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Lars Ulrich Pirates His Own Album

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the i'm-sure-the-tags-on-this-will-be-friendly dept.

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rudeboy1 writes "Lars Ulrich, drummer for Metallica, and long time opponent of file sharing admitted to 'pirating' his own album, Death Magnetic last year. 'I sat there myself and downloaded "Death Magnetic" from the Internet just to try it,' he said. 'I was like, "Wow, this is how it works." I figured if there is anybody that has a right to download "Death Magnetic" for free, it's me.'"

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You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the RIAA (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077799)

I figured if there is anybody that has a right to download "Death Magnetic" for free, it's me.

Wrong. I'm going to apply your logic here and say that the real victims are the rest of the members of Metellica that worked hard day and night to make "Death Magnetic." You would have had to buy that in a store to get it and therefore the $18 ripoff that you avoided took money away from your bandmates who did not receive the fifteen cents they normally would have from that sale. On top of that, what about the profit your label would have made or the amounts payable to the RIAA lawyers? You have stolen something physical and real from them and they no longer have it. Those sound engineers at your studio will have to eat at Olive Garden tonight instead of Buca De Beppo.

So Ulrich's logic is that he never would have paid for this album in the first place and therefore it's ok for him to download it ... yet the many file sharers that have no intent(or in some cases the means) to pay for it are thieves?

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (5, Interesting)

Hodar (105577) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077845)

When you P2P, you not only take the data for yourself, you also help spread the data around.

So, my accessment is that I was freely 'given' the Album directly from Lars. Therefore, as I was freely given the album anonymously by one of the original artists- I didn't steal it either. That is assuming, of course, that I would bother to download his 'music'.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (5, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078267)

When you P2P, you not only take the data for yourself, you also help spread the data around.

That depends on the P2P network you use and your application. Its certainly possible to download off of some P2P networks with some clients without sharing anything.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077849)

SLAM FUCKED!

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077863)

I figured if there is anybody that has a right to download "Death Magnetic" for free, it's me.

I thought this was one of his rights as copyright-holder of the works...

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (5, Informative)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077901)

I'm pretty sure all musicians with a big contract sign their rights over to the label. Some acts in the past have actually gotten rich enough to buy back the copyright and have exclusive control over their music, but not many do.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (4, Interesting)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078055)

Some acts in the past have actually gotten rich enough to buy back the copyright and have exclusive control over their music, but not many do.

Given the age and success of Metallica, I wouldn't bet that Lars and the rest of the band don't have a firm grip on the copyrights to their songs, even if it's through a holding company like the beetles had it done.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (5, Funny)

powerslave12r (1389937) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078171)

Who're the beetles? Are they bigger than Deaf Leopard?

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078179)

Actually there are rights that cannot be sold. A musician keeps the right to "demonstrate" his own music.

As such, there are certain rights that remain Lars's, as author of the work, no matter what he signed.

I'm pretty sure listening to his own creation falls under that one. Performing it does too.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (4, Informative)

Kiaser Zohsay (20134) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078283)

Usually, your assumption would be correct, but Metallica is one of the few bands that does retain their own copyrights. This is probably why they were so vocal back in the Napster days, and why these comments from Lars are newsworthy.

I heard the interview on Eddie Trunk's XM show a couple weeks ago, and got a chuckle out of it. He could remember the name of what he used to do the download, but something he said (I don't remember exactly what) gave me the impression it was one of the bittorrent clients.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (1)

Kiaser Zohsay (20134) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078305)

s/could remember/could NOT remember/

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (2, Interesting)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077985)

I wouldn't bet that he's the copyright holder. That is usually the label.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (1)

hal9000(jr) (316943) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078181)

Dunno about music, but with books, the copyright holder is the author who licenses the rights of their work to a publisher. The contract should have language in it about how or when the rights revert back to the author.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (4, Informative)

jandrese (485) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078347)

That's not how most music contracts work though. In the music world, you pay for the production costs and touring costs and everything else and give your rights to the music away forever. In return the label will allow you access to the distribution channel (music stores, MTV, Clearchannel venues, etc...). They will also give you a loan to help with the various upfront expenses.

