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Hulu Again Removed From Boxee and Again Added Back

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the hope-you're-happy-now dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "In a mouse and cat game, Hulu the popular online content provider of shows, movies, and more has blocked Boxee yet again from accessing the Hulu content from the Boxee application. Just as Boxee added RSS feeds to include Hulu content, Hulu responded with blocking Boxee users from accessing the content via RSS feeds the very same day. RSS feeds are publicly available and it's really disappointing to hear that a site would block certain applications from accessing their content in such a manner. I would assume that the Boxee development team is currently working on disguising its browser to look like Firefox, Internet Explorer, or some other known browser in an attempt to fool Hulu."

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220 comments

The explanation is simple (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108225)

They're aliens.

And that's how they roll.

Re:The explanation is simple (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109083)

The moderators don't have a TV you insensitive bastard.

Turing word: lacking
In a sentence: Today's group of moderators is not lacking in lackwits.

Actually, they are aliens (3, Insightful)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109233)

Conventional wisdom tells us that the best conspiracies are completely in the open. People never suspect because they figure a real conspiracy would try to hide itself.

So if the owners of Hulu are in fact aliens, this is exactly the sort of ad campaign they would run.

Hm. Guess we're screwed.

(So let's just hope they're abundantly stupid like the aliens in Signs [wikipedia.org] and never take into account the fact that if water kills you on contact, maybe you shouldn't invade a planet covered in mostly water, inhabited by beings made of mostly water. HTF did that movie ever get past the script stage?)

Re:Actually, they are aliens (4, Funny)

kiddygrinder (605598) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109499)

That movie would have been 1000% better if they'd tried to invade on a rainy day.

Re:Actually, they are aliens (1)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109573)

Fortunately for them and the script writers... an the day they invaded, there was absolutely no rain anywhere on Earth.

Update = duplicate? (0, Redundant)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108231)

Did we really need a whole new article for this?

Couldn't it have just been added as an update to the original posted the same day?

Re:Update = duplicate? (2)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108873)

who reads stories twice here when they're that far apart? I think we even need a third article that explains why eactly hulu blocked them. I don't really get it. What's up Hulu's ass? They're loading their website, so what, get over it.

Hayche Tee Tee Pee (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108255)

Oh dear [goatse.fr]

Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (3, Informative)

Manip (656104) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108273)

Claiming that "Boxee" is like a browser's RSS feed is totally misleading. The software package cuts out the entire site, the adverts, etc and repackages it as almost its own material (with a small source icon).

How would you feel if someone hot-linked your content, consumed your bandwidth, and gave you no advertising revenue in exchange?

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108293)

I'd feel like a damn idiot for momentarily forgetting how the Internet works and for trying to have a lawyer solve an engineer's problem.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (2, Interesting)

mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108347)

It's not an engineer's problem entirely. No matter how they engineer it, someone can possibly scrape their streams, and serve them to the user utilizing the provider's bandwidth.

So they can and shold get their lawyers involved to take action and stop the blatant copyright infringment (framing someone else's content in your own site is a case of infringement, except when you're authorized to do it [implicitly and otherwise], and you do it in the manner so authorized).

There is a possible solution though: inject the ads into the video itself, so they can't be separated.

Make the videos 'dynamic' flash videos, so the advertising can't really be removed without modifying a .SWF file.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Insightful)

wastedlife (1319259) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108639)

There is a possible solution though: inject the ads into the video itself, so they can't be separated. Make the videos 'dynamic' flash videos, so the advertising can't really be removed without modifying a .SWF file.

Hey, you just described exactly how it works. There is no copyright infringement going on here. Boxee is not a web site, it is a media center application. Hulu allows embedding of their videos. They have ads in the video stream. Boxee basically just embeds the video, ads and all, into the application so that it can be played on your computer screen or TV with a simple interface.

If I recall correctly, Hulu originally provided code to help Boxee display Hulu content. So why the change of heart? I read some speculation somewhere that Hulu is actually being pressured by the content owners to stop Boxee because there is less advertising revenue from web streaming than there is for live TV. Since people use boxee to play videos on their TV and not a computer screen, the content owners feel they are losing out. What I don't think they understand is that you can watch Hulu's videos using your computer on your TV with or without Boxee.

No speculation necessary (5, Informative)

nova_ostrich (774466) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108937)

Jason Kilar, CEO of Hulu, admitted on the company's blog that the content owners demanded that Boxee stop displaying Hulu content [hulu.com] .

