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UK To Mull High Video Game Taxes — To Fight Knife Crime

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the so-it's-like-a-hunting-license dept.

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chareverie writes "The Prime Minister of the UK is being urged to impose high taxes on violent video games in an effort to reduce the number of knife-related crime. The request comes from Richard Taylor, who argues that young people 'feel that the law has no control over them. They just feel that they can go on the streets and do whatever they like.' He doesn't have a definitive number on how much to tax on the offensive video games, but says that they should be 'very high.' Rap music is also voiced to be a concern due to the alleged negativity and language. Taylor's son, Damilola Taylor, was killed in November 2000 at the age of 10 by knife stabbing."

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Correlation... (4, Funny)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153343)

Correlation is causation! Mwahaha.

Re:Correlation... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153455)

Exactly. I knew a kid from bible camp 12 years ago who now is in federal prison for killing and wearing the skin of 16 flemish prostitutes. I always knew Jesus killed, but now that I know video games also kill, what will save us all? We must seek Mel Gibson for council.

Re:Correlation... (1)

Muad'Dave (255648) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153683)

Did they put the lotion on their skin?

Seriously, that's just appalling. /me shivers...

English doesn't have a decent plural for 'it' - 'they/their' just don't cut it as the plural for "It puts the lotion on its skin."

Re:Correlation... (4, Funny)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153467)

It's quite amazing this guy figured out the underlying cause of an amazingly complex set of interrelated processes in society. They should get this guy working on the economy so he can tell us the one thing we need to do to get out of the recession.

Re:Correlation... (4, Funny)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153521)

At least we know that the key to solving Global Warming lies off the coast of Somalia. ;)

Re:Correlation... (1)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153805)

The tax revenue from the games will be used to stimulate the economy, taking care of the recession.

Re:Correlation... (2, Interesting)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153807)

They should get this guy working on the economy so he can tell us the one thing we need to do to get out of the recession.

Stop institutionalizing and disenfranchising your youth. Stop encouraging your children to sterilize themselves. Wait a generation or two. Problem solved.

Oh, you want to actually enjoy life while you're young?

Exterminate the dependent elderly until they only represent a small portion of the population. Continue to sterilize yourselves so the dependent young never represent more than a small portion of the population.

Then you too can be totally self-centered and enjoy the Boomer Dream.

Better plan on committing suicide the moment you no longer are able to work, because there will be no care forthcoming from the next generation.

Re:Correlation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27154017)

Straw man arguments are lies.

Re:Correlation... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153567)

While what you say is true, the whole fact is negated by you being a flaming douchebag on the ass end of a syphilitic and menstrual pachyderm. Sorry!

Re:Correlation... (4, Insightful)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153583)

Obligatory xkcd for you, and it's even a recent one: correlation [xkcd.org].

Unfortunately, most idiots who spout drivel like this don't even have a strong correlation in the first place. Sales of violent video games may be up, and knife crimes might be up, but is it even the kids playing the games committing the crimes?

Giving adolescents more productive things to do is the best way to fight teen crime. If they're busy earning money, cleaning the parks as volunteers, acting in community theatre, playing music, dancing, painting, or playing organized sports they're less likely (and have less free time) to go out and commit crimes.

Re:Correlation... (4, Insightful)

vishbar (862440) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153783)

If it's anything like the US, then the kids buying video games are probably not the ones going around stabbing folks. Violent crime tends to correlate with a lower income bracket...whereas a kid who buys lots of violent video games for his next-gen console and HDTV probably comes from a higher-income family.

Re:Correlation... (2, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153971)

whereas a kid who buys lots of violent video games for his next-gen console and HDTV probably comes from a higher-income family.

Or knows how to use bittorrent and a soldering iron ;)

Re:Correlation... (5, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153861)

Unfortunately, most idiots who spout drivel like this don't even have a strong correlation in the first place. Sales of violent video games may be up, and knife crimes might be up, but is it even the kids playing the games committing the crimes?

It's worse than that. Knife crime is down [bbc.co.uk]. The number of people injured by knives and other sharp instruments is down [bbc.co.uk] (although not by as much as was previously reported). Incidence of violent crime in general is down. [bbc.co.uk]

This hysteria and panic is caused by, well, nothing. Except the fact that for some unknown reason over the last 5 years the media has become much more likely to report each and every incident of violence with a knife that they get to hear about.

So, if there is any correlation, it's a negative one: more video games, less knife crime.

Re:Correlation... (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154063)

Correlation is causation! Mwahaha.