Presumably bands that attempt to negotiate better deals are just dropped for another less-savvy band. Only established big name acts have the leverage to demand better terms (but it was through their poor negotiation skills that they got the gig in the first place, so don't count on it).

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (5, Insightful)

moose_hp (179683) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078077)

Is his right also to enter a brick and mortar music store and leave with a phisical copy without paying for it? mind you, most music stores won't mind if it was a famous artist, but what about those pretty oscure artists that most likely the store salemen don't recognize?

This is just the artists having a double standart, "if you do it, it is illegal stealing, if I do it is my right".

Saying "oh, it's just a digital copy, not the actual physical copy" goes both ways.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (4, Informative)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078225)

Not necessarily. Ever noticed how the RIAA lawsuits always are by the record company, and never the artists? That's because the copyright for the recorded songs (denoted by a P in a circle as opposed to a C in a circle) almost always belongs to the record company. Most artists are not allowed, by their contracts, to upload "their own songs" on their own websites, for example.

The rights to the song itself, as an independent work, belongs to the composer(s) and writer(s). Different actions infringe on different rights and it's been more or less established that filesharing infringes on the record company's rights to distribute, not the artist's/composer's/writer's rights.

But I wonder if Lars knew that he most likely was seeding the album. :-)

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (1)

asilentthing (786630) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078387)

He may hold the copyright, but probably not the publishing. Plus who knows what else the label shoved into their contract?

Now, Lars could go get the copy of the masters that he has and compress that because he owns the physical media -- but downloading it via illegal means is a totally different matter.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077865)

Damn you ruined it for everyone else by making a good point against downloads :)

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077881)

Buca De Beppo isn't that fancy/exspensive.. damn, lol

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078193)

Yeah, he should have said "Carrabbas"...

Metel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078093)

Ladies and gentlemen,

The Metellica and its front drummer Lars Ulcer ! /thunderous_ovation

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (5, Funny)

travdaddy (527149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078101)

I'm going to apply a little more of Lar's logic here and say that this is like Lars walked in a music store and shoplifted the CD. No one can disagree that would be wrong, would they? Only this is far, far worse because it involves the Internet.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (2, Funny)

cellurl (906920) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078113)

Filesharing hurts the middle men only period.
Blockbuster, Netflix, Redbox.

Filesharing is like a swimming pool in your backyard.
Even though its yours, law requires a fence around it.
DVDs are a public nuisance, too easy to share, like a non-fenced pool.

The law should FORCE a fence on DVD's. Make them encrypt or something.

Please....

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (5, Funny)

meerling (1487879) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078165)

"Buca De Beppo" ??? What the heck is that? An Italian pedophilia clown?

... And Justice For All (0, Troll)

Windows_NT (1353809) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078211)

Im not sure how the copyright for music works, but i would think if you own the CD, you have a right to the music, and downloading it would be legal, because you bought the right to have it. I would also think that Lars owns a copy of Death Magnetic.
and for the whole Napster cry, get over it, Metallica stood up for what was right and im glad they did it. just like anyone else that holds a copyright or patent on something, its there to protect you, and when people bypass that and download illegally, something needs to be done.
Also, about a week after DM came out, i googled "Death magnetic CD" and the first link was a download to the whole CD.
If you dont like DM, dont buy it. Metallica Rocks, Pirating is wrong, and You suck.

Re:... And Justice For All (1)

PotatoSan (1350933) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078397)

You would think that, but you would be wrong.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (1)

sexybomber (740588) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078249)

"Those sound engineers at your studio will have to eat at Olive Garden tonight instead of Buca De Beppo."

Wait, what? You wouldn't happen to be referring to the Buca de Beppo in Albany, would you? I was unaware that Metallica's sound engineers lived here.

(Or is there more than one?)

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078293)

It's not pirating if you already have a legit copy. Not a big deal. It's just a bit less direct than ripping it himself.

