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Utah Senate, House Pass Jack Thompson's Game Sales Bill

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the keeps-going-and-going-and-going dept.

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Ars Technica reports that the Utah State Senate and House have both passed Jack Thompson's proposed legislation that would stiffen penalties for the sale of M-rated games to minors. Oddly, on its trip through the state legislature, amendments rendered it largely ineffective; retailers are in the clear if the employee who sold the game goes through a training program, or if the minor misrepresents his age. It's also possible that the bill could cause some retailers to simply take down their ESRB-related advertising. Thompson's statements about the bill put the focus on advertising, but discussion on the Utah Senate floor had a familiar ring, touching on the story of a Grand Theft Auto player who killed two policemen in 2003. The ESRB wrote an open letter in opposition of the bill, saying it could undo the efforts they've made to popularize their rating system. The bill's sponsors fired back, questioning the industry's overall commitment to ratings, and now it awaits only the governor's signature before becoming law.

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why are people... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27203445)

STILL listening to Jack Thompson? He's already been certified crazy, disbarred with extreme prejudice (out of a cannon, into the sun) and will probably never practice law ever again.

Besides, we all know Jack Thompson died when Penny Arcade was honored by Washington.

Re:why are people... (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203733)

Um, this is Utah.

Re:why are people... (4, Funny)

besalope (1186101) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204785)

Um, this is Utah.

Yeah, silly AC thought the constituents of Utah were people.

Re:why are people... (2, Interesting)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205155)

Just keep in mind that crap sometimes spreads.. There was a time when you could smoke on the Greyhound bus.. that is until you entered the state of Utah.. look where we are at today.

Re:why are people... (3, Insightful)

masterzora (871343) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205573)

Yeah, now I can travel on that Greyhound bus next weekend without me having to worry about some idiot smoking and triggering my asthma. This bill may be total crap, but it's good to know that I have to thank Utah for something now.

Re:why are people... (0, Troll)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205701)

Maybe it's safer for you to just stay at home bubble boy.

Re:why are people... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204041)

To be fair, Republicans also listen to Rush Limbaugh. Whom do you think is a more crazy choice for them to listen?

Re:why are people... (2, Funny)

HiVizDiver (640486) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204397)

To be fair, Republicans also listen to Rush Limbaugh. Whom do you think is a more crazy choice for them to listen?

I honestly don't know that there is a correct answer to this question.

Re:why are people... (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204073)

This bill has been worked on for a while, starting well before he was disbarred.

Jack Thompson (5, Funny)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203447)

Didn't Jack Thompson die?

Re:Jack Thompson (5, Informative)

FroBugg (24957) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203631)

He was disbarred, which is sort of like dying for a lawyer. But he's still out there, sort of an undead lawyer now.

Re:Jack Thompson (5, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203911)

I always thought that you need to give up your soul and become undead to pass the bar.

Being disbarred is kind of like being rejected by Satan...

Note: IANAL :-0

Re:Jack Thompson (1, Flamebait)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203941)

He was disbarred, which is sort of like dying for a lawyer. But he's still out there, sort of an undead lawyer now.

Oops. I guess that copy of Dead Rising I sent him was in poor taste.

Brainzzz (2, Funny)

stox (131684) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204013)

As a zombie, he must be starving in Utah.

Re:Jack Thompson (5, Funny)

Gerzel (240421) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204045)

Undead Lawyer == Politician?

Re:Jack Thompson (5, Funny)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205185)

Undead Lawyer == Politician?

No worse, lobbyest, you can vote out politicians.

Re:Jack Thompson (4, Funny)

beav007 (746004) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204367)

He was disbarred, which is sort of like dying for a lawyer. But he's still out there, sort of an undead lawyer now.

He still might be able to get a job with Morcombe, Slant and Honeyplace...

Re:Jack Thompson (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27205811)

F*#k Utah and their idiotic stupid laws. Who the F*#k is Utah anyway? Some stupid little state where a bunch of stone-age Mormons are trying to change the world. Why does ./ talk about Utah so much. Can't we just ignore anything about Utah. Please.