Re:No speculation necessary (1)

pyite (140350) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109397)

Jason Kilar, CEO of Hulu, admitted on the company's blog that the content owners demanded that Boxee stop displaying Hulu content.

Then I will have no remorse when traditional content producers die an albeit slow death. I'll continue to watch content I record with my DVR (and fast forward through commercials), I'll continue to download content via torrents (where there aren't any commercials), and I won't watch content with Hulu, where, ironically, I was willing to watch commercials.

Die, die, die. Long live TWiT [twit.tv] , Revision3 [revision3.com] , and Wine Library TV [winelibrary.com] . Just like music publishers gave into getting rid of DRM, every other industry will be forced to get rid of ridiculous restrictions or they will meet their end.

Re:No speculation necessary (4, Insightful)

kent_eh (543303) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109429)

content owners demanded that Boxee stop displaying Hulu content

*shrug*
If they don't want me to watch their content, I have no problem obliging them.

And since Hulu is only available in one country in the world (not the one where I live) I guess there's a lot of their precious content that I won't be watching. Doesn't bother me, I've managed to survive this long without it.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109533)

It's still a retarded move though; hulu and similar services have been drawing people away from "pirated"[sic] content and back to revenue-generating content, and now that it is hitting critical mass the content owners are shooting themselves in the foot. The folks at Hulu seem caught in the middle. Who are the losers? Both consumers and Hulu.

What content producers, software producers, and so forth are STILL failing to realize is that they are making the "pirated"[sic]/counterfeit product MORE valuable than the real thing because the "pirated"[sic] content is invariably not crippled by DRM.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

nametaken (610866) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109653)

I wouldn't have thought this was true until I realized it happened for me. I started using PlayOn to watch Hulu content on the XBox and big ol' plasma tv.

After a couple weeks I realized I hadn't had a compelling reason to download anything from my usual sources. In the meantime they got to advertise to me just like on TV. Fewer commercials so I mind them less.

I wish they'd all stop pissing and moaning and just recognize that this model is a GREAT transitional one between TV and wherever we're headed.

Charge more for the ad space if you have to. Maybe charge a couple $'s a month for aggregators like Hulu. Whatever has to happen, but figure it out because the world is heading this way anyway. It's just a question of whether you want to fight it or make a couple bucks at it... like NetFlix. ;)

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (3, Insightful)

Antimatter3009 (886953) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109679)

What content producers, software producers, and so forth are STILL failing to realize is that they are making the "pirated"[sic]/counterfeit product MORE valuable than the real thing because the "pirated"[sic] content is invariably not crippled by DRM.

I think they realize what they're doing, and I think they know the consequences. Right now they have content that generates different revenue in different forms. TV is the highest, the internet is lower, and pirated is zero. They were losing some viewers to piracy before, so they countered with Hulu. Now they're losing more viewers from TV to the other two. By limiting Hulu, some portion of the people affected will resort to piracy, but I think they're betting on some portion resorting to plain old TV.

How the various content owners think is much easier to understand if you view it from their perspective. They want to make as much money as possible. They only care about how many viewers they have so far as it makes them more money. I'd bet that they think they're increasing revenue with this move, even if they decrease legal viewership. If we're lucky, they're wrong. Otherwise, this will continue.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109275)

you got it. Hulu WILL NOT WIN. They cant. The Boxee and XBMC hackers outnumber them 30 to 1 and they have far more talented programmers than Hulu could even hope to hire. Sorry, but it's the simple truth. They are making a lot of guys itch and they also like the challenge.

I get a kick out of how the boxee plugin is getting all kinds of press, while the XBMC plugin has been disguising it's self as IE 7 for quite a while now in the Daily builds.

Hulu, you might as well give up. The Boxee plugin will turn rogue and you cant sue those that you cant find.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108581)

I'm pretty sure this article is about how they are having the engineers solve this "engineer's problem". Yes?

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1, Informative)

mc1138 (718275) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108299)

An excellent point, Hulu is able to to what it does because of throwing in a few ads, often fewer than what you would see on normal network TV. Having programs that strip this stuff out could cause problems down the road for Hulu with content providers.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Informative)

Sparks23 (412116) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108743)

Except Boxee didn't strip the commercials from Hulu. I used to watch Hulu in the browser in the beta days, and then later in Boxee. I saw the same ads inlaid in the show whether I watched on the site or via Boxee. The difference was that Boxee had better UI for browsing the programs, and that Boxee's method of reading the stream gave me considerably better framerate/performance than trying to view full-screen in Flash on the site did.