Though I pirate plenty, I also do my fair share of purchasing (not to RIAA labels, but to indpendents). What people often neglect is that it costs time and money to produce any kind of entertainment output. Even if it's just a labor of love for the artists, they can't break the bank on the efforts either. It has to be justifiable to continue producing content. If you love a band, find some way to support it so that they can bring you more content to enjoy. Buy a copy of the music if it's that's good or some sort of merch or go see them live.

Re:You Have Stolen From Your Bandmates & the R (2, Interesting)

Kartoffel (30238) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078359)

Furthermore, when Lars downloaded the album by P2P, he implicated himself in any future RIAA witch hunts. Now when the recording industry thugs go after their latest batch of victims, they'll have to include Lars Ulrich in the target list.

If they don't target him just like any other poor slob on the internet, the RIAA stands to lose money. The industry works by strongarming regular folks who get caught downloading music, but when untouchable band members start clogging up the docket there's that much less money to be made by suing regular people.

Sound engineers get residuals? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078419)

Those sound engineers at your studio will have to eat at Olive Garden tonight instead of Buca De Beppo.?

I thought the sound engineers were employees. They get paid once, for their work on the recording and don't get any royalties or other residual payments, don't they?

Now let's say you, as a singer-songwriter,musician, download one of my favorite songs of yours, "Candle in the Wind". You wrote it, performed it and played the music. Since the sound engineers already got paid for their one-time work, who's getting ripped off?

Oh, sorry, you're not eltonjohn?

SWOOP! (1)

inerlogic (695302) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077809)

let's go RIAA!
get on his ass NOW!

I'm out of touch! (5, Funny)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077811)

"I'm out of touch with reality, and honestly, we killed off our fanbase when we starting whining about napster... So, hey guys! Look at me!! I'm relevant again!!! SERIOUSLY!!! I download stuff too!!"

Re:I'm out of touch! (4, Funny)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077929)

"I'm growing my hair out again too! And look, here's a video of me and Paris Hilton! I'm hip, I'm cool... *does macarena* Guys? GUYS?"

Re:I'm out of touch! (1)

that IT girl (864406) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078191)

This is the first thing I thought of too--the irony of his downloading an album after the whole Napster fiasco...

Re:I'm out of touch! (1, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078207)

we killed off our fanbase when we starting whining about napster

I think they killed their fanbase when they continued playing music after the early 90s and their fans graduated from high school. I listened to plenty of shitty music in high school, most of those bands had the decency to crawl off and die a quiet death rather than keep playing to remind me how bad their music always was.

Metalica's New Look (2, Funny)

airedalez (743328) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077815)

Instead of reinventing to look and be alternative, they are now considering the pirate theme.

Re:Metalica's New Look (4, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077907)

they are now considering the pirate theme.

NOW? Hetfield's been peppering his singing with "Yo-Ho" for so long, I don't know why there's no parrot on his shoulder yet.

Re:Metalica's New Look (4, Funny)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077927)

Thanks. Now I imagine James singing about Free Credit Report Dot Com with his pirate hat, and Lars behind him listening to the music he pirated on his iPod.

That's a long way away from the kill 'em all days. It is very sad.

Re:Metalica's New Look (2, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078029)

It's the natural progression of all music acts. You start out struggling to survive, then develop and perfect your unique sound, then sell out, then really sell out and alienate any loyal fans you may have had who liked your unique sound (which you also destroy), and then you endorse companies with misleading domain names. Just be thankful the Beatles broke up when they did, or it'd be a Hard Day's FreecreditreportDotCom.

Just think... (4, Interesting)

Moryath (553296) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077829)

if he had had any clue BEFORE he went on his insane rants, we might be in better shape and the music industry might be in better shape too.

Lars Ulrich has caused problems trying to stop new artists from entering the system and promoting their music and concerts. Oh wait, right, he's one of the few who got through the glass ceiling and has now spent the last 10 years making ever-shittier "music" [blogspot.com] while pulling the ladder up behind him.