Jack Thompson is not dead yet :( (3, Informative)

iYk6 (1425255) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203725)

Unfortunately, no. You are probably thinking of Jack Valenti, who died in 2007.

"Death of Anti-Gaming crusader blamed on Games" (2, Funny)

Doug52392 (1094585) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204543)

Jack Thompson must be alive, because I don't remember seeing anything on CNN about an anti-gaming crusader's death being blamed on video games, nor do I remember any recent Congressional hearings investigating weather or not Thompson's death was inspired by the Grand Theft Auto: IV mission where the player must kill an anti-gaming self-proclaimed "moral crusader" attorney, who states, just before the player must kill the man, that "Guns don't kill people. Video games do."

Re:Jack Thompson (2, Funny)

kitsunewarlock (971818) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205267)

Only medically and in areas in which "your heart stops beating" is considered "dead".

Re:Jack Thompson (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205819)

What heart?

Or is a stone as black as the pixel(s?) in Doom 3, and made of pure evil, now inside the definition for "heart" in Utah?

Wow.... legislators in Utah (2, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203451)

must be required to at least pass the 3rd grade?

Even if one video game player killed a cop, that doesn't begin to make things equal to cops who kill with tasers, or cops who accidentally kill innocent civilians because they are too fucking ignorant to make sure they are doing the no-knock raid on the right house.

More fairness in legislation! Yes, the Utah legislators are right on the money for this one. God forbid terrorist game players ever leave the grip of their game consoles.... fucking idiots

Re:Wow.... legislators in Utah (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203803)

This is no different than the war waged by the religious fanatics (and yes, folks, Utah is filled with them) against fantasy roleplaying games. They latched on to something of an urban myth surrounding James Dallas Egbert III [wikipedia.org] . Religious fanaticism, ignorance and intense dishonesty go hand in hand with these types.

Re:Wow.... legislators in Utah (4, Funny)

British (51765) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204217)

How is some disillusioned kid thinking D&D is real any different than thinking someone can be crucified, rise from the dead & turn water into wine?

Re:Wow.... legislators in Utah (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204391)

...someone can be crucified, rise from the dead & turn water into wine?

Wait, what does David Blaine have to do with any of this?

Re:Wow.... legislators in Utah (4, Interesting)

nabsltd (1313397) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205599)

They latched on to something of an urban myth surrounding James Dallas Egbert III [wikipedia.org] .

Egbert was pretty messed up long before fantasy roleplaying came along.

Like many gamers, he was a very smart kid (he graduated high school at 14 or 15), and he really just wasn't ready for the real world. He was two years older than me, but 3-4 grades in front of me, so I didn't know him personally, but my parents knew his parents moderately well.

The stories in the papers were pretty sensationalistic, because at the time, D&D was just really catching on, and (like you said) a lot of people wanted some ammo against it. Anybody who did any research would have known that he had been on thin ice for a long time, but nobody dug deeper and the lie the investigator told stood for years. Despite his book, nobody remembers the real story.

Re:Wow.... legislators in Utah (1)

AlexBirch (1137019) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205041)

Yes, the Utah legislators are right on the money for this one. God forbid terrorist game players ever leave the grip of their game consoles.... fucking idiots
I'm not fan of the Utah legislators, but where's the money to ban games?
Seems like all the money would be from the game companies.

Re:Wow.... legislators in Utah (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205431)

What good is posting this here going to do? You're preaching to the choir. We all know that this is stupid; we also know that JT is a jackass. That doesn't stop the rest of the world from listening to and believing him; and it doesn't stop legislators from being clueless. (Along with the vast majority of people who find such notions credible)

If you want to do something about it, set about educating your elected representatives (assuming you're in the US...). That's the only thing that can make a difference.

Re:Wow.... legislators in Utah (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 5 years ago | (#27206003)

You don't like cops much do you?

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1157399&cid=27166995 [slashdot.org]

Isn't the point of the M rating that kids don't buy these titles anyways?

This is just a repetitive law. Just like the hate crime laws passed to make hate crimes murder more illegal than regular murder. Or added laws about selling and distributing alcohol / tobacco to minors.

