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Could Fuller Take Trek Back To TV?

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the thist-might-end-badly dept.

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bowman9991 writes "Bryan Fuller, creator of the TV show Pushing Daisies and a former Star Trek writer and producer, is geared up to make it happen. The new Star Trek TV show would be based on "old style" Star Trek, rather than the more recent incarnations and variations: Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Enterprise and Star Trek: The Next Generation. There hasn't been a Star Trek TV series since Enterprise was canceled after four seasons in 2005. Fuller wrote twenty one Star Trek episodes over four years, two in Deep Space Nine's final season, and the rest for Voyager. He also produced Voyager's last season. If J.J. Abrams' reboot is successful (and the latest trailer suggests it will be!) perhaps we'll see him involved with a new Star Trek TV show with the style and impact of Fringe or Lost. The new Star Trek movie featuring a young Kirk and Spock is in cinemas May 2009." Besides his work on many episodes of Trek, Fuller's work includes Dead Like Me and some of the best of Heroes. (He's one of the names I actively seek in the writing slot.) Between him and JJ Abrams, the era of Rick Berman looks to finally be at an end. Cross your fingers.

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444 comments

Hmmm... (5, Interesting)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 5 years ago | (#27148963)

Rather than another series that will result in overpriced DVDs, I'd have loved to get a DS9 or Voyager Movie or two...

Re:Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149023)

"The new Star Trek TV show would be based on 'old style' Star Trek"

Cardboard sets FTW!!!

Pee-you! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149043)

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Re:Pee-you! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149205)

Thats ok the Grand Dragon will clean you up with a tongue bath.

Re:Pee-you! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149679)

You seriously think that a person can not really hate everything Obama stands for without being a racist?

Re:Hmmm... (3, Insightful)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149091)

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's hoping for a Patrick Stewart casting. DS9 or Voyager Movies? Eck. A new TV Series with Picard.. and Data!? Amazing!

Two things:
1. Brent Spiner would have to lose some weight
2. They've got to get rid of Data's emotion chip. That's when Data lost his charm, I feel.

Otherwise, bring it on.

Re:Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149213)

Brent Spiner was tired of Trek, which is why he had data killed off in Nemesis.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149571)

Brent Spiner was tired of Trek, which is why he had data killed off in Nemesis.

He's also getting too old and wrinkly to convincingly play an android that's not supposed to age.

Re:Hmmm... (3, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149227)

Two things:
1. Brent Spiner would have to lose some weight
2. They've got to get rid of Data's emotion chip. That's when Data lost his charm, I feel.
3. They've got to rip off the Spock story from "Search for Spock" to bring him back to life.

Fixed that for you ;) Alternatively they could pretend that "All Good Things..." was the last real TNG story and all of the crappy movies never existed. I'd be just fine with that.....

Re:Hmmm... (1)

IWannaBeAnAC (653701) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149407)

Were all of them crap? First Contact was a fun movie, and Insurrection was pure Trek, albeit perhaps a bit too cheesy.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149581)

I liked most of them except for Nemesis.

Re:Hmmm... (4, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149667)

Were all of them crap?

Yes. Generations utterly ruined Data's character for the sake of an "Oh.... shit!" joke, destroyed the Enterprise-D for the sake of an action scene and killed off Picard's family for the sake of a cheap shock and never bothered to explore the ramifications of this.

First Contact was an enjoyable standalone film but utterly destroyed whatever continuity we had from TNG for the sake of creating a single villain for the audience to focus on. It also didn't really do justice to Troi or Crusher. Actually come to think of it, none of the movies did them justice.

and Insurrection was pure Trek, albeit perhaps a bit too cheesy.

Perhaps? It was incredibly cheesy. And don't even get me started on Nemesis. This guy [stardestroyer.net] summarizes Nemesis way better than I could ever hope to.....

Re:Hmmm... (4, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149527)

I agree, Patric Stewart would make an EXCELLENT Klingon or other bad guy for the series.

I would rather see Star trek redone with starfleet being the weak guy and getting our asses handed back regularly. Combat with the klingons needs to be "OH CRAP! RUN!" instead of this "I am here to reason with you, can we sit down for tea and crumpets?"

They started the right track with enterprise, but it needs to be far more gritty. More death, A sea of red-shirts flowing out the ship and popping like popcorn whenever a hull breach happens. Kirk getting pissed and launching all 8 photo torpedoes at the single ship and then vowing to exterminate that species for killing ensign Davis. he can even rip his shirt and hyperventilate when he does it... That would be very much like the first season.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149575)

But please get a better actor than Shatner.

"KHAAAAAAAN!"

Need I say more?