If you ask me, the UK government is in denial over the correlation between the rise in knife violence and its ban on firearms.

Please correct my logic (5, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153345)

People spending more time playing video games have less time to stab people.

Re:Please correct my logic (4, Insightful)

vishbar (862440) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153423)

I wonder if this will have an opposite effect than intended. Now instead of being able to vent their frustration on the Helghast, that knife on the kitchen table looks mightily attractive...

Plus, if you've gotten to the point that you want to stab someone, you have a mental problem...sucks that the UK government is punishing the citizenry for the acts of a few disturbed individuals.

Re:Please correct my logic (1, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154015)

sucks that the UK government is punishing the citizenry for the acts of a few disturbed individuals.

I think they started that [wikipedia.org] sometime ago.....

Re:Please correct my logic (4, Funny)

RabidMoose (746680) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153449)

They also develop better hand-eye coordination, a foundation of stabbing abilities.

^^sarcasm

Re:Please correct my logic (2, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153793)

They also develop better hand-eye coordination, a foundation of stabbing abilities.

While that's true, button-smashing is even less applicable to stabbing than what you do playing Wii Sports Tennis is to playing actual tennis. If there was a "Wii Stab" game, you'd probably play most efficiently by sitting in a chair and using a bicycle pumping motion (what?) to do the stabbing.

Re:Please correct my logic (5, Funny)

kick6 (1081615) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153507)

Please correct my logic

This is the part where you fail. You erroneously assume that logic comes into play in the English government.

Re:Please correct my logic (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154057)

You erroneously assume that logic comes into play with government.

Fixed that for you ;)

Plus (4, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153603)

Plus there is the minor side issue that most video games use guns, not knives to inflict damage. It sounds like the proponent of this tax are yet another example of knee-jerk reactionaries with a hate-on for video games and rap music. Why is it that such nutbars are even heard by government, much less seriously considered?

Re:Please correct my logic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153997)

It depends what games they are playing. If they're playing knife stabbing games, they will become better at it. So while they may be spending less time stabbing people, they will be much more efficient at it and thus the overall number of stabbing incidents will actually increase over time. Logic prevails!

God damn it. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153349)

I fucking know who this makes me want to stab.

eat my shorts slashdot !! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153353)

Eat my shorts slashdot !!

Re:eat my shorts slashdot !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27154021)

They need salt.

1990 America Redux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153359)

Didn't we deal with this kind of stuff already in America in the 1990s?

Re:1990 America Redux (1)

Daravon (848487) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153899)

We've been dealing with this all throughout history. Right now video games are evil. Before that, loud music. Go back far enough, and the first caveman to make fire probably had a rock thrown at him for trying to corrupt "the children".

Well, next... (5, Funny)

halivar (535827) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153385)

Now that they've done away with all gun and knife crimes, they need to fight shillelagh crimes. Shillelagh crimes have been steadily on the rise, doubling from one to two in just ten years. Even worse, some oafs are starting to hammer nails into their shillelaghs, just so they have metal pokey-bits to inflict more damage.

We need to tax all carpenters and lumberyards in the UK, or our youth will pay a terrible price in violence and fear.

Re:Well, next... (5, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153461)

Whew! For a minute, I thought you wanted to tax me Lucky Charms.

Re:Well, next... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153591)

While I'm sure they've been lucky in saving you from STDs, do you really consider them lucky if you're just going to die a virgin anyways? :D

HUH? (5, Insightful)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153393)

If raising taxes is a method of fighting crime (it's not, but supposing it is) then why not raise taxes on the sale of knives ?

Re:HUH? (1)

mattwarden (699984) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153859)

Um, yes, why not do that? If the sale of knives creates some danger in society, than it should be taxed equal to that danger and the funds should go toward extra police or similar.

Raising taxes can indeed be a way of fighting crime.

Re:HUH? (1)

DrVomact (726065) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154053)

If raising taxes is a method of fighting crime (it's not, but supposing it is) then why not raise taxes on the sale of knives ?

Because the vaunted chefs of England would rise in revolt, brandishing their filet knives!

Oblig Chris Rock (1)

billius (1188143) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154071)

Everybody is talking about violent video game control. Got to control the violent video games. Fuck, that, I like violent video games. No, I think we need some knife control. I think every knife should cost five thousand pounds. Five thousand pounds for a knife. Know why? Cos if a knife cost five thousand pounds, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be stabbed you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, that other guy put 5,000 pounds into stabbing his ass!' And people'd think before they stabbed someone 'Man I would cut your fucking head off, if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man. You'd better hope I don't get no knives on lay-away!'