Re:Wow.... legislators in Utah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27206209)

Even if one video game player killed a cop, that doesn't begin to make things equal to cops who kill with tasers, or cops who accidentally kill innocent civilians because they are too fucking ignorant to make sure they are doing the no-knock raid on the right house.

The problem is clearly that the cops are playing violent video games, too.

The gist (5, Insightful)

Shin-LaC (1333529) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203537)

From skimming a selection of the linked sources, the gist is that they're using a false advertising angle: if a retailer says "we won't sell M-rated games to children" (like most do), and then sells them anyway, they will be fined; however, if a retailer makes no such claim, they'll be unaffected. So the safest choice for a retailer is to simply drop their voluntary policy not to sell M-rated games to minors, to avoid liability in case they ever make a mistake.

Re:The gist (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27203619)

From skimming a selection of this post: Ass covering is the best policy.

Re:The gist (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27203633)

From skimming a selection of this post: Ass.

Re:The gist (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27203805)

From skimming a selection of this post:

Re:The gist (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27203935)

Null reference exception.

Re:The gist (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204443)

       

GTA prevents cop kills (4, Interesting)

bugi (8479) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203545)

Only three GTA players have killed cops? GTA must make people less likely to kill cops. After all, think of all the killing of cops not associated with GTA players.

Hmm, perhaps an occasional game of fake-blow-shit-up would make disaffected youths less likely to really-blow-shit-up? It is all about the kids, right?

Re:GTA prevents cop kills (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204255)

Rape statistics have nosedived since the beginning of Intarwebs, so it only stands to reason..

Re:GTA prevents cop kills (4, Insightful)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204551)

Ah, but what if those 3 players would not have otherwise killed cops?

Catharsis is a myth; no research supports it. All we've ever learned from psychology research about violence is that it is largely a learned behavior. Kids will learn it mainly from family and friends but they also learn violence from strangers, TV, movies, music, and games. Now, violent media may not explain a lot of the variance in violent behaviors but it is completely naive to say that it does not have an affect. There are some people who can drink alcohol and never become alcoholic; there are others who try alcohol once and become alcoholic very quickly. It's the same with violence. Just because violent games may not generally lead to increased rates of violence in a society, does not mean that they don't for some people.

I'm not calling for a censorship of violent games. I'm not even sure I like this legislation (I'd have to read the full bill to form a good opinion) and I'm certainly not in favor of a government doing the parenting that parents should do but kids don't need to be playing some of the games that they play.

Re:GTA prevents cop kills (1)

bugi (8479) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204675)

That's a slippery slope you're on (but kudos for all the qualifiers). Do I have this correct? Is the argument that because *some* people are inherently prone to addiction to X, nobody should have access to X? We (USians) tried that with alcohol and we're trying it with "drugs" -- now we're going into the same pit with games? Better be careful or that game of Operation might turn your kid into a sadist.

Regarding those three, by your argument they would've killed somebody anyway. At least cops go in with eyes wide and take precautions. It's part of their job to risk their lives for the rest of us.

Re:GTA prevents cop kills (1, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 5 years ago | (#27206013)

Violence is a learned behavior? I cant think of a more natural action then violence. Really irritates me when people forget that humans are still animals, driven by the same urges as animals, with only sentience to quell it. When one animal kills another we ascribe no malice to it, but when a human does it all of a sudden its a crime against god....

I heard a different story (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27203549)

They passed goatse [goatse.fr] with flying colors.

FAILZOrS (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27203551)

project faces a set who are intersted a8d Reports and it there. Bring

Friggin' Utah. (5, Interesting)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203561)

You couldn't pay me to live there. The funny thing is that I know some Mormons who feel the same way. I guess Utah Mormon is a bit of a different breed than Mormons from almost everywhere else. It must be the effect of any one group having a majority. They get to be assholes.

Re:Friggin' Utah. (-1, Troll)

arekusu_ou (1344373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203621)

Obviously you forget the benefits of hooking up with young girls with the blessing of the parents to further their religious goals. Oh and multiple girls at that.

Re:Friggin' Utah. (1)

MacColossus (932054) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203905)

Pedophile.

Re:Friggin' Utah. (5, Funny)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204021)

Meh, only in southern Utah.

Then again, there be lotsa slutty Mormon girls who will do everything but vag...

