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Norwegian Broadcasting Sets Up Its Own Tracker

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the some-things-are-neutral dept.

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eirikso writes with an interesting story from Norway; the state broadcaster there has decided to put up some of its content on BitTorrent. "The tracker is based on the same OpenTracker software that the Pirate Bay has been using for the last couple of years. By using BitTorrent we can reach our audience with full quality, unencrypted media files. Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it."

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Umm... (5, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27114871)

Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it.

Did I wake up in a wrong universe or something? People are actually thinking now?

Re:Umm... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27114945)

No. You are in the right universe.

Just wait and see what happens to their control when they no longer want to provide something.

Re:Umm... (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115025)

Just wait and see what happens to their control when they no longer want to provide something.

I think they meant "if it's already out there, at least make sure it's good quality". Presumably they know what happens to torrents in general if they're referring to TPB.

Re:Umm... (3, Insightful)

Cormophyte (1318065) | more than 5 years ago | (#27117041)

It may also mean that they recognize that if they distribute high quality files on bittorrent with a lot of bandwidth behind it (and maybe release it before anyone else has a chance to) that they can eventually slide a quick commercial in there and people will choose their file because they'll have been getting it fast, reliably, and looking great.

Re:Umm... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27117595)

I think much of it means that if people get used to getting most tv things they want from them they may not look into other sources, and that way effectively hinder them from getting the stuff they didn't wanted to (or more likely had the right to) share in the first place.

I would believe most government run television providers to be willing to share their own stuff with everyone for free / for regular obligatory tv fee if there is one.

Re:Umm... (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115057)

Uhm, they did say unencrypted files.

Re:Umm... (5, Informative)

FaxeTheCat (1394763) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115173)

For their (our... it's the state that owns NRK) definition of control is defined on the website http://nrkbeta.no/the-nrkbeta-doctrine/ [nrkbeta.no] I think you will find that they have left "the old ways" and actually understand what the new reality is about.

Re:Umm... (2, Interesting)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#27117625)

Would had been cool if they had choosen TPB instead of setting up their own tracker though, maybe they could had gotten a category of their own or something such.

But it would be nice for the people behind TPB to say "well, see, at least NRK gets it .."

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27114947)

At least one of these "people" are thinking, yes. If only more would start.

Re:Umm... (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115305)

Did I wake up in a wrong universe or something? People are actually thinking now?

Right universe, wrong country. It's been known to happen these "3rd world countries" that don't have public education systems designed to beat individuality out of people, starting with a morning salute to the flag, and ending in a cease and desist order to the cries of "oh my precious imaginary property!"

Re:Umm... (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115335)

Right universe, wrong country. It's been known to happen these "3rd world countries" that don't have public education systems designed to beat individuality out of people, starting with a morning salute to the flag, and ending in a cease and desist order to the cries of "oh my precious imaginary property!"

I'll bite. Show me one other country that does this:

Some weeks ago NRK - Norwegian Broadcasting put up one of the most popular shows in Norway on bittorrent. For free, with no DRM, no country restrictions.

Re:Umm... (4, Informative)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115367)

Canada

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115789)

Silly, Canada is a hat not a country.

Re:Umm... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115685)

Finland. Our national broadcasting company (YLE) doesn't use BitTorrent but that is just a minor issue. All the shows shown on YLE will be online (for free, no DRM and no country restrictions) the day after they are shown on TV.

Re:Umm... (4, Insightful)

eltaco (1311561) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115901)

The UK / BBC. Granted, it's not via torrents, but basically all their content is available via their page to watch online. These are restricted to certain regions though.
Also on a side note, there's a torrent tracker which is dedicated to British TV. Rumours fly, that backroom deals (for instance not distributing content available on DVD) keeps them from legal trouble.

also, I know that most german TV networks offer their content to watch online (though their TV imho, isn't worth watching).

I admit, they're not torrenting their data and I don't know how easy it is to make a local copy (afaik the BBC requires you to use their own software iplayer). In the grand scheme of things it's quite a step forward though.