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149121)

I'd have loved to get a DS9

That could work if it was well done, although personally I think DS9's plots got kind of stupid towards the end. There's also the matter of it being a blatant rip off of Babylon 5.....

or Voyager Movie or two...

Unless you are talking about V'ger [wikipedia.org] I'm going to seriously question your sanity ;)

Re:Hmmm... (0, Flamebait)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149399)

Funny, my thoughts are the reverse. Voyager at least had some good plots, though there were a couple of stretches that sucked.

Deep Suck 9 was just that...

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149643)

Wouldn't be the first or the last time someone questions it ;). And I do mean Voyager. Of course it would be pretty hard to explain, seeing as they've returned by now. Then again, some of the books deal with what happens after they return so...

Unfortunately, they have no sense for business, those Trek producers. If they had, they'd just make a movie where Janeway, 7 of 9 and B'Elanna ended up in a threesome. I think the cinemas would break sales records in no time...

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149731)

Janeway?

Come on you can do better than that.

I'd replace Janeway with Councilor Troy. (Mmmm)

Star Trek/Lost Mix (4, Funny)

Timberwolf0122 (872207) | more than 5 years ago | (#27148973)

Sort of like Voyager then in that they too were Lost (in the Delta Quadrant)? Only this time I want 1,2,3,4,5,6,8 and 9 of 9.. In fact I see no reason to have any other cast member that a bunch of 7 of 9's... Well maybe a leather clad Janeway, hmmm I seem to have gone off topic.

Re:Star Trek/Lost Mix (1)

u38cg (607297) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149083)

Heh. Glad I'm not the only one with dreams of a leather clad Janeway :)

Re:Star Trek/Lost Mix (1)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149559)

Join the club.

Macrocosm, with a Janeway-as-Ripley, is one of my guilty pleasures. Incredibly bad science, but Janeway in that tank top!!!!!!

Re:Star Trek/Lost Mix (0)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149273)

I'll just take a ship full of Sixes [wordpress.com] , please.

wait, what?

Re:Star Trek/Lost Mix (1)

Swizec (978239) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149387)

I wholeheartedly agree. A basestar full of Sixes please. There doesn't have to be anything much more in the show, perhaps a very thin plot, some not very good acting, Ron Jeremy or two.

It would be the most watched television series of all time.

Re:Star Trek/Lost Mix (1)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149467)

A new series set on a new planet with Janeway and 7of9 in Orion Slave Girl costumes. Throw in Deanna Troi, as well as Kirk and Picard with their shirts off to catch the women viewers. I'd pay to watch that! =)

Re:Star Trek/Lost Mix (4, Funny)

kat_skan (5219) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149687)

Well maybe a leather clad Janeway, hmmm I seem to have gone off topic.

*shudder* I think what you've gone off is the deep end.

Hmmmm. (3, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 5 years ago | (#27148975)

Fuller wrote twenty one Star Trek episodes over four years, two in Deep Space Nine's final season, and the rest for Voyager.

And Voyager was such a great series. Sarcasm intended.

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149017)

That is clearly a matter of opinion, don't you think? I, for one, prefer it to TOS. Then again, I even prefer Enterprise to TOS ;)

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149095)

Other than having a bad case of Gilligan's Island Syndrome, it wasn't too bad. Look at the positives: they had a solid cast (I'd take orders from Janeway any day!), good character development and decent storylines (aside from the main arch).

It could have been worse. Look at Enterprise. ;)

"It wasn't too bad." :) (2, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149223)

And that is the problem. Look at how bad it really was. Not in comparison to even worse shows. But in comparison to GOOD shows.

They had set up a really interesting concept ... and then totally neutered it. Everyone on the ship were best friends. Even though a large chunk of the crew had declared their own war. And the ship somehow kept getting repaired. And the borg were suddenly very weak. And do we really want to go into time travel?

Now compare that to Firefly's only season. Some of the crew did not like other members of the crew. The captain was not perfect. They had to work to keep the ship flying.

Re:"It wasn't too bad." :) (1)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149541)

I'm not sure your comparison is apt. It's kinda like saying "let's see what happens when we toss a US ship of the line into an unknown sea" vs. "what happens when we toss an undermanned, beat up merchant freighter into an unknown sea".

Even worse, since they're in difference universes, the navy ship has the ability to press it's own oil from shale it finds, create food incredibly cheaply, and has a ready supply of spare parts if anything breaks - the merchant doesnt

Re:Hmmmm. (2, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149681)

It's always interesting to see the varied opinions within Trek fandom. I, for one, thought Enterprise was an excellent show, although the story arc involving the Xindi and the Expanse took waaaaaay too long. I hated Voyager, almost as much as I hated DS9. Never cared for Janeway either.

