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Amiga Community Collaborates On Restorative Gel To Brighten Your Old Plastic

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the also-addicts-you-to-heroin dept.

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jamie pointed out an Amiga community that took a discovery of how to restore old computer plastic, super-charged it, and then opened the process to the public domain. Time to spruce up those old dusty TRS-80s in the basement. "All of the initial tests were done with a liquid and we realized that for large parts this was getting expensive, so the next stage was to make a paintable 'gel' version that could be brushed onto larger surfaces. This was tried in Arizona in the sun and the UK under a UV lamp and was found to be just as effective as the liquid. We have now released this to the public domain for anyone to use as we can't patent it and we coined the nickname 'Retr0brite' for it, as it summed up what we were actually doing with it."

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Frosty piss! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045033)

This is a frost piss post!

I had it worse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045359)

I sat naked on the bench in the health club locker room, staring at the tiles on the floor between my feet, but really looking at nothing. I was waiting for Barack to decide to come up and talk to me. He was this muscular teenage nigger who frequented the club and had ruined my life in the last few weeks. I was ordered to sit naked on the bench without a towel or anything to cover my nakedness. I had to keep my legs spread and my cock and balls visible for the anyone in the locker room who wanted a look. I knew instantly that it had been a mistake to sign up at the inner city health club which was eighty percent black, but it was near my house and cheap which was even more important.

The harassment had started on my first visit. Dark skinned, muscular black boys bouncing around the locker room with their huge dicks and pendulous sacks of balls swinging, high fiving each other and laughing and rapping, and there I was, this moderately built white guy of thirty two.

I will never forget coming back from the shower and one chocolate skinned thug of about eighteen let out a "weeeeeeeow" kind of sound and then said very loudly to me, loudly enough for all his pals to hear, "White man, how the hell can you fuck wit such a small dick?" They all roared with laughter and I turned bright red. Before I left that first time, I met Barack. He eased up to me while I was packing my gym bag. He is one good looking darkie, I will say that for him. He flashed me a big white toothed smile and said he hoped I wasn't thinking of quitting the club. He said he was friends with the manager and they had my address and shit, and it would be really unfortunate if I decided to quit. Then he laid one large basketball player sized hand on my shoulder and said that he would see me at the same time the next day.

Well, that's how it started. It got worse each time I went to the club. Barack and the other niggers got me to get towels for them, had me scrub their backs in the shower, even made me pick their dirty stinking jock straps up off the floor. They sent their filthy jocks and socks home with me to wash for them.

Now let me state here once and for all, that I am in no way at all gay. I don't think I ever even had a gay thought. So all of this really repulsed me. They would brush up against me so their big fat black dicks rubbed my body. They would make constant jokes about me being a faggot.

So I had it out with Barack. I told him I was a single parent with a thirteen year old daughter and in no way gay, and I wanted to quit the club. That mention of my daughter was the biggest mistake of my life. Barack demanded to see a photo of her. Her name is Crissy. After that, all they talked about was "Crissy the Cunt" in the locker room.

"Some fourteen year old school boy probably shoving his dick in her right now while you is at da club." They would say things like that. Barack would ask, "Do you suppose she had ever sucked black dick?" I told them she was totally innocent, and they should keep their foul mouths to themselves. They beat the shit out of me.

I didn't go to the club for a week. All the windows were broken on my car, and my newspaper was stolen, and somebody pissed all over our door. I received a package at work, and when I opened it, there was a pile of shit in a box. I was going nuts with anguish. I thought of going to the police, but I knew I would face even worse if I did. So I went back to the club. That was two months ago. A lot had happened in those two months.

Now I sat waiting for Barack to speak with me. He walked up, stark naked. The first thing I saw were his huge brown feet next to me. I looked up at his long muscular legs. How could I miss the seven inch flaccid dick, thick as a flashlight and the ball sack that looked like it had oranges in it. It was fucking obscene. His stomach was hard and tight. His ass was one of those round tight nigger bubble butts. His chest well defined with large nipples. He had a killer smile, thick nigger lips, and dark flashing eyes that often looked drugged. He had only recently gotten out of reform school for molesting a girl on the playground.

"So, my man, how's that little dick of yours hangin'?"

I spread my legs wider so he could see my pathetic shriveled white prick and small ball sack. If I didn't keep myself on display for them at all times, they would have a wet towel snapping session where my scrotum was the target. It hurt like hell and was totally humiliating.

"So, bro, is everything set up for tomorrow?" He stood close to me...so close that his huge flaccid hunk of fuck meat brushed my shoulder. His dick was so huge, it was just fucking obscene, and that was in its flaccid state. He had not showered yet, and his body reeked of the nigger stink of his workout.

"Please. Please don't do this. I know I agreed, but that was after you had beaten me almost senseless. Please, isn't there some other way?"

He lifted one leg and put his foot on the bench next to me. His gigantic balls swung back and forth in their fleshy sack.

"Dere is no other fucking way, man. You don't wanna even think of what we gonna do to you next time you disobeys us. Dere is no other way. Now it so happens dat I needs me a new girlfriend, and your pretty little daughter fills da bill."

I felt my stomach turn over. I tried to relax, to breath deeply, but I felt like I was choking. This teenage nigger thug was talking about my daughter. My little Crissy. My thirteen year old angel. He had announced to me that he wanted her to become his girlfriend! Jesus Christ!

At first I had bluntly refused, letting my anger and disgust show. All the niggers in the club gathered around me, about fifteen of them, and Barack announced that I was racially prejudiced and didn't want him dating his white daughter. They started to slap and punch me.