Re:Umm... (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116389)

I admit, they're not torrenting their data and I don't know how easy it is to make a local copy (afaik the BBC requires you to use their own software iplayer).

Requiring a proprietary player to view the files online doesn't really answer my question about a DRM-free download, now does it?

I agree, they're mostly keeping up with the times, but still.

Re:Umm... (1)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116681)

NRK have offered streaming for years, both live and for older content. The main difference now is that bittorrent allows for higher resolution and bit rate than streaming does, and that the streaming is based on shitty Microsoft solutions that depend on either Silverlight or WMV (the user can choose between the two, and WMV works with Mozplugger + mplayer in Linux).

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27116357)

www.abc.net.au springs to mind. Not a torrent, just a plain old webpage, but close enough. Features mp3 downloads of shows and segments and streaming audio (though admittedly some of these streams are in decidedly unfriendly formats).

Re:Umm... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115309)

People are actually thinking now?

Yes, they are. But only in Norway. Sorry.

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115739)

In Norway they always think. Here in the US the same old morons are in control. So, unless you moving to Norway, nothing to see here...

Somebody catch me... (4, Funny)

theGreater (596196) | more than 5 years ago | (#27114883)

Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it.

... think I'm going to faint.

Re:Somebody catch me... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27114929)

Somebody needs to tag this with suddenoutbreakofcommonsense! Honestly, Actually delivering content smartly instead of stupidly was the answer all along!? Who'd have thunk it!?

Re:Somebody catch me... (1)

eirikso (1009135) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115219)

Good idea. I've now tagged the original article with "suddenoutbreakofcommonsense". :-)

Re:Somebody catch me... (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115235)

By what stretch of the imagination do they gain control of it?
Do they really think it can't be re-seeded and tracked by other trackers?

Re:Somebody catch me... (5, Interesting)

eirikso (1009135) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115299)

Of course it can. It's out there. We know that. We're not talking COMPLETE control. That's not possible unless you lock down your content in a safe vault. But if you're the best provider people will come to your place to get it. Giving you better control. We're getting traffic FROM the pirate bay on the content that we have released as torrents. Because more people are seeding from our tracker. In general, people don't bother to redistribute as long as we provide unencrypted high quality files.

Re:Somebody catch me... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115317)

Because if I want to download a TV show from this Norwegian channel, the first place I would look after knowing that they have good torrents is the website for this Norwegian channel, not TPB. They've finally realized that if they have decent torrents and don't try to control every tiny thing, they will gain lots of respect, viewers, and money.

Re:Somebody catch me... (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115371)

> gain lots of respect, viewers, and money.

This presumes its worth watching in the first place.

As for the "Money" bit, you do realized this is a fully government funded organization don't you?

Re:Somebody catch me... (4, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115449)

As for the "Money" bit, you do realized this is a fully government funded organization don't you?

Yes, but if I was a Norwegian citizen and they asked me to vote on something that would slightly raise taxes to pay for upgrades, new shows, etc, I might actually vote for it because the government in this case is actually using taxpayer money responsibly.

Re:Somebody catch me... (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115483)

> government in this case is actually using taxpayer money responsibly.

Ok. Sorry.

Didn't realize it was the government's job to entertain you.

Re:Somebody catch me... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115577)

No, I'm not in favor of state run anything (no state-funded roads, education, etc), but if the majority of people believe it is the government's job then I'd rather get a return on my tax dollars then shipping them off to nowhere where I will never see the results.

Re:Somebody catch me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27116507)

You are kidding right?

Re:Somebody catch me... (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116569)

it's the government's job to fill the needs of the people where private enterprise won't. a TV channel can easily fall into this category.

Anybody got the (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 5 years ago | (#27114937)

english subtitles?

Re:Anybody got the (1)

Deus.1.01 (946808) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115439)

If only Thor Heyerdal was still alive then we could get him to make some high-quality dubs.

Re:Anybody got the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115849)

bork bork bork bork

Re:Anybody got the (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 5 years ago | (#27117497)

english subtitles?