Separation of problem and solution (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153401)

The youth of Britain apparently feel that the law has no control over them (something I agree is probably the case).

So you solve that by... raising taxes? It doesn't even matter on what, it might as well be rutabagas for the good it does you in terms of solving the problem. How is making video games that thugs want more expensive so they have to knife four more people to get the funds really going to help?

Instead, how about imposing some more forceful law over those that feel the law is irrelevant to their actions? When actions start having real consequences, people can and will change.

Re:Separation of problem and solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153601)

This. Harsher punishment, because after all criminals expect to get caught and rationally consider the consequences of their actions. that's why capital punishment is so effective in stopping murder in the US of A, and..

wait no

Re:Separation of problem and solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153679)

We have capital punishment here?

Re:Separation of problem and solution (5, Funny)

pluther (647209) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153637)

Instead, how about imposing some more forceful law over those that feel the law is irrelevant to their actions? When actions start having real consequences, people can and will change.

Exactly.

So, instead of raising taxes on video games, they should impose a tax on stabbing people.

Re:Separation of problem and solution (1)

Onaga (1369777) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153655)

When actions start having real correlations, people can and will change.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Separation of problem and solution (3, Informative)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153951)

Didn't you get the memo?

Enforcing the law in the UK is just sooooo last century.

We don't do that any more, it's just not cool. No, what we do instead is bring in hundreds of new laws outlawing things that were already illegal (terrorist activity), remove a few liberties whilst we're at it, direct the police towards legitimate protest and speech (they're all terrorists now!), bring in nebulous measures like ASBOs which allow anyone to enjoy the feeling of the courts coming down on them and imposing restrictions on their lives over any trivial matter that doesn't even have to be illegal... all whilst shouting about drugs and morality.

this is just one more reason I'm getting the hell out.

Re:Separation of problem and solution (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153991)

Oh, and tax, I forgot to mention tax.

Tax is now the way to achieve anything in the UK. Anything at all, the solution is to take more tax from those that earn money in the private sector and use it to set up yet another government office.

Wanna know why our economy is in the crapper? The public sector in this country is a millstone around our collective necks. I'm not even taling about the NHS (I'm massively pro NHS), it's the endless council workers that do... what? Sweet FA most of the time as far as I can tell.

Why not tax (4, Insightful)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153411)

, you know, knives?

Re:Why not tax (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153561)

No, the REAL problem here is knife sheaths. They're the enablers that let thugs carry the knives in the first place. Tax the sheaths, and no one will be able to carry their knives around, and hence will not be able to stab people. Flawless.

Re:Why not tax (2, Funny)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153693)

What about belts, man? Without belts there would be no sheaths. Maybe we should just ban clothes for everyone from 18-25. Oh wait then you get into a different set of nutjobs.

Re:Why not tax (1)

Daravon (848487) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153953)

The real problem is knife HANDLES! If knives were nothing but sharp bits, nobody could hold them to stab people!

Once the government approves funding for my next study, I'll let you know the evils of thick gloves.

Re:Why not tax (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154127)

No, no, no. You've both got it wrong. The real culprit here is the human hand. Tax that and you're half-way home to a solution!

=Smidge=

Yay Britain (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153413)

Gotta love the British who enact law simply because one person has a tragedy that might have been averted.

They pulled this a few years ago with violent porn, where some woman was raped and killed, and the cops found some violent porn in his house, and proceeded to outlawing the porn, to prevent the porn from causing the feelings of rape in the guy, or something like that. Makes no sense to me.

They would be better off (5, Insightful)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153425)

if they would put police on the street. Apparently, spy cameras don't deter knife crime unless someone actually gets arrested for it.

An obvious red herring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153443)

... but one our Govt probably will give credence to in order to be seen to be doing the right thing by middle-class voters unimpressed by recent performance on the economy.

In other news, the Chancellor announces a tax on tails to discourage them from wagging dogs...

WTF? (1)

Dracophile (140936) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153447)

Why not, if we must permit them to beg the question, tax knives instead?

Because it's just a tax-grab, that's why.

Twisted statistics to bring more revenue (4, Informative)

Keith_Beef (166050) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153453)

The British gov't has systematically distorted statistics and selectively presented data in order to advance its own agenda.

This latest ploy probably has little to do with crime, and more to do with bringing in more cash to fund the gov't's pet projects. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7780057.stm [bbc.co.uk] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7781030.stm [bbc.co.uk]

K

Re:Twisted statistics to bring more revenue (4, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154005)

The British gov't has systematically distorted statistics and selectively presented data in order to advance its own agenda.