In other words, Boxee was a great deal more usable for me as a viewer, and I saw all the same commercials I did as a user of the website. (Hulu doesn't do sidebar advertising, their adverts are in the programs themselves where ad-breaks would normally be.)

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109005)

Actually Hulu does have traditional ads on the video pages as well, but I'd imagine that they're considerably less lucrative than the ones injected in the videos.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (2, Informative)

ximenes (10) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109427)

The only advertising that I've noticed is the little banner that appears in the upper right corner, which in my experience is always for the same product shown during the in-video ads.

I guess Hulu's recommended video listings could be considered ads as well, since they're intended to drive you to other Hulu video offerings rather than just watching whatever afterwards, as you would be more likely to do with Boxee.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109561)

Honestly, if there is any additional advertising on Hulu it is so unobtrusive that I've never used it. I don't run adblockers (although some news sites are so obnoxious I should install one) because I recognize that advertising revenue is what pays for "free" content. If the advertising revenue disappears, eventually so will the content.

However, given the situation where the ads are embedded in the streams, it's foolish to block Boxee. All Boxee does is drive more viewers to the content.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108313)

Yeah! And every time you fast-forward through commercials you're STEALING!

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108563)

Or violating the DMCA by circumventing. From Sec. 1201 (a)(1)(A):

No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title...

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (4, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109567)

However, you CAN bypass DRM for the purpose of interoperability. Want to watch media on Boxee? You now fall under the requirements for the clause which allows defeating/bypassing the DRM.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Interesting)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108333)

"How would you feel if someone hot-linked your content, consumed your bandwidth, and gave you no advertising revenue in exchange?"

Probably like a person with a very broken business model, but that's just me.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0, Troll)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108489)

"How would you feel if someone hot-linked your content, consumed your bandwidth, and gave you no advertising revenue in exchange?"

Probably like a person with a very broken business model, but that's just me.

I agree! The same goes for banks! They obviously have a broken business model, so I thought, well, since they're not lending money, I'll just go in and cut them out and help myself!

Fucking FBI! They didn't understand that I was doing the country a service by updating the banking system!

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (3, Insightful)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108597)

Probably like a person with a very broken business model, but that's just me.

Then your solution is what? Hula should shut down completely instead of just excluding Boxee? How does that help anyone?

If you park your car downtown with the windows rolled down and the keys in the ignition, you may be an idiot. But the guy who takes it is still a thief. And the quiet little towns where nobody will take it... those are treasures.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108947)

I'd like to point out that this isn't because people in quiet little towns are necessarily honest or upstanding people, it's because you can't do anything without the entire town knowing about it. And probably a bunch of people gathering to beat seven kinds of hell out of anyone who tries it.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1, Troll)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108989)

"If you park your car downtown with the windows rolled down and the keys in the ignition, you may be an idiot. But the guy who takes it is still a thief. And the quiet little towns where nobody will take it... those are treasures."

So copying is theft? How distorted.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109421)

how distorted says the retarded individual who lives in a utopia with pink prancing ponies frolicking with butterflies under multiple rainbows.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (2, Insightful)

coolsnowmen (695297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109467)

-Did the Parent say that?! no. It is an analogy.

-I'm not sure what part of hulu you arn't getting. They provide a service but are at the mercy of the content providers. They have no business without them, but they do have one without boxee. So when content providers say "don't let boxee use hulu", hulu listenes, whether they want to or not.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (3, Informative)

antibryce (124264) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109301)

Boxee doesn't remove any ads. You see the exact same Hulu ads you would see if you went to their website.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109307)

If you park your car downtown with the windows rolled down and the keys in the ignition, you may be an idiot. But the guy who takes it is still a thief.

Ah, I can tell you don't live in San Francisco. A few months of living here and you'd find that smash & grab is the rule, no one is punished for it, and that you're a dumbass if you thinking anything in your car is safe. My friend who's lived here for 8 or 9 years doesn't lock her car doors because she doesn't want to pay for another new window. It's pretty much the utopia that a lot of /.ers want: illegally acquiring something of value for free with no significant chance of repercussions.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109317)

YOU CANT STEAL WHAT IS FREELY GIVEN TO YOU.

Why cant you people get that through your heads??