Sorry, no one is seeding them yet ;)

Mind boggling outburst (4, Informative)

Saffaya (702234) | more than 5 years ago | (#27114953)

of common sense:

"We have provided all the Norwegian subtitle files and if people want to fansub any of the episodes we're more than happy to let you do that. Please let us know in the comments and we'll link to your translations."

Three cheers for the Norvegians !!!

Re:Mind boggling outburst (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116063)

"We have provided all the Norwegian subtitle files ..."

Is there an automated way to translate the Norwegian subs via google or babelfish to engrish subs? Would be better than nothing, and possibly humourous.

Oblig: (2, Funny)

Chris Brewer (66818) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116977)

A moose once bit my sister...

War! (1)

Superdarion (1286310) | more than 5 years ago | (#27114955)

Will this mean war? Norway vs the EU! nay! against the whole world!

Re:War! (4, Interesting)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115053)

Will this mean war? Norway vs the EU! nay! against the whole world!

They have a decent amount of oil & gas, which the EU and others desperately need.
They also have healthy fish stocks, through fairly competent management of fisheries. The EU regularly howls of unfair competition in fish, as the EU has rapaciously plundered its own stocks, and continues overfishing at destructive levels.

It's the EU that will cave in, not Norway. Disclaimer: I'm not Norwegian, but did visit there twice (1983 and 1998), and changed plane in Oslo a few times.

Re:War! (4, Funny)

javilon (99157) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115505)

Well, I don't know about EU, but USA can perform a "liberation war" on them, under some excuse like "terrorism and kiddie porn". Once they have flattened the country, they can set up a regime that will give their multinationals all rights on oil, gas and fishing. This will be as a compensation on the expenses incurred by the rebuilding effort and paying for deployment of the liberator's army.

Then, after all is done and nicely set up, they can replace the president and blame everything on the previous one, without returning the people of the "liberated" country the rights to their own natural resources.

It worked with Iraq.

Re:War! (1)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116919)

Oh please, because the king of Norway is in any way comparable to Saddam Hussein. Yep, he might as well change his name.

Sheesh.

Re:War! (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27117129)

It worked with Iraq.

No, it didn't, but the joke is on them!

No way Re:War! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27117537)

"Once they have flattened the country..."

Haz lotz lotz lotz mountains, do not want Danish geography (pankake flat --but Denmark twice as yummy) plzthxbye =^._.^=

(And we keepz torrentz n-jaaa~~~!)

Re:War! (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116123)

They have a decent amount of oil & gas,

Oh no! In an alternate universe, Pres. George W. is announcing a new member of the Axis of Evil.

Re:War! (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115247)

Will this mean war? Norway vs the EU! nay! against the whole world!

Meh, they'd just pass a directive - we've passed over 8000 EU directives without being a member already.

Re:War! (1)

arndawg (1468629) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115485)

Meh, they'd just pass a directive - we've passed over 9000 EU directives without being a member already.

Fixed that for you.

Re:War! (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115829)

If it's war, then are TONO the Quislings? http://www.tono.no/page?id=94 [www.tono.no]

suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (1)

RabidMoose (746680) | more than 5 years ago | (#27114967)

With any luck, bigger media players will watch what happens here and learn from it. Maybe somebody will even go the next step and figure out how to profit off of this distribution scheme.

Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (5, Informative)

RabidMoose (746680) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115033)

And what's more (from TFA's FA):

If you want control of your content you need to lock it down in a vault and never show it to anyone. We gave up control of our content the day we started broadcasting. For years our most popular content have been available on BitTorrent and on sites like YouTube anyway. DRM doesnâ(TM)t work. The only way to control your content is to be the best provider of it. If people want it on YouTube then you should publish it on YouTube or in a system that give the same experience. If people want it on BitTorrent then you should provide that. If you do it right people will come to your official publish point and you'll end up with more control.

Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116687)

Now thats how to put pirates out of business :)

Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27117171)

No, the "pirates" who counterfeit DVD's and flog them off at markets and bazaars will still do so. The average Joe Bloggs filesharer isn't trying to make a business out of filesharing, so offering it for free is merely imitating them - which won't stop them doing it.

