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As a fan, I hate to say this (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26987823)

I was a huge Futurama fan when it was on TV, so it pains me greatly to say this. But if you can't do better than those terrible new DVD releases, please *DON'T* bring this show back. I don't know if they got different writers for those movies, or whether the writers they brought back just lost their edge, but those were just embarrassing. Each release has managed to be even worse than the previous one.

But if Matt Groening has proven nothing else with The Simpsons, it's that he has absolutely no understanding of the phrase "finishing while you're on top" and all-too-much understanding of "run it into the ground until it's a pathetic shadow of its former greatness."

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (4, Interesting)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 5 years ago | (#26987907)

Well actually, Beast with a Billion Backs sucked, but the rest were pretty damn good. I thought Bender's Game was completely back on form for Futurama.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (2, Insightful)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26987941)

Well actually, Beast with a Billion Backs sucked, but the rest were pretty damn good. I thought Bender's Game was completely back on form for Futurama.

This!

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (5, Funny)

n4f (1473103) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988087)

Best line in Bender's Game: Is that a hobbit over there? No, that's a hobo and a rabbit, but they're making a hobbit.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26989087)

I thought the the best line in Bender's Game was: HANG ON SCRUFFY!

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

Bashae (1250564) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988451)

I also think Bender's Game is good, it has plenty of memorable moments. I'm not saying it's better than the first seasons as a whole, but it's at least better than the less memorable episodes.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (3, Insightful)

kwalker (1383) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988639)

I have to agree. The coolest part of Beast with a Billion Backs was how it tied directly to the end of Bender's Big Score. Other than that, it's my least favorite of the three.

I'm just not sure if or how they'll recover from the Dark Matter situation (Trying to not spoil it for anyone).

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (2, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989021)

They just completely ignore it in the new movie, which is probably for the best. I don't know that a major plot thread about fuel issues would've been welcome for two movies in a row.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (3, Informative)

SpeZek (970136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989429)

They just completely ignore it in the new movie

No, now the ships are using Whale Oil, as evidenced by the fuel indicator in the Planet Express Ship.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

kwalker (1383) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989485)

Possibly, especially since its allegorical value has plummeted along with gas prices. Or they may have a character spout a one-liner to cover it. I'm just a little bit curious.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

valisol (1126095) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989303)

IAWTC. First one was awesome, second was bad, third was on par. Haven't seen the fourth/last yet.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26989359)

Bender's Big Score was sort of tedious too, but I guess some fans liked it. "Beast" had some fantastic moments too, especially the whole Bender v. Calculon storyline, but the primary story was just weird and creepy. It's a shame too, because I adore David Cross. He just should have been given a better role.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26989521)

I didn't see Bender's game, but I heard it was not very good. I also heard it was written by the same person who wrote the two worst episodes: That's Lobstertainment, and A Leela of Her Own (which were still good in my opinion)

Personally, I say bring back Futurama. Even if it's worse than it was, it's still better than most shows, and I like the show format better than DVDs.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (4, Informative)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 5 years ago | (#26987947)

You know, you might be right. But if they bring it back, I'm still gonna watch it.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (3, Interesting)

RabidMoose (746680) | more than 5 years ago | (#26987969)

I agree with you that the DVD releases have been of much lower quality than the original show. However, I'm hoping (and believe) that the movie-length format was simply wrong for the show, and they would do much better if they were allowed to return to a 20 minute format.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988913)

I'd probably disagree with the quality of the movies, but I haven't really watched them more than once. Futurama was a great 22 minute dose of comedy that I could flip on while I'm eating a big bowl of Golden Grahams. The movies are much harder to just strap in for a while...although the broken out comedy central versions made it a little better.

I'm really hoping they return to the show format...I think they still have it, they just had to do too much for the movie format.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

wgoodman (1109297) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989355)

Same thing happened with Family Guy. The movie they put out sucked really really hard. The new shows are better than that, but still worse than the original run. The nice thing about Futurama is that they still have ALL of the same people.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (2, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988065)

But if you can't do better than those terrible new DVD releases ...

Eh, I'm not going to insert my own opinion, merely point out that Beast with a Billion Backs [billboard.com] was 12th and 6th on the charts for DVD sales according to Billboard. Bender's Game was 10th for a week while Bender's Big Score was only 37th and 11th for its two weeks.

Their sales have put them on charts so while I'm not disagreeing with your assessment, someone out there enjoys them.