"It's not that. Honest to God, I swear, it's not that you are black. It's that she is only thirteen. She's my innocent baby!"

Barack roared with laughter. "Any bitch of thirteen is totally ready for dick! She probably sucking da boys at school every day anyway by now." He looked at the photo of her which he had taken from me. "Yeah, she got real cocksucker lips, she shore do!"

"Oh God no, she's just a baby." I was crying in front of all of them.

"No, daddy, you gots it wrong. She is a babe...not a baby. Dat pretty little pussy is ready for some nigger popping!" Half the niggers surrounding me were getting hard ons, and I don't there there was one under eight and a half inches.

For weeks I had argued, begged, pleaded, tried to bargain with Barack, but he only wanted one thing. My daughter's virgin pussy. Once I stood up to them and told them I would go to the police. They had dragged me naked and screaming into the health club bathroom and forced me to eat turds out of the toilet bowl. I was sick for two days. The next time I went to the club, Barack had made me suck his dick. That was the first time I saw it erect. Over twelve inches of throbbing leaking nigger cock. I had a panic attack and literally tried to run out of the club. They held me down on a bench and Barack fed me his black fuck meat. His balls almost suffocated me. His dick choked me. He even made me suck his ass. What could I do? I agreed to let them have my daughter. I know, I am an awful man. A sinner. It is unforgivable, but I am scared out of my wits.

"So, tomorrow, I comes over to yo house dressed up real good. You introduce me to yo bitch daughter. Now when I sees her, dis is how I wants her dressed. A very tight tee shirt dat says printed on it, "I Love Nigga Dick!" She will wear no bra under it so I can see the tips of her budding little titties through the material. Den she is to wear her nice pleated cheer leader skirt like in da photo, only I don want her to wear no panties under it. From now on, yo daughter is forbidden to ever wear any panties. We want dat fresh young cunt and ass ready and available at all times. I want you to have some really top drawer booze at yo house ready for me. I am not sure what I will want, so you better have enough to satisfy me, whatever my taste might be. Who da fuck knows, I may want a cosmo, or maybe some of dat Louis XIII Brandy dat costs three hundred dollars. You better have it all. After I has a drink, you pretty little bitch and I gonna sit on da couch and get acquainted. Dat means you as da daddy get to watch me finger her cunt and play wit her titties. You gets to see her meet my big fat old dick and even lick and suck it a little. I always insists on sex on da first date, cause how else you know how a bitch perform, right? Shit, I insist on sex on every date. I mean dat is da only reason for da fucking date..to plow some pussy! Right? Otherwise I'd rather hang wit da home boys. Now she gonna be a little uptight and scared at firs...right? Specially when she see my dick and she know dat huge motherfucker is gonna plow her virgin twat! Oh yea, if she got any hair on her cunt yet, you make sure she shave it all off before tomorrow. I wanna see bald thirteen year old pussy."

While he said all of this to me at the health club, his dick got thicker and thicker and long strings of pre-fuck started to hang from the fat pisshole.

"Please don't hurt her...please." I was shaking in my naked agony.

"Hurt her? No why the fuck would I hurt my new girlfriend? I gonna love her. I gonna show her da pleasures of lovemaking. Shore, it gonna hurt a little da first time I ram my twelve and a half inch motherfucking dick balls deep into her tight little teenage pussy. Shore it gonna hurt when I pounds her as hard as I can, and den pull out and shove it as hard as I can up her little asshole. Shore dat gonna hurt a little, but dat is jus' part of growin' up. A her daddy, you understand dat. Right? Better to hab some nice boy like me who wants her for his girlfriend fucking her, den every boy at school who don't give a shit about her.

"Now don't you worry, I gonna take her into the bedroom to fuck her cunt and ass. I think dat is private. I mean, you can watch da first time she suck my balls and lick my dick and such. But fucking is between a guy and his girlfriend. I wants you dere at the start...at the sucking part, cause she is gonna be scared like I say, and you can calm her. Tell her it is a natural part of life, and she just gotta learn to please a man. She, she shoulda learned dat couple of years ago already. She is a late bloomer.

Now I am gonna want to use her bedroom for da first fuck,cause I wants to fuck her little bitch body in her teenage bed, wit all her teenage shit around. It will be so hot. But den, I is moving into your master bedroom. You can sleep on da couch. I wants a nice big bed and luxury for future fucks. I gotta fuck at least three times a day, usually more. Now of course I still going to be bangin' other cunt, but I will fuck your daughter regularly cause she is my number one girlfriend. My special bitch. I ain't gonna introduce her to my bros until after I fuck her for a week or so. Den when she broken in, I gonna share her with all da boys from dis here health club. Dere about twenty of us here as you know, so she gonna be pretty busy sucking nigga dick and getting ass and cunt fucked. We gonna do mos' of it over at yo house. You have lots of food dere at all times fo my brothers when dey comes over to fuck your daughter. Since she be fucking most every day all day and night from now on, I suggest you apply to home school her. Dat way, she don't even need to think about school and she can concentrate on nigga cock all da time."

"Please, please use condoms...." I had tears running down my face.

