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LimeWire Brings Darknets To All

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the yes-have-some dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "LimeWire's new version lets people create private darknets with contacts on any Jabber server (like GMail or LiveJournal). It's different than the recent p2p darknet announcement because it doesn't use onion routing. Sharing with a friend connects directly to that friend. If you're worried about exposing personal information, LW5 doesn't share documents with the p2p network by default."

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Great idea... (5, Funny)

Chabil Ha' (875116) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076139)

Until you start letting 'friends' join your peer network with usernames like Riaa250k into your 'private network'.

Re:Great idea... (5, Insightful)

briggsl (1475399) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076167)

Unfortunately, the social networking society we're in now, where the norm is to accept anyone who 'sends a friend request' will make darknets unworkable for the majority

Re:Great idea... (1, Insightful)

gravos (912628) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076195)

People still fileshare? Everything I want to listen to and watch can be streamed now. Thanks to Hulu and Netflix and iTunes I can get the latest movies and just about everything else! The costs for these activities are no longer prohibitive.

As for Limewire they are basically forcing the hand of the RIAA/MPAA... With a darknet how can you detect who is sharing what? You can't if you choose your friends wisely.

Re:Great idea... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27076253)

Yes, people still fileshare. I like streaming (youtube) but I still want high quality copies on my local machine which I can have access to even when the network/stream service goes down. And filesharing is useful for rare stuff.

Re:Great idea... (4, Insightful)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076659)

And filesharing is useful for rare stuff.

Filesharing on a small darknet may not be useful for rare stuff, unless your friends happen to have it. -1 Downside.

Re:Great idea... (3, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27081231)

Filesharing on a small darknet may not be useful for rare stuff, unless your friends happen to have it. -1 Downside.

Luckily, noone targets the rare stuff with lawsuits.

Re:Great idea... (1)

jon3k (691256) | more than 5 years ago | (#27079393)

1) I can't get my TV shows in high def for free on the web without commercials

2) Watching movies while they're still in the theater.

If they're your tv shows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27080881)

why don't you already have access to them?

1) I can't get my TV shows

Those services are not international (0)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076265)

Hulu and Netflix, AFAIK, are US-only, and I believe there are still countries where iTunes is unavailable. I would also guess (not using any of them) that they are all Windows-only.

> forcing the hand of the RIAA/MPAA

Good. Maybe this will eventually lead to a more sane situation in international copyright law.

Re:Those services are not international (3, Insightful)

syrinx (106469) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076317)

...you are guessing that iTunes is Windows-only? Just to be clear, we're talking about the iTunes from Apple, not some other iTunes? ;)

Netflix is not Windows-only either, btw. I don't know about Hulu.

Being US-only is a concern though.

Re:Those services are not international (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076555)

Hulu is a website with flash-based streaming video.

Re:Those services are not international (1)

vtcodger (957785) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076639)

Hulu works on Linux ... sort of ... if your standards of "works" are pretty lenient. Perhaps if I tweaked enough stuff, it would be watchable. ... But even on Windows, its overall quality might generously be described as "really awful".

It's apparently going to be a few years before the Internet + telco can deliver me a picture that is as watchable as a noisy and degraded NTSC broadcast signal. My esteemed spouse and I did watch a couple of glitchy episodes of "WKRP in Cincinnati", and enjoyed them. But it's clear that rigging a PC to broadcast internet derived material on the household network would be a waste of time until the technology improves.

Re:Those services are not international (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27076961)

Hulu apparently need to have a chat with the BBC. I haven't watch and actual "TV" in months. Anything I want to watch, I stream with BBC iPlayer. The quality is fine.

Re:Those services are not international (1)

neomunk (913773) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078421)

My experience is exactly the opposite. I've completely replaced cable in my household with hulu, streaming netflix (running in a VM) and netflix DVDs.

Hooking my laptop up to my TV via S-Video cable, going to the screen resolution settings (I'm using Ubuntu Hardy) and setting it up to clone at either 640x480 or 800x600 results in a beautiful fullscreen picture on both hulu and netflix.