Honestly, the DVDs are far above 99% of what's on TV right now so ... I say bring it back--it's a great idea financially.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988235)

Justin Timberlake sells a lot more records than Caruso. That must make him a better singer, too.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (2, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988551)

Justin Timberlake sells a lot more records than Caruso. That must make him a better singer, too.

Billy Caruso? I love that guy!

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

Hordeking (1237940) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988957)

Justin Timberlake sells a lot more records than Caruso. That must make him a better singer, too.

Billy Caruso? I love that guy!

No. David Caruso.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (2, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988923)

Beast with a Billion Backs [billboard.com] was 12th and 6th on the charts for DVD sales according to Billboard.

What an odd way of saying that it was 18th.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989099)

Beast with a Billion Backs was marketed as a fairly dirty (for Futurama) DVD. There were references to tentacle porn right in the ads. I'm guessing it had a bit of crossover appeal from the people who are really into that. I imagine they were disappointed at the rather religious tone in the DVD. Benders Game was solidly aimed directly at Futurama's fanbase (nerds) so it didn't have the crossover appeal.

In my opinion (because everybody on the internet has an opinion) all three DVDs have been good, but not great. Beast was the weakest of the three, but even it had good parts.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988079)

I concur, the new material simply isn't as good. I remember watching Bender's Big Score with very high hopes, really WANTING and trying hard to like it, but in the end it just ended up being a lot of fanservice and very uninspired knee-slappers.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988111)

Well I've seen two of the movies, and I disagree a little. They weren't amazing or anything, but I would wonder if some of your disappointment was because you were expecting them to be spectacular by virtue of them being "movies". You know, when something is released as a movie, even if it's straight to DVD, you might have higher expectations than if it's just a normal show.

I watched "Bender's Big Score" and "The Beast with a Billion Backs", and I think if they had been released on TV as a bunch of "to be continued" episodes, they would have been fine-- at least passible. But even if not so, I think it may still be worth cutting them some slack. Shows like Futurama can require that the writers (and everyone else) gets into a groove, and then can build off of prior episodes in funny ways. They didn't have much time to do that.

Anyway, if they put it on the air again, I'll definitely watch it. At the very least, those people have earned another season's worth of my attention.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988187)

They were released that way. They were made to be cut up into 6 episodes each (or was it 4?) to be aired a few months later on Comedy Central.

They had their moments. "Bender's Game" had quite a few.

I agree with some of the others here that the show just doesn't work in a long format like that.

I'll watch again. Better than most stuff out there. Heck, with stuff like "Kath & Kim", old fashioned static or holding patterns are better than some of the stuff out there.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988567)

They were released that way. They were made to be cut up into 6 episodes each (or was it 4?) to be aired a few months later on Comedy Central.

Well that's what I read they were going to do, but whenever I've seen it aired on Comedy central, They're all played back-to-back. On the on-screen guide, it even shows up as a single 2 hour (or however long) block. And they aren't intermixing those episodes with their normal weekly episodes, either.

If they had waited until all the movies were released and then aired them as normal 30 minute episodes, a new one each week, over a few months as though it were a normal TV season, then I think I would have watched them differently.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988133)

Amen, brutha. Bill Watterson(creator of Calvin and Hobbes) was one of the few people who were wise and humble enough to quit while they were ahead(though in the last strips you can see signs of cynicism and repeats of old ideas...he knew what was coming).

If only Metallica or Saturday Night Live(man, how sad...) could only do the same thing. Personally, I believe that Drawn Together [wikipedia.org] should be resurrected immediately. It's going to be sad times when every show, no matter how good, will run for a few years and then quit abruptly to force DVD sales on people.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988213)

I think more American TV shows should adopt the BBC model. Do two really great seasons and then move on to another project.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989079)

But then executives couldn't milk all the cash they could without having to actually think!

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988147)

Otherwise I say they tell the executives to screw off and go direct to iTunes and then DVD.

The biggest thing that scares TV executives is a highly popular show getting traction on the internet. Honestly, there is enough rabid fandom for Futurama that they could do it iTunes only and make as much or more money than being aired on FOX again. Plus they get the side benefit of becoming a historical footnote as to what started the destruction of TV networks.

I'd buy new episodes of many shows that went away due to mentally retarded executives. Problem is I think FOX owns Futurama so they would do everything in their power to kill it before it could be a threat.

