth"? Dear lord.

Shocking (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26985123)

It's shocking to me that nobody in here has mentioned the fact that God has created men and women differently; each with there own set of characteristics that compliment the characteristics of the opposite sex.

Genesis 2:18 (New International Version)

  18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

Genesis 2:23-24 (New International Version)

  23 The man said,
              "This is now bone of my bones
              and flesh of my flesh;
              she shall be called 'woman, [a] '
              for she was taken out of man."

  24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

God is the ultimate uber geek; he created/invented ALL OF THIS!

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