Re:Friggin' Utah. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27205153)

Here here! 3 out of 6 girls in my graduating class were Mormon.

Re:Friggin' Utah. (3, Insightful)

Temujin_12 (832986) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204513)

I guess Utah Mormon is a bit of a different breed than Mormons from almost everywhere else. It must be the effect of any one group having a majority.

Interesting you should say that. As a Mormon who was born and raised in the Seattle area, spent 4 years living in Utah while going to school, and who has since moved back to the Seattle area to start my career, I have some of the same feelings.

Just yesterday I was in the car with a good friend (also a Mormon who has lived in and out of Utah) and we came the similar conclusion that whenever you have a group that homogeneous, it is human tendency for certain "quirks" to emerge which do not necessarily reflect the identity of the group abroad. You could expect some of the same culturalisms to emerge (some good, some bad) for any other homogenous group.

That said, I do differ from you in that I could see myself living there (though you would have to pay me to leave Seattle). After living there for a year or two, you learn to ignore the parts of the culture you don't like and embrace the ones that you do.

Re:Friggin' Utah. (1)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204621)

"I guess Utah Mormon is a bit of a different breed than Mormons from almost everywhere else."

Being Mormon, growing up outside of Utah, and having lived in 4 different states, including Utah, I can't wait until I can move back to Utah. Utah Mormons are no different than Mormons elsewhere - there are just more Mormons per capita so you end up with a few bad seeds, just like you do in every group of people. I've never met nicer people than I have in Utah.

Utah certainly isn't for everyone, although the Salt Lake valley is now less than 50% Mormon; there are 49 other states and many other countries for you to choose to live in! Yay for choices. :)

Re:Friggin' Utah. (3, Insightful)

AhtirTano (638534) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205209)

Are you joking? The ridiculous nature of Utah Mormons has been known for decades. My parents, both born and raised Mormon from parents who were also born and raised Mormon, left Utah, precisely because they did not want their children raised around Utah Mormons. That was over 30 years ago, and nothing has changed on that front. While I have met some great people in Utah, nowhere have I met more hypocrites and Holier-Than-Thou @&#%$%@s.

Good use of public money (4, Insightful)

arekusu_ou (1344373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203591)

I love how state after state try to pass this exact same bad law, only to have it shot down in the courts and they have to pay legal fines.
Great to know they're doing something productive.

Re:Good use of public money (2, Insightful)

CrashPoint (564165) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205093)

While this law is thoroughly stupid, it isn't the same one that keeps getting shot down by the courts. The previous batch tried to outright forbid the sale of violent games to minors; this one only provides for penalties when you make such a sale when you publicly claim not to.

This, of course, only means that it's toothless as well as being unconstitutional.

Training programs? (4, Insightful)

Dogun (7502) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203595)

'Training programs' sound like a money-maker for the videogame censorship movement.

Re:Training programs? (1)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203637)

So does 'stiffen penalties'.

Come Again? (1)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203651)

Utah Senate, House Pass Jack Thompson's Game Sales Bill

Oddly, on its trip through the state legislature, amendments rendered it largely ineffective...

So why do you still complain? They added amendments that make the things you fear not happen. I understand that you don't like Utah, but stop making stuff up just to bash them.

Re:Come Again? (2, Insightful)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203899)

So passing a ridiculous bill but adding amendments to make it ineffective in addition to being ridiculous is a good thing? Good job Utah

Re:Come Again? (1)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204017)

No. Whoever wrote the summary believes that bills are only effective if he/she doesn't like the outcome (since the government is always out to get us!). Now that it has no negative consequences for the author, he/she says it's "ineffective," while that just isn't the case.

Re:Come Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204059)

Okay, then the ball's in your court. From what point of view is this law effective?

Re:Come Again? (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204115)

Okay, then the ball's in your court. From what point of view is this law effective?

Jack Thompson. He'll use this to get PR millage and rail against his critics.

Re:Come Again? (2, Insightful)

Walpurgiss (723989) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204207)

It effectively makes it likely that retailers will completely stop advertising or using ESRB ratings, since it is the least costly way to ensure they never run afoul of the new legislation.