In order, I'd have to say my favorite treks were:
1.) TNG
2.) Enterprise
3.) TOS
Then, off in the far distance:
4.) Voyager
5.) DS9

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

rho (6063) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149125)

I judge Star Trek writers based on whether and how many holodeck episodes they're responsible for. If you wrote holodeck episodes for Voyager, which was about a spaceship alone in the Delta quadrant, you get double the points docked.

The holodeck killed writers' imaginations to cater to the wardrobe department's fantasies.

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149353)

For the most part, I agree. But there's the occasional episode that justifies itself—"Take Me Out to the Holosuite" comes to mind. (And somehow, I doubt that baseball uniforms are the wardrobe department's fantasies. ;) )

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149501)

But Bride of Chaotica was great! And Spirit Folk wasn't too bad either. The holodeck can give us dull episodes but it depends on the writer.

Re:Hmmmm. (2, Funny)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149191)

And Voyager was such a great series. Sarcasm intended.

Not one lesbian kiss scene in the whole series, so much for 'where no man has gone before'

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

montyzooooma (853414) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149277)

I liked most of Voyager.
If Fuller is bringing Trek back maybe he can get Robert Hewitt Wolfe (a DS9 writer) to write some scripts. I really liked what he did with Andromeda in the early days.

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149629)

I'm doubtful. Star Trek had some really great episodes, but some sucky ones as well. It credits the guy with "Pushing Daisies", I thought that was the dumbest show on TV at the time. Considering "Pushing Daisies" I fear Fuller is responsible for the sucky episodes.

I'm still hopeful, though. I've been watching Star Trek since it first started in the sixties, and I've been watching STNG and DS9 on tape lately.

I guess I'll have to buy the last season of Voyager, because the bastards that ran the TV station it was on sold out when the last season started, and it didn't air here.

Having written for voyager isn't a good thing (4, Funny)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#27148993)

Unless you liked hearing about the latest Fucktoquadillion gigastream of pure hexashitrillic energy the borg were beaming at voyager's past timestream in order to attract the hirogen to hunt them and the leprosy dudes to steal their organs.

Re:Having written for voyager isn't a good thing (2, Informative)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149245)

Fuller's episodes tended to be a lot more character based. The technobabble episodes tended to be written by Brannon Braga.

Re:Having written for voyager isn't a good thing (1)

christurkel (520220) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149573)

You are an idiot. You forgot that the leprosy dudes used reversed anti-proton streams to steal organs. Sheesh.

Re:Having written for voyager isn't a good thing (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149729)

Voyager is an anomaly in the fiction world in that its writers can improve their resumes by adding "(fanfic only)" at the end of the line. Without looking into which episodes he wrote and then watching them, I can't be certain, but if he is responsible for writing his way out of the crack in the event horizon of a black hole then only harm will come of this.

I loved Pushing Daises but... (1)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 5 years ago | (#27148999)

I loved Pushing Daises but it failed fair and square. Nobody monkeyed seriously with the time slot. It was a lead-in to mega-popular Grey's Anatomy for most of its run. Nobody watched Pushing Daisies though. I'm a little hesitant for the creator of that show to take the production helm of Star Trek. It would be awesome, but I'm a afraid it will be a fringe show with too small an audience.

Re:I loved Pushing Daises but... (1)

Beer_Smurf (700116) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149479)

You should give Dead Like Me a try. I even liked Wonderfalls.

pushing daisies (2, Interesting)

JeffSh (71237) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149021)

pushing daisies was amazing and it wasn't until the show was canceled and i started looking around that i even realized who fuller was, but have since recognized that I have long enjoyed his work without knowing who he was.

Now I know who to credit for all the entertainment that I really liked (Voyager, Season 1 heroes, Pushing daisies...)

It's a shame that pushing daisies didn't make it. I think the show was a huge victim of the writer's strike. The shortened first season killed the audience and it never recovered. it's been very disappointing for my wife and I because the shows we can watch and enjoy together are few and far between, and this was one we both really liked.

We also both really liked Heroes Season 1, but Season 2 was a complete disaster and neither of us watch it any more. It's weird how it all seems to be about fuller's presence or absence (in hindsight).

They hired Fuller for writing on Heroes again, but I think it's too late. They should just kill the show.

Oh well.

yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149027)

Hum this seems a rather ilogic decision coming from a carbon based lifeform. Rape the series more with big breasted cylons... i mean borgs.

Re:yeah right. (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149075)

Something tells me Fuller won't be nearly as big into the big-breasted ladies as you might think. I think we're more likely to see buff dudes.