Maybe your ISP is at fault?

Re:Those services are not international (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 5 years ago | (#27079833)

Your bypassing the horrible part. Hulu and other shows are desgined for NTSC quality. 600x400 by out putting it to a regular tv you match resolutions and quality that the orginial broadcast had. I output to my hd tv and set it to 4:3 aspect for similar effect. However you can notice the lack of quality at monitor resolutions.

Re:Those services are not international (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076691)

...you are guessing that iTunes is Windows-only? Just to be clear, we're talking about the iTunes from Apple, not some other iTunes? ;)

Netflix is not Windows-only either, btw. I don't know about Hulu.

Being US-only is a concern though.

Hulu is definitely not Windows-only. It's more available than Netflix's "Watch Now" as far as tech goes (I think it's just a Flash player), but I believe they restrict access to only some countries (like the US).

It's a decent site, and I was shocked when they pimped it during the SuperBowl. Free and legal streaming of a lot of TV and a some movies.

Re:Those services are not international (3, Informative)

Ninnle Labs, LLC (1486095) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076331)

Hulu and Netflix, AFAIK, are US-only, and I believe there are still countries where iTunes is unavailable. I would also guess (not using any of them) that they are all Windows-only.

iTunes is clearly not Windows only. Hulu just streams things via flash so it's accessible via any OS with a flash player (which is basically all of them). The Netflix service can be accessed on OS X and Windows via Silverlight and on Linux with Moonlight. So no, none of them are Windows only.

Re:Those services are not international (1)

jopsen (885607) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076547)

But still US-only and DRM infected!

Re:Those services are not international (5, Insightful)

horza (87255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076727)

iTunes doesn't work with Linux, as jopsen says Hulu is US only (and the BBC iPlayer is UK only), and Moonlight is never going to gain any traction under Linux. Even Flash has only just arrived for 64-bit computers recently. The only reliable cross-platform and international way to watch movies is to download them via file-sharing.

Phillip.

Re:Those services are not international (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078021)

"Moonlight is never going to gain any traction under Linux."

And let me guess, somehow this will not be the fault of Linux, and the blame will be squarely leveled at Microsoft. Just call me Nostradamus.

Re:Those services are not international (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078565)

And let me guess, somehow this will not be the fault of Linux, and the blame will be squarely leveled at Microsoft.

Yes, of course. And rightly so.

Just call me Nostradamus.

No, I think calling you stupid is more fitting.

Silverlight 2 vs. Moonlight 1 (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#27081429)

Moonlight is never going to gain any traction under Linux.

And let me guess, somehow this will not be the fault of Linux, and the blame will be squarely leveled at Microsoft.

It'll be the fault of Microsoft if Microsoft continues to make questionably necessary additions to the Silverlight spec to make the Moonlight developers fall behind, and then continues to push Silverlight app developers to "take advantage" of those additions.

Re:Those services are not international (1)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076693)

Most of Hulu's content runs under Mac OS X 10.5, but there are a few videos that do not work.

Re:Those services are not international (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077217)

All of Hulus content runs in flash... but they link to content on other sites that uses WMV - which should work on Mac at least if you download the QT plugin (used to be called Flip4Mac)

Re:Great idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27076283)

Easy for you to say. Hulu, Netflix et all are "NOT AVAILABLE IN YOUR COUNTRY" for the most of us.

Re:Great idea... (4, Insightful)

meist3r (1061628) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076355)

Everything I want to listen to and watch can be streamed now. Thanks to Hulu and Netflix and iTunes I can get the latest movies and just about everything else! The costs for these activities are no longer prohibitive.

Lucky for you, Windows using American. I as a Linux using European can use none of the aforementioned services. Arrrhhh. Off to the bay where they don't geo-judge.

Segmenting the internet back into region specific chunks is probably the worst thing that happened since MySpace.

Re:Great idea... (5, Insightful)

Ninnle Labs, LLC (1486095) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076367)

Segmenting the internet back into region specific chunks is probably the worst thing that happened since MySpace.