Re:Just think... (1)

d-r0ck (1365765) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077875)

hypocrite One entry found. Main Entry: hypÂoÂcrite Listen to the pronunciation of hypocrite Pronunciation: \Ëhi-pÉ(TM)-ËOEkrit\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritÄ"s actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai Date: 13th century 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Re:Just think... (1, Troll)

omkhar (167195) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078139)

White male breaks glass ceiling in America - news at 11.

Stop making references to things you don't understand. This has nothing to do with a glass ceiling.

Re:Just think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078327)

"White male"

Wait....maybe Moryath was onto something.

The article is blocked by my proxy... (2, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078169)

So yeah, the article is blocked by work's web proxy under the category "filesharing / p2p".

The summary says he went and tried to 'pirate' his own album.

Is it safe to assume that this was just him trying to see how exactly the evil pirates are stealing his music, and that this doesn't represent any change in his position or the acquisition of some kind of clue?

Maybe We Should Thank Lars Ulrich? (2, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078223)

if he had had any clue BEFORE he went on his insane rants, we might be in better shape and the music industry might be in better shape too.

I think that's debatable and so does the article:

Of course, Napster was dead and buried a long time ago but thanks in part to Ulrich, the destruction of the service led to the creation of many others ...

For you see, once you assign a very real and tangible target to an intangible idea, you have something to work with. Someone to debate, someone to open dialogues with, someone to launch a campaign against, etc.

I saw a short documentary on Anita Bryant created by a homosexual who was thanking her and devoting the video to her hate speech against homosexuals. Now, I'm not trying to draw a comparison between homosexuals and file sharers but rather the effect it can have to assign a face to a movement or anti-movement. With a face, you have a target and while Bryant overturned the Dade county pro-homosexual ruling, she eventually made it possible to speak out against what was once this vague idea of hatred towards homosexuals that caused very real pain and suffering.

So Lars Ulrich may have made something very tangible and targetable and debatable over what was once this ethereal idea. You may want to thank him for being such a mindless rube to create a commercial showing him steal physical things from a file sharer ... as this is indeed easy logic to defeat (in file sharing, nothing physical is lost to someone). Just something to consider--without Ulrich, you may still be trying to argue against a mob of RIAA lawyers with no face or debatable ideas and the law on their side? I think we need more Ulrichs so we can start to analyze the real heart of the problem with file sharing.

Nice hyper headline (2, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077831)

Since Lars and the band perform the song(s) and probably have some rights to the song(s), he can't pirate his own work.

That's like saying a photographer who downloads a picture of one of his works from a gallery is pirating his work or an author who makes a copy of one of his own books is pirating his book.

But please, let's not let common sense get in the way of people justifying not paying performers for their work.

Re:Nice hyper headline (2, Insightful)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077967)

Since Lars and the band perform the song(s) and probably have some rights to the song(s), he can't pirate his own work.

Well, mabye they signed away their rights? In some jurisdictions there are some rights you can't sign away, but there might be others were you can sign away anything. And, as someone mentioned before me, isn't he depriving the other band members of their income even if the band as a whole has every right?

Of course, I don't see anything wrong in that he downloaded it, I just try to reason about what the law might think.

Re:Nice hyper headline (2, Informative)

tiananmen tank man (979067) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078001)

The assumption you have made is that the content creators hold the copyright to their works. In reality, many content creators sell their works to middle men.

Re:Nice hyper headline (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078097)

And it assumes that he is the only content creator. Even if he does still hold the copyright and hasn't signed it away then he isn't the only content creator in a Metallica album, so he's still 'stealing' the work of the other band members.

Re:Nice hyper headline (1)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078045)

He used the same file sharing services he has been railing against for years to download a copy of an album that was presumably being shared illegally. Furthermore, the article seems to imply that the file sharing client already existed on the computer at his house, which would mean he may well have downloaded other albums in the past.

Remember, when someone does something they know is wrong, and starts justifying it by saying they were drinking with friends, and it was the only time they've ever done it, and they can't remember what tool they used to do it, chances are good they've actually done the same thing repeatedly in the past.

Of course, the fact that he talks about how bizarre and weird it was as if he was talking about his first trip to Mars may indicate that he's so hopelessly out of touch that he's been fighting for 10 years against something he doesn't understand at all. Neither possibility is particularly flattering to him.

