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FBI Searches New Fed CIO Kundra's Former Offices

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the rent-seeking-behavior dept.

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CWmike writes "While new federal CIO Vivek Kundra gave a speech here this morning on his vision for the US government's use of technology, the FBI conducted a search of the District of Columbia's IT offices — where Kundra worked until last week — and arrested an employee and another person who works for an outsourcing vendor, say reports. There was no indication that Kundra was connected in any way to the FBI's raid, which was part of a bribery sting operation. And if Kundra was aware of what was going on at his former offices or concerned about the raid, it wasn't evident during his speech at FOSE 2009, a trade show focused on government IT. The FBI would not comment on the reports. President Barack Obama last week appointed Kundra to be the federal government's first official CIO."

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173 comments

Boring (-1, Offtopic)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172237)

Seriously, this place is starting to get as bad as a cable news channel.

Re:Boring (0, Offtopic)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172289)

Excellent troll mod.

Here's another one for you. I suggest Offtopic this time.

Re:Boring (-1, Offtopic)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172373)

Awesome! And very responsive. Now, we might as well complete the trifecta and call this one overrated. Thanks in advance!

Re:Boring (1)

csartanis (863147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172615)

I hear you, this stuff is scrolling across the bottom of 5 channels all day long and we have to see it here too. :(

Re:Boring (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173021)

How long before "news for nerds" includes fashion and beauty stories?

Re:Boring (2, Funny)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173223)

What do you mean? Fashion and beauty would be HUGE news for nerds. I don't think most of them know anything about either one. ;)

More (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172267)

change we can believe in?

Come on, I'm a non-Obama fan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172271)

And I find this incredibly biased and designed to make him look bad. It had nothing to do with this new guy.

Sigh... (1)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172295)

Another government agent is getting arrested...Pirate Bay is in trial...and on top of that Slashdot now has ads from Fox Business. Please shoot me.

Re:Sigh... (2, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172547)

This could be unrelated. He hasn't been arrested yet. However, there does seem to be an early stigma on Obama's appointees and corruption. Obama better hope this guy is clean.

Re:Sigh... (1)

nicolas.kassis (875270) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172867)

Hum other than Geithner who are you referring too?

Re:Sigh... (3, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173127)

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/03/washington/AP-Obama-Killefer.html [nytimes.com]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/opinion/03tue1.html [nytimes.com]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/us/politics/05richardson.html [nytimes.com]

That is four appointees tied to corruption issues, so the CIO would be the fifth if that were the case.

Then, there is the Blagojevich scandal, which the media was adamant from day 1 that Obama had no knowledge about, and zero possible connection. The media can't know that for certain. Obama may very well be innocent there, but there is a perception of stigma regardless.

Now Obama's replacement, Burris may be charged with perjury and there are calls for him to resign.

Again, Obama probably doesn't know Burris very well, and had no control over whether or not Burris perjured himself, but none of this is good PR.

Re:Sigh... (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173379)

Now Obama's replacement, Burris may be charged with perjury and there are calls for him to resign.

Last I knew, Obama wasn't a support of Burris and wanted him to resign.

Re:Sigh... (2, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173495)

Please read the full post where I said Obama probably doesn't know the guy very well, and probably has no connection to his perjury.

The point is however, that so long as the issue continues to blow up, it will continue to create bad PR.

After all, there is a slight chance that Obama did have some knowledge that Blagojevich and his wife were both on the take. Burris apparently lied about not knowing. Obama was cleared of wrongdoing before any investigation was done, or any facts came out. Literally, the day it came out that charges were being pressed against Blagojevich, prosecutors said they wouldn't look into Obama.

However, because the two did work together, there are those that will make accusations. Obama had very slight connections to Ayers, but it was enough for people to use it against him.

His appointees, like the CIO, are more direct connections. Obama is responsible to appoint the right people. My initial post didn't suggest innocence or guilt. I merely wanted to point out, that Obama better hope his CIO is clean otherwise it will look bad for him.

List of Obama appointees who've had to withdraw (5, Interesting)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173331)

For future reference, the list so far:

  • Bill Richardson: grand jury investigation for influence peddling
  • Tom Daschle: tax evasion
  • Nancy Killefer: tax lien on home for failing to pay unemployment tax for household workers
  • Judd Gregg: political differences over stimulus plan
  • Annette Nazareth: reason unspecified
  • Caroline Atkinson: reason for withdrawal not specified
  • Sanjay Gupta: reason unspecified

People who haven't withdrawn, but have had major issues:

  • Hilda Solis: husband has 16 years of tax liens against his business
  • Tim Geithner: tax problems
  • Gary Locke: potentially-suspicious fund-raising history [michellemalkin.com]
  • Ron Kirk: failed to pay $10,000 in back taxes

Will Vivek Kundra be next on the list?