Indeed. And so, too, has the media. As a consequence, while violent crime has dropped 8% over the last year, 65% of people polled thought it had increased [bbc.co.uk].

Anybody here in the UK who isn't reading Mark Easton's blog [bbc.co.uk] needs to add it to their RSS client now. I mean, before you even consider reading the next comment.

When the law no control over itself (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153481)

How can anyone seriously expect it to hold sway over anybody else? The kids are only following the examples set by their leaders. Especially disheartening as we discover how deeply the corruption permeates everything.

Some also want knives banned (4, Interesting)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153489)

Some people in the UK are also calling for the ban of any pointed chef's knives [bbc.co.uk]. These people claim that there's no possible reason for a knife to have a point to it except to stab people. Now, I'm not a chef, but I've done my share of cooking. I will often use the pointed tip of my knife to "stab" a food item if the food (like, say tomatoes) resists my initial slice attempts (e.g. looks like it's going to squish instead of slice cleanly). What's next? Ban scissors? Box cutters (not just from planes but any possession of)? Swiss Army Knives?

Re:Some also want knives banned (1)

Praxx (918463) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153729)

Some people in the UK are also calling for the ban of any pointed chef's knives. These people claim that there's no possible reason for a knife to have a point to it except to stab people. Now, I'm not a chef, but I've done my share of cooking. I will often use the pointed tip of my knife to "stab" a food item if the food (like, say tomatoes) resists my initial slice attempts (e.g. looks like it's going to squish instead of slice cleanly). What's next? Ban scissors? Box cutters (not just from planes but any possession of)? Swiss Army Knives?

Correct - a law against pointed knives would outlaw, for example, paring knives; making it difficult to peel certain fruits. Besides, many knives are equally effective at causing harm using just the bladed edge (think butcher knives.)

Re:Some also want knives banned (1)

myVarNamesAreTooLon (1474005) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154047)

The solution: Ban fresh food, you may now only eat canned/boxed/frozen goods that require no dangerous tools. That eliminates any reason to use a knife for any (legal) purpose, right?

let's encourage copyright violation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153491)

Putting a high tax on legitimate sales of games and rap music just provides a huge incentive to copy them without respect for copyright.

Sin taxes, like prohibition, simply provide a market for "illegal" action to bypass the restrictions.

And us Americans are effed up? (1)

HexBand (1429047) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153493)

England, what the hell is wrong with you? I understand you guys got chavs and all, but between CTV and the nanny state stuff I actually feel like I'm in safer and more sane land in the US than the few times I've gone to the UK.

Re:And us Americans are effed up? (1, Troll)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153753)

England, what the hell is wrong with you?

I think, for the last 30 years or so, we've been trying to become more like America.

I don't know who to blame more - Raegan, Thatcher for their 'free market' policies and 'special relationship'; or Blair for the "I'm middle class, therefore I count for more than you scum, so shut up and let me do things my way because I'm the only one who can fix everything" attitude to policy, or Brown for the idiotic "no more boom and bust", "I will not let house prices get out of control and damage the economy" (LOL!) economic incompetence.

Its no wonder the youth are disaffected, though they've always been like that, but now they (rightly) really feel like they have no stake in society. Its not like the 60s when the hippie generation grew up and became accountants, or the 70s when the punk generation grew up and became businessmen, or the 80s when everyone was a self-interested tosser, or the 90s when all the ravers grew up and became property developers. Youth of today really have f*ck all to look forward to - even those not living in seriously overcrowded, ruined estates full of insignificantly-paid immigrants and criminals, ruled over by totally incompetent councillors and lazy, misguided and seriously overpaid public officials.

Kids from Clockwork Orange must've played Manhunt (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153497)

Perhaps giving your youth some say in their lives and something to do besides play video games and stick people with knives might get them more involved with positive influences. Teens are rebellious largely because they are ignored as children when they want to do something as an adult, but held to adult responsibilities when they try to act like children. Give them an outlet for their raging hormones and a way to actually use the skills you're drilling into their heads in school rather than those they pick up from video games.

problem is parents... still (1)

novex (515891) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153545)

better to fine anyone that calls a knife a "weapon".

its a potentialy dangerous tool if missused.

atm kids in the uk are raised being told knives are for crime / stabbing ppl so your not allowed to have one.

so of course when they get one what do they think its for?

most ppl raised with knifes being an every day tool treat them with respect as they have cut themselves in the past and have an understanding and respect of the harm they can do.