Boxee did nothing but showed the EXACT SAME CONTENT in a better UI. Commercials all were there.

Just because some low IQ moron says something is not to his liking, it does not make it illegal or wrong. Whomever said that Boxee was stealing anything is a complete and utter moron that really needs to be killed so that he does not cause the rest of us to become dumber simply from his existence.

This is the Crux. Hulu said , "no more boxee" because some really really REALLY stupid executive at some content provider that Hulu does nto have the balls to name said they did not like it.

Only the incredibly low IQ people think that boxee was stealing anything. These same people think that Best buy employees are highly educated and know what they are talking about.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0, Troll)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109715)

There is no point in arguing. Guys like the parent just think everything should be given to him for free, at the same time he expects his boss at work to pay his paycheck on time and get annual raises no matter what his performance is like. He will only accept B2B business models were the customer is not directly effected by this. Advertising is pure evil and attempts to make it better for him is just more evil. His view of the world is based on the Dot Com error economics of yea we are selling at a loss but we will make it up in volume. Combined with very basic knowledge of how things really costs and misunderstanding numbers cause products to be more expensive then people think.

There is no changing his mind. He probably lives in his moms basement where everything is given for free anyways and cash that he makes goes straight to toys.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108371)

The software package cuts out the entire site, the adverts, etc and repackages it as almost its own material (with a small source icon).

What do youy mean "the entire site"? It's RSS, not HTML. There's no "entire site" for Boxee to display.

Now I'm not familiar with Boxee or with Hulu's RSS feed, so I cannot comment on the specifics, but, unless Boxee is actually modifying the contents of the RSS feed, it seems to me that Hulu are acting like jerks.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (2, Insightful)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108591)

Now I'm not familiar with Boxee or with Hulu's RSS feed

So... you have no idea what you're talking about, but you won't let that stop you?

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (3, Funny)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108625)

It's never stopped anyone else...

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Insightful)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108781)

You're quite welcome to miss the point, if you like. Who am I to stop you if such a thing makes you feel better?

On the other hand... if you'd rather understand what it is I'm actually saying, you should take note of the fact that RSS is meant for content syndication and is meant to be interpreted as a set of individual items, while a web page is meant to be displayed as a whole. Unless Boxee is stripping the RSS content itself, its use is consistent with the purpose of an RSS feed. That's my point.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (2, Insightful)

Firehed (942385) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109049)

Now I'm not familiar with Boxee or with Hulu's RSS feed, so I cannot comment on the specifics, but, unless Boxee is actually modifying the contents of the RSS feed, it seems to me that Hulu are acting like jerks.

Well, you might want to look into that. Hulu's RSS just links to the hulu.com page where you can watch and provides a little information about the show (rating, run-time, etc.). Boxee is (presumably) following that link and then page-scraping the video into their own interface. I hear that there are significant performance improvements by using Boxee's player over Hulu's so they may be scraping the video stream directly rather than just embedding the player in a different interface, but in either case the video definitely isn't coming in directly through the feed.

Just so I don't have to respond to your other response: yes, RSS is meant for content syndication. Hulu (and/or its corporate sponsors) have decided to syndicate the link to watch the show as well as some metadata, and are not syndicating the show itself. It's very much akin to a TV Guide - it tells you where to go and how to watch, but you can't watch the show from the little booklet.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (2, Insightful)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109477)

I see. So rather than a straight presentation of the RSS feed, Boxee is taking the RSS feed and using that to figure out which videos to embed?

I can see how such use of the RSS feed might be seen as questionable, but aren't they still embedding the videos according to Hulu's own embed code? The original poster complained about missing ads, but if Boxee is embedding videos according to Hulu's own standards for third-party embedding then I still can't see much wrong with what they're doing.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Insightful)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108427)

Seeing as hulu lets you embed their content [bustercollings.com] like youtube, it is strange if their objection is that in-site ads are being skipped. (And are we back to the AdBlock extension == theft argument?)

Otherwise, I assume the ads embedded in the video are still be played.

The only reasons I can imagine for Hulu to wat to block Boxee are (1) ignorance of their own profit model (2) planning to release their own hardware box, or else partner with someone else in order to get the same vertical monopoly going.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

nametaken (610866) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109759)

Content owners are leaning on Hulu to block boxee clients. Simple as that.