Re:List of Obama appointees who've had to withdraw (3, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173567)

It should also be noted that Daschle said initially he wouldn't resign over the tax charges, and that Obama said he still stood behind him despite the tax charges. There was some speculation that he changed his mind later because there was more dirt that might come out. Who knows.

My big question with Daschle is that he isn't a laywer, and he claims that he isn't a lobbyist, and Obama promised not to appoint lobbyists, but the tax scandal was part of 2 million dollars in salary (plus perks) given to him by a law firm that specializes in lobbying.

What exactly was Daschle doing for the firm as a non-lawyer and non-lobbyist that he was paid 2 million plus perks?

Re:List of Obama appointees who've had to withdraw (2, Interesting)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173999)

Daschle is a lobbyist.

That bill Obama just signed in hiding did have 8,500 earmarks and was his job.

I really hope that soon he starts doing the things he said he would do and get moving on the major spending problem this country has had with Clinton and Bush.

Re:List of Obama appointees who've had to withdraw (1)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174283)

What exactly was Daschle doing for the firm as a non-lawyer and non-lobbyist that he was paid 2 million plus perks?

Exactly. He was most likely lobbying on behalf of the law firm. The reason they want to keep it somewhat under wraps is because it's perfectly legal. Who do you think comes up with bills nowadays? Client goes to law firm and says they want a bill that will help them. Law firm draws it up then calls Daschle to figure out who they can get to present it. Then he trades favors for support of said bill (or provision tied to another bill etc...). What a great system we have.

Re:List of Obama appointees who've had to withdraw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27174091)

If you want to be taken seriously, you should not link to michellemalkin.com. She will quote random people off the street and use that as "expert" testimony. If a random blogger says a Democrat might be a criminal, she will claim that authorities are "investigating"...

In short, she has no credibility. You might as well quote Rush Limbaugh...

Of those listed, vetting should have prevented Bill Richardson, Nancy Killefer, and Hilda Solis from being nominated... so 3 total. The rest either withdrew for their own reasons (4), had tax problems (3), or are alleged to have done wrong by michellemalkin (1).

Considering the President appoints THOUSANDS of people, 6 (3 errors, 3 taxes) out of thousands is a pretty good record.

Re:List of Obama appointees who've had to withdraw (4, Funny)

jcnnghm (538570) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174359)

No wonder the Democrats always want to raise taxes. They don't pay anyway!

Re:Sigh... (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173347)

After the FIRST guy getting outed on tax irregularities you would think they would be a LOT more careful. But no... another...

I would love to see the Obama administration succeed in many ways for many reasons, but mostly because his success might also lead to the nation's success. But with all this crap coming down, you would think that Obama would have a team of investigators to vet these appointees with a fine-tooth-comb. Can Obama really be that dumb?

My Take (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173645)

The party rallied around him pretty quickly even though he is young and arguably inexperienced. Most of his opponents within the party went from criticizing him in the primaries, to standing behind him later. I don't know if he made promises to them, or he was just wants to take care of them for taking care of him.

Either way, he has been taking major players in Washington, and giving them jobs. He promises the cabinet would be new faces, and not typical Washington politicians, but that is exactly what he is doing. And maybe he has to make friends early.

It only makes me wonder, when you spend literally years campaigning, that perhaps you should plan out your cabinet early on, and have time to research these guys. Once in office, you want to assemble a cabinet early and get to work. How much time do you have for lengthy background checks?

Re:Sigh... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173415)

I love that I get modded troll for DEFENDING the guy and saying he hasn't been arrested yet.

It is just common sense that if Obama's appointees are charged with corruption, that isn't good PR for him. How is that trolling to say Obama better hope he is clean?

Re:Sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27173555)

Dude Obama is from Illinois, the politicians from there attracts corruption like a magnet; at least Biden isn't from Louisiana!

Re:Sigh... (3, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173997)

"Dude Obama is from Illinois, the politicians from there attracts corruption like a magnet; at least Biden isn't from Louisiana!"

Hey, from what I've been seeing and reading, IL politics make LA's look VERY clean and innocent!!