Big TV needs to die. and Die violently. Executives heads on pikes kind of violently. Those morons are trying to kill the future of media as much as possible.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (3, Insightful)

Catiline (186878) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989173)

Big TV needs to die. and Die violently. Executives heads on pikes kind of violently.

Heads on spikes is sooo 20th century. This is the 31st century... we'll dessicate them and grind their corpses into a fine pink powder.

(Rattles Can)

Torgo's Excecutive Powder, anyone?

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26989611)

to iTunes

seriously, not everyone has iTunes and not everyone worships Apple. If they go to iTunes no amount of how much I want something would ever make me get it there. Quit advertising for them and quit slobbin on Steve Job's nob.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988215)

I mostly agree with you, but I think Futurama really isn't well suited to a 90 minute movie format. I think they could be funny again if put back in the standard 30 minute TV slot. I mean think about it: how many sitcoms do you think would fare well in a 90 minute installment?

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (5, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988217)

Network President: "Greetings, gentlemen. You already know my execubots. Executive Alpha, programmed to like things it has seen before."

Executive Alpha: "Hey, hey, hey!"

Network President: "Executive Beta, programmed to roll dice to determine the fall schedule."

Executive Beta: *rolls dice* "More reality shows!"

Network President: "And Executive Gamma, programmed to underestimate middle America."

Executive Gamma: "It's funny, but is it going to get them off their tractors?"

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988273)

I think it was the movie format in general that sucked for Futurama. It was as though they crammed 45 minutes of jokes into a 90 minute movie. The snap just wasn't there. Getting back into a 22-minute box would eliminate that problem. I watched the first movie start to finish, and was a little disappointed. I waited until Beast with a Billion Backs came to comedy central, and found it to be a slightly better presentation.

Any additional Futurama is welcome.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988807)

I agree with you.

I found watching all the 3 DVD's for the full length got pretty *yawn*. However, If I watched them in a shorter format, they weren't that bad. During the whole DVD run, I was saying to myself "well, that's a Futurama joke, and that's a Futurama joke, but they're just not funny, but it's classic Futurama. Did I just grow up and it's not funny anymore?" hehe

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989479)

...they crammed 45 minutes of jokes into a 90 minute movie.

But the DVD extras! Those are completely and totally...
well they gotta be worth something.

Or maybe not. Like you I waited until they were broadcast to watch them.
I'm surprised at how negative the view of them are in this thread, I enjoyed them. It helped that I wasn't overly analytical in comparing them to some perceived ideal from the series, and that I didn't pay to watch.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988637)

As a fan, I advise you to shut the hell up. Don't like it - don't watch it. Don't call for the canceling of a show that large groups of people still enjoy, in other words, don't be a dick who thinks the universe revolves around his perception of reality.

Take a longer term perspective...It'll warm up. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988653)

I was a huge Futurama fan when it was on TV, so it pains me greatly to say this. But if you can't do better than those terrible new DVD releases, please *DON'T* bring this show back. I don't know if they got different writers for those movies, or whether the writers they brought back just lost their edge, but those were just embarrassing. Each release has managed to be even worse than the previous one.

But if Matt Groening has proven nothing else with The Simpsons, it's that he has absolutely no understanding of the phrase "finishing while you're on top" and all-too-much understanding of "run it into the ground until it's a pathetic shadow of its former greatness."

I actually like the movies quite a bit, but know sort of what you're talking about. There's definitely a bit of "trying too hard" on some of the scenes.

But you should keep in mind--it took a season for the original run to warm up. I think the wait for the episodes to become consistently great again will be far shorter this time around.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (5, Informative)

gornzilla (793897) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988787)

Matt Groening isn't the best. The Simpsons was really helped by Sam Simon (who was fired or quit) and James L. Brooks. If it wasn't for Brooks and Simon, it wouldn't have even made it to teevee.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988943)

I guess it's fashionable to hate on new things, but I loved the movies.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988975)

I think you may just have shifted tastes. The new material (Beast With a Billion Backs excepted) is excellent, and very much on par with the quality of the original show.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26989243)

But if Matt Groening has proven nothing else with The Simpsons, it's that he has absolutely no understanding of the phrase "finishing while you're on top" and all-too-much understanding of "run it into the ground until it's a pathetic shadow of its former greatness."

He fits in perfectly with Fox then.

Re:As a fan, I hate to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26989347)

"I don't know if they got different writers for those movies"

Perhaps the "written by" credits that appear on screen are some sort of clue?