Let the grim reaper do his job (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149029)

Sometimes a soul should just be allowed to pass over. Let that field lie fallow for a decade or so at least.

Re:Let the grim reaper do his job (2, Interesting)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149443)

Make it twenty. When you can't stretch a modern Star Trek series more than four years, and your final episode is focused around characters from another series entirely, you need to let the horse rot for a while instead of lashing it some more.

All I know (4, Funny)

Luke has no name (1423139) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149047)

Rick Berman: TNG
Bryan Fuller: Failed ABC series and Voyager

OP loses credit

Re:All I know (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149119)

Rick Berman: reason Enterprise failed and responsible for Nemesis

They need to get Manny Coto back for the show!

Re:All I know (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149257)

Nemesis and Enterprise vs Voyager.

I can't even think of a joke that doesn't involve sodomy.

Re:All I know (3, Interesting)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149321)

Rick Berman is the reason Star Trek became Star Twrecked. Let's get positions casted, put putty on someone's nose, rinse and repeat.
TNG and DS9 didn't have a token vulcan so Voyager got a black vulcan and Enterprise had a female vulcan. The guy doesn't know how to put a character together.
All his movies with the exception of First Contact sucked and got progressively worse.

Part of the charm of TOS was the banter of Kirk, McCoy and Spock. It was 3 guys diametrically opposed at work in different situations. That was the formula that none of the other series had. Enterprise was the closest but didn't know what it had and failed to deliver.

To boldly go ... (1)

ScaledLizard (1430209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149051)

Haven't they gone everywhere where no man has gone before by now?

Trailer, Really? (4, Funny)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149079)

"If J.J. Abrams' reboot is successful (and the latest trailer suggests it will be!)..."

Yes, because trailers are always the best source for determining a film's success. In fact, why bother releasing the movie, since its success is assured?

Re:Trailer, Really? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149675)

You can judge movies by the amount of good scenes that were not in a trailer before. Too often, it's been zero lately.

I hope not? (3, Insightful)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149101)

Voyager? Wasn't that the worst one of all? That machine should have been a little more banged up at the end but yet they had even more resources than when they started out. I know trek is BS but damn the same stories over and over get old after a while.

Let it die for a few more years at least.

Re:I hope not? (2, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149207)

Voyager? Wasn't that the worst one of all?

If you honestly believe that, then I envy your ability to completely erase Enterprise from your memory.

Does the world really need more Trek sequels? If we have to make sequels, couldn't we at least make one in the Babylon 5 or Blake's 7 universe?

Re:I hope not? (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149365)

No, because Warner Brothers refuses to pay for more B5, and the BBC can't afford to pay for more B7. :p

Re:I hope not? (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149439)

Well, he also wrote "Company Man", one of the better Heroes episodes. Some bits of Voyager were good, maybe he was responsible for some of that as well.

Lost interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149109)

Oh god no... "The new adventures of Star Trek".
One of the great things about ST is that each episode came to a conclusion - if they make it like "lost" it'll be destroyed

Re:Lost interest (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149437)

Deep Space Nine begs to differ.

Got to be kidding (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149117)

If J.J. Abrams' reboot is successful (and the latest trailer suggests it will be!)

You're assessing a film based on its trailer? Have you ever seen both a film and its trailer? Did you notice a pattern as to the worth of trailers in judging films? I really hope that was a weak attempt at a joke.

As for the series, let it rest a while. 2015 might be a good time to think about it.

Re:Got to be kidding (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149379)

The movie (series if it happens) will never be able to compare to the original series. 79 hours of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy (albeit that most of it sucked; the performances were key and carried us through and made it memorable) > 8 hours of new Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.

Also, if the trailers and media are an indication of quality of the film, it appears that McCoy is just a bit part and Uhura is part of the new officer triangle; Kirk, Uhura, and Spock.

Re:Got to be kidding (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149695)

No, duuuuuh. Three guys hanging out in college without a single chick in sight. That's either unrealistic or ends in something that has no chance to be shown on prime time US TV.

Star Trek is in "The Future" (4, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149139)

Star Trek was always a fantasy to me as an engineer about what 'could be'. Just over the progression of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY you could see incremental improvements in technology. Voice controls actually worked, bio-neural networks, etc. STOP recreating (and fucking up) the original story line.

TOS happened, it's done with. Quit going before it. Stop milking the lives of Scotty, Kirk, or the beginning of the beginning of the federation.