Is anyone surprised? (3, Insightful)

fprintf (82740) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153551)

Is anyone surprised that the chavs and yobs running around with knives are powerful, and the defenseless British public are scared and powerless? This is exactly what happens when the criminals lack fear because the British people have been completely disarmed. What is a person supposed to do now against someone who has a knife? Ask politely for them to stop?

While the timing of this article, and response, is very poor given the two horrendous gun crimes yesterday and today, perhaps it is time to revisit the anti-weapon stance that has gripped England since the Scottish school massacre. Take away the guns, then only criminals will have them. Outlaw knives, and only criminals have them. Outlaw video games next?

Re:Is anyone surprised? (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153821)

What is a person supposed to do now against someone who has a knife? Ask politely for them to stop?

Call the police. They should get there in 5 to 30 minutes, depending on where you live. What's the problem?

Excellent Idea (4, Funny)

Intron (870560) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153557)

There should also be a huge surcharge on Mario Kart applied to the uninsured motorists accident fund. While we're at it, America's Army could be taxed to fund the new push in Afghanistan, and the Bee Movie game could be taxed to find a cure for the honeybee diseases. Let's get creative. In this recession we need to find new ways of extracting money from people. Gamers obviously have too much.

video games (5, Funny)

BigHungryJoe (737554) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153571)

If you can't see the causal relationship between video games and stabbing hookers, then you've never played Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

Re:video games (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153933)

It seems the mods have never played Hello Kitty Island Adventure, either. Interesting?!

I doubt it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153587)

Hahahaha... to be fair I doubt this will happen it's just same insane idea from a thinktank being reported in the Torygraph.

Regardless, it would just increase video game piracy. The title is sensationalist btw, I very much doubt this will happen it's just some loony thinktank.

Misleading Summary (5, Insightful)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153611)

Far be it from me to suggest that people RTFA or question the correctness of a summary title, but the father of a murdered boy urging the Prime Minister to tax violent games is a pretty big fucking step from the "UK To Mull High Video Game Taxes - To Fight Knife Crime " in the summary title.

Just for clarity - the UK government aren't doing anything like what's being implied. One man, rightly or wrongly, is suggesting this.

Re:Misleading Summary (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154041)

This is true, but I have a horrible feeling that this guy was actually appointed as some sort of government advisor recently.

Stabbings? Since when? (1)

Cathoderoytube (1088737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153619)

Explain to me how making games more expensive will make people less likely to stab others? If anything it'll raise stabbing incidents because people will have to take up robbery to afford the video games. Then they'll just wind up in prison, and it's nothing but stabbing in there.

There's a better place to tax.... (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153641)

All the rich criminals who fire thousands of employees causing them to get desperate to the point of prostitution, robbery, suicide and more because their stock price went up a few bucks for that week and they cashed in millions.

Just a thought...

Please read the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153681)

The proposed idea is definitely ineffective, but the problem of knife-crime is real. I can see how this individual truly feels as if the government *must do something* owing to his loss. However, he needs to take a much closer look at the causes of crime perpetrated by youth.

Don't be fooled! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153947)

Well, it depends on what you consider to be "real". There have always been horrible stabbings, and there will always *be* horrible stabbings. The media have decided to get hysterical about this type of crime (which has been occurring for millenia), and have magnified each recent incident as if it's some kind of new mysterious killing technique that was invented in south london by black teenagers.

The good news for us gamers is that the government is unlikely to risk upsetting the UK game development gravy train, as at the moment it's one of the few industries that's actually doing ok considering the current climate.

An easy way to combat street crime would be to put more uniformed plods on the street, but such a plainly obvious solution is beyond this government (and doesn't supply a source of easily abused funds).

And the problem is... (2, Insightful)

TheLevelHeadedOne (700023) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153715)

...that some deranged turd will use WHATEVER weapon he can get his hands on to do WHATEVER he wants...
outlaw guns, use knives
outlaw/outtax knives, use baseball/cricket bats
outlaw bats, use rutabagas
You can never prevent crime, just certain tools used to accomplish it. Even if they have to resort to bare handed strangulation, that's what they'll do....

Nice one, you bloke! (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153721)

I see you're taking after America and it's horrible system of taxation, Britain, along with the justifications for doing so. Have you considered applying for colony status with us? We're still accepting new member states. Granted, our 401k and stock options are crap right now, and there's no health coverage, but you'll make it all back with smugness, and on your first day you get a large bat and combat boots as well as a welcome gift. /grinning, ducking, running

RECAPTCHA is a scam (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153725)

it is used to make users crack other site's captchas. Unless ofcourse the other site also uses RECAPTCHA.