So you'd rather Hulu and Netflix be sued into bankruptcy for streaming content to places in the world they have no right to do so? Yeah, that'd be a much greater idea...

Re:Great idea... (3, Insightful)

Dorkmaster Flek (1013045) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076531)

No, we'd rather they be able to stream content into other places in the world. I don't give a rats ass about the legal crap. It's their mess, and they need to work it out. Until then, don't expect us to stop going to places like The Pirate Bay to get content we can't stream otherwise.

Re:Great idea... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077137)

As a similarly affected European, I empathize, but I think it's important not to bite the hand that feeds you here; Hulu is one of the good guys. If they can succeed at showing the cartels at the local level that digital distribution is a good idea, then it will eventually expand to the global level. I wish them none but the best success.

Until that actually happens I will join you in pirating, however.

Re:Great idea... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078125)

stop winging about not being able to get american content outside of america, and start making content you want to watch in your country.

Re:Great idea... (0, Flamebait)

meist3r (1061628) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078753)

Yeah that's exactly the perfect answer. Stop whining about how you love Swiss/French Cheese and make some orange industrial Cheddar instead. Right.

Re:Great idea... (5, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076557)

So you'd rather Hulu and Netflix be sued into bankruptcy for streaming content

You missed his point... he doesn't care what happens to Hulu or Netflix. They don't exist as far as he's concerned.

Re:Great idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27079203)

He don't exist as far as they're concerned.

Fixed that for you.

Re:Great idea... (1)

meist3r (1061628) | more than 5 years ago | (#27079445)

He don't exist as far as they're concerned.

Fixed that for you.

Thank you, hear that Netflix? My money doesn't exist for you.

Re:Great idea... (1)

aonaran (15651) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076617)

Of course, they would not be sued if they bothered to negotiate world wide distribution instead of only negotiating "domestic" distribution Limiting who they can accept money from to a tiny fraction of their possible customers, and instead paying loads of money for technology to make that possible.

Re:Great idea... (2, Insightful)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077275)

I'm certain that Hulu at least has tried to get international distribution... most likely it is because the organization which holds the rights to that is not interested.... often each country will have a company which has previously negotiated distribution rights for various content. The details of these contracts are likely very convoluted due to some special circumstance.

I can imagine a scenario where a media company gives some other media company distribution rights to general content so that they can get Brittany Spears concerts approved or so they can get Olympics coverage set up for 4 years in the future, etc.

Re:Great idea... (1)

meist3r (1061628) | more than 5 years ago | (#27079193)

most likely it is because the organization which holds the rights to that is not interested.... often each country will have a company which has previously negotiated distribution rights for various content.

That's exactly the segmentation problem. Every country has it's own greedy branch of the same company. They basically hold the same rights but try to out-do each other on revenue. So they segment the global market into these chunks and try to make as much money as possible in individual places other than providing the best possible service. This is what I'm complaining about. I still have to wait months or certain TV shows never air at all. I still have to wait months for a shitty dubbed version of an English movie that I can understand natively. That's why I don't accept this system. I want to be able to pay for the same content that the American viewers get, at the same time. This is what I mean by "global". But the corporations want to benefit from the "global" perspective by evading taxes in certain countries but won't grant the consumers in those countries the same access. The system is severely flawed and needs to change ... fast.

Re:Great idea... (2, Informative)

AtomicJake (795218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27080401)

And that's why I do not own DVDs: region codes.

Kill hulu with fire; salt the remains (4, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076765)

Segmenting the internet back into region specific chunks is probably the worst thing that happened since MySpace.

So you'd rather Hulu and Netflix be sued into bankruptcy for streaming content to places in the world they have no right to do so? Yeah, that'd be a much greater idea...

Yes!

Well, no, I wish them a violent, painful death. But bankruptcy is an acceptable compromise.

Re:Great idea... (2, Insightful)

Tribaal_ch (1192815) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076397)

Where are my mod points when I need them?