:)

And say what you will about Jindal's TV thing the other night, but so far, he has done a great job down here...a lot of corruption has been ferreted out down here, many people on state and local levels going to jail. It doesn't feel quite like the 'banana republic' it used to be Pre-K.

Re:Sigh... (1)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173837)

> there does seem to be an early stigma on Obama's appointees and corruption

Whoa there buddy! Haven't you heard? Dissent is no longer the highest form of patriotism. Also, everyone remove your "if you're not outraged you're not paying attention" bumper stickers. All is well.

Par for the course? (4, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172303)

Okay, so a bunch of his underlings got arrested for a spot of corruption while he was either (a) ignorant or (b) had plausible deniability. I like this guy already. I think he's got a very good handle on what it takes to be a good IT manager. My only other question: Was the soda machine out of Mountain Dew? If so, we have a winner.

Re:Par for the course? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172341)

Okay, so a bunch of his underlings got arrested for a spot of corruption while he was either (a) ignorant or (b) had plausible deniability. I like this guy already. I think he's got a very good handle on what it takes to be a good IT manager. My only other question: Was the soda machine out of Mountain Dew? If so, we have a winner.

Do you think it's really true that the Yellow 5 in Mountain Dew can shrink your penis? If that is true, perhaps you have a weiner and not a winner.

Re:Par for the course? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172967)

Was the soda machine out of Mountain Dew?

Jeeze! You really are a cop.

Choices... (5, Insightful)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172305)

Is Obama just making really bad choices, or is everyone at that high a level in .gov just corrupt?

Re:Choices... (-1, Flamebait)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172333)

TFS comprehension fail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Enjoy the country your stupidity has gotten you.

Re:Choices... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172587)

TFS comprehension fail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Enjoy the country your stupidity has gotten you.

How the hell is this interesting? How did the parent poster fail to comprehend the story?

Since you didn't bother quoting it, and for those too lazy to hit "parent" twice, the original was:

Is Obama just making really bad choices, or is everyone at that high a level in .gov just corrupt?

So, after appointing the guy who underpaid his taxes and blamed it on TurboTax to head the IRS, we have the guy who worked in an office which has been hit by a federal investigation into bribery working as CIO.

Considering that a CIO has purchasing power, it seems to me to be quite a coincidence that our new US CIO's former co-workers were found to have taken bribes.

To add insult to injury, if you read the article (I know, I know), you'll discover that not only were they taking bribes, they were taking bribes to outsource government work to non-citizens. Think about that for a moment. They're taking our tax money, and then sending it overseas. WTF!

And this person from that office gets nominated to be CIO by Obama.

Obama's barely been in office a month, and he's already had countless examples of simply bad management skills. It's almost as if we elected someone with no executive experience...

How did that go again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172645)

Something like..."Fish rots from the head down"?

Don't expect outrage from the left, it's their corruption now and their poop doesn't smell.

Re:Choices... (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172735)

How the hell is this interesting?

No shit. I am busting my everliving ass to get as many negative mods in this thread as I can, and some jackass comes along and mods me intersting. Trust me, you're nowhere near as unhappy as I am right now.

To answer your other questions, read my other posts around here.

Re:Choices... (1)

causality (777677) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173349)

No shit. I am busting my everliving ass to get as many negative mods in this thread as I can, and some jackass comes along and mods me intersting. Trust me, you're nowhere near as unhappy as I am right now.

Just curious: if you really meant that and were not just being facetious, then what is the purpose? That's not intended as sarcasm or a put-down or anything like that; I really want to know.

Re:Choices... (5, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172555)

Is Obama just making really bad choices, or is everyone at that high a level in .gov just corrupt?

They're puppets who may or may not falsely believe that they have anything like a will of their own or ideas of their own. The real political power is not the President but the corporations and old-money families who put him into office. They don't put a President into office unless he has views that they find to be either favorable or convenient. That's not a conspiracy theory so much as a proposition that entrenched power tends to act in its own interests, and as such, it should be self-evident.

I cannot prove this but I will offer some speculation: the more I have heard of his speeches and his intentions and his beliefs, the more I think that John F. Kennedy was a fluke. He was a fluke because he really did want to represent the people and not the interests that got him into office. I believe that is why he was assassinated -- to those interests, this represented a betrayal or a "double-crossing" and they made an example. Certainly the Mafia could arrange such an event, and I will say that I believe that the monied interests who truly run this country make the Mafia look like a bunch of amateurs, though they prefer to buy people off rather than use brute force. Most people's princples are indeed for sale if the price is high enough, and they know this because they know what corruption is. It's just that occasionally there comes someone who cannot be bought and against whom they don't have some other form of leverage.