Have you even used Boxee??? (5, Informative)

wastedlife (1319259) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108451)

Boxee does not strip out the ads. It is still the same video stream, boxee just gives a remote-friendly interface to the media. It is no different than watching Hulu in full screen with your computer plugged into a TV. Hulu allows embedding into another website just like Youtube and other media sites, so how is embedding into the Boxee media player any different?

Also, Hulu's ads are played in the video. How are they being deprived of advertising revenue?

Re:Have you even used Boxee??? (1)

nova_ostrich (774466) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108997)

I imagine that the content owners aren't quite sure how Internet TV can be most profitable yet. I doubt they make much from advertising through Internet streaming compared to the traditional TV market. In a knee-jerk reaction, they're saying that if you're going to watch their shows on a TV (which Boxee obviously lets you do), then you should do it with the full set of commercials, rather than the one or two that get displays with the on-demand Internet streams. For the time being, TV streaming through a browser is probably considered a hassle for most viewers, so they have to make up for it with fewer advertisements. Boxee takes away the hassle (and in many cases, makes things BETTER than traditional TV), so content providers think they're getting ripped off again. In short, they're trying to insert the maximum amount of annoyance viewers will tolerate, and Boxee is screwing it all up! How dare they.

One word. Branding. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109165)

Branding is very important in the advertising arena. If you want people to buy advertising from you, and to increase the popularity of your service, you must get your name out there and associated with your product. Boxee using Hulu's service gives a small source icon, and that's it. That means that advertisers are more likely to approach Boxee, than Hulu for advertisements if Boxee ever chose to offer that service. Even if they never offer advertising, that extra step in the referral process is likely to cause deminished advertising revenue for Hulu.

Short answer: Boxee should have gotten permission. If they don't, then while it is, or should be legal to use Hulu's content in this manner (as long as they show the correct source,) they will have to "put up" with Hulu's attempts to disable it.

This isn't even to mention the fact that I would like less annoying ads in the actual stream, which if Hulu allows Boxee to do this, are only likely to increase.

Re:One word. Branding. (3, Insightful)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109483)

How do you explain that hulu lets you embed their videos on any web page you choose, just like youtube does?

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

Fritzed (634646) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108715)

Boxee does NOT strip out the ads for any of the content that you view through it. In fact, when you opened the Hulu plugin with Boxee, it even provided the same cycling flash ad as you see when you load Hulu.com.

The only difference between using Boxee and going to the Hulu site directly is the way you navigate which shows and episodes are available. There are no ads at all on Hulu when navigating the lists of available programing.

It is also worth noting that Hulu provides the ability to embed their videos into any site. This is effectively what Boxee did but their site was designed specifically to be navigated using a remote with the Boxee interface.

The reason that Hulu's content providers want them to block Boxee is simply because they cannot/will not graps the concept that internet video is slowly replacing regular broadcast.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0, Offtopic)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108737)

How would you feel if someone hot-linked your content, consumed your bandwidth, and gave you no advertising revenue in exchange?

Attracting my attention to your particular little problem is the product. The content is the advertisement for the product. The bandwidth is justified because reaching into someone elses mind and affecting it with what you create and publish is the reward.

If reaching other people with your creation is not your goal, if you consider that aspect of the exchange meaningless, if the only reason you publish is so you can bait a hook and sell influence to a third party, then you should get the hell out of the business. You're an antisocial bastard who doesn't deserve a dime, and you don't deserve to have people pay the slightest bit of attention to the crap you're peddling.

Personally, I think taking money for advertising is tantamount to fraud and people who do it should be systematically punished.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (2, Insightful)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109099)

Interesting theory. Please, let me know when you develop a means to pay the bills with your lofty ideals, it sounds much more fulfilling than selling out the way everyone else does.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (5, Interesting)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109237)

Interesting theory. Please, let me know when you develop a means to pay the bills with your lofty ideals, it sounds much more fulfilling than selling out the way everyone else does.

You mean like when my girlfriend releases digital copies under creative commons, allows book publishers, music publishers and event promoters to use her images free with attribution, and then sells the original works of acrylic painted on canvas in higher volume and for higher prices? Works real well... gets a lot of commissioned pieces for murals, does live paintings of performers at raves and spoken word events and festivals, the list goes on.

It's called dealing with the realities of the world. Sell what is naturally scarce and share what is naturally plentiful as wide and far as you can, and people will come knock on your door. Now, contrast that with a business model whose entire existence relies on the continuation of wildly unpopular and wasteful legal structures that treat bits on a wire as though they were carrots dug out of your garden. Who is the idealist here?