Re:Nice hyper headline (1)

shadow349 (1034412) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078255)

Since Lars and the band perform the song(s) and probably have some rights to the song(s), he can't pirate his own work.

Too bad no one told Saul Zaentz [wikipedia.org] that.

Re:Nice hyper headline (2, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078317)

Lars is part of, but not all of, Metallica. I believe it's actually Metallica, Inc., or maybe a partnership. Also, there are likely intermediate parties such as the record company and so on whose rights are undermined even by one person who holds a songwriting copyright downloading the song. There are other rights in the final, released recording of a song beyond the songwriting credit.

Well... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077839)

Wonder if he was as let down by it as I was! What a waste of time+bandwidth

Easy one for RIAA (5, Interesting)

houghi (78078) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077841)

He admitted to be downloading it. This means he was also uploading it.

Either he uploaded it illegal and must pay 10 gazillion in fines, or he is not guilty and he was allowed to distribute it and this means everybody who connected with him did so with him agreeing.

Most likely he did not have the rights himself and he can be fined as much as he ownes and then some

Re:Easy one for RIAA (4, Informative)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077899)

It only means he was uploading it if he was using BitTorrent. Article doesn't specify.

Re:Easy one for RIAA (1)

outZider (165286) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078199)

BitTorrent is not the only P2P protocol.

Quality since the Black Album. (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078247)

He admitted to be downloading it. This means he was also uploading it.

Either he uploaded it illegal and must pay 10 gazillion in fines, or he is not guilty and he was allowed to distribute it and this means everybody who connected with him did so with him agreeing.

Most likely he did not have the rights himself and he can be fined as much as he ownes and then some

Even if this somehow made it to court and they settled and said that now the new album is free to download, I probably still wouldn't do it. They haven't put out a complete album worthy of listening to from beginning to end since Justice for All.

INTARWEB BAAAAD! (3, Funny)

AcquaCow (56720) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077847)

F'ing Metallicops, go!

Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077853)

Lars, is that you? Oh, yeah... it actually is this time.

Heh (4, Funny)

catbertscousin (770186) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077903)

Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.

Re:Heh (5, Funny)

pzs (857406) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078175)

For some reason this summons up images of Darth Vader trying to cram a cookie through his face-plate thing.

Re:Heh (1)

PinkyDead (862370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078231)

Bollox we do. Some bastard stole them.

I hate being on the Dark Side.

How wrong can you be (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077925)

By stealing this song, rather than purchasing it through retail, he has stolen revenue from AT LEAST the following people:

a) The label
b) The store
c) Marketing
d) Hauliers

He is STEALING FROM THEM.

Re:How wrong can you be (1)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078273)

By stealing this song, rather than purchasing it through retail, he has stolen revenue from AT LEAST the following people:

a) The label b) The store c) Marketing d) Hauliers

He is STEALING FROM THEM.

e) The bankers

Oop. Sorry.

*slinks away with his had under his shirt.*

2 words (3, Informative)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077935)

Fuck Metallica.

Re:2 words (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078071)

"Fuck Metallica." Damn groupies. Thats your solution for everything.

Making available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27077937)

And how many dozens or hundreds could have connected to his swarm while he was online? Clearly he is guilty of distributing pirated material too.

Why He Did It (1)

warrior (15708) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077953)

He did it b/c he couldn't figure out how to get the Guitar Hero version onto his PC himself. He was fed up with the static-laden "loudness war" version that's on the audio compact disc and this was his only avenue.

At least that's what I'd like to think as it's the funniest scenario in my mind.

Re:Why He Did It (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078351)

That would make more sense if he wasn't the one waging the loudness war on this album. Apparently he and James quelled anyone's suggestions to do anything but compress the shit out of every track in mastering.

Metallica's upcoming new album (4, Funny)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077977)

Master of Pirates

Wrong. (5, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#27077997)

"I figured if there is anybody that has a right to download "Death Magnetic" for free, it's me."