It's about time... (2, Funny)

quickpick (1021471) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153759)

I heard Jack Thompson over at the pub commenting that the degradation of society has a strong corollary with the development of more violent games. Remember Pong? You could scarcely kill someone with a pong machine as it took the strength of 10 geeks to lift it. Now when cartridges came by there was a critical paradigm shift which resulted in a switch from 'death by console' to 'death by cartridge'. If we use the same measure it takes .005 geeks to lift and swing a cartridge with deadly force. Yet this was the equivalent of using an animal bone until the advent of optical media. Coupled with the introduction of bad asian ninja movies it took very little for young minds to substitute throwing star with cd. Now it seems perfectly reasonable to tax the hell out of games.

Not only is this dumb its backwards. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27153795)

The child abduction and violent crimes against kids are down.

Largely because of: a) more indoor playing from video games, b) increase in homework, c) increased amount of supervised time (school, extra-circular stuff, etc...).

Of those video games is a major factor. It is no-brainer to me that video games playing would reduce incidence of stabbing not increase it.

If that was really the goal, they should give kids a BBC xbox channel full of free quality games and issue rebate coupons to people to buy their kids consoles.

England prevails (3, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153811)

This is what happens to a country that takes people's guns away.

What? (0, Troll)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153923)

Someone whose child was murdered is understandably wound up about it and does not come to a rational solution. What has this got to do with guns? Are you telling me there are no parents in the US who have had their child murdered? If so, that's balls. And do some of them want to take extreme measures to reduce child murders? Unsurprising.

Does NRA membership cause low IQs, or is there merely a correlation?

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27154001)

Does NRA membership cause low IQs, or is there merely a correlation?

The answer to this is simply "yes".

Re:England prevails (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153949)

I can't tell whether this is sarcasm or genuine genuflection at the NRA's altar... but you do know that there are plenty of countries without guns where this issues aren't prevalent? Or that death by gun is exactly like death by knife? Right?

Alternatives. (4, Insightful)

senorpoco (1396603) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153831)

I propose a 278% tax on all history books. History has long been known to contain scenes of bloody violence, sexual deviance and disregard for authority. It is time that the government and parents started to take a stand against the corruptive influence of history.

Bullying was the cause of Damilola's death (5, Interesting)

bendytendril (1281160) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153837)

He was stabbed by a gang of 11 to 14-year-olds. The boy's mother had complained repeatedly to the principal about bullies, yet he did nothing.

Bullying is the real problem here which should be addressed.

The Real Issue (1)

Demonantis (1340557) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153849)

'feel that the law has no control over them. They just feel that they can go on the streets and do whatever they like.'

If that was true why do they resort to stabbing before trying some shoplifting. It sounds like the guy is abusing his position to push some legislature through. He should step back and ask what is better for the general public. Heavy taxation on an industry or social programs, like sports, clubs, technology competitions, that would get those kids off the street and being more active members of society.

Great idea if they used the tax money well. (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153955)

OK, so nobody is seriously going to believe that taxing video games is going to stop knife crime.
But if they used the tax money to pay for better education and ameneties for kids, then why not?

Of course, that will never happen...

Revenue Streams? (3, Interesting)

tripdizzle (1386273) | more than 5 years ago | (#27153963)

Sooo, they put a tax on video games and how does that cut down (no pun intended) on knife crime?? Do they use that money to hire more cops to patrol, or do studies on the relationship between gaming and knife crime?? Seems to me like they are just looking for another revenue stream, and vilifying video games usually seems to be an easy target, especially when its being done for the greatest of all causes, for the children.
My head just exploded.

FPK fever (1)

randomaxe (673239) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154061)

He has a point. After a few rounds of capture the flag in my favorite First-Person Knifer, I sometimes just want to go outside and stab some hobos.

You can't fix stupid (1)

taustin (171655) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154111)

Taylor's son, Damilola Taylor, was killed in November 2000 at the age of 10 by knife stabbing."

So this guy's channeling Pat Pulling [wikipedia.org]?

Jesus what are they thinking (1)

JumpDrive (1437895) | more than 5 years ago | (#27154113)

I believe that it is a self rectifying problem.
Two guys have a knife fight, one brings a game.

I just don't see the need to worry about it, eventually the gamers will get smart or diminish via attrition.
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