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108761)

Hulu allows the embedding of their videos on other websites, and Boxee does not strip out the commercials. Hulu is not taking a financial hit from people watching videos on Boxee.

Either you are clueless, or lying through your teeth.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108973)

I'd realize that my content is online and therefore available to anyone and just say what the hell. If it created a problem for me then I'd realize I had a stupid business model or had some technical flaws and make changes.

Ad supported content that keeps you from being comfortable in your access of that content is a bad model. Instead of fighting Boxee why not work on a solution such as streaming ads into the content?

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (1)

SilentChasm (998689) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109709)

It already had ads in the streamed videos, which Boxee did display.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109003)

The best part about this is that the above apparently incorrect comment has been noticed and mentioned in the latest techfragments article linked from TFA.

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0, Redundant)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109015)

Does it still show the commercials that pop up during the video?

Re:Boxee is not like RSS in a browser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109109)

That's funny, you sound like you are gainfully (for now) employed by one of these so-called content providers. Have you even used Boxee? Ads are still in the video stream. It's like... watching TV. Where is the motivation to copy the content when I can readily access it on-demand anyways? Those who are using this technology are well aware of where the content is coming from. No one is being scammed or defrauded of their content rights. Hulu already allows you to link directly to content so I don't think that is the true issue. As long as they get their ad views and ad revenue, what do they care?

Time to wake up and smell the coffee. Change is coming whether you like it or not.

Stop telling companies how to operate. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108283)

Honestly, I don't know the full history of this story, nor how exactly Hulu works. So maybe I'm missing something, but why should Hulu allow other content providers to display its content? I'm so sick and tired of geeks' complaining every time a service isn't offered with 100% open and free APIs. If you live in a country that operates on the capitalist system, you're a damn hypocrite if you think companies should just roll over and let their content be used without their consent.

If I provide an RSS feed for my users that points back to videos on my site, that doesn't give other companies the right to rip the content to their own service.

Re:Stop telling companies how to operate. (1)

bytethese (1372715) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108387)

I think you forgot to include your signature: "This message brought to you by Hulu executives."

Re:Stop telling companies how to operate. (5, Informative)

wastedlife (1319259) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108499)

There is no "ripping" of content. Hulu lets you embed their videos into another website. Their ads are in the video. Boxee just provides an interface to play the video with it streaming from hulu. If you are wondering why you need another interface, realize that Boxee is a Media Center app. It is streamlined to be controlled with a remote and its main function is playing your own content. Adding hulu into the mix gives you the ability to watch hulu's content legally without having to navigate with a normal web browser. The price you pay is you watch the normal Hulu ads. Sounds like free advertising for Hulu to me.

Boxee? (3, Funny)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108367)

I blame 4Chan. [encycloped...matica.com]

End result = No more RSS (3, Insightful)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108375)

This will result in us just losing the RSS openness of Hulu. Currently, their shows can be embedded in other webpages. They'll probably end up having to remove this too.

Re:End result = No more RSS (1)

iYk6 (1425255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108763)

If Hulu wants to bankrupt themselves by forcing all of their customers away, that's OK with me. There are plenty of similar online services who DO get it, and we don't really need one that arbitrarily denies service based on user-agent, for no discernable reason whatsoever.

Re:End result = No more RSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109057)

You're stretching this a bit. There is a discernable reason, it's just not a legitimate one (in our minds, anyway).

Re:End result = No more RSS (1)

iYk6 (1425255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109235)

You're right. I wrote that before I knew what the reason was (computer OK, TV bad). I almost put the word "sane" instead, and then it would have still been accurate.

Re:End result = No more RSS (4, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108953)

openness of Hulu

Ah! Is this an oxymoron contest?

My turn then: "Atheism of the Pope"

Rename slashdot to "Hulu Boxee Wars" (1, Informative)

olddotter (638430) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108481)

If every iteration of this cat and mouse game gets on Slashdot, then almost every other story will be about it....

Re:Rename slashdot to "Hulu Boxee Wars" (1)

pm_rat_poison (1295589) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109059)

mod parent up! :D

xbmcboxee (2, Informative)

doronbc (1434117) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108521)

You should see the larger image. Boxee is a fork of Xbmc, xbmc but stripped down. Xbmc can run python scripts, check other xbmc plugins which work, ninja video, ted talks, rev3. http://code.google.com/p/voinage-xbmc-plugins/downloads/list [google.com] I have a plugin for fancast which hosts a lot of the same content as hulu. I'm not sure they intentionally strip out the ads, id be more than willing to sit through them though.