I apologize that I do not know the time or place, but this is a quote from a speech delivered by JFK:

The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society. And we are, as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweigh the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit, to the extent that it's in my control. And no official of my administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes, or to withhold from the press or public the facts they deserve to know.

An open government of the sort he advocated is quite terrifying to the powers behind the throne. So, I think Obama or any other President probably cannot help but to make bad choices or to have corruption. Even if he himself is a sincere man, he is working within a system that is not designed for sincerity.

Re:Choices... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27173387)

Another idiot with the Kennedy conspiracy theory.

Here's what happened: the far left, exemplified by Lee Harvey Oswald, executed a decapitation strike on the moderate left.

And it worked! Ever since, the Democrat Party has become increasingly socialist.

Oswald wasn't "under orders," but he was a Communist, and shooting someone who lowers taxes is furthering the socialist cause.

Another example: a Palestinian shoots Robert Kennedy, and now the Democrat Party sucks Palestinian dick.

I wonder, with Ted Kennedy dying of cancer, when he finally goes, will the Democrat Party become pro-cancer?

Because the Democrat Party is made of pussy-whipped males and battered females, or at least act like it.

Kill a Kennedy, and the Democrats will do whatever you want.

I guess we are lucky that cancer has no political agenda. Yet.

Amusing (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173831)

I would like to subscribe to you newsletter.

Re:Choices... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27173985)

Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association on April 27th 1961 (the JFK quote)

"Most people's princples are indeed for sale if the price is high enough" -- what a sad reality to have to live in - esp. when it doesn't have to be that way. What happen to the integrity of the history or was that too just a mask?

"occasionally there comes someone who cannot be bought and against whom they don't have some other form of leverage" - that, my friend, is what we hold out for and pray for...in ourselves when our number is called and in others when the doors are closed and they are left with only their conscience.

"...(he)cannot help but to make bad choices or to have corruption. Even if he himself is a sincere man, he is working within a system that is not designed for sincerity" -- How true and how beautifully put!

Blair

Re:Choices... (5, Insightful)

mi (197448) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174469)

I cannot prove this but I will offer some speculation: the more I have heard of his speeches and his intentions and his beliefs, the more I think that John F. Kennedy was a fluke.

Just like JFK, Barack Obama is a product of Chicago Political Machine(TM) — easily the most corrupt [heritage.org] local political system in the nation (think Blagojevich [thepeoplescube.com] )... I'd rather JFK and Obama were both flukes — having the nation's President come from such gutters as a rule is rather disgraceful...

So, I think Obama or any other President probably cannot help but to make bad choices or to have corruption. Even if he himself is a sincere man, he is working within a system that is not designed for sincerity.

Were you as forgiving towards the previous President? More importantly, were the moderators?

Re:Choices... (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | more than 5 years ago | (#27175045)

MOD PARENT UP!! Thanks for having the courage to talk about this. It's easy to dismiss as "conspiracy theory" or nutty, but it doesn't really require a conspiracy, just an understanding that certain people (and families) have common interests.

Wake up, people!

Re:Choices... (2, Interesting)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172585)

Why the hell is this marked troll?

It's a valid question.

How many of Obama's choices have had either tax problems or scandals?

Seriously, troll is 100% wrong moderation.

Re:Choices... (0, Troll)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172805)

It's a valid question.

No, it's not. AS TFS says itself, there's not one bit of dirt on the actual appointee, just two ex-subordinates.

Other Obama appointments might be big bags of fail, but so far, this one isn't. When he is, then GP can make his point. Otherwise, he's just a lazy and biased cunt like you are.

Re:Choices... (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172833)

LOL. You kiss your mother with that mouth? (assuming you know who she is)

Re:Choices... (-1, Troll)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173037)

LOL, best you can do? Come back when you've got some mod points, shiteyes.

Re:Choices... (0, Troll)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173105)

Aw man, you got me. I concede. You're the master.

All bow before Captain Splendid, Slashdot hero.

Re:Choices... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27174497)

You two are so cool. How old do I have to be before I can start insulting people on the internet with the same material I used in middle school?
I can't wait.

Re:Choices... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27173239)

Other Obama appointments might be big bags of fail, but so far, this one isn't. When he is, then GP can make his point. Otherwise, he's just a lazy and biased cunt like you are.