Now, I haven't read your contract with the record label, Lars, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that, no, you do not have the right to download the music. Your record label probably controls the digital distribution rights of the music contained in that album and, unless you got their permission, you don't have that right. Remember the war you waged for the past several years? That's what was at the core of that fight.

But, like I said, I haven't read your contract so I might be mistaken.

Re:Wrong. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078151)

Actually, just so happens that...
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/11/25/free-of-record-contract-lars-ulrich-considers-internet-album-release/

Long link and ad-heavy site short, "What recording contract?".

Re:Wrong. (4, Insightful)

cabjf (710106) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078265)

Well, he did say if anyone has the right to, he does. Unless his label is a sole proprietorship, I doubt there is any one person from the label who has that right. So being the creator and performer, I would say he'd be at the top of this imaginary list of people who should be allowed to download the album for free. But the point is moot as there most likely is no one with the right to download it for free.

As punishment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078005)

He should have to pound himself in the ass in federal prison.

I know there are technical issues but perhaps the Superjail people might have a solution.

I understand completely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078035)

I'm Peter North, and I frequently download porn.

Re:I understand completely (1)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078315)

I'm Peter North, and I frequently download porn.

Oh please, like he'd do that! A porn star downloading porn would be like a programmer reading Slashdot!

Never mind.

Boring. (5, Insightful)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078047)

I mean, if he'd had some insight or something this might've been interesting, but all he did was download his own album, call the process bizarre, and.. nothing.

He could have commented on how fantastically easy it was and how that ease makes it a huge temptation and had some kind of ..thing to say.. about that..

But it's just several paragraphs of fluff about how he gets together with friends to drink wine and click about web pages*, but only just now** tried to find out about something they've been railing against..

*which, frankly, doesn't exactly sound very Metal to me...

**and by now, I mean a year ago, of course...

d20 rolled.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078057)

HIPPO CRIT!

I thought even he knew it's wrong? (2, Funny)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078069)

Fuck you Lars (5, Insightful)

Taibhsear (1286214) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078089)

You're a douchebag and a hypocrite.

I haven't purchased a Metallica album since The Black Album and will never again. (Granted that was the last decent one they had...) You damn near single handedly spearheaded this RIAA anti-filesharing war. Out of spite and general boycott I do not listen to my old Metallica CDs, nor do I have any of them encoded to my computer. I refuse to go to your absurdly overpriced concerts. I will not download or share your music, not because of "piracy" but because I refuse to give any publicity to you or your whining old man bandmates. The "piracy" that you crusaded against made you what you are today. And here you are, yet again, showing what a fucking hypocrite you are and missing the entire fucking point of your previous arguments against file sharing. Peoples' lives have been financially ruined and had their education hampered or destroyed by your asinine crusade while you sit untouchable on your golden throne in your mansion. Fuck you Lars, and fuck you Metallica. Bite my shiney Metal-head ass.

I still haven't forgiven him... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078091)

...for libelling me (and every other napster user) as a thief.

It doesn't matter that I only ever used napster for legitimate purposes, he used his very public position to label and insult me.

It's time that he admitted that he screwed up and apologized to legitimate napster users and then maybe I'll consider once again spending some of my hard earned cash on Metallica albums or tickets. They haven't had a penny out of me since 2001. Yes, Lars, I was a fan for 15 years but just walked away when you insulted me.

Obviously this will never happen as by doing so Lars would probably open himself up to some kind of lawsuit and his lawyer will advise against it. So be it.

Apparently I haven't missed much in the past 8 years anyway.

Full user experience (5, Funny)

Dmala (752610) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078105)

After downloading it, he actually listened to the album and was like, "Wow, what a complete pile of crap! These guys suck!"

Bandwidth (1)

Povno (1460131) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078117)

In the article Lars is quoted as saying, "So we sat there and thirty minutes later I had 'Death Magnetic' in my computer."
You'd think he could afford a better connection for a than that... even with all the "pirates" stealing his paycheck.

WTG Lars! (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078123)

Welcome to 1996!