I sort of agree with you about the quality though. The first and 4th movies were kinda lame. Beast with a Billion Backs wasn't too bad, and I liked Bender's Game a lot.

I think the quality suffers from the 90-minute format. When they're limited to 22 minutes they're forced to distill/focus the comedy down to its essence.

All I have to say is... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26987887)

Good news everyone!

Executive powder (2, Funny)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#26987967)

We're the executives who took the show off the air ground up into a fine powder?

And if they don't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988009)

then they can kiss my shiny metal ass!

-- Bender

Oh my god... (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988117)

Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god... *hyperventilates*

Futurama is one of the funniest and wittiest shows ever, and the movies definitely proved they still have a lot of material for at least another season or two. Besides, I think my soul will refuse to move on to the afterlife unless I see Fry score with Leela.

Re:Oh my god... (1)

OctaviusIII (969957) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988951)

But you already did! In the Tales of Interest! It was alternate reality, but your soul shouldn't care.

Re:Oh my god... (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989093)

Well, actually, it does care. My soul has a very strong sense of reality. It's like Neo - it will eventually free itself from anything that isn't real.

Re:Oh my god... (2, Informative)

wgoodman (1109297) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989507)

He also scored with her in this reality.. He just skipped past it because of the cronotron radiation.

I've downloaded 2 off of TPB and puchased 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988145)

And will likely purchase the remaining 2 sooner than later - especially if it sways the network to release a 6th season.

1 download = 1 lost sale? I think not.

Screw Fox (5, Insightful)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988209)

Seriously, screw 'em. They've wrecked one good show after another. I hope another network - any network - picks it up rather than them.

Re:Screw Fox (1)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988651)

Incompetent? Undoubtedly. But they are also the only network that takes chances on shows like Futurama in the first place. You think CBS/NBC/ABC would risk something putting as original as Futurama on the air vs. "a sitcom about a female writer living in the city"?

Re:Screw Fox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988819)

Hey, I really enjoyed Single Female Lawyer!

Re:Screw Fox (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988915)

a sitcom about a female writer living in the city

Are you talking about Sex in the City? ;)

Did I miss something? (1)

BaronHethorSamedi (970820) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988353)

Weren't there only four seasons? Or are they counting the movies as a season? (Pardon my ignorance.)

Re:Did I miss something? (1)

MajikJon (661494) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988859)

While there were only 4 production seasons of the show, Fox spread these episodes out over 5 on-air seasons. The DVD-movies which aired on Comedy Central do not properly count as a "season".

Futurama yes! Fox No! (5, Insightful)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988403)

After seeing how Fox can absolutely murder excellent shows with their weekly schedule ramdomizing game (Futurama, Firefly, etc), I'd MUCH rather see Futurama get picked up by Comedy Central, or Cartoon Network than back on Fox. Screw you Fox, you blew it.

Re:Futurama yes! Fox No! (1)

RabidMoose (746680) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988889)

[Adult Swim] will come up with the money to buy the rights to Futurama and Family Guy.
They will then begin making new episodes of Shin Chan, continue with Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Venture Brothers, and Frisky Dingo.

They will then split from Cartoon Network, starting up their own channel (HD and SD), which will be on 24 hours a day.

/fantasy time

Re:Futurama yes! Fox No! (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989001)

Plus the fact that Terminator:TSCC was just moved to Friday as a lead-in to Dollhouse, which will result in both shows dying.

Seriously, the only worse thing they could've done was put those shows on Saturday night.

Re:Futurama yes! Fox No! (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989387)

Yeah, isn't Dollhouse the second Joss Whedon show that Fox has started out in a Friday night time slot? I mean, really, if you're going to start a new show on Friday night, you may as well just title it "Cancel me".

Re:Futurama yes! Fox No! (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989565)

Joss Whedon said that with Fox pulling their usual crap for Dollhouse, combined with the success of "Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog" last year, that he will never again work with a TV network.

Re:Futurama yes! Fox No! (2, Interesting)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989049)

Cable channels dont typically have the budget for something like Futurama. Its one thing to licence reruns and produce low-quality stuff like Aqua Force and another run a show like Futurama. Right now, its Fox or nothing. Has any of the major players expressed interest? Everyone seems to shy from animation except for Fox.