Or, he could be a lazy and biased dickhead instead. What's that? You wanna know the difference between a dick and a cunt?

Re:Choices... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27173595)

Our affirmative action HNIC from Crook County is nothing but corruption.

Maybe there will be one person, like Sasha or Malia, who isn't yet corrupted.

But they will be, by folks like Barney Fag.

Re:Choices... (0, Troll)

alexj33 (968322) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172853)

You must be new here...

A moderation of "Troll" on /. often (but not always) means: "inconvenient fact."

Re:Choices... (4, Interesting)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172989)

I don't know what's going on with moderation here, but I'll throw my hat in the ring.
Why is this modded Troll?
Why are som of the other posts moderated down?
The politicizing that seems to be going on here is worrisome.

Re:Choices... (4, Funny)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173763)

The politicizing that seems to be going on here is worrisome.

You must be new here.

No, it's just everyone who is ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27173111)

...connected with Obama and the Dems that are the most corruptest and incompetent politicians in government. The Repubs are 2nd place in the corruption, and not too far behind, but they have much greater skill at keeping their corruption under wraps.

Re:Choices... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27174145)

I'm posting AC because I want to remain neutral and not come across as being a conspiracy theorist or promoting these people's views. However, your post makes this very appropriate and I don't think anyone should ever be afraid of information.

The Obama Deception [obamadeception.net] is a new documentary that is being officially released on March 15 '09, but it's up on the torrent sites so you can download it right away. I'm sure the creators won't mind people downloading it, either, since it's very political and they're trying to spread their message.

I watched it today, and it is very conspiracy-theorish, however, they do bring up some excellent points. Mainly that Obama has broken most of his campaign promises (FISA, getting out of Iraq, promoting peace, government accountability etc.) and that the majority of his cabinet appointees are Wall-Street cronies. While they are conspiracy theorists, every point that they make about Obama's policies, cabinet appointees and voting records can be verified. Even if you come out not believing or agreeing with them, I still recommend that you watch it.

It should also be pointed out that the documentary is non-partisan. The same people also made several documentaries attacking G.W Bush.

Offtopic topic? (4, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172379)

arrested an employee and another person who works for an outsourcing vendor, say reports. There was no indication that Kundra was connected in any way to the FBI's raid

So... what's the big deal?

Re:Offtopic topic? (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172415)

Obviously, Timmeh's not a big fan of Obama. If kdawson is a left-wing tool, only fair we have a right-wing tool to balance things out.

Re:Offtopic topic? (1)

DrLang21 (900992) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173521)

Is this a sign that /. is becoming "fair and balanced"?

Re:Offtopic topic? (4, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172531)

Hmmm. Let's rewrite it slightly.

While new republican CIO John Doe gave a speech here this morning on his vision for the US government's use of technology, the FBI conducted a search of the Texas's IT offices â" where Doe worked until last week â" and arrested an employee and another person who works for an outsourcing vendor, say reports. There was no indication that Doe was connected in any way to the FBI's raid, which was part of a bribery sting operation. And if Doe was aware of what was going on at his former offices or concerned about the raid, it wasn't evident during his speech at FOSE 2009, a trade show focused on government IT. The FBI would not comment on the reports. President George Bush last week appointed Doe to be the federal government's first official CIO.

Change anything? IMO, it would have. "Look at the corruption, George Bush is now appointing a CIO of the entire USA from a corrupt Texas IT department that is involved in bribery and sting operations!"

Oh. But this is Obama's administration. Who cares if several appointments of his weren't honest about their taxes (oh, sorry, "forgot" about certain items. Admittedly, in some cases, it did look innocent; but sometimes, not so much, especially for someone that you'd think would know these sorts of things...), that his CIO worked in an IT department that had bribery sting deals going on, or whatever...

Eh. I know Bush administration wasn't good and that most all government is corrupt, blah blah. But that doesn't mean I should just ignore this because it happens to everyone or whatever. If the place he worked has people getting busted for bribery or whatever, then investigation should continue; no, not because she is guilty until proven innocent, but because I think government officials should be held to a pretty high standard. Especially since, in the last 100 years, they've tended to be dishonest.

Re:Offtopic topic? (3, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172665)

Not, it's got nothing to do with Dems or Repubs. It's all in this sentence in TFS:

There was no indication that Doe was connected in any way to the FBI's raid, which was part of a bribery sting operation.

Which reduces this to a story about a couple of low-level employees getting arrested over nothing. Which is about as far from FP Slashdot fare as you can get.

Boring.