Cuff im boys (1)

aikodude (734998) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078137)

<Wiggum>Cuff 'im boys. We're puttin' this dirtbag away!</Wiggum>

Lead by Example much? (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078189)

Nice way to lead by example there, Lars. After this move, I never want to even hear of your name being muttered in a courtroom ever again, unless it's me being called as a witness in the trial against you brought on by the RIAA.

Ever think that just because you think you have the right to download it still doesn't make the action anything but illegal?

In the immortal words of Red Forman, You Dumbass.

Aye right... (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078205)

Are we seriously expected to believe this is the only time Lars Ulrich has *ever* downloaded anything illegally from filesharing networks? Really? Because if you believe that, I've got this nice bridge you might be interested in...

It's time for the RIAA to go after Lars (1)

holden caufield (111364) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078235)

Just like John Fogerty was sued for writing songs that sounded too much like songs written by...John Fogerty

Lars serves up latest album - Free to the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078245)

If he downloaded it with BT, Limewire or other similar services, he was also distributing it for free at the same time.

If so, does that mean anyone pinched for d/l it can now argue before a jury that Ulrich was fine with giving away that album for free, that he helped distribute it over whatever service he used? That is "Heavy". (Unlike Metallica since the Black Album.)

Dear god... (1)

detox.method() (1413497) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078275)

Not even the word "irony" does justice here...

Oh, I get it! (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078303)

It's like bronzy or coppery, except it's made of iron!

Not Worth It (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078333)

I already replied to this thread but this deserves another one - the irony of this situation is simply too rich. I love the fact that Lars recognizes that Metallica's recent "music" is worthless. They used to be relevant, making some of the best rock music out there (their Black album is still one of the finer metal albums ever recorded) but they haven't produced anything worth paying for in the last decade. Good to see he agrees.

"whoa, you downloaded pirate music? (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078337)

dude, you're so subversive

hey, wanna go hang out behind the school and listen to beebop music and elvis? that stuff is the work of the devil!

lars, you are truly hardcore, you are so metal"

seriously, this guy's attitude? compare it to the general attitude of gee, i dunno, maybe the general attitude of the fans of HEAVY METAL SUBCULTURE?

what next?

a fixture of outlaw biker culture complaining about loud noise?

an icon of surfer dude culture complaining about sun exposure?

what a douche (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078339)

this guy is such a douche. He is a complete douche bag. So douchey that he smells like vinegar.

Oh. Ok. (1)

Boarder2 (185337) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078365)

Tell me why I should care again?

SOFA KING WE TODDED (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078373)

Thats what you P2P'ers are.

      Lets look at your logic

the /tard says- "your album sucks but I am stealing anyway in fact everything should be free because I am a spoiled little fuck who loves collectivism/communism/socialism and cant wait until the product of my labor is then mass distributed without being compensated...

In fact it probably already has been and I am the one who all at once is unemployed or soon to be for having wished for and then practiced this shoplifters paradise free for all and ushered in the economic abyss of FREE...despite the economic depression now upon us as you see and since I am only a button pusher and cant create anything that cant be downloaded for free, my future is slipping away by my own hand and I only have myself to blame for allowing one of the few industries left, digital media, to be raped plundered and pillaged by the likes of others like me...adn all for music and software I espouse as garbage

Thats how fucked up my logic and resulting morality is

Pardon me while I download for free some more and Atlas pounds me in the ass some more and I smile and laugh all the while"

Signed a /tard

P.S. If anyone has the right to download it for free, its the owner of said intellectual property you fucking dipshits, now get back to your soon to be gone job

Signed Atlas

I bet he didn't seed (1)

Kartoffel (30238) | more than 5 years ago | (#27078383)

When you download without seeding, you're downloading with Hitler!

Ha-Ha. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27078413)

I'm mildly surprised that with this act of piracy, the universe didn't implode into a giant singularity of douchiness.

With one of the authors having exposed it for free download, I could make an argument that the album's now in the public domain.

He probably licensed the rights to the label, which would also put him in breach of that contract for making it available for download.

Oh, and he's a whiny, sandy, vag, too.

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