Re:xbmcboxee (1)

doronbc (1434117) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108529)

edit: title should xbmc>boxee

Re:xbmcboxee (2, Insightful)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109071)

Oh wow, I didn't know about Fancast. It has a lot more of the shows that I usually just download, since hulu doesn't have them.. Why haven't I heard of it before?

changing user agent (1, Redundant)

godrik (1287354) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108587)

Ok, I am risking making people believe, I am an idiot. But, isn't it is as simple as changing the user agent ? This should take at most 3 minutes to any developer (one to get the UA of Internet Explorer, one to copy paste it in the code and one to commit it).

I must have missed something...

Re:changing user agent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108801)

I tried that earlier this morning. So far can't find where the UA string is. Switching to MacFUSE instead of cyberduck so I can do a project search in textmate.

Re:changing user agent (1)

SilentChasm (998689) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109733)

Spoofing the user agent isn't exactly the desired method as the user agent is important for statistics and other things. I don't think it should ever be necessary to spoof it if everyone is acting nicely (server and client).

Hulu + Boxee (1)

unfunk (804468) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108651)

Does anybody know just why Hulu & Boxee don't get along? I've read that come content providers asked Hulu to block Boxee, but I completely fail to see the logic behind the request.

Re:Hulu + Boxee (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108689)

My understanding: Content providers gave Hulu a license to display their works on computers. However, they don't perceive Boxee as a computer; instead, they perceive it as a TV. They haven't given Hulu a license to display their works on TVs, so they're unhappy with Hulu being on Boxee. Of course, there's no difference between "display on a computer" and "display on a tv" anymore, but they don't want this to be true. It's dumb, but that's the media industry for you.

Re:Hulu + Boxee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109311)

all these pc's with HDMI connectors they basically mandated should take care of that argument...

Re:Hulu + Boxee (1)

ngg (193578) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109349)

I think it's actually a little more subtle than that:

The content providers gave cable companies "exclusive" licenses to display their content on TVs, which in this context means "we won't give anyone else a license to display our content on TVs in your coverage area." So, yes, Hulu doesn't have a license to display on TVs, but the reason that matters is that the cable companies are pressuring the content companies to pressure Hulu to takes steps to prevent its feed from working on people's TVs. Because the cable companies are worried that people might just cancel their cable subscriptions. It doesn't really make sense that the content companies would want to block Hulu from Boxee all on their own--they own Hulu, so they get all of the ad revenue, instead of sharing it with the local distributors.

Frankly, this just makes me hate the cable monopoly a little more.

Re:Hulu + Boxee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108749)

The issue is that the content providers aren't ready for a world where geeks sit around on their couches and watch their COMPUTERS on their TVs. For the content providers, watching Hulu served content from a computer is one thing, watching Hulu served content on a TV, that's another. It comes down to Hulu competing with their primary product via the same display device: TV.

Re:Hulu + Boxee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108805)

It comes down to Hulu competing with their primary product via the same display device: TV.

Sounds like "Who killed the electric car?" all over again.

I shall answer thee with radiohead lyrics (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108975)

Does anybody know just why Hulu & Boxee don't get along? I've read that come content providers asked Hulu to block Boxee, but I completely fail to see the logic behind the request.

"I don't care if it hurts, I wanna have control [...] 'cause I'm a creep."

What do hulu expect? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108735)

I'd never heard of Hulu so I went to the site and...

Javascript is required to use Hulu. For the best experience, please enable Javascript and reload this page.

I use youtube-dl and mplayer to watch youtube hosted stuff, elsewhere I'll pull the URL manually from script or container files. Hulu can scream that users must use software configuration x/y/z to use their service but that's not how the web has ever worked.

It was Hulu's decision to stop Boxee (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27108813)

The content providers, NBC and Fox, own Hulu. The Hulu president stating he had nothing to do with blocking Boxee is a lie. Hulu plans their own box on your TV.

Instead of watching Hulu's free content with commercials I'm back to buying content through Apple TV, and now Amazon through the Netflix/Roku box.

Sayonara, Scru-lu!

Whats the problem? Hulu works fine with linux. (0, Troll)

voss (52565) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109281)

They block boxee. So what? If your too lazy to navigate to hulu.com which works fine with linux and mac via firefox, maybe its a bad tactical decision but it doesnt stop you from watching hulu. Its still free and its still available...over the internet!