And then Timmeh slaps in a quick reference to Obama for the Hell of it.

Lame.

I'm not one to bash Slashdot and its "declining standards", but this was just stupid and pointless.

Re:Offtopic topic? (3, Interesting)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172785)

And that's supposed to make us feel good?

The guy was/is the head of that office. He either didn't know about the corruption (as the frigging FEDERAL CIO for the country, that might be a think he'd be expected to know about corruption in his own office) or he was in on it.

Either way, for me, this is 100% a bad sign and should raise a huge red flag.

Re:Offtopic topic? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172925)

Exactly. If he was just another low-level person in the office and didn't know about it, ok. And I can understand having employees and upper management isn't really responsible, especially dependent on the size of the office... but it should at least be thoroughly investigated, and should raise flags. Not "Oh my goodness, he is a sting operation person!" but at least a "We should check and make sure he's innocent before proceeding." Wanting to prove innocence != assuming guilty; it's assuming innocence but not ignorantly.

Re:Offtopic topic? (0, Flamebait)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172973)

And that's supposed to make us feel good?

What's all this feel crap? I thought conservatives thought with their heads and only wimpy liberals talked about their feelings? Not to mention it's a complete non-sequitur...

The guy was/is the head of that office. He either didn't know about the corruption (as the frigging FEDERAL CIO for the country, that might be a think he'd be expected to know about corruption in his own office) or he was in on it.

So, you want omniscience from your department heads? Nice in theory, but the real world don't work that way.

Either way, for me, this is 100% a bad sign and should raise a huge red flag.

No surprises there. But my point is that this barely qualifies as news, let alone front page Slashdot material. Boring. lame. Just because it gets your juices flowing, don't expect me to get my panties all in a bunch as well, you weird deviant.

Re:Offtopic topic? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173173)

Well, it sure sounds like you got upset, whether or not we expected you to. ;)

Meh, not sure what the stereotype mention is doing for the argument.

Omniscience from department heads, no. But whether or not he really knew about it is a rather important question at this point, is it not? No, he's not guilty now, and probably won't be, but we should probably make sure. Which it looks like the FBI is doing. And until they conclusively say something about it, I'm not going to defend him and say he's innocent and didn't know about it. Who knows?

Besides, if you want to pick on the "feeling" thing, what is this doing in the article itself (and the summary):

And if Kundra was aware of what was going on at his former offices or concerned about the raid, it wasn't evident during his speech at FOSE 2009, a trade show focused on government IT.

First, he's not even concerned about the raid of his former office? Seems he could at least be concerned about it and say he didn't know about it. Second, how is his speech an indicator of his innocence or guiltiness? Yay, he gave a morale-boosting rally speech that didn't mention his former office being raided. Must be innocent! ... ?

Again, he probably is and I don't know if he is or not, but the article sure is defending him at this point... to a somewhat silly extent, even saying his speech and his apparent non-concern about the FBI raid ... I mean, if I ran a company of thousands of workers and the FBI raided it and found corruption, I'd at LEAST be upset, especially if I was innocent. I don't understand the article's point, I guess.

Re:Offtopic topic? (2, Interesting)

mysticgoat (582871) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173411)

He either didn't know about the corruption... or he was in on it.

Above post has serious blinders on. Other possibilities:

  • he cooperated with the FBI investigation
  • he was informed of the FBI investigation before the arrests
  • he initiated the FBI investigation

Any of these is quite likely, and the last is, exactly the kind of action I would want to see a CEO take if in the course of his work he became aware that something suspicious was happening in his business. What would be the alternative? "I'm firing you two because I'm pretty sure that you're guilty of crimes in my company's cubicles?" That would be tacky. That would be SO last year.

What say we wait and see what the story is before taking such Olympian long jumps to conclusions that might not actually be a landing place.

Re:Offtopic topic? (5, Insightful)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173733)

Not, it's got nothing to do with Dems or Repubs.

No, it doesn't. But, the GP's point is correct: if this had been a member of Bush's administration, this article would already have 500 comments of wailing about how it was Bush's fault, Cheney's fault, and the fault of neo-cons, the Illuminati, FBI, CIA, RIAA, MPAA, etc....

Can you say "partisan"? I knew you could.

Re:Offtopic topic? (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172807)

Change anything?

No. Answer is the same: *yawn* Let me know when he's implicated in any way, then I'll care.

If Scooter Libby hadn't actually done the Perp Walk, I wouldn't care about him either.