Barack roared with laughter. "Condoms? Shit...no. We never use condoms. It ruins da fuck. Dat little bitch gonna be pregnant in a couple of weeks at mos'. You gonna be da grand daddy of a nigga chile! And who knows. She young. If she stay tight enough and cute enough, maybe we fuck her for three or four years, you know, pass her around, pimp her out. Shit, she still young enough. She could hab five or six nigga babies! We don' allow no abortions. She gonna breed. Now my brothers and daddy be comin' over lots to fuck her too, so you better have lots of keys to yo house made, or jus' leave the fucking place unlocked. She don't leave da house without permission. I would hate it for both of you if some black bro comes over for a good hard fuck, and she not dere! Now I know you worried about her. Don' be. After a few days of getting nigga dick, she gonna love it so much, dat all she gonna live for. I seen it in young white bitches lots of times. Someday she gonna thank you for all dis. I mean how many girls her age so lucky to get ten to fifteen black cocks a day? Long as her pussy and asshole hold up, she be happy. One thing, she gonna hab to be a really good cocksucker, cause One thig is dat when da boys in my hood meet up wit guys from other gangs...we got dis thing. We hab our girlfriends suck da cocks of all da members of the other gangs, as kind of a peace signal, you know, a sign dat we is kewl and everything is okay. So she gonna pretty much hab a dick in her mouth twenty-four seven for da next few months. She gonna be sucking on nigga dick even when she getting fucked by my bros. Dis house gonna be pretty packed full of black boys! Now, after a bitch has sucked fifteen to twenty dicks a day, she often get a real tired jaw and swollen lips and a sore tongue, so you gonna have to tell her no matter how tired she get, da last dick of da day she suck, gets jus' as good a suck as da first one in da morning. You gotta make sue she understand that. I can't have no bad reports from rival gangs dat my bitch can't suck!

Now we gots one more problem. Da little bitch gonna be so busy getting fucked and sucking dick, she ain't gonna hab no proper time to clean up da dicks after dey fuck her cunt and ass! You know it da bitch's job to clean a dick wit her mouth after a brother fuck her. I mean, you can't expect a brother to walk around wit pussy slime or ass juice on his dick. But she gonna be so busy, she ain't always gonna hab time to clean up, so you my friend is going to have to step up to da plate to help her. You gonna be the official dick cleaner. You gonna lick and suck da dicks clean after dey fuck yo bitch of a daughter. I want you naked on you hands and knees at all times around da house, ready to lick and suck dick clean. And you gonna do a fine job too, I just know it. You get all dat stink off da cock. Maybe you can entertain da brothers waiting next in line to fuck yo daughter too by lickig dere balls and assholes. I never thought of dat until just now. Hot damn, dat is a good idea, ain't it? So dey don't get bored while dey waitin. And den, to keep your daughter fresh and tight, after every three or four fucks, you gonna crawl in and suck the nigga cum right outta her pussy and asshole. Think how great dat is. You gonna get to suck some thirteen year old pussy and asshole! How lucky is dat? You gonna clean out her cunt real good with yo tongue so it is ready for da next nigga.

We gonna be da happiest family you ever seen! Now come on, white boy, suck my dick, can't you see it dripping all over da floor?"

I put my mouth over the head of the huge leaking hunk of fuckmeat, and resigned myself and my daughter to our new destiny.

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045039)

That's a really long way of saying that you jizzed on your Amiga.

Skin (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045071)

Does this work on human skin as well? No? Damn.

Man, the robots only cure their own disease these days. I'm starting to think they don't care about us humans anymore.

Re:Skin (1)

budgenator (254554) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045419)

Yes and it can easily cause burns on soft tissue and excess exposure is thought to be carcinogenic as well. This sounds very similar to standard tooth whitening gel many of which are light activated.

Re:Skin (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046061)

Why would you want to apply it to human skin? Are you trying somehow to cure Asian people?

Re:Skin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27046201)

Two letters enough?

M
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From the wiki (4, Insightful)

FrameRotBlues (1082971) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045081)

However, a chance discovery was made in March 2008, by The CBM Museum at Wuppertal in Germany, that immersing parts in a solution of Hydrogen Peroxide could partially reverse the process.

They accidentally immersed old plastic parts in Hydrogen Peroxide?

Sounds like a "whoops" turned into a "cool!"

Re:From the wiki (4, Insightful)

smellsofbikes (890263) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045567)

Or they were trying to bleach it and clean off all the accumulated crap, and found that it did that *and* changed the surface chemistry as well.

I used to restore old watches -- the mechanical ones. They're jammed with grease and wax that mechanics didn't put there and usually that's a large part of why they're not working. It's fairly routine to dunk something that looks like the Antikythera Mechanism into a cleaner just to get all the horribleness out.
(A note to anyone considering doing this: avoid ammonia. Those are very delicate little bits of brass. Ammonia works spectacularly well. If you leave a watch movement in there for an hour rather than just a few minutes, you'll come back to find all the wax *and* all the metal completely gone except for the steel and a few of the large pivots.)

Re:From the wiki (1)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045621)

Actually, this was discussed on amiga.org in response to -- or concurrently with, I am not sure -- the amibe and a1k threads. H2O2 was discussed as a way to make this work, and several of us tried it and were pleasantly surprised with the results. I am not convinced this was a "whoops," but the result of many many years of listening and reading. Without having read the site yet, I have to imagine there is more to the story than straight H2O2. The gel idea is really nice, as it would eliminate a "bath."

Re:From the wiki (1)

iocat (572367) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046271)

This is so great. I can finally stop buying Apple //c's on eBay now, always trying to buy a "better" model that was never exposed to UV and yellowed. I have 11 //c's at thi point... Uh, i really, really, liked the Apple //c. Thanks a million to the retro community for this!

offtopic, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045125)

is something special going on at the moment or why are all stories today getting hardly any replies?
everyone jumping ship?

Re:offtopic, but (0, Flamebait)

Ninnle Labs, LLC (1486095) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045187)

All the cool kids already left for Digg and Reddit after all the shitty idle posts kept coming to the front page.