Then the people ragging against video games can point out that retailers don't even follow the ESRB ratings, and claim that the self-regulation clearly is not working, and try to get even more harsh, government backed regulations in place to fully replace the ESRB.

As far as the bills official intent, it seems pretty fail. But it has potential to encourage, and perhaps even achieve, the bills proponents' eventual goals.

Re:Come Again? (4, Insightful)

dosun88888 (265953) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204361)

The fact that a law is unenforceable doesn't mean that it should be there on the books just for shits and giggles.

Re:Come Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27205161)

Whoever wrote the summary believes that bills are only effective if he/she doesn't like the outcome (since the government is always out to get us!)

Straw man arguments are lies.

Re:Come Again? (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204177)

I'd like to pass a law permitting transcendental numbers to cross the border. You'd get so many interesting riders...

Re:Come Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27205229)

Transcendental numbers are a bad idea. I'll only support the bill if you're only letting them leave the state.

Re:Come Again? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27203957)

New Bill:
Breathing bad.

Amendment:
LOL j/k, breathing is okey-dokey.

Man hours spent drafting: 10,000-15,000

Because that's what this is boiling down to, and you were just dumb enough to admit that you're perfectly fine with it on the intarwebs for all to see. Seriously, you're JUST FINE with how much time was wasted on this in lieu of, well, everything else?

Straw man? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204019)

stop making stuff up just to bash them.

I'm pretty sure that's all your post does. Where does the article summary "complain," or "bash" Utah?

Meh (0, Troll)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203701)

Forget about throwing 'Jack Thompson's name on this. It simply applies the same standard to 'adult' rated games as it does for all other media that's on sale.

What the bill is saying is that if a minor wants to buy an 'adult' rated game, they will have to go one step further than simply walking into a shop and buying it. Were I a parent, I wouldn't mind that the child would have to ask me to buy it for him rather than him having access to it directly himself.

Re:Meh (1)

eldepeche (854916) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204259)

I'm pretty sure a movie theater isn't legally liable if they let a 16-year-old into an R-rated movie, so this law would go above and beyond the protection that the ratings provide for other media.

Amendment 1 (0, Offtopic)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203731)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Re:Amendment 1 (-1, Troll)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203787)

"Score 1, Offtopic." As usual: the stupid, it burns.

Re:Amendment 1 (2, Insightful)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204077)

Your post was off topic. There is no First Amendment issue here.

Re:Amendment 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204125)

Funny. I thought this comment was right on, until I realized it was written by the author of the original post about the moderators (who knew the first amendment doesn't apply here)...

Re:Amendment 1 (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204613)

I'll be interested in hearing why the First Amendment suddenly does not apply to regulation of the press in Utah.

Re:Amendment 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27205183)

While I do not agree with the bill, no game publisher's free speech is being restricted, no game company is being prosecuted by the government for the content of the games. The games are still able to be sold, and while not as damaging as cigarettes, alcohol, guns (yes, in most states you have to be 18 to jump through the hoops solo to get a gun), or porn, an average, voting citizen's access to the games are not restricted and the game company has not been silenced.

Re:Amendment 1 (2, Interesting)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205273)

While I do not agree with the bill, no game publisher's free speech is being restricted, no game company is being prosecuted by the government for the content of the games. The games are still able to be sold, and while not as damaging as cigarettes, alcohol, guns (yes, in most states you have to be 18 to jump through the hoops solo to get a gun), or porn, an average, voting citizen's access to the games are not restricted and the game company has not been silenced.

First Amendment law requires strict scrutiny. That means the government must, when regulating sales or distribution of material covered by the First Amendment, demonstrate that its proposed law has the minimum necessary effects required to accomplish its goals. Since the goal (regulating commercial press activity) is unconstitutional to begin with, there's no way the law can meet strict scrutiny.

Seriously. Why do you think that, out of dozens of attempts to pass laws like this in various states, absolutely none of them have survived court challenges?

A further question. The First Amendment puts a free press on an equal footing with the free exercise of religion. What do you think might happen if the Utah legislature attempted to dictate the terms under which Mormon literature and religious items could be sold?