Set something 90 years out from the end of VOY. Put the first Cardassian (or other former enemy) on the bridge (Worf). Maybe bump up Warp speed or another method of going fast (But not Warp 10 retarded shit VOY broke out). Invite some scientists writers, the writers of Futurama, to the initial writings and get some pseudo-science based technologies. Just make up some new shiny tech. Don't fill it with too much technobabble. (Stargate was a good balance in my mind).

You could easily make it dark too. DS9 is hands down my favorite series.
Federation Civil War?
Fall of the Federation?

STOP GOING BACK IN TIME.

Re:Star Trek is in "The Future" (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149259)

Federation Civil War?
Fall of the Federation?

Andromeda was, apparently, originally meant to be the sequel to ST:TNG. The Federation would be betrayed by one of its allies and collapse into a civil war and the story would follow an attempt to rebuild it.

The folks at Paramount didn't want it. They felt it would be too dark for Star Trek and not have the hopeful feel that the rest of the series had.

Re:Star Trek is in "The Future" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149367)

Federation Civil War?

Fall of the Federation?

Andromeda was, apparently, originally meant to be the sequel to ST:TNG. The Federation would be betrayed by one of its allies and collapse into a civil war and the story would follow an attempt to rebuild it.

The folks at Paramount didn't want it. They felt it would be too dark for Star Trek and not have the hopeful feel that the rest of the series had.

citation needed

Re:Star Trek is in "The Future" (1)

HalifaxRage (640242) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149343)

"Fall of the Federation?" that was called "Andromeda"

Re:Star Trek is in "The Future" (1)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149451)

"(But not Warp 10 retarded shit VOY broke out)"

Then you must find the warp 12(or something ridiculous like that) even more absurd and that happened during TNG(with the traveler).

Re:Star Trek is in "The Future" (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149593)

And didn't Beverly's medical ship (in the future) do Warp 13?

I just to know this: If you are traveling faster than light, and you turn on your headlights, do you have to look behind you to see them?

I vote for Kirk and Spock (4, Interesting)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149503)

Frankly the whole charm of the TOS was that it wasn't -that- far into the future, and the basic characters just worked.

By creating Kirk and Spock and the rest of the crew of the Enterprise, Roddenberry gave us the modern equivalent of a Hercules myth. We can milk Kirk and Spock for two thousands years, and, if we are as good as the Greeks, we should.

And frankly, I'm sick of all the darkness in present science fiction. Science is advancing more all the time and if there was ever a time for optimism based on a scientific society, NOW is it. Humanity can improve, and will improve, and having a series that reminds us of what our future could be, if we chose to do it, and reminds us of our ongoing moral obligations, is a damned fine thing.

Sick of all these moral halfwits running around in sci-fi these days. Poor Adam's crying again on Galactica. Big woosy. Poor Col Tigh's drinking again, and he's a fricking Cylon. That show had all sorts of promise and then they made Adam cry all the time and Tigh into a Cylon. What the frak is that. I'm sick of complexity in characters. I want -Gods-.

Re:Star Trek is in "The Future" (1)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149565)

I think a dark theme would be the best way to go. It would be easier to connect to since it would be close to the spirit of the times we live in. We don't trust the government, we don't trust companies, we don't trust fellow citizens. America is stuck in two long wars, and the world is going through a deep recession.

TV dramas have turned darker to fit the mood, 24, Lost, Battlestar Galactica, Heroes. Star Trek's wide-eyed optimism and lust for exploration of the new and unknown feels alien. Tom Paris's "Captain Proton" hobby pokes fun at how campy those old TV shows were, which just underscores how out-of-place Star Trek seems in today's line-up.

Which isn't to say that the Star Trek setting is useless. I think Deep Space 9 works the best for today's audience, and branching off into a show about Section 31 would be a perfect fit. Take the emphasis back off the new and unknown, and see how the futuristic technology already introduced into the show influences their society and their interactions. The internet is continually presenting us with challenges for adaptation, how is the Federation coping with their information security and privacy issues?

Re:Star Trek is in "The Future" (1)

Hellasboy (120979) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149751)

No offense, but the whole excessive improvements in technology over the course of a show has really started me turning away from lots of sci-fi. Kind of similar to the obsession with always going back in time.

For example, how many times have shows found new technology in order to deal with their imminent problem(s)?
"We can't make it in time" "Eureka! I found a way to increase our warp speed!"
"We don't know what's causing this phenomena" "Eureka! I found a new particle that explains it perfectly!"
"We have no way of providing enough power" "Eureka! Our scientists have developed a Naquida generator!"
etc.

It screams of lazy writing.

Reboots usually are good because they do away with this. However, if a reboot is popular enough and runs for a long enough time, the writers start running out of ideas and you begin getting incredible advances in technology to write around dealing with problems.

old skool (1)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149149)

So does that mean punch ups, nasty kisses and Vulcan's shouting 'The Women!!!'