Re:Great idea... (1, Offtopic)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076633)

Hulu, iTunes, and Netflix are great if you want to watch the content on your computer, or buy a few different boxes to watch content on your TV. For me, it is way faster to just download the content from usenet and pop it on a USB stick for watching on my DiVX DVD player. Perhaps when that dies I'll look into building a Hulu/Netflix/iTunes streamer - since you sure can't buy one.

Even then, you are at the mercy of the content providers and their whims. Usenet seems to be much more resistant to a point failure. You can also use usenet like a poor-man's TiVo, plugging keywords into your download application which then download when they become available.

And the movie selection is far, far greater on usenet - with much more up-to-date releases. Region coding is meaningless, so the instant a movie shows up on DVD or Blueray it is on Usenet... and sometimes even before.

Of course, the content owners get nothing from all of this, so some will argue stealing and evil and blah, blah. I speed, too. 5-10 over the limit, baby. Oh, yeah, I'm such an OUTLAW! All I want is an unencumbered file to play on my DVD player. I still can't get that from the content providers, so they can sue me or something.

Re:Great idea... (4, Insightful)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076907)

The first rule of u*****: never talk about u*****.

Re:Great idea... (2, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077075)

I figured that gig was up after they went after the alt.* hierarchies and forced newzbin to go private.

Re:Great idea... (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077411)

astraweb.com

USD$11 per month, unlimited transfer, 190 day retention. Fantastic provider, has ALL the groups, quite fast.

Re:Great idea... (1)

Hordeking (1237940) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077787)

Is u***** even alive anymore? I've wanted to try to use it, but the big ISPs have been trying to kill it (for the children), and I can't find any news servers that don't involve me handing them credit card information (or are otherwise free).

Whose leg do I have to hump to get access to newsgroups anymore?

Re:Great idea... (1)

JasonKiddy (850629) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078943)

Giganews is also very good. I personally wouldn't know though... honest guv.

Re:Great idea... (1)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#27080385)

Perhaps when that dies I'll look into building a Hulu/Netflix/iTunes streamer - since you sure can't buy one.

Netgear has one on the horizon.
I got to mess with it at the last CES.

Re:Great idea... (1)

X.25 (255792) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076685)

People still fileshare? Everything I want to listen to and watch can be streamed now. Thanks to Hulu and Netflix and iTunes I can get the latest movies and just about everything else! The costs for these activities are no longer prohibitive.

Yes, everyone is living in the United States.

Re:Great idea... (2, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076749)

People still fileshare? Everything I want to listen to and watch can be streamed now.

Yeah, nothing like low-quality, [BUFFERING] media that can suddenly "become unavailable" with no warning! That's the best!

Re:Great idea... (4, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077021)

So how's last year's season of movies and independent music artists who are not crap, working out for you? Can't find them on the streaming websites? Enjoying your guns n roses, aerosmith, metallica etc? I'm not saying those are great artists but just easy examples.

The only way to get the stuff at the real cost of distribution is to instead get it at completely scam-worthy prices online (10$ for a digital CD? 4$ for a movie?) simply because you didn't record it yourself and/or get it off filesharing networks for free, which is what it's truly worth: 0$. Honestly why should you pay later for something that you could have recorded yourself for free?

whoops.

Guess you can't do that, because they're all taken down or removed due to licensing issues, or label you a pirate for daring to fileshare.

Re:Great idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077055)

Yes, you're just one of the suckers that actually pays for his media.

Re:Great idea... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077623)

Well, let's see what happens, when Hulu, Netflix and iTunes go down... or change their business model, removing your access.

If it's mine, it's on my computer.

Bestest of friends (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076483)

with usernames like Riaa250k

I think "Riaa750k" might be more appropriate, given that's what they'll try to score with every file they download from you.

Re:Great idea... (2, Interesting)

cinnamon colbert (732724) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076959)

reading the neauseatingly gushing article, I couldn't quite figure out how this works - does it require limewire servers or exspose you to lime wire ? what is this jabber client ?
my impression is that the software basically lets you share a folder, or the equivalent of a folder between a set of computers; the problem, for making this useful, is that only downloaded files appear - what if I just want to share some word docs ?
surely someone on /. can offer a clean, simple explanation

Re:Great idea... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077735)

Darknets...these are networks that niggers are allowed to use? I'm glad someone developed these darknets so that the internet can be left to white people, thank the Lord Jesus Christ.