It's pretty much as the article says, it is merely putting more control into the hands of the publisher/broadcaster in this case.

Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115159)

With any luck, bigger media players will watch what happens here and learn from it. Maybe somebody will even go the next step and figure out how to profit off of this distribution scheme.

Actually, that's the whole issue. NRK is taxpayer funded so there are no fees or ads to begin with. Whether people watch it on TV or online really does not matter, in fact if they probably want to reach more people abroad with these shows as it fits their cultural mission. Subscription based or ad based TV has serious issues because others can distribute it without subscription fees or ads, which pretty much by definitino means it's not ideal. But it's another source for people to learn just how good TV off bittorrent is and you just can't turn back time...

Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (0)

icebike (68054) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115325)

> Actually, that's the whole issue. NRK is taxpayer funded so there are no fees or ads to begin with.

So making it available for free to the people who already paid for it suddenly now gains the universal applause here on SlashDot? Look, they have an obligation to give it away!

They produced it woth other people's money. Now they plan using other people's money in the form of hard drives and band width to distribute it. Not so altruistic when you look at in in that light is it?

Look, its government funded pablum! Perhaps even good quality pablum, but pablum none the less. How much is that worth anyway? Is there a check box on Norwegian tax forms asking if tax payers want to contribute to NRK? No? Thought not.

The problem with socialism, is sooner or later you run out of other people's money. (Thatcher).

Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115729)

It's not actually funded with tax-payer money, but each household have to pay a licence fee if they are in possession of a TV. So yes, there is in fact a 'check box' if you want to contribute to NRK or not.

And by the way, the content has been available free of charge on their website for years, the only new thing here is that now they will also offer bittorrent as an alternative.

Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (1)

internettoughguy (1478741) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116925)

nice quote from thatcher, she really is a shining figure for world leaders to aspire too, right up there with Nixon and Reagan i should think ;).

Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (1)

AngelofDeath-02 (550129) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115195)

If real television companies did this, I'd watch it with advertisements too.
But none of this specialized player and a day (or week) late bullshit ...

Hurray! (2, Insightful)

johsve (1491721) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115027)

Finally, after all the fuss with the swedish FRA law monitoring the traffic from Norway the norweigans finally got pissed and decided to fight back. I think I'll move to Norway, it seems to be a nice country.

Re:Hurray! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115061)

Now I'm torn. Finland's got Assembly, Sweden has Machinae Supremacy, and Norway has this now. Finland might have the most open laws related to beer of the three of them...

Re:Hurray! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115461)

Aye, but it's full of Finns..

Is any material up right now? (1)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115051)

Is it available for outsiders as well? Could we get a link?

Re:Is any material up right now? (2, Informative)

FaxeTheCat (1394763) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115135)

Have a look at http://nrkbeta.no/ [nrkbeta.no]

Re:Is any material up right now? (1)

Carlosos (1342945) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115169)

Did you read the article? I'm guessing not since it has the torrent links and rss feed for the show.

And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115063)

Are they using the fucking lame DivX format which uses the lame, backward, decades-old .avi container and the old MPEG-4 video and MP3 audio CODECs, or are they actually using 21th century .mp4 container with H264 video and AAC audio?

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (5, Informative)

thinktwo (309647) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115137)

They are using MP4 with H.264 video and AAC audio.

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (3, Interesting)

areusche (1297613) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115253)

Which is an excellent codec for maximum compression vs quality. I like xvid like anything other guy, but when it comes to quality/size mp4 with h.264 is great.

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (0, Troll)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115205)

mp4 is actually a very old standard (hardly used these days for torrents), try mkv

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (2, Insightful)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115315)

To go slightly off-topic, I've had a lot more trouble with files distributed in the matroska format than I have with MPEG-4. For some reason there seem to be a lot more half-broken mkv files out there (as in, they'll sort of play but not quite right), even though I doubt this has anything to do with the container format itself it has kind of turned me off of mkv (not to mention that I have more hardware and software capable of playing mp4 than I have capable of playing mkv). Kind of reminds me of when 7zip showed up and a bunch of people started refusing to use any other format for compressing files, which just pissed everyone else off and then interest for the format declined.