Cooooool!

How do you reinvent Trek? (5, Insightful)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149165)

You'd have to change the animal so much that it wouldn't seem recognizable. The old formula has become such a cliche that there's absolutely nothing you can reuse from it. Reset button at the end of the episode, lame. Space anomalies, lame. Gritty scifi future with lots of angst, made lame by overexposure on Galactica. Aliens who look exactly like us save for bumpy foreheads? I could buy it when I was younger but it's just ridiculous these days. (I'll probably be in the minority on this one.) Time-travel plots, squishy techno-babble science plots, holodeck plots, everything that makes Trek Trek is what's been killing it. It's like asking "Can we make a healthy Big Mac?" Yeah, and by the time you're done removing everything that's bad about that burger, you're left with nothing but lettuce and sesame seeds.

I'd say Firefly was a great model on how to do a space show that wasn't Trek but it died after a season. I'm not really sure how that happened given the fan support, it must have just been Fox superdickery more than anything else. But aside from that, Firefly gave us a space show that was like Trek only in so much as there were spaceships -- everything else was as different from Trek as it was from other shows. Even the basic premise -- "Imagine you made a TV show about Han Solo before he and Chewie joined the Rebellion" -- even that description carries certain assumptions the show blew away.

Galactica has good production values and good acting but the writing is a crime. Half of the uber-plot of the show is a mystery, what's the Cylon's angle? What are their motivations? Why did they do what they did? And a good mystery writer needs to know how it happened before the first chapter's written because support for the whodunnit has to be written in to every subsequent chapter. Not having a clue and just pulling it out of his ass at the end is cheap and unsatisfying and that's the approach Galactica's taken. Heroes as well for that matter, and Heroes season 1 was completely awesome, it was only the later post-Fuller seasons that turned into a giant crap sandwich. But as far as BSG goes, the original was completely derivative of Star Wars and the remake seems to draw a lot more from network dramas in terms of pacing and feel.

I'd say Babylon 5 was the true post-Trek show. You could see the inspiration from Trek but it also drew on a hell of a lot of other sources, really steeped in scifi goodness. It moved beyond what Trek was and DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, they were all muddling around at the same level. They never really rose to the challenge. The times they tried, they were just ripping off B5 plots instead of doing something bigger, better, and smarter. And that's sad because for all of the greatness that was B5, there was still room for improvement.

I remain in the "stick a fork in Trek and call it done" camp. I'll take a look at the new movie just to be charitable but my expectations are extremely low. I'm willing to be surprised. I just feel that if they really want to do a wonders of space exploration and discovery show, they should really nix the whole Trek thing and come up with something brand new. The CGI has come so far these days, they can get away with stuff that couldn't have been imagined.

Re:How do you reinvent Trek? (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149313)

I wonder if it'd work to revamp the CG on B5 with modern tech and full-battles instead of the 90's era "same 3 scenes" style battles and then re-release it as a new show.

Since there's no production cost other than redoing the graphics they can probably afford to weather through the first season or two's soap opera in space setup before Sheridan starts making it all better.

Re:How do you reinvent Trek? (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149349)

Make it a legal drama [battlestarwiki.org] on a planet you know gets destroyed in a few years so everything that happens is irrelevant.

Oh, I thought you wanted how NOT to reinvent a story.

Re:How do you reinvent Trek? (2, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149361)

But aside from that, Firefly gave us a space show that was like Trek only in so much as there were spaceships -- everything else was as different from Trek as it was from other shows.

Man, it was Buffy in space. Is that really a good thing?

Re:How do you reinvent Trek? (1)

gizmo2199 (458329) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149519)

Maybe they can do a show where the protagonist is a kooky, yet at times fearsome lord of time,

who's a pacifist, and has a female sidekick,

and the biggest threat to the universe is a salt shaker with a plunger sticking out of it.

But you'd have to be crazy to even possibly begin to comprehend the undertaking of such a show.

If only there existed such a person.

Re:How do you reinvent Trek? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149585)

may i be allowed to present to you (in an unread 0 score post) a set of stories?

Han Solo -
        * The Paradise Snare by A.C. Crispin
        * The Hutt Gambit by A.C. Crispin
        * Rebel Dawn by A.C. Crispin

  "The series serves as a prequel to the events of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. The trilogy follows the origins of Han Solo before the movies, and helps further establish his character."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Han_Solo_Trilogy

i thank all you, who set the score to 0 to read this. or looked for the hidden posts. good day to ye all

Re:How do you reinvent Trek? (1)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149619)

It's like asking "Can we make a healthy Big Mac?" Yeah, and by the time you're done removing everything that's bad about that burger, you're left with nothing but lettuce and sesame seeds.