Re:offtopic, but (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045269)

I am thinking about investing a couple million dollars into Ninnle Labs; do you guys have some kind of business plan package I could read?

Re:offtopic, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045817)

I figured all the Digg and Reddit folks are busy being sidetracked by their form of ilk - Idle. As I filter out Idle, I'm just not seeing them anymore.

Re:offtopic, but (1)

Chris Ashton 84 (739038) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045325)

Slashdot's rss feed didn't correctly link to the article, so maybe people are having problems getting here.

Re:offtopic, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045441)

I'm looking for alternatives, tired of the bullshit, erroneous and sensationalist anti-microsoft posts. Digg sucks, not sure about this Reddit, someone else suggested Arstechnica...

Re:offtopic, but (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045723)

Actually, I think it has something to do with Feedburner wigging out today... every time I click on a Slashdot link in Google Reader, I get a Feedburner error.

After so much silence.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045139)

"Fuck computers. We're going into gels."

Re:After so much silence.. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045201)

"Fuck computers. We're going into gels."

I think KY already has a product for that.

Re:After so much silence.. (2, Insightful)

duguk (589689) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045357)

"Fuck computers. We're going into gels."

I think KY already has a product for that.

But that's only for Apple users ;o) /joke

Re:After so much silence.. (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045527)

Where can I get one of these "fuck computers"?

Re:After so much silence.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045545)

www.apple.com and get the iDildo.

Re:After so much silence.. (4, Funny)

fireman sam (662213) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045841)

Or you can use the DIY Gentoo based computer called "Go fuck yourself"

Amiga Community (5, Funny)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045141)

Both of them?

Re:Amiga Community (1)

Tiger4 (840741) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045171)

My Amiga 1000 (512KB, with 68881 co-processor!) has been sitting in the bottom of the old coat closet, waiting for this development so it would be useful once again. They should call it "anti Obsolescence gel"

Re:Amiga Community (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045323)

Just watch if you had a real time clock too - early-amiga-era clock batteries have a VERY nasty habit [iinet.net.au] of leaking onto the motherboard after a few years in storage, eating through circuit traces (not limited to amigas either, watch out on any computers from that era with battery-backed clocks)

Re:Amiga Community (1)

Jamie's Nightmare (1410247) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045749)

My Amiga 1000 (512KB, with 68881 co-processor!)

For real? You purchased a math co-processor without a ram expansion?

Don't knock the Amiga (4, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045371)

Back in the day, Ami was a real contender.

Buy an A1000 and run some graphics demos on one. Then try to remember that it was made in 1985.

I've always dreamed of what the world would be like if modern computing had gone this route. Imagine your OS as a bank of roms, and your PC as a fully integrated machine rather than a patchwork of PCI cards and third party drivers.

Seriously, Amiga was an excellent design.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045471)

Seriously, Amiga was an excellent design.

Too bad it was made by Commodore. How's that joke again... if Commodore ran KFC, they'd advertise it as 'dead warm poultry'.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (5, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046135)

Everyone blames Commodore, but let's face it, the early 90s was a rough time for the computer industry. Atari went bankrupt (goodbye ST), Commodore went bankrupt (goodbye Amiga), and Apple would have gone bankrupt too (goodbye Macintosh) if it had not been saved at the last minute by Gates. The industry was consolidating around the Intel 486 platform, and I don't think ST, Amiga, or Macintosh would have survived even if run by someone as brilliant as Andrew Carnegie. What they offered looked unattractive to early 90s computer users who believed alternative platforms were as obsolete as newspapers today, and that everyone should be using the soon-to-arrive Windows95. In fact I can still remember the near-hatred from my fellow students: "You use an Amiga??? Everyone knows companies use IBM, and so too should you. You wasted your money."

Statistics show that less than 7% were interested in a non-IBM-compatible platform in 1994. That was quite a blow to Commodore who just eight years earlier controlled 40% of the market. Even now I can't believe Macintosh is still alive (3% share). I suspect if Gates focused his energies, and stopped Ballmer from making boneheaded decisions, he could kill-off the Mac fairly easily..... just as he almost succeeded in doing circa 1994.

Point - Nothing could have saved Commodore. Just as nothing could save JVC from losing its VHS market. The market had changed. (link - http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2005/12/total-share.ars/10 [arstechnica.com] )

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (1)

Skylinux (942824) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045473)

ahhh gaming consoles come to mind .... just like my Amiga 500, with memory extension card the size of an old PCI modem.

Amiga 500 > Insert Floppy ..... wait .... game loads
Random Console > Insert media ... wait ... game loads

Amiga 500 > Insert Amiga Workbench floppy ... wait ... AW loads
Random Console > Insert Linux CD ... wait ... Linux Desktop loads

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (1)

Saffaya (702234) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046113)

>>Amiga 500 > Insert Amiga Workbench floppy ... wait ... AW loads

Compare to:

ATARI ST > Switch on > under GEM within 3 seconds

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046209)

That's no coincidence. The PS1 games often have the same "feel" as an Amiga game: insert disc, power up, wait about a minute for the game title to appear. The menus follow a similar style as well, such that I feel like I'm back in the late 80s/early 90s again.

And the old Genesis games, even though they lack a disk drive, often were direct ports from the Amiga or ST computers. When I play Genesis Populous it looks and acts just like my Amiga Populous. Only the music is different (inferior).

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (2, Informative)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045661)

Yea. Amigas can do anything! [youtube.com]

That aside, Bones is actually a pretty good show if you can ignore the "scientific" leaps.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045671)

Imagine your OS as a bank of roms, and your PC as a fully integrated machine rather than a patchwork of PCI cards and third party drivers.

You mean, imagine your PC as a Mac? (Classic Macs had the OS in ROM, and the integration goes without saying.)

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046121)

Classic Macs had a toolbox in ROM.. really nothing more than BIOS plus some QuickDraw routines.

It's a far cry from the "OS". At least Apple IIs had BASIC and the Monitor in ROM so you could actually use them sans-disk.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (5, Insightful)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045709)

I've always dreamed of what the world would be like if modern computing had gone this route. Imagine your OS as a bank of roms, and your PC as a fully integrated machine rather than a patchwork of PCI cards and third party drivers.

But in many ways, I'd argue that modern computing has gone the Amiga way: consider how most motherboards now have everying on board, and it's only the graphics card that people might optionally have as an extra for performance. (Whilst drivers can be a pain, they have the advantage of allowing standardisation through an API - the Amiga was moving towards a driver model for graphics and so on, and I'd have thought it a great advantage for any modern machine taking advantage of 3D hardware, so chances are that a hypothetical modern Amiga would have drivers too. Chances are they would've dropped the ROMs too - AmigaOS 3.5 onwards came entirely on CD.)

Consider: today I run a multitasking OS, with combined GUI and command line. The machine I use has dedicated graphics and sound chips, and everything's integrated on the motherboard. Finally, I'd argue that today's machines are modern Amigas. Compare that to the DOS based PCs, or single-tasking non-command-line and no-chipsets on the classic Macs. Looking back, it's laughable how people back then tried to justify their expensive primitive purchases (e.g., claiming that it was better not to have a GUI), when we see how computers are designed today. The Amiga was written off as a games machine, but what is it that now drives the 3D graphics industry, and arguably the personal computer industry as a whole? Yes, I like having a fast machine with decent graphics in front of me, rather than a boring command line operated piece of business furniture, or a black and white interface that doesn't let me do things the way I want it. The only thing stopping it being a modern Amiga is the trademark.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045947)

AOS3.5 was distributed on CD, but it used the 3.1 ROM.

No surprise they used a CD instead of 6+ floppies.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046025)

True, but I mean they updated it with patches that were stored on hard disk, rather than releasing a new ROM.

A ROM made more sense when hard disks were expensive and few people had them in lower end machines. Just because we're hypothesising about a modern Amiga doesn't mean that everything had to stay the same - it would be like thinking modern PCs should be running a very fast version of DOS. In fact, I'd suspect that if Commodore had stayed in business, then any modern "Amiga" would share little other than the name - just like as happened with Macs, or Windows. (Indeed, some of Commodore's plans for future Amigas at the time included switching to a new CPU, replacing AmigaOS with NT, and a new graphics chipset that was incompatible with the existing chipset.)

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27046155)

I'd bet AAA would have been compatible enough.

After that they'd probably have enough OS support to make sharper turns in chipset design though.

That and I don't think NT could be a serious thought around anyone in C= that was actually responsible for making anything work.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (4, Interesting)

mmontour (2208) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045869)

Buy an A1000 and run some graphics demos on one. Then try to remember that it was made in 1985.

Remember also that many of the main features of Microsoft's Windows 95 (32-bit code, preemptive multitasking, long-filename support) were present in the original "Amiga 85" OS.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045973)

Imagine your OS as a bank of roms, and your PC as a fully integrated machine rather than a patchwork of PCI cards and third party drivers.

Uh, Apple did that for, what, 15 years or so? They gave it up, which makes me think the "patchwork of PCI cards" must be superior on some way, at least.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (2, Insightful)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046153)

I'm guessing the 'patchwork' allows more competition for companies to one-up each other, and also allows for a more modular design. I loved the Amiga, but as long as decent interfaces and standards are used, it makes sense to modularize.

Re:Don't knock the Amiga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27046163)

Too bad it was so dependent on hardware chipsets for various tasks. That really hindered its growth and acceptance.
 
Heck, all those things the Amiga did were pretty trivial given it's dependence on specialized chips.

How many other uses? (1)

netruner (588721) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045149)

It sounds to me like this concept has a lot more potential uses. There are likely many other types of plastic where the same protection chemicals were used. While this probably won't help anyone dealing with plastics exposed to other environmental hazards (like dashboards which fade out under too much sunlight), it may prove useful in restoring other items.

What other items can you think of?

Re:How many other uses? (1)

jimboisbored (871959) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045183)

I didn't RTFA but if it's the same reason for discoloration the SNES and Norstar phones usually get pretty yellow.

Re:How many other uses? (1)

Fireye (415617) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046125)

Clearly that's due to Cheetos and Cheesy Poofs, not bromide or any other chemical in the plastics.

mind in the gutter, I blame the intartubes (1, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045185)

It sounds to me like this concept has a lot more potential uses. There are likely many other types of plastic where the same protection chemicals were used. While this probably won't help anyone dealing with plastics exposed to other environmental hazards (like dashboards which fade out under too much sunlight), it may prove useful in restoring other items.

What other items can you think of?

Used dildos?

Re:How many other uses? (3, Interesting)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045239)

I immediately thought of old toys, like my precious ships for the star wars action figures, the imperial shuttle [google.com] or b-wing [google.com] whose plastic is all faded and yellowed. Now I can run around the room with them making laser noises and re-enact scenes from ROTJ just like I did when I was eight. Awesome!

Re:How many other uses? (1)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045511)

This was also what I immediately thought of - my poor old faded Millennium Falcon will ride again!

Re:How many other uses? (1)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045245)

It sounds to me like this concept has a lot more potential uses.

I wonder what type of plastic is used for the lenses in headlights?

Re:How many other uses? (2, Informative)

budgenator (254554) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045373)

I assume that they are an acrylic, although polycarboanate plastic is also a possibility. I also assume that they are the thermoplastic variety rather than the thermosetting type. Acrylics often use an amine catalyst which tends to cause yellowing. Moisture and UV exposure causes embrittlement, clouding, cracking and crazing in acrylics.

Re:How many other uses? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045475)

Acrylics often use an amine catalyst which tends to cause yellowing. Moisture and UV exposure causes embrittlement, clouding, cracking and crazing in acrylics.

I wonder if that is why 'amine' is always coming out yellow.....

here, take a look

* 1 Case Regular Pint size Mason Jars ( Used for canning)
* 2 Boxes Contact 12 hour time released tablets.
* 3 Bottles of Heet.
* 4 feet of surgical tubing.
* 1 Bottle of Rubbing Alchohol.
* 1 Gallon Muriatic Acid ( Used for cleaning concrete)
* 1 Gallon of Coleman's Fuel
* 1 Gallon of Aceton
* 1 Pack of Coffee Filters
* 1 Electric Skillet ( If you don't know what iam talking about i will have pics later)
* 4 Bottles Iodine Tincture 2% (don't get the declorized it won't work)
* 2 Bottles of Hydrogen peroxide
* 3 20 0z Coke Bottles (Plastic type)(with Lids/caps)
* 1 Can Red Devils Lye
* 1 Pair of sharp scissors
* 4 Boxes Book Matches (try to get the ones with brown/red striker pads)
* 1 pyrodex baking dish
* 1 Box execto razor blades single sided
* 1 digital scale that reads grams
* 2 gallons distilled water \
* 1 Roll Aluminum foil tape

That's what you would have to go buy if you wanted to make meth.

First things first -- the Iodine Crystals. Take one 20 oz, plastic Coke Bottle and pour 4 Bottles 2% tincture into it.

Add Hydrogen Peroxide to this. Use only 1/2 a bottle of Hydrogen peroxide. After this you know, the gallon jug that the Muriatic acid comes in take the cap off and fill this cap level with the acid. Add the acid to the coke bottle (Place in a freezer for at least 30 mins).

While the Iodine crystals are being made we are going to extract the Phsuedo from the Contacts. You are going to need a towel for this so go get one. Take the pills out of one box, add it to one of the mason jars fill with rubbing alchohol just enough to cover the pills let set for 3 minutes. Remove pills and take the towel and wipe the top coating off the pills this will remove the wax. Do the same with the other box of Contacts as well, after this add those wiped off pills only 10 to a clean mason jar. On top of this add 1 bottle of Heat do the same for the other box of Contact. Let theese two mason jars with pills, heat stand for 30 minutes. Then shake the jars till pills are completly broke down then let the jars sit again for 4 hours or until the Heats is completly clear . Once clear cyphon the heat off (Not the powder stuff at the Bottom you don't want this it will fuck your dope up).

Well anyway syphon the heat off with a piece of the sergical tubing syphon this into a pyrodex baking dish place in microwave on high till the heat is almost evaporated. Take out of microwave. Now plug up your electric plate set the pyrodex dish on this on about 180 deg continue evaporating till you get a white powder on the pyrodex (Carefull not the burn the phsudo if it turns yellow it's burned) after you get it dried take a razor blade and scrape this powder up. (put this asside for later use)

Now we are going to get the red phosphorus from the book matches take a pair of scissors and cut along the edge of the phosphorus do the whole four boxes of match book matches then take 1 small coffee cup will work to this coffee cup add about 1/4 the way with Acetone dip the match book strike pads into the acetone for 10 seconds this will loosen the phosphorus so it will be easier to scrape with the razor blades. ( put the phosphorus in an empty match book box to let dry. Now it's time to get the iodine crystals get a clean mason jar on top of this place 1 coffee filter and pour the contents of the iodine +muriatic+Hydrogen Peroxide into the filter ( do it slowly don't over pour) well once you get though with the filtering on top of the coffee filter will be a black substance ( This is iodine crystals) dry them by wraping in more coffee filters till you get a pretty good thick pile around the original filter place on ground and step on it to get the rest of the liquids off save this for the cook.

next take your digital scales wiegh your pills first say you had 2 grams of pill powder then weigh out an equal amount of iodine crystals then for the phosphorus devide the total weight of pills by 3 3 will go into 2 1 time so if you had 2 grams pill powder you should have 2 grams iodine crystal 1 gram phosphorus Now its time to make the cook jars you will need 2 clean mason jars with lids 1 foot surgical tubing poke a hole in both jar lids place one end of the tubing into each jar lid and seal with foil tape (buy this at walmart for about $ 1.60 well anyway seal off the tubes as well as you can so you should have 2 mason jars with lids that have surgical tubing foiled taped and sealed. ok this is the cook in one mason jar add distilled water in it fill it half way close the lid on it. now get you hotplate hot first at 180 degreese F when the plate get hot then its time to add the Iodine+pill powder to the other mason jar not the one with water in it once you get both Iodine and pill powder to the jar add 6-10 drops of distilled water to this place it on the hotplate now add the phosphorus once you put this in the jar there is going to be a imediatereaction place the other lid with hose onto the jar screw on tightly then turn your hotplate up to 400 degrees f let this cook for 1 hour to an hour and a half the best way to tell when it is done is when the contents of the cook jar doesn't boil anymore once this has happened turn the hotplate off and let the jar cool so you can touch it now its time to see if we have dope once it has cooled open the lid and you should smell rotten egg like smell if it has this smell congrads you have dope now we have to remove the dope from the black goey substance to this jar add about 1/4 cup of distilled water and seal the jar with a lid that has no holes in it and shake the jar till all the substance on the botom of the jar has come off into the water

next take another clean mason jar and place a coffee filter and filter the cook jars contents though the filter now on the filter is your phosphorus save this for another cook later on just putt it in a dry coffee filter and put it somewhere dry and safe now you have a jar filled with a yellow honey looking substance if its this color you have done good at cooking the dope now to this add colemans fuel fill the jar about full just leave anough room for shaking now add 1-2 table spoons red devil lye let the jar sit for about 5 mins then place lid on the jar and shake the hell out of it then sit the jar somewhere to rest for about 30 mins Now we are going to pull the dope out of the coleman fuel and the product is going to be 90% methamphetamine to do this fallow what i say exactly syphon the coleman fuel into an empty 20 oz coke bottle syphon off much as you can trying not to get the substance off the bottom of the jar once you have the coleman fuel in the coke bottle add about 4-6 coke bottle caps of water to this now add one drop of muriatic acid to the coke bottle place lid on bottle and shake the hell out of it place upside down so it want fall and get your hotplate hot 400 degrees f on top of the hotplate place a clean pyrodex bowl on it now take the coke bottle still upside down and loosen up on the cap let the water drain into the pan don't get any coleman fuel into the pyrodex bowl now the water will evaporate while it is doing this take a coffee cup add acetone to it fill it 1/4 the way up now once the water has dried on the plate take plate off with gloves and add a small amount of acetone to the pyrodex bowl it will sizzle swirl it arouund and if all works out good ther will be cirle crystals all over the pyrodex bowl scrape up with a razor and enjoy Methamphetamine :-) This with 2 boxes of Contacts will make anywhere from 2-3 grams meth....

Re:How many other uses? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045469)

This ought to work for yellowing SNES's and early Macs/IIGS's too.

Re:How many other uses? (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045483)

I have an original Game Boy that could benefit from this procedure.

Slashdot Concerns About Amiga: +1, Funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045195)

while U.S.A. collapses economically. The next, and final, stage is political collapse [youtube.com] .

Good luck in your Gulag.

PatRIOTically In Perpetuity,
Kilgore Trout

now to try it on legos (1)

theycallmeB (606963) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045197)

I wonder if this would work on LEGO bricks? Particularly the white ones that fair very poorly in the sun. That a good method for polishing out scratches would make the day of many a LEGO collector.

Re:now to try it on legos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045461)

an buffing wheel with some appropriate grit would do it. Watch out for heat legos melt at a low temp.

I know a dude who used to own a cd buffing station. That would probably work as well if you could hold the piece down.

Find your old nintendos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045203)

Finally a way to Bring that shine back to my NES case!

New Business Opportunity? (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045205)

Hmmm, makes you wonder if there is a niche market around for making those dingy office machines look like new.

Hydrogen peroxide attacks some plastics (5, Informative)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045221)

You'd have to be careful with at least PET, because that degrades when exposed to H2O2 for more than a minute or so. So I'd check for possible side-effects before attempting to spruce up your preciousss with this.

Re:Hydrogen peroxide attacks some plastics (4, Funny)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045273)

You'd have to be careful with at least PET, because that degrades when exposed to H2O2 for more than a minute or so

No no, they're talking about restoring AMIGAS, not those angular early 8-bit Commodore computers.

Re:Hydrogen peroxide attacks some plastics (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045277)

You'd have to be careful with at least PET,

Well it looks like the Commodore 64 survived, and the PET was a lot more solidly built :-)

(Sorry. I'll get my coat)

(Anyway, ISTR the PET was made out of metal...)

Wow. Bleaching. How novel!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045253)

It's been lowering the IQ of brunettes for years.

Obviously the submitter has no idea what the predominate color of a TRS-80 is.

RTFA - not bleaching (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045631)

It's not bleaching - they use it to undo the yellowing chemical reaction on a gray Atari 130XE. It goes from yellow-brown right back to gray. [wikispaces.com]

It's absolutely amazing.

Re:RTFA - not bleaching (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045969)

It IS bleaching, dipwit. Simple chemistry.

you can tell kdawson didn't bring this story (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045255)

it's not filled with "teh m$ is teh gay!!!!onehundredeleven!!11!1" bullshit.

that bitch needs a new job.

not news: bleach alternative cleans things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045279)

Next they'll be posting how (diluted) acetone takes marks off metal computer cases.

Re:not news: bleach alternative cleans things (3, Informative)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045549)

The problem here is that it's not that the plastic is 'unclean' but that the material has chemically reacted with UV and fire retardants to fade the plastic itself. It's the MacBeth of stains - you scrub and it never comes out.

Re:not news: bleach alternative cleans things (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046107)

We call that "Bundy Yellow".

The original Macs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045293)

I remember reading about a process that could be applied to the original compact Macintosh boxes (the ones with the 9-inch CRT black and white screens) to restore the case plastic that tends to yellow or darken noticeably as they get older (most of them are 20+ years old by now, so this is to be expected). Anyone know about this?

Soft Scrub (1)

amigabill (146897) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045301)

I've in the past used Soft Scrub cleaner to clean up my old Amiga stuff. This way may be better than what I've done, possibly easier than the gentle scrubbing I did, and I did have to individually scrub each keyboard keycap, which was not particularly fun. I may try this as I get some old stuff ready for ebay.

Strong oxidants and glycerine? (3, Insightful)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045319)

Better make it only in small batches. B-(

Amiga TRS-80? (2, Insightful)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045367)

Ah yes... the venerable Amiga TRS-80. As much as I appreciate the requisite throwaway jokes in summaries, you really couldn't think of any Commodore Amiga product? Even a C64 jab would have been better.

Re:Amiga TRS-80? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045579)

I thought it was the Commodore TI/994A.

Re:Amiga TRS-80? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045895)

If Jack Trmaiel was dead, he'd be rolling in his grave. As it is, you better watch your back.

Remember son, business is war. And ole' Jack intends to win!

UV Light (1)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045375)

It's kind of cool that raw UV exposure is the commonly accepted culprit of yellowing, and the restoration process involves basking the gelled surface in UV as well.

Osborne 1! (1)

ninjagin (631183) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045393)

Oh, an old Ozzie one! My heart leapt at the sight of it, as if I had seen an old friend. It's a shame I don't have mine anymore.

Re:Osborne 1! (1)

ogdenk (712300) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045775)

My O1 died a few months ago. Just displays random garbage on the CRT with a constant whine coming from the speaker. I still have the carcass and full set of floppies.

Compare that to the life of newer laptops or portables. That thing was built in 81.

The only thing that I will let touch my Amiga... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045409)

...is the ShamWow.

Did you try oven cleaning foam? (1)

abrax5 (545966) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045429)

My sister's bf refurbished his monitor by using classic oven cleaner foam. Excellent results.

Re:Did you try oven cleaning foam? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045499)

This will only help if it is dirty or stained by nicotine. You cannot simply just clean it when the plastic itself is discolored from UV.

Re:Did you try oven cleaning foam? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046133)

Fact: Oven cleaner and bleach are the only two household chemicals you will ever need.

tooth whitening anyone? (2, Interesting)

DnemoniX (31461) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045453)

Really sounds like tooth whitening gel to me. Some of those procedures use high energy light to excite the peroxide which speeds up the process.

One man's patina... (3, Interesting)

RevWaldo (1186281) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045457)

...is another man's sickly yellow. The basic rule of thumb for antiques/collectibles is to never remove its patina e.g. all that crap that's built up on its surface over the years, as it's an undeniable indication of its age (plus sometimes it just looks cool.)

Then again, vintage car fans don't hesitate to break out the paint and the rust remover.

Will diehard technology collectors prefer plastic as yellow as a smoking lounge drop ceiling, or returned to its brilliant off-whiteness?

Re:One man's patina... (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045521)

Depends on how many times you can 'restore' the equipment before the chemicals used damage the plastic.

Re:One man's patina... (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046129)

I ran into this veiwpoint when someone asked me about polishing an old and relatively expensive sword - I made the mistake of telling him what seems like the obvious act that you are removing a bit of the surface to polish it. Here as well you are damaging the plastic - the secret is to damage only a few microns in depth just like polishing.

Re:One man's patina... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045553)

Ah but the process is reversible back to the brown. All you need is 1 uv lamp... Which you conveniently have if you are using this process.

Re:One man's patina... (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045611)

"Then again, vintage car fans don't hesitate to break out the paint and the rust remover."

That's not exactly true - if a car has original paint, it's worth more money. You just polish it so it looks like new.

Likewise on old furniture and guns - refinishing bad, cleaning and polishing good.

Oh sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045463)

... if you want your computer to be part-Cylon.

Now my film can take place... (1)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045467)

I have a greenlight from Hollywood to film the Jack Tramiel Story. Starring Jack Black as Tramiel. It's a heartwarming story of him escaping the Warsaw Ghetto and Nazi oppression (cameo by Ralph Fiennes as Josef Menegele) and headed to the Bronx to repair office machines.

The film ends in Triumph as he founds Commodore and wins over Bill Shatner (played by Bill Shatner of course) to be his spokesperson.

The only thing holding back production was that nobody in Hollywood could get an old C64 to look fresh again.


THANK GOD MAN! THANK GOD!

Didn't know this was a problem (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045603)

The last time I confronted this, I used a little Simple Green and a bristle brush. The part looked brand new in seconds. I guess I could've waited a decade for someone to invent a workalike, but it didn't occur to me.

TRS-80s?! (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045623)

Holy sh*t! TRS-80s? Boy, are YOU showing your age. Wait ... I used to work on those things.

Aw, damn. {whimper}

The story goes.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#27045633)

Anyone else read this as:

Someone online "discovered" that others had cleaned the plastics using hydrogen peroxide and decided to do the same, then proclaim that they had discovered a way to clean the plastics and generusly donate the recipy to the public?

Where exactly is it that they did anything more special then a google search to figure out that others had already solved the problem?

Re:The story goes.. (1)

fan777 (932195) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045769)

I think the story here is that they figured out a way to make it into a gel so rather than dunking a large item into a bath of H2O2, you can paint / smear it on. At least that's what I got from reading the summary.

I know some politicians and actresses who should (1)

rcamans (252182) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045735)

I know some politicians and actresses who should try it out. They need it bad.

Pluses and minuses (4, Interesting)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | more than 4 years ago | (#27045757)

What you're doing is applying an oxygenating bleach to the surface. Works quite well to remove the yellow. But anytime you apply oxygen to a surface you speed up the rate of .... oxidation!

So while you're whitening it, you're also speeding up the deterioration of the plastic.

If you've ever used an "ozone generator" to remove smoke odors you know it does that job very well, and it also destroys every rubber band, ballpoint pen, and bicycle tire in the area.

Re:Pluses and minuses (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046159)

Use this shit in an office and every printer/copier/etc will need new rollers.

Whitening (1)

Mishotaki (957104) | more than 4 years ago | (#27046015)

Was that the process that Michael Jackson used?
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