Re:Whats the problem? Hulu works fine with linux. (1)

samgman (59969) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109535)

Don't you know that Boxee works on Apple TV? Hulu is so much better on a 70" Mitsubishi than a little computer monitor.

Get an open source media box (1)

voss (52565) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109727)

All modern hdtvs made in the last 3 years have HDMI or DVI ports. Apple TV has an hdmi port.

The flaw is not in Hulu which works with any opensource web browser on windows, mac or linux, its in Apple TV, a closed source box with crippled functionality. That boxee software is opensource doesnt mean it can help itself to hulu's content.

Just because I am not an apple fanboy doesnt make me a troll and doesnt make me wrong either.

Who-lu? (0, Troll)

owlnation (858981) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108845)

Since the US is the only country that can access Hulu's content this is hardly Earth shattering news.

When Hulu discovers there's a whole planet out there, the rest of us will start to care.

Re:Who-lu? (2)

narcberry (1328009) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108933)

Americans care because they can use Hulu.

The rest of earth cares because Americans are doing it. Earth shattering title still secure.

Re:Who-lu? (1)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109127)

Exactly. Who the fuck cares? This a complete non-event. Hulu is boring, therefore their strife with some other unknown company is boring too.

*shrug*

Re:Who-lu? (2, Insightful)

nhtshot (198470) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109603)

More like..

When Hulu is ALLOWED to discover the rest of the planet.

Several people have said this, but it needs to be pointed out. Hulu is a corporation with a LEGAL licensing agreement for their content. They have to bow to the whims of the MPAA, etc.

While the ideologues among you will say that they should just tell the media companies to screw themselves, we all know that isn't going to happen.

Both the issue at bar here and the one you present are directly the fault of the content providers. They'll continue to learn their lessons the hard way, just like they always have.

Did you expect them to show any more knowledge of the internet world working with Hulu then they do with anyone else?

Screw `em (4, Informative)

Simulant (528590) | more than 5 years ago | (#27108965)

This code, executed on a dd-wrt router, will give all your clients 30 seconds of nothing during commercials when watching Hulu videos. It will block most other browser ads also but what the hell... Works really well with Slashdot.

Just add it to your startup section and enjoy a nearly ad-free internet.

----
logger WAN UP Script Executing
sleep 5
test -s /tmp/dlhosts
if [ $? == 1 ] ; then
echo -e "#!/bin/sh\nwget -O - http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt [mvps.org] | grep 127.0.0.1 | tr -d '\015\032' | sed -e '2,\$s/127.0.0.1/0.0.0.0/g' -e 's/[[:space:]]*#.*$//' -e '2,\$s/0.0.0.0 localhost$/127.0.0.1 localhost/g' -e '2,\$s/0.0.0.0 pagead.*.googlesyndication.com//g' | grep 0.0 > /tmp/hosts\nlogger DOWNLOADED http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt [mvps.org] \nkillall -1 dnsmasq" > /tmp/dlhosts
chmod 777 /tmp/dlhosts /tmp/dlhosts
fi
ln -s /tmp/hosts /etc/hosts
echo "45 23 * * 5 root /tmp/dlhosts" >> /tmp/crontab
-----

Hulu has made it clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109013)

Hulu has made it abundantly clear that they do not want people to view their videos over the internet. Therefore, people should just stop watching them.

Awesome business move there Hulu.

Not really about boxee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109035)

This probably really isn't about boxee - it is about the content owners wanting to get rid of hulu and build their own individual sites. So anything they can do to make it harder to use hulu, especially on something likely to be playing on a TV screen is in their interest.

Re:Not really about boxee (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109239)

This probably really isn't about boxee - it is about the content owners wanting to get rid of hulu and build their own individual sites. So anything they can do to make it harder to use hulu, especially on something likely to be playing on a TV screen is in their interest.

Yeah well ... any outfit that would pick that Baldwin dimbulb as its spokesman has problems anyway.

Well, here's the obvious solution... (1)

perigee369 (837140) | more than 5 years ago | (#27109459)

... I believe most TV shows are on BitTorrent sites. :) Reminds me of the obligatory Star Wars reference "The more you tighten your grip Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers..."

Re:Well, here's the obvious solution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27109667)

Plus, the RSS feed [tvrss.net] is much friendlier.
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