That depends, are you allergic to sesame seeds? :-p

Re:How do you reinvent Trek? (1)

daMosh (1087921) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149627)

AMEN! I'm a huge Star Trek fan, some may even call me a Trekkie (but I've never gone to a convention nor do I own pointy ears). That said I'm disgusted that anyone would try to go back and mess with Kirk. Love him or hate him Shattner "IS" James Tiberius Kirk; Nemoy "IS" Spock and you just can't replace, remake or reboot them! Leave Trek alone, let it die in peace. Or, if there is an insistence then yeah, do something in the future with new tech and new characters. Don't try remaking the old favorites. The whole thing just pisses me off.

Now, I love Pushing Daisies... (2, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149185)

And I think this is a good thing, but I can't help hearing the voice of the pushing Daisies narrator doing the classic Trek introduction.

"Our five year 3 days and 32 minute minute mission..."

No no no ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149195)

with the style and impact of Fringe or Lost.

No! Please no! Not another series with a never-ending, meandering story arc constantly redeveloped by a committee of writers that doesn't go anywhere.

Go back to the original ST where each episode stood by itself and was written by people with good ideas that weren't interested in developing a space soap opera. Let's get some action and adventure like the new Dr Who and not "The Bold and The Beautiful"in space.

Re:No no no ! (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149289)

Go back to the original ST where each episode stood by itself and was written by people with good ideas that weren't interested in developing a space soap opera.

Um, but Star Trek is a space opera [wikipedia.org] and there essentially was a story arch in TOS, it was just canceled by the network before it had time to fully develop. That's at least part of what the movies were about.

Not sure about the reboot. (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149351)

As excited as I am for the new film (And this is from someone who was never a fan of TOS), I'm not sure continuing on the reboot with a new series is such a good idea.
I don't feel the Star Trek universe is in any way "finished", 2 of it's most successful incarnations had nothing to do with the Enterprise, while one of them that did was a near-failure on nearly all fronts. There's a lot of scope left there that could easily be looked into.

My issue with the reboot is that it's set to create two completely different star trek universes, which I feel will do more harm than good. It'd be like George Lucas recreating Star Wars, with all the same characters, except in an alternate universe. Sure, it might be a bit cool as a one-off, ala Superman growing up in the USSR, but if you run with it, you end up dividing the fanbase.

more ToS would be a step backwards (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149359)

The original series was all about shoot it, kill it, destroy it.

I had hoped that,as a society we had matured past this fear of the unknown or different. Maybe not.

However, to produce a more thoughtful, TNG-like series does require more writing talent that simply the ability to produce cheap thrills from excess body-counts (heroes: are you listening? thought not). In the current climate, the money people might just decide to fall back on the old blood and thunder recipe just to scrape some extra revenue, rather than pick up the chance to produce good television.

Worked on Voyager? Woof. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149371)

Hand the franchise over to Ron Moore and brace for awesome.

I saw Janeway (2, Interesting)

gizmo2199 (458329) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149393)

Rather, Kate Mulgrew entering a restaurant near Times Square a couple of months back.

I heard the voice then I did a double take, and sure enough it was her.

She looked old.

I was tempted to go in and say hi, but I'm not that much of a geek.

Hmm... (1)

kabocox (199019) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149417)

I'd actually prefer something like this be made and sold straight to DVD. I think Star Trek or Star Wars both could easily sell just about any show that they produced straight to DVD. They'd manage 3-4 seasons without a sweat. Actually, I think that it's far past time for a Star Wars TV series.

I've always liked Trek, but it's felt bland for awhile. They are always presented as being one thing but very soon they all bring out their Kirk side. This refers to every federation leader that we've seen.

I miss B5. I feel that it managed to set a standard that Star Trek should easily be able to match or better. I mean come on any Trek series should be able to make it 5 seasons. They should easily be able to add those little background things B5 had to pull it all together. If anything, I've been kinda disappointed in Trek lately.

It's kinda sad that the series wants to return to its roots and go out to find hot alien women.