Faux: canceling the shows you love (4, Insightful)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988437)

I never really understood how Faux not only greenlit so many wonderful shows but also murdered them in the cradle after barely a season. It seems too much to be coincidence, I think it must be some sort of pathology amongst their programming directors. Keen Eddie, Futurama, Firefly, Dollhouse, all axed. (Ok, might be jumping the gun on Dollhouse by a few weeks.)

There's usually a political explanation for this kind of illogical behavior where Exec #1 gets to feel like he has a bigger penis for sabotaging Exec #2's pet project. It ultimately costs the company more money than it makes but ego is served so nobody cares. It just makes me wish the inevitable decline and destruction of the company would happen sooner before they tease me with any more shows I might like.

Anyone remember that old animated show God, the Devil, and Bob? That fat fuck Jerry Falwell led a crusade against it as being blasphemous, the same way he did with the Last Temptation of Christ. Oddly enough, both examples here had a greater understanding of and sympathy for Christ's point of view than that bloviating, closet-case fucktard and all of his ass-hatted minions.

The Last Temptation one is particularly amusing because the basic premise is "How can Jesus make a sacrifice of rejecting a peaceful human life and accepting the cross if he had no desire for it? Sacrifice without desire is an empty gesture. Giving up brussel sprouts for Lent? Meaningless. Giving up chocolate? Meaningful." So the fundies all flipped out at the idea of Jesus having an erection, Jesus having amorous thoughts about women, about wanting to take a wife and raise a family. Do you idiots read your own fucking book? It says God was made flesh, he is the son of man! One follows the other! What, you gonna flip out if anyone implies Jesus must have had to take a dump or two during his time on Earth? No, Jebus can't poo! Our pitiful little minds cannot contemplate it! Blasphemy!

So the whole point of the movie was showing Jesus wanting that normal life, seeing how good it felt, knowing it could all be his, and sacrificing it for a greater purpose. And this was considered to be the most horrible cinematic sin committed since Ishtar. Stupid fucking fundies.

Re:Faux: canceling the shows you love (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988599)

Futurama ran for four seasons before Fox dropped the axe, it was a good show and deserved to continue, but it's hard to put its cancellation in the same basket as the ones fans really complain about, where Fox commissions a show and then either drops it right away before it has time to develop, or demands so many changes that it doesn't stand a chance.

It's going to be interesting to see what's done with Dollhouse. The ratings thus far have been abysmal, and the pilot was very poorly received, but most viewers seem to have been much more positive about the second episode, and that might mean it'll pick up viewers over the next few months. I wouldn't count it out right yet, and if Fox is serious about making Friday evenings a science fiction thing (rather than them just shoving two shows they're uncomfortable with to the death slot - but why commission Dollhouse in the first place?), then I could foresee them dropping T:SCC and replacing it with Futurama and some other show next season, with Dollhouse continuing to be given a chance to prove its viability.

On the other hand, if Ep 2 was a fluke, and Dollhouse is as awful as the pilot suggested, then...

Re:Faux: canceling the shows you love (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989617)

>It's going to be interesting to see what's done with Dollhouse. The ratings thus far have been abysmal, and the pilot was very poorly received, but most viewers seem to have been much more positive about the second episode, and that might mean it'll pick up viewers over the next few months.

Haven't seen it, but are you sure they actually ran the pilot? As I recall, the geniuses helped Firefly by running the first few episodes out of sequence.

Re:Faux: canceling the shows you love (1)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988613)

I agree. If the show was good enough for them to put it on, at least let it run a full season and build buzz!

Re:Faux: canceling the shows you love (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988945)

Bet you don't remember Space: Above and Beyond, do you? This antagonism that Fox has to QUALITY programming - IOW, anything that isn't distinctly mediocre and non-controversial - has been going on for a lot longer than most people even realize. I suspect it's rooted in Fox's struggle from birth as a belated network, and having to be better than the Big Three at targeting the broadest market segment possible. That meant that any show that proved too intellectual or (negatively) controversial to a median audience got axed very quickly, far too quickly for it to reach percolate up to those niche audiences. This has become an entrenched mentality. Other broadcasters aren't immune to it, but it's the persistent mindset at Fox. House is a rare exception that amazes me, though it's evolved more toward that inexorable median than I would like.

I think that the term "Bell Curve" and all those common diagrams of it are misleading of the true effect: it should be named the Bell Trough and diagrammed as a Pit of No Return, because everything on the ends tends to be sucked down toward that median, like an ant lion patiently waiting for its dinner guests to arrive.