Re:Offtopic topic? (1)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174113)

Who cares if several appointments of his weren't honest about their taxes (oh, sorry, "forgot" about certain items. Admittedly, in some cases, it did look innocent; but sometimes, not so much, especially for someone that you'd think would know these sorts of things...), that his CIO worked in an IT department that had bribery sting deals going on, or whatever...

I took all those tax snafus to mean our tax code is so titanic and so flipping confusing that even people that should know better can't make heads or tails of it.

Subject (1)

z-j-y (1056250) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172441)

obviously, FBI is lacist.

Re:Subject (1)

csartanis (863147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172693)

You misspelled racist.

Re:Subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27173677)

He's from Japan! You insensitive clod!

Re:Subject (1)

csartanis (863147) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174015)

But Kundra isn't!

First order of business: (2, Interesting)

GreenEggsAndSpam (658869) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172449)

Take a pay cut, show the world that you're not in it for the money, you're in it for the future of technology in the USA.

Then call the BSA, report software piracy in a government office, collect the rest of your salary as the "reporting bonus".

Or, in another thought: It really had nothing to do with him. Just because you work with someone who does something stupid/illegal doesn't immediately make you guilty of also being involved in the stupidity/illegalities. Doesn't mean it doesn't, just means it doesn't have to be that he does. Or not.

Band of thieves (3, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172533)

Is there even one person in Obama's administration that isn't a crook, in the same field they are appointed to oversee?

Re:Band of thieves (0, Flamebait)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172817)

So far he has not declared any wars and has been keeping most of his promises. I'll take it. (especially so after bush)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ [politifact.com]

Re:Band of thieves (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173385)

Hypocrite.

( just like those who moderated that post as a troll. )

Re:Band of thieves (3, Insightful)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174223)

That sight you list is partisan and very pro-Obama. How can they mark 'no earmarks' as a compromise?

No. 512: Go "line by line" over earmarks to make sure money being spent wisely
"And, absolutely, we need earmark reform. And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.

I thought it was going to be a good sight to follow until I started seeing things like the above.

Re:Band of thieves (1)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174623)

It is being measured and anything being measured improves. If you don't agree, write them an email and voice your opinion. Maybe they will change it is it is reasonable.

Oh Gee, lots of bibliography. (2, Informative)

FrameRotBlues (1082971) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172607)

Yeah, so the first link goes to ComputerWorld, which draws it's information from...
...gad zooks!: A ComputerWorld Blog; the writer of whom gets his information from...
...gad zooks!: A political blog; the writer of whom gets his information from...
...his ass.

Nice trail.

Re:Oh Gee, lots of bibliography. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172907)

...gad zooks!: A political blog; the writer of whom gets his information from...
...the Washington Post [washingtonpost.com] .

FTFY.

You might not like the Washington Post, but it hardly qualifies as "his ass."

There's also the AP [google.com] and, well, plenty of other hits on Google [google.com] .

Mod up (1)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173683)

You actually looked to see where people are getting their information? GTFO.

Re:Oh Gee, lots of bibliography. (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174125)

Yeah, on the computerworld one (which is really an editorial, it's obvious what they think, heh). There are lots of other sources though. [google.com]

I for one welcome... (-1, Redundant)

shoppa (464619) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172643)

I for one welcome our new Chief Information Overlord.

Terrorism? Bribery? What's next? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172675)

Forgetting for just a moment that one of President Obama's best friends is a well known terrorist (not going to list all of the sources on this, but if you deny it you are clearly trolling or obviously ignorant); isn't this the second bribery allegation surrounding him? Just how fucking dumb have we Americans become to not only tolerate this bullshit, but to actually vote it into office?

When the USA (read: your life, liberty, and your pursuit of happiness) has been pulled out from under your feet and sold off to the Communists by these Socialist/Nationalist "leaders," what will we be left with?

Is that more or less appealing then overthrowing our current government and forcing consequences on the people who attempted to sell us out?

Re:Terrorism? Bribery? What's next? (1, Troll)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172865)

is a well known terrorist

Yes he is.

but if you deny it you are clearly trolling or obviously ignorant)

Speaking of disingenuous, you might also want to mention, in the interests of not trolling, of course, that the man was not convicted of any crime whatsoever and that thye word "Terrorist", thanks to the valiant efforts of team Bush, no longer has the same cachet it had 8 years ago.