Like what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149425)

Fringe? I don't thing any trekkie wants ST to be similar to Fringe. Fringe ignores word 'science' in SF :P

It'll fail (5, Insightful)

Sqreater (895148) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149433)

They just don't get it anymore. But I'll say it anyway. Science fiction and superhero comics are about satisfying male adolescent psychology. Stray from that with ass-kicking females wielding blasters and you will crash and burn. No female captains. No ass kicking female aliens. Male to male conflict. Have a strong, even arrogant male lead who is the ONE WHO IS QUICKER, SMARTER, almost all the time. It is NOT a group effort. It is about a superior male captain. Look to the original Kirk. Note that Spiderman succeeded and made a LOT of money. Unsure adolescent male becomes confident, capable, and powerful when he puts on the spiderman personality. And he saves the FEMALE....who does not kick his butt anywhere in the movies. Nor does she somehow acquire powers of her own to satisfy modern Political Correctness. As for a Vulcan, the Vulcan MUST be a blend of Vulcan and Human. It is not optional. The Vulcan exists entirely to explore human psychological and social truths. By itself, a Vulcan is a piece of cardboard.

One more point of many more I could make. Science fiction has taken the depressing direction of the failure of humanity. Star Trek I was about the success of mankind. Get back to that. Apparently "serious" series makers did not feel very adult making a story in which mankind succeeds. Ok, do it again. Get them lost. Get them destroyed. Get them wandering around. Make the characters "real" by making them mean, nasty, slutty, jerks. Make them inferior and struggling. Have the female characters engage in comments about how stupid, inferior, ridiculous, juvenile male motivations and behavior are. Fail as a series.

Oh, and don't engage in the ridiculous, like making a holographic doctor or having an alien doctor who knows more about human medicine than humans. Jeesh, who came up with that grating piece of nonsense? Someone making a job for a friend? And the sick bay should not be bigger and more technologically advanced than the bridge. etc etc etc.

The future will be more of the same, only different. Remember that.

Wait a decade before thinking about it (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149481)

Wait until 10 years after the last cancellation before thinking about a new TV show. If there is pent-up demand, you've ensured yourself of success even if the product is mediocre. If there's not, don't waste your time.

What about a show about Starfleet Academy? (2, Interesting)

beinh0wer (116091) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149505)

I think it would be a nice twist if they created a new show about Starfleet Academy. Set it in the post Nemesis Star Trek universe so as not to step on the toes of either TOS, TNG, or the JJ Abrams reboot. The story could follow the life of a select group of cadets through the rigors and trials of attending and graduating from the Academy. Would definitely allow them to provide a more 'human' look at the Star Trek universe while still getting technical enough to appease the Trekkies. Another benefit is that at the end of the show's run at the Academy, we would have a new crew, fresh out of the Academy to put on a starship for a 5 year mission and see them grow through the ranks.

JUST DON'T MAKE IT A SOAP OPERA... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149513)

I'm so tired of it being a soap opera where you have to catch every episode to know what's happening. That's why I stopped watching Enterprise. That series had such great potential, but they wasted it ALL in the very first episode, and then jumped way past TOS, Next Gen and Voyager. SAD.

If somebody brings back Star Trek, they need to do it like Doctor Who, or the original series, where each episode stands pretty much on its own, even if there is some kind of tie to something else.

Pick up nearly any episode form ST:TOS and you can watch it without the need to go back and watch something else. That's the way it should be.

Mulligans are ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149645)

Maybe I have a bit too much of my mother in me. Dunno. But watching that trailer make me choke up a bit.

The wife and I were sitting on the couch recently and we were talking about how we used to go to the movies in the 80s and you had an original B movie every week. We spoke about how there hasn't been a good space movie recently and how that genre seemed dead.

Trek and Terminator Salvation came up. We spoke about how even old ideas can instill excitement. She's not a terminator fan. She's been watching Sarah Connor Chronicles with me and said: "The new Terminator should have TV ads where it looks like a genuine product ad - maybe it would be a real product ad. Then as happy man is on the train or as wife is brushing her teeth the terminator appears violently and briefly. Fade to black with the word. "It is inevitable, prepare." Reboots can be done right.

Old ideas can have new life. Modernise it, make it timely. Trek can do this. It was the first show to do a lot of things and can do it again. Bring it.

The end of Star Trek? (1)

readin (838620) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149663)

Fuller wrote twenty one Star Trek episodes over four years, two in Deep Space Nine's final season, and the rest for Voyager.

So the guy wrote 19 episodes of Voyager? I worry that if runs a new TV series, it could be the final nail in Star Trek's coffin.

technology and race inflation (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 5 years ago | (#27149721)

Each series had to trump the previous with more fantastic technology and odder races.
This became kind of weird int he prequel series Enterprise.

No more previous Star Trek timelines (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27149723)

OK, Trek has always been about "boldly going forward" so WHY, after the miserable failure that Enterprise was (IMHO), are they continuing going back yet again. I mean, even in Enterprise, the enemy was a time traveler!

Go forward, not back.

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