Funny (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27076155)

I thought we had gotten past this whole INVITE PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ business years ago.

Re:Funny (2, Funny)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076351)

Let me guess, you don't have a facebook account?

Re:Funny (1)

guruevi (827432) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076507)

Neither do I. I think he is referring to the days of IRC. Those were the days...

I don't really care about any of the social networking sites. The furthest I've gone is Jabber (with my own Jabber server) and it works great. Don't know why I need anything else. I've had my finger wetted with MSN Messenger but didn't really like it (ads and spam) and closed it after a good year.

Re:Funny (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27080699)

Neither do I. I think he is referring to the days of IRC. Those were the days...

I think he's referring to companies which makes it easy to invite your friends, even if they don't care or want all the invite spam. On IRC? Can't remember I was asking for invites much, though then I wasn't around in many channels with a topic where invite would be necessary.

Anyway, if you have had a facebook account you would now lots of applications more or less forced the users to invite all of their friends, even more so earlier, and that many "friends" want to you join all the crap they join. I don't care about invite spam, or telemarketing, or whatever, if I want a thing I search it up myself and get it, I don't need anyone else doing it for me.

And no, facebook isn't much to care for and you aren't missing out. All I meant was invites is common practise over there.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077785)

Hell no, this crap still happens all the time.

Oh hey Demonoid invites, GIF 1 PLS!!
Got one, went on it, wow, just as boring as most sites, not exactly that special either.
I think the people who actually hype that site are the idiots who believe that they are protected because "it is private", as in, private from RIAA or whatever other idiots.
Hmm, YES, makes perfect sense!
It is as private as a green-house with a curtain on the door...

Re:Funny (1)

Ashriel (1457949) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078873)

Actually, as a Demonoid member (once upon a time - I lost my password and have undergone an email change, so no luck getting back in), I'm very impressed with the site.

If you're looking for the latest media, then no, it's not much better than most other torrent search engines. But if you want the latest proprietary software, reference ebooks (or scanned books), or select indie stuff, it's excellent. Furthermore, there's a strong peer-review aspect to the site that makes me feel a lot more secure that what I'm downloading is actually what it's claimed to be.

Darknet != Freedom (4, Insightful)

onion2k (203094) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076165)

Being anonymous is not the same as being free.

To that end, using a darknet is actually reducing how free you are because you're not standing up to the authority or laws you're circumventing. Freedom is being able to do what you want to do without having to hide it.

Re:Darknet != Freedom (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27076241)

Darknet != Freedom

Nobody said it was. Calm down.

Re:Darknet != Freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077931)

Darknet != Freedom

Nobody said it was. Calm down.

Funny. I didn't feel inflamed by this comment. Mod parent up, please.

Re:Darknet != Freedom (1)

Superdarion (1286310) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076273)

Correct, but being able to do it in hiding means more freedom than not being able to do it at all.

Re:Darknet != Freedom (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27076307)

"Freedom is being able to do what you want to do without having to hide it."

I think you're thinking of anarchy. "Freedom" is usually a little more nuanced than "do what you want, when you want, as often as you want."

Re:Darknet != Freedom (4, Informative)

impaledsunset (1337701) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076327)

And how is the ability to exercise a freedom which you weren't given, but should have been, is bad for you? Of couse that if an essential freedom is missing, anonymity won't give it back to you, but it will still give you the ability to exercise it.

Of course, after reading the first half of TFA, I don't see what anonymity you're talking about. It's about sharing files only with people you want. It's a cool feature, which I would find usefull, but it seems useless if you want anonymity.

Re:Darknet != Freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27076445)

But we don't want freedom - we just want to securely share our CP!

Re:Darknet != Freedom (2, Insightful)

unixan (800014) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076539)

Freedom is being able to do what you want to do without having to hide it.