/Mikael

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (1)

Shivani1141 (996696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115401)

There are community codec packs(even one called that) that allow any windows machine to play pretty much any video format without issue. i've used them with great success with a collection of video files that spans back to the napster days, not to mention all the way forwards to todays 1080p stylesubbed Anime encodes.

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115555)

There are community codec packs(even one called that) that allow any windows machine...

FAIL.

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (1, Flamebait)

Barny (103770) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116711)

As a PC OEM installer, we put CCCP on all new PCs we sell, means less calls from people not able to play XYZ media format and biching about it :)

As for the other post in regards to only being windows format, CONFORM OR DIE LINUX/BSD/MAC WHORE!

Ahh, now thats some good flamebait.

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27116943)

While on the other hand, I've had more trouble with poorly-formed .mp4 files than I have with .mkv files, and have even resorted at one point to a batch script that converts .mp4 files into .mkv files. True story.

Isn't anecdotal evidence fun!

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115805)

mp4 is actually a very old standard (hardly used these days for torrents), try mkv

OK, and when will you start bitching about the CODEC used? (Hint: look up the words container and codec.)

You don't like the container, just remux. There's another word for you to learn.

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27116231)

mp4 is actually a very old standard (hardly used these days for torrents), try mkv

Why wouldn't you use the MPEG-4 container for MPEG-4 video (AVC) with MPEG-4 audio (AAC)? Matroska is great for more exotic stuff like FLAC audio tracks, but in this case not really needed.

Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27116999)

mkv isn't a codec. H.264 is most commonly associated with "mp4" videos and most mkv use H.264 as well.

Translation (2, Insightful)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115081)

"Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it."

Translated: More people will pay for what they can get for free than will pay for for less than they can get for free.

Re:Translation (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115109)

More like:

If it is just plain easier, and more reliable to get it from us in the way they want it, they will come to us instead of a 3rd party redistributor.

(This means they will come to OUR site, and see OUR ads when they search our tracker.)

Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115121)

Can I get a translation of the translation?

Re:Umm... (2, Insightful)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115255)

How about an explanation of the translation, since it's already about as concise as it can be.

Right now, people can get unencrypted, DRM-free, commercial-free files, which (will always) work anywhere, any time, for free.

People can also get encrypted, DRM-laden, commercial-packed files which (might, if you're lucky) work on certified players, as long as the company that produced the DRM scheme stays in business top operate the DRM servers and the copyright owner doesn't decide to take the work off the market, for an artificially inflated, unfair market price.

More people will pay for option one, if faced with the choice to do so, than will pay for option two.

I know I'd pay more for what I'm getting for free now than I will ever pay for what's on store shelves today.

Re:Umm... (2, Informative)

JensLudolf (807529) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115581)

Right now, people can get unencrypted, DRM-free, commercial-free files, which (will always) work anywhere, any time, for free.

It's already ad-free, it's tax-funded. IIRC the mandate they're operating under prohibits them from including ads (although they've found a loophole, so some of sports broadcasts are preceeded by "this programme is presented by "). All in all by doing this, they're providing a better service for me, the tax-payer.

Re:Umm... (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116813)

I was making a blanket statement about media, not just relating to this bone broadcaster, but thank you for pointing that out for those who may not have know.

I for one... (3, Funny)

el3mentary (1349033) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115141)

Hope that the BBC follows suite, it's the next logical step after iPlayer right?

Re:I for one... (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115417)

Look, I'm sorry but the BBC is just plain broken. They use region locking, complain about having to use cross-platform standards (because we all know there are no more than 6,000 Linux users in the entire UK right?), and all the while the citizens of the UK seem to think it is fine and dandy for their government to be taking their tax dollars and making shows that aren't in the public domain.

The BBC basically shows how NOT to run a state-run TV channel.

Re:I for one... (2, Interesting)

nbannerman (974715) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116073)

Well to be fair, region locking makes sense.