Revenge! (4, Interesting)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203827)

Picture the sales clerk saying OK kid! You must first misrepresent your age before I am allowed to sell you this game!

Re: Revenge! (3, Funny)

russotto (537200) | more than 5 years ago | (#27203999)

Picture the sales clerk saying OK kid! You must first misrepresent your age before I am allowed to sell you this game!

Bart: One "Itchy And Scratchy At It It Again", please.

Big Tony: How old are you, kid? Keepin' in mind, of course, that I can legally sell you this game unless you are over 18. Think hard before you answer.

Bart: (thinking) uummm, 23?

Big Tony: Here you go, and have a nice day.

(no I don't know why Big Tony would be selling the game)

when can we show donkey porn in prime time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204011)

im sick of the government censorship. i want to see raw, hard core donkey cock on my TV at 5pm, without judgement or interference from nanny dearest and big brother.

murdering prostitutes in GTA is a good start, but im not really into that sick stuff. im into good old fashioned asiniphilia.

Madness? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204053)

This. Is. Utaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

The biggest threat to digital freedom is Utah (1)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204139)

First Utah gives us Orrin Hatch and the DMCA. Then see attempts to regulate keywords [slashdot.org] . Now this?

Utah, could you just leave the union and maybe we can replace your star with American Samoa?

Re:The biggest threat to digital freedom is Utah (0, Flamebait)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204211)

I'd even settle for guam or puerto rico.

Seriously though I don't have a problem penalizing salesmen of M-Rated games to minors. That being said, I have a huge problem with anything Jack Thompson writes or proposes.

I also have a huge problem with Utah. The whole state is lost. They don't deserve the protections of the constitution while they drag their fake religion into the statehouse.

Re:The biggest threat to digital freedom is Utah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204365)

Utah, could you just leave the union and maybe we can replace your star with American Samoa?

Oh please. What happened the LAST time a state tried to leave the unio.... oh wait, I get it.

They should also make oxygen against the law (1)

Kilz (741999) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204201)

The fact that 3 people who have killed police officers played violent video games results in this law? How about this.

All cop killers have breathed oxygen.
Therefore use of oxygen may lead to killing cops.
So they should outlaw breathing oxygen,

Starting in the Utah state house and senate.

Im sure that it will be much more effective in stopping crime. :)

Re:They should also make oxygen against the law (2, Funny)

jd (1658) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204423)

If symptoms of a lack of oxygen are taken to include brain death, there is ample evidence they banned oxygen some considerable time ago.

No, Congress MUST ban this deadly chemical, DHMO! (4, Funny)

Doug52392 (1094585) | more than 5 years ago | (#27204431)

The US has banned numerous chemicals due to their deadly effects, but one chemical is in EVERY PERSON'S HOME! It's called Dihydrogen Monoxide, and it poses a substantial threat to everyone!

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
  • Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
  • Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
  • Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
  • DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
  • Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
  • Contributes to soil erosion.
  • Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
  • Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
  • Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
  • Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
  • Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
  • Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
  • Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

Not to mention the fact that DHMO can be connected to almost EVERY murder in the United States! All those people dead because someone was allowing this compound into his or her body.

Just look at some of the uses this deadly chemical is used for:

  • as an industrial solvent and coolant,
  • in nuclear power plants,
  • by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels,
  • by elite athletes to improve performance,
  • in the production of Styrofoam,
  • in biological and chemical weapons manufacture,
  • in the development of genetically engineering crops and animals,
  • as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant,
  • in so-called "family planning" or "reproductive health" clinics,
  • as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs,
  • as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air conditioning compressor operation,
  • in cult rituals,
  • by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members' families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted DHMO.org to vehemently deny such use),
  • by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches,
  • by members of Congress who are under investigation for financial corruption and inappropriate IM behavior,
  • by the clientele at a number of bath houses in New York City and San Francisco,
  • historically, in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran,
  • in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for various forms of torture,
  • during many recent religious and ethnic wars in the Middle East,
  • by many terrorist organizations including al Quaeda,
  • in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance,
  • in day care centers, purportedly for sanitary purposes,
  • by software engineers, including those producing DICOM programmer APIs and other DICOM software tools,
  • by popular computer science professors,
  • by the semi-divine King Bhumibol of Thailand and his many devoted young working girls in Bangkok,
  • in animal research laboratories, and
  • in pesticide production and distribution.
  • in violent crime