Re:Terrorism? Bribery? What's next? (3, Interesting)

praksys (246544) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173913)

Speaking of disingenuous, you might also want to mention, in the interests of not trolling, of course, that the man was not convicted of any crime whatsoever and that thye word "Terrorist", thanks to the valiant efforts of team Bush, no longer has the same cachet it had 8 years ago.

Why would we want to mention those things? Ayers admits everything he was accused of. Why would the important consideration be that he was never convicted, rather than the fact that he was guilty and admits it? And why would it matter that the term terrorist gets bandied around a lot and applied to some less-than-terrifying activities when Ayers himself was the genuine article - the kind of terrorist who wanted to randomly murder innocent people?

Re:Terrorism? Bribery? What's next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27174927)

"Terrorist", thanks to the valiant efforts of team Bush, no longer has the same cachet it had 8 years ago.

You should mean,

thanks to the efforts of the Democrat Party in belittling the word,

but probably don't because your head us so far up Nigger Obama's asshole.

Re:Terrorism? Bribery? What's next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172903)

Ah. Now this is the kind of quality troll that's been missing from /. for a long time.

The emperor's tailor couldn't have said it better (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172993)

"Forgetting for just a moment that one of President Obama's best friends is a well known terrorist (not going to list all of the sources on this, but if you deny it you are clearly trolling or obviously ignorant);"

Actually, you're wrong on both counts. Bill Ayers isn't one of Obama's best friends and prior to the last presidential campaign, hardly anyone under the age of 55 had ever heard his name.

Re:The emperor's tailor couldn't have said it bett (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173771)

"Forgetting for just a moment that one of President Obama's acquaintances was a little-known terrorist"

Does that work?

Re:The emperor's tailor couldn't have said it bett (1)

Boronx (228853) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174533)

The wife of one of Bush's close friends helped to fund the 9/11 terrorist attacks, [cnn.com] and Bush has had dealings with Osama bin Laden's brother, Salim bin Laden. What does that tell you about Bush and terrorism, about Bush's involvement in 9/11?

You're correct, it tells you nothing.

Re:The emperor's tailor couldn't have said it bett (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#27175029)

I could care less about Ayers, I was just seeing if fixing the flaws the GP poster pointed out would result in an acceptable statement. It sounds like it won't.

Regardless, your parallel with Bush is not relevant, because it (for one thing) is much more indirect, and was only investigated as a possibility. Read the article you linked to: "An investigation by her office has found the princess sent money to a woman on her charity recipient list and that woman then sent the money to the students."

Re:Terrorism? Bribery? What's next? (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174093)

I don't mind Anonymous trolls. Mainly because you can't stop crazy. But the fact that others apparently feel inclined to mod this informative points to crazy being more mainstream than I'm comfortable wtih.

The best part of the rant: collaboration between Nazis and Communists. The only thing missing in that attack on the Red White and Blue is gays and Mexicans. That's some delusion at work there.

A BIG no-no!! (0)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172881)

One of the dumbest things that you can do as a government employee is to try to run a business on the side that has dealings with your agency or other agencies affiliated with yours. Some people at TSA got in trouble [codemonkeyramblings.com] for trying to double dip.

Obama IT administration (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172895)

It seems like the Obama administration has a love affair with Microsoft anyway. Kundra really doesn't seem to be a guy with any great new ideas. Hopefully he's at least competent. I'd be more concerned about the pro-drug-war and pro-overreaching IP attorney general, Mr. Eric Holder.

Re:Obama IT administration (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 5 years ago | (#27173727)

I'd be more concerned about the pro-drug-war and pro-overreaching IP attorney general, Mr. Eric Holder.

You forgot race-baiting and gun-grabbing in your list of adjectives. Looks like there's something for everyone to dislike!

Subject (1)

z-j-y (1056250) | more than 5 years ago | (#27172955)

Why is it interesting?

If it is not, why are you here and commenting?

It is very interesting that you think you should make others know that an story is not interesting to them.

He's on his way to being fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27172963)

The FBI has determined that he is current on his taxes, and is therefore unqualified to be in the cabinet.

I don't like this guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27173875)

I don't like this Indian guy already... In his effort to cut technology costs, he's probably going to outsource all our jobs to Bombay!

More info from AP. (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#27174097)

Acar worked under Kundra, Obama's pick to coordinate federal computer systems. Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would not say whether the White House knew the investigation was under way when it named Kundra last week, but called the case "a serious matter."

Acar, a 40-year-old native of Turkey, had a $127,468-a-year position purchasing the city's computer equipment and lining up contract workers for numerous city agencies.

Source: AP [google.com]

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