Why should I, as a UK TV licence payer, fund programs for other people to watch?

Additionally, I believe that since the BBC co-producers shows with other broadcasters in other countries, the licensing agreements currently in place mean the BBC has to take steps to stop (for example) a co-Canadian produced drama appearing for free before it is shown in Canada.

Oh, and the BBC is not a state-run tv channel. It is a public broadcaster, but aside from the BBC Trust (which is more advisory), Government input is limited. Indeed the BBC have a very long and strong history of taking the Government (be it Tory or Labour) to task.

It should also be noted that there isn't a 'TV tax' in the UK. The TV licence is only payable if you actually own a TV capable of receiving BBC programming. Now whilst the licence system could use a bit of modernising, it isn't a blanket tax.

Re:I for one... (3, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116247)

Why should I, as a UK TV licence payer, fund programs for other people to watch?

Because it doesn't cost any more. If the entire world population were to turn on the BBC (and assuming these were physical TVs and not electronic so you can't add in the small cost of bandwidth) they could all receive it. Is it unfair? Yes, but I am of the opinion (note that I am not a UK citizen nor do I live in even a European nation), that if something doesn't require more money to keep it going, then why really charge for it or prevent others from using it? For example, for a road toll, by driving across it you create wear on the road that will eventually have to be paid to fix using the toll money. On the other hand, when I receive TV transmissions, it doesn't require any extra fees to keep it running.

Re:I for one... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27117075)

Well, except for things like Doctor who, which is at least partially funded by CBC, the Canadian Broadcaster, and is over a YEAR out of date when it hits our airwaves...

How do you think I get my fix of the Doctor? Do I wait a year, and pretend to not know what's going on via Outpost Gallifrey or some other Fansite?

Duh. My country, and therefore MY tax dollars paid for that show... and guess what, you still region lock us. Idiots. Your web site won't even play teasers and trailers. Morons.

Sheesh. Of course fans will just bittorrent it.

The sad thing, is the CBC actually DOES provide the shows on their website... but they are slow in getting their year old episodes released.

Re:I for one... (3, Insightful)

FluffyWithTeeth (890188) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115457)

Hah, I don't think you understand bureaucracy.

The BBC have shovelled a HUGE quantity of money into iPlayer. That spending has to be justified, which means it will stay largely as it is for at least the next five years.

Three cheers (1)

mc1138 (718275) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115207)

It's nice to see more and more groups jumping on the bandwagon of digital distribution!

The Pirate Bay retaliates.. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115231)

Clearly TPB should sue them, how the hell are they supposed to compete against a service that release their own content for free and in high quality, and that doesnt even have any advertising on their site?

Great idea, but ill pass (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27115271)

Now that i'm throttled ( comcast user here ), what is in it for me to share my bandwidth for their benefit?

Re:Great idea, but ill pass (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115365)

Now that i'm throttled ( comcast user here ), what is in it for me to share my bandwidth for their benefit?

you don't have to upload. though it will make your download faster.

Wait-- (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27115291)

"Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it."
NFW!

What is good from NO? (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116457)

What contents are interesting? I didn't see anything but then can't read this foreign language. ;)

NORWAY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27116611)

Norway

Population: CRAB

No. of Lions = 0

No. of Tigers = 0

Main Export: TREE

( Lion > Tree = KENYA WINS )

MORE LIKE SNOREWAY

Declare war on Norwegia! (1)

arclyte (961404) | more than 5 years ago | (#27116637)

We must petition Washington immediately to reroute our troops coming home from Iraq and send them to occupy Norway. This is obviously a ploy to destroy our internet access, therefore putting our economy in even more peril. Dozens of cable companies have already shown us the evidence that P2P networks will destroy the internet. Obviously the Pirate Bay trial didn't come soon enough, Norway's public broadcasting has now become infected by these insidious thieves trying to cripple the broadcasting industry and the internet in one go!

Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27116931)

The MAFIAA wont take any notice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27117213)

Countdown to the first frivolous lawsuit from some dumb American entity claiming to own the content in 3... 2... 1...
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