DHMO is a substantial threat to society, and it must be outlawed! Surely, how can we allow this chemical, which can be linked to thousands of deaths annually, continue to run rampart in our country? WE CAN'T! Think about the children!!!

mo3 up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27204421)

corpse turned over Approximately 90% join in. It can be Us3r. 'Now that can no longer be worthwhile. It's

WTF - One question (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205013)

What kind of moron would allow legislation proposed by a possible psychotic who's ethics and actions are so out of bounds that he's been permanently disbarred from the profession of lawyer?!?!

This question leaves itself open to some interesting answers...

Re:WTF - One question (1)

Myrimos (1495513) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205843)

You might be unacquainted with our country, good sir. Let me put something into perspective.

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. -- H. L. Mencken

...I hate utah (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27205101)

I am only for seperating one state from the United States -- Utah.
If Utah weren't in the U.S, Bush would not have been elected in 2000.

I visited Utah and got arrested because my dice hanging from my mirror look like balls.
1 day sentence.
When I got out, I got arrested because when I took off my coat, the police saw that my shirt spells "ASS" if you read the first letters of the sentences.
5 day sentence.

Then, I winked at a pretty girl, in her 20s.

45 year sentence.

I love the irony (0, Flamebait)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205167)

People on /. were laughing at this guy for getting disbarred and saying he's done but it turns out that Old Jack is pulling some strings at the political level and /. c.s. are still powerless to do anything.

Good... (1)

kitsunewarlock (971818) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205179)

Hopefully the ESRB will lose its power in the industry and games will be able to flourish as movies did prior to their censorship by the MPAA. Putting a "18+" sticker on a game should be the responsibility of the game designers. Knowing if the game is appropriate for their children or not is a responsibility of the parent. Refusing to stock games with an 18+ sticker as a major retailer, however, only limits the already pretty limited (by technology and marketing) creative potential of game developers.

Explaining to your child why an adult game or movie or program isn't for him or her is surprisingly easy to. "Its not that these games will hurt you or control you or that your not smart enough to understand the material within these games. Its simply that they weren't designed for you. Like watching C-SPAN or the history channel or reading a book on Nietzche instead of a comic book. If you want to play these games, watch some adult television and read some of these books first. Your not missing out on anything."

9 times out of 10, that's the truth too. Honestly, I've enjoyed many "childrens" games just as much as "adult" games. Putting sexual, violent or otherwise inappropriate content into your game doesn't make it a better or worse game. Saying it does it like claiming science fiction settings are better than fantasy settings for roleplaying games...

Agreed (1)

Rob Simpson (533360) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205685)

I preferred the RSAC [nwsource.com] system, which actually required some thought.

You're fighting the wrong battle (1)

swilde23 (874551) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205337)

I don't understand the uproar over the fact that someone is attempting to enforce the restraints suggested by the ESRB. I suppose you might actually be upset that they are wasting tax dollars... but if that is the case, then say so. (The article seems to notice this, I'm just referring to the replies that I have read so far)

If you have a problem with the idea that a game rated "Mature" might only be appropriate for someone "mature", then consider what the article actually says. The Utah legislature didn't make that call, they are just trying to enforce it.

rtfa?

Utah... The land of "special underwear" (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205471)

Its Utah what do you expect? They wear special underwear to protect them from the world and remain in touch with "god"

Jack Thompson fits right in with those crazy fucks.

It's Utah... (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 5 years ago | (#27205657)

... what do you expect? Rationality?

Re:It's Utah... (1)

Hybrid-brain (1478551) | more than 5 years ago | (#27206169)

in a state filled with Mormons? aha.

Entire Text of Bill (4 lines) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27206027)

HB0353 Text [utah.gov] , this bill adds lines 82-85.

13-11a-3. Deceptive trade practices enumerated

83 (u) (i) advertises that the person will not sell a good or service labeled with an age
84 restriction or recommendation to a person under the age restriction or recommendation; and
85 (ii) sells that good or service to a person under the age restriction or recommendation.

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