Re:Faux: canceling the shows you love (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989101)

I thought the most potentially offensive part of The Last Temptation of Christ was the suggestion that Jesus worked as a carpenter making crosses for crucifixions. Made me laugh.

Re:Faux: canceling the shows you love (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989501)

I was thinking more like the people that go out and find good content line it up. Then it runs until the p.o.s. that owns the network watches enough of it to see it doesn't impose his world view on others then cans it but I like your version too.

Let me be the first to post about the 6th season (0)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988503)

...It's not as good as it used to be. They're raping my childhood. How come they're making so many episode with Q-Bert? Q-Bert sucks! Billy West is just calling it in. Yada, yada, yada.

Stong DVD Sales (1)

morghanphoenix (1070832) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988623)

Okay, didn't Firefly & Serenity have great DVD sales as well? Why not another season of that? Nothing against Futurama, but it's not at the top of the list of Fox killed shows I'd like to see make a comeback.

Re:Stong DVD Sales (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26988747)

Because the actors already moved on... :(

Re:Stong DVD Sales (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989203)

FIREFLY/SERENITY SPOILER ALERT!!!

Well, cause the primary motivation of the Firefly/Serenity plots was that the Alliance was after River. However, by the end of the movie, it's apparent that River is no longer a threat to the Alliance, so she's no longer a fugitive.

As much as I loved the show, the movie, and the characters, I don't think a new series based on the franchise would be possible. There's not enough motivation for non-boring plotlines involving the Serenity crew continuing to live among the Outer Planets. The best you could hope for is more episodes where the crew are guns-for-hire, like "Heart of Gold".

Re:Stong DVD Sales (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989591)

didn't Firefly & Serenity have great DVD sales as well

I cant find the reuters article that backs that up but in 2007 it was in the top 10 for a long time.

Why Fox? (3, Insightful)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988673)

Does Fox still have first-air rights? Fox loves to take the best stuff and strangle it to death. Out of order episodes, random slot times, and only a dozen episodes before cancellation is extremely common. They're the ADD child of networks.

Fox doesn't deserve Futurama; if they aren't contractually obligated to bring it back to Fox, West should sell the rights to Adult Swim or Comedy Central. Adult Swim loved showing five hours of Futurama at a time, and Comedy Central just wants more animated filler. They'll both be better homes (though my confidence in [AS] is basically nil now, they've wasted all the class and personality that once made me interested in them).

My other concern is Family Guy syndrome. Maybe it was because the show was off the air for some time, but Family Guy just isn't as good as it once was. Partly it's because they've completely changed the dynamic of every character (usually for the worst--Stewie is now more about "hiding in the closet" now than "take over the world and kill Lois"). Partly it's that the seem to rely more and more on the "like that time when" skits. While Futurama has always had a much different way to go about humor than that, it could still fall flat.

Also, I'm worried that we'll lose all the great "under the table" jokes that require at least some college education to get.

Individual episodes, please (5, Insightful)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 5 years ago | (#26988729)

If they do decide to bring back Futurama, I hope they'll go back to standalone episodes rather than movies cut up into four episodes. I don't mind an occasional "to be continued", but I find Futurama works better in half-hour chunks.

Zoidberg! (4, Insightful)

SoundGuyNoise (864550) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989107)

Because nobody else has said it yet.
Honestly, my favorite episodes are the Zoidberg-centric. Or anything Zoidberg.

I hope it doesn't come back to Fox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26989187)

These @ssholes don't deserve the show. Better to bring it back to a different network that will support it. I rember reading how the show, when orginally cancelled, had better ratings than King of the Hill, even though Fox never did any promotion, kept changing the schedule, and pretty much doing everything in their power to sabotage the ratings. The d*ckheads and Fox should all go and collectively F@ck themselves. (I hope I spelled all of that right.)

Re:I hope it doesn't come back to Fox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26989419)

Fox never did any promotion, kept changing the schedule, and pretty much doing everything in their power to sabotage the ratings.

Like sticking it in the 7pm Sunday timeslot that almost always gets at least partially preempted. When the first Futurama DVD set was announced, I remember joking that the DVDs would only have the last 10-15 minutes of each episode but first you'd have to sit through the last few minutes of some damned NFL game.

Billy West stole their jobs (0)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 5 years ago | (#26989269)

As an FYI on Billy West:

They had several other voice actors hired for Futurama, then when Billy West showed up, the producers realized his voice was so versatile that they could fire all the other staffers and have him do all the voices.

Seth
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