Hiding is what precedes [wikipedia.org] freedom [wikipedia.org] .

Otherwise premature [wikipedia.org] openness can get you shot down [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Darknet != Freedom (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076541)

Like ripping off the movie industry of their product. Yeah that's our freedom right there.
This is more of a way to bypass the laws that would normally include file sharing of regular files,
in the generalization of p2p torrent laws enforced by the ISPs, but fall into the category, you are using torrents so this file must be a bad pirated one.

Re:Darknet != Freedom (1)

jonhaug (783048) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077229)

Being anonymous is not the same as being free.

To that end, using a darknet is actually reducing how free you are because you're not standing up to the authority or laws you're circumventing. Freedom is being able to do what you want to do without having to hide it.

This is not true. Freedom is whatever makes you feel free. With your definition, noone is ever going to be free. In small societies, you don't find many "odd men out" because any of them keeps quiet, like gays or other political incorrect individuals. Anonymity and stepping forward and outing yourself whenever you decides yourself is freedom.

65 yo Grandmother (1)

olddotter (638430) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076237)

I like the 65 yearold grandmother example. And given that, this app looks interesting. The security features could make it an interesting app for businesses; keeping legal, personal, and medical records safe.

Re:65 yo Grandmother (1)

ovu (1410823) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078177)

I AM the 65 year old grandmother example, and you're looking pretty nice too, sonny!

Snakeoil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27076309)

A network that allows you to communicate and trade files only with people you trust? What a great idea, I'm sure that's never been done before, and it'll definite provide a huge amount of security to people who want to share files. Oh wait... [wikipedia.org]

huh? (4, Funny)

Cornwallis (1188489) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076325)

"LimeWire's new version lets people create private darknets with contacts on any Jabber server (like GMail or LiveJournal). It's different than the recent p2p darknet announcement because it doesn't use onion routing." For some reason reading that statement brings to mind Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Re:huh? (3, Funny)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076583)

I have to admit. I got a mental image of a guy looking at an onion and then throwing it away. Magic.

Sounds like a good idea (2, Insightful)

wjh31 (1372867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076343)

If it's what i actually think it is. Which is private sharing within your own group without others being able to see what's going on. It would only take a modest half dozen or so friends to share thier video collections, and you could have a pretty extensive collection, with some reasonable speeds and redundancy. And by videos i of course mean all those silly videos from when you were drunk that night, definately not those feature length things shown in cinemas.

Re:Sounds like a good idea (1)

Ninnle Labs, LLC (1486095) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076939)

Don't forget about trading back and forth all that public domain movies/music and Linux ISOs!

Re:Sounds like a good idea (1)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077683)

And by videos i of course mean all those silly videos from when you were drunk that night, definately not those feature length things shown in cinemas.

Did I ever tell you about the most embarrassing event I have ever experienced - in a cinema?

I wonder... (1)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076375)

When I worked in a computer shop I'd get a lot of computers coming in infected with so much spyware/adware that they were struggling just to remain "idle". In just about every case I could trace the infection back to something downloaded off of limewire.

I wonder if this is just going to make that spread faster, since these darknets will compose of your friends and you'll think "Well this file must be clean, it's on my friends computer, I trust him!" Meanwhile the friend downloaded the file ("Britney spears christina aguilera lesbian teen anal blowjob threesome.mpg .exe") from the public limewire, never checked it for viruses, and didn't realize the file was anything malicious.

Re:I wonder... (1)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077313)

When I worked in a computer shop I'd get a lot of computers coming in infected with so much spyware/adware that they were struggling just to remain "idle". In just about every case I could trace the infection back to something downloaded off of limewire.

Because all the spyware executables have something like "Thanks to Limewire for timely reliable delivery" in the properties or something?

Re:I wonder... (1)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 5 years ago | (#27079075)

Because all the spyware executables have something like "Thanks to Limewire for timely reliable delivery" in the properties or something?

No, it was the executable files in their limewire downloads folders that gave it away.

Re:I wonder... (1)

sameb (532621) | more than 5 years ago | (#27079141)

The article didn't mention it, but LW5 doesn't let the user share or download programs unless he/she explicitly allows it (by changing some scary looking settings). So virus complaints with LimeWire should go way down.

Terribly dangerous in a way (2, Funny)

meist3r (1061628) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076387)

So right now we have open, public sharing infrastructure that can be arguably used for both purposes. Legal and illegal sharing. The people trying to sue users can't automatically assume that just because you're using the technology you must be a criminal. Darknets are satan's work and for terrorists only amirite? So you get caught using one of those and you're auto-screwed (interval 5sec).

This is of course adapted thinking from the way our authorities work atm.

How do we trust limewire? (1)

olddotter (638430) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076391)

Has a third party tested limewire to make sure it is safe?

Re:How do we trust limewire? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076783)

It's GPL'd

Re:How do we trust limewire? (0, Offtopic)

vtcodger (957785) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077097)

***Why do I get marked Flamebate/Troll every time I ask a question about Python?***

You think you get heat for questioning Python? Try saying something negative about Ubuntu and see what happens.

Re:How do we trust limewire? (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077565)

"Try saying something negative about Ubuntu and see what happens." /me non-nonchalantly starts his chainsaw...

Somewhat unimpressed .. (3, Insightful)

stevied (169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076405)

So basically it allows encrypted file transfers between people who are communicating on a chat / IM network? Is it me or is that not exactly a huge innovation [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:Somewhat unimpressed .. (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076657)

Yeah, that's my thought every time someone brings up a 'secure' network that relies on only talking to your friends on it. There are already -tons- of ways to get that file from someone you know. The problem that P2P solves is getting a particular file from a stranger.

Re:Somewhat unimpressed .. (4, Funny)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078065)

Is it me or is that not exactly a huge innovation?

Haven't you read other news in IT lately?

MSN msgr, Yahoo chat, ICQ, Google talk et al. all reinvented IRC each in their own mutually incompatible way. Then they added file transfer that wasn't FTP.

Web 2.0 is a reinvention of the mainframe with thin clients on dumb terminals. JavaScript is becoming a reinvention of python, except with curlies. JSON is a reinvention of XML, which is a reinvention of s-expressions.

Next up, someone's going to reinvent the business process of reinventing the wheel in slightly different and incompatible ways ("for added value", of course) and patent the method. Hey, that'd be a good use of business method patents.

Can you tell I'm bitter? ;)

Re:Somewhat unimpressed .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078159)

The huge innovation is that it actually works, even for typical users who don't know the difference between UPnP, UDP, UPS and UFC. All those funky tricks developed for P2P, like TCP connection reversal [limewire.org] and UDP hole punching [brynosaurus.com] , can be used for friend-to-friend connections too.

confidence and closed source software? (1)

GNUPublicLicense (1242094) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076587)

Are you really serious? Even with open source software, reaching a good level of confidence is *hard*. Then with closed source proprietary software... please keep a bit of common sense...

Re:confidence and closed source software? (1)

sameb (532621) | more than 5 years ago | (#27076623)

Didja know LimeWire is open source, GPL'd?

See http://limewire.org/ [limewire.org] .

Remind me of Hotline & DC (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077357)

Secure P2P with a friends list... yeah, people will be setting up those pay to play web pages where you have to get a password by signing up for a pron account in no time....

This is a step backwards in my book.

Yeah, but... (2, Insightful)

Crimson Wing (980223) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077475)

...does it still autonomously and secretly download malware in the background?

Re:Yeah, but... (1)

sameb (532621) | more than 5 years ago | (#27079005)

Uh, no. And it never did.

Frostwire (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077555)

LimeWire

I'll wait for the Frostwire release, thank you very much.

Re:Frostwire (1)

sameb (532621) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078329)

Why? FrostWire _is_ LimeWire. They take LimeWire's open-source GPL code and repackage and rename it.

Re:Frostwire (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078575)

Limewire connects to no more than 3 'supernodes' (or something like that), and if you buy Limewire Pro it will connect to 5.
Frostwire connects to 5, but you don